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We've seen the likes of Wolverine and Cyclops take down Sentinals individually, but does the dark knight have what it takes?

He's equipped with nothing but his utility belt. Does this human stand a chance?

F no

Now this is funny

naaa....he needs his prep

He has as much a chance as a ant beating a man.

Originally posted by diabloman
F no

Batman stands about as much chance as I do against Lennox Lewis, Muhamud Ali and Mike Tyson (At the same time)

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
We've seen the likes of Wolverine and Cyclops take down Sentinals individually, but does the dark knight have what it takes?

He's equipped with nothing but his utility belt. Does this human stand a chance? YEah he can improvise by using his environment.

Bat Kick. batman

Originally posted by General Kon-El
YEah he can improvise by using his environment.



I'll jump under that car....and get stomped on

I'll hide in that tree ....and get caught by the infrared detectors

I'll use that lamppost as a pole to swing myself off of and....oh the bastard just stepped on it......shit.

Bats has great resources. The Sentinel will be confused facing a non-powered being; I think he has a shot.

Originally posted by grey fox
Batman stands about as much chance as I do against Lennox Lewis, Muhamud Ali and Mike Tyson (At the same time) you and tyson gonna have a biting contest ? all my bets are on you

Originally posted by General Kon-El
YEah he can improvise by using his environment.

Unless the fight takes place in an Army munitions depot, Bats isn't using his environment to win.

Ok so let's review then boy's and girls

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
We've seen the likes of Wolverine and Cyclops take down Sentinals individually, but does the dark knight have what it takes?

He's equipped with nothing but his utility belt. Does this human stand a chance?

Unless batman has some powerful explosives hidden in that belt then he's pretty much screwed.

Originally posted by General Kon-El
YEah he can improvise by using his environment.

I believe these answer that question

Originally posted by grey fox


I'll jump under that car....and get stomped on

I'll hide in that tree ....and get caught by the infrared detectors

I'll use that lamppost as a pole to swing myself off of and....oh the bastard just stepped on it......shit.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Unless the fight takes place in an Army munitions depot, Bats isn't using his environment to win.

Thats that question answered.

Originally posted by roughrider
Bats has great resources. The Sentinel will be confused facing a non-powered being; I think he has a shot.

Non powered is even better, HUMAN reaction times and HUMAN durability . A single hand blast takes out the 'Dark Knight' once and for all.

Praise the proverbial god for the greatest weapon of all: Batman's very own definition of PREPTIME.

That's easy; just use concussion grenades. If you look at the long perennial list of people who have defeated sentinels: which is like, everybody in Marvel, then Sentinels really aren't that impressive. Seriously, they get downed by the suckiest people. Anybody on the X-Men or JLA Roster could take down a few sentinels.

He should win cos the sentinels only target mutants. It will stand around ignoring him whilst he painstakingly takes its head apart after a few hours of really hard work.

Assuming its programmed to fight him, Bats dies within a few seconds.............

Well, Bats can take down a OMAC and an OMAC pwns a sentinel.

But the size is his main disadvantage

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
That's easy; just use concussion grenades. If you look at the long perennial list of people who have defeated sentinels: which is like, everybody in Marvel, then Sentinels really aren't that impressive. Seriously, they get downed by the suckiest people. Anybody on the X-Men or JLA Roster could take down a few sentinels.

Something tells me that if the Sentinels were designed to hunt down and defeat mutants in battle then they should be able to take a concussion grenade without much trouble. Besides Batman wouldn't be familiar with the Sentinels design so he would not know any of their weak spots.


Here is all I could find about the different types:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3691/sentinel7lp.th.jpg
http://www.mutanthigh.com/tech/sentinels.html

A Sentinal is just like any other giant.....the bigger they are the bigger they fall.

Yes, Batman does occasionally carry explosive devices in his belt. He sticks one of those in a sentinel's leg he takes him down. From what I know a flash bomb would also scramble a Sentinel's functions. Didn't Jubillee once took out a sentinel just by using her sparkling lights? pfft!

What version of the sentinal are we speaking of because that will determine if Batman has 5 minutes or 1 minute left to live.

Originally posted by badabing
Bat Kick. batman
True that ^

Originally posted by TheKahn
Something tells me that if the Sentinels were designed to hunt down and defeat mutants in battle then they should be able to take a concussion grenade without much trouble. Besides Batman wouldn't be familiar with the Sentinels design so he would not know any of their weak spots.


Here is all I could find about the different types:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3691/sentinel7lp.th.jpg
http://www.mutanthigh.com/tech/sentinels.html


Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.

Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.

Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.

Hey i dislike the movie.....

bat kick>ultimate nullifier

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.

Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash. Dude, I love Batman. He is one of my favorite characters . I have many, MANY Batman comics . its just I look at some of these threads realistically. For all Batman has done, he is still a man. When I see people put him against Spiderman , Hulk etc
Its no different than making Cap fight Superman or WW.

As far as the Superman movie goes. I like the show smallville and I think the dude that plays clark is pretty good, but that guy in the Superman returns trailor looks like a herb.

and the only reason I dont mension movies like the Hulk, Electra, or the punisher is there not even worthy of mentioning. When have I spoken bad against Flash? All I said was he has a terrible rogues gallery and its true. Come on , an eskimo and a gorilla. This dude travels over the speed of light, you'd think he would have better villians,

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.

Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.

That's because every member of the X-Men have spent hours upon hours learning and practicing exactly how to take down a Sentinel (ie learning where the vulnerable areas are and how to attack them) . Makes sense as they do hunt mutants after all.

For example:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3008/blast27tq.th.jpg

Notice in this picture that Wolverine knows exactly where on the Sentinel he needs to attack to stop it (its mainframe) and, apparently, Scott is familiar enough with that method for damaging a Sentinel that he realizes that this method would take too long for the given situation.

Batman, on the other hand, would have no such familiarity and he could very well waste what explosives he has in attacking either a well armored section or one that is unimportant. What I mean is that while weak points do exists Batman, unlike the X-Men who train constantly to be able to defeat the Sentinels, would not know where they are or how to best attack them.

Now give Bats some blue prints and a little time to study them and he'd at least have a shot but in a straight up fight with the level of familiarity that the "basic knowledge" clause of this forum allows, I can't possibly see how Batman could beat a Sentinel.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
and the only reason I dont mension movies like the Hulk, Electra, or the punisher is there not even worthy of mentioning.

Hey , the Punisher was ok.....

I did not like the Punisher because he had no real conflict. With movies like Superman, X-men, and Spiderman the villian had the upper edge. It was like Frank has is family killed, so he wins without conflict.

How bad was that scene when he fought the dude with the guitar or kevin nash.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I did not like the Punisher because he had no real conflict. With movies like Superman, X-men, and Spiderman the villian had the upper edge. It was like Frank has is family killed, so he wins without conflict.

How bad was that scene when he fought the dude with the guitar or kevin nash.

I thought it was funny.

"What kind of dumb son of a ***** brings a knife to a gun fight"

*WHIP*

"Grugghghgh"

Originally posted by TheKahn
That's because every member of the X-Men have spent hours upon hours learning and practicing exactly how to take down a Sentinel (ie learning where the vulnerable areas are and how to attack them) . Makes sense as they do hunt mutants after all.

For example:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3008/blast27tq.th.jpg

Notice in this picture that Wolverine knows exactly where on the Sentinel he needs to attack to stop it (its mainframe) and, apparently, Scott is familiar enough with that method for damaging a Sentinel that he realizes that this method would take too long for the given situation.

Batman, on the other hand, would have no such familiarity and he could very well waste what explosives he has in attacking either a well armored section or one that is unimportant. What I mean is that while weak points do exists Batman, unlike the X-Men who train constantly to be able to defeat the Sentinels, would not know where they are or how to best attack them.

Now give Bats some blue prints and a little time to study them and he'd at least have a shot but in a straight up fight with the level of familiarity that the "basic knowledge" clause of this forum allows, I can't possibly see how Batman could beat a Sentinel.


Didn't you tell me that forum rules dictate that people in versus threads know a little bit about the other opponent? So that would mean all Bats has to do is analyze things with the computer in his cowl and his radiological clock and pinpoint all the schematics of the Sentinel with a single command? Hell, he's done stuff like that with his helmet interface before, and seeing as how he's such a genius, he'd probably figure out where to bop the Sentinel anyway. And your training thing is off, because people who haven't gone through training, like Jubilee and Spiderman have taken down Sentinels without knowing anything about them.

Does Batman have the Batmobile for this fight?

batman R.I.P

No, they said he has no tech or weapons

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Didn't you tell me that forum rules dictate that people in versus threads know a little bit about the other opponent? So that would mean all Bats has to do is analyze things with the computer in his cowl and his radiological clock and pinpoint all the schematics of the Sentinel with a single command? Hell, he's done stuff like that with his helmet interface before, and seeing as how he's such a genius, he'd probably figure out where to bop the Sentinel anyway. And your training thing is off, because people who haven't gone through training, like Jubilee and Spiderman have taken down Sentinels without knowing anything about them.

Here is a link to the forum rules in case you haven't read them yourself yet.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

To point, Batman would know what the average person in the Marvel universe knows about them which, I imagine, is little more than that they are giant robots that hunt mutants. Of course your theory depends on several factors all going in Batman's direction such as the Sentinel's have no shielding to protect them against such scanning, that Batman actually lives long enough to conduct such a scan and the subsequent attack which I find unlikely as he is facing a weapon designed to attack and kill beings with superpowers (ie super strength, speed, durability, ect) and he has only peak-human physical abilities, and finally that the explosives that Batman carries are powerful enough to even dent a Sentinel's armor.

Also Jubilee and Spiderman had both the advantages of superpowers and not fighting in an arena type environment.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Here is a link to the forum rules in case you haven't read them yourself yet.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

To point, Batman would know what the average person in the Marvel universe knows about them which, I imagine, is little more than that they are giant robots that hunt mutants. Of course your theory depends on several factors all going in Batman's direction such as the Sentinel's have no shielding to protect them against such scanning, that Batman actually lives long enough to conduct such a scan and the subsequent attack which I find unlikely as he is facing a weapon designed to attack and kill beings with superpowers (ie super strength, speed, durability, ect) and he has only peak-human physical abilities, and finally that the explosives that Batman carries are powerful enough to even dent a Sentinel's armor.

Also Jubilee and Spiderman had both the advantages of superpowers and not fighting in an arena type environment.


I know for fact that they have no such protection for scanning because Iron Man has done it and X-Men jets have done it. Batman will live long enough because Sentinels have lots of trouble dealing with mutants that are agile. They've always had trouble with people like Beast or Wolverine. In fact, the Sentinels in Ultimate X-Men completely suck, Beast, Storm, Iceman, Cyclops, and Colossus took Sentinels on in a seemingly 3 to 1 ratio. Bottom line, Sentinels aren't going to get someone like Batman. Those weapons you talk about are also very poorly designed because they have trouble hitting their targets. And of course explosives that Batman carry are powerful enough to dent it. I'm willing to bet those concussion grenades are a lot more powerful than some exploding cards.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
I know for fact that they have no such protection for scanning because Iron Man has done it and X-Men jets have done it.

Or that could mean that the X-Men and Iron Man know how to get though the shielding.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

Batman will live long enough because Sentinels have lots of trouble dealing with mutants that are agile. They've always had trouble with people like Beast or Wolverine.


Too bad Batman doesn't have superhuman agility like Beast or Wolverine.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

In fact, the Sentinels in Ultimate X-Men completely suck, Beast, Storm, Iceman, Cyclops, and Colossus took Sentinels on in a seemingly 3 to 1 ratio.

This, from what I can tell from the thread-starter's post, is a 616 Sentinel so bringing up the Ultimate Sentinels is pointless as their feats do no apply.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

Bottom line, Sentinels aren't going to get someone like Batman. Those weapons you talk about are also very poorly designed because they have trouble hitting their targets. And of course explosives that Batman carry are powerful enough to dent it. I'm willing to bet those concussion grenades are a lot more powerful than some exploding cards.

What is it about Batman that makes Batman invulnerable to all the Sentinel's attacks? They have hit or killed mutants who are/were faster, stronger, and more durable than Bruce Wayne. As for the exploding cards, I (iirc) Gambit has destroyed an entire building with a single card before. Their destructive ability depends on how much he charges them.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Or that could mean that the X-Men and Iron Man know how to get though the shielding.

There's enough to reason that Sentinels have no such shielding, because they've never shown to have any.




Too bad Batman doesn't have superhuman agility like Beast or Wolverine.

You're right, but he's still fast. Fast enough not to get hit.



This, from what I can tell from the thread-starter's post, is a 616 Sentinel so bringing up the Ultimate Sentinels is pointless as their feats do no apply.

Okay, I was just saying that Sentinels aren't as great as you make them out to be in comparison to Batman.



What is it about Batman that makes Batman invulnerable to all the Sentinel's attacks? They have hit or killed mutants who are/were faster, stronger, and more durable than Bruce Wayne.

Sure they have, but more often than not, they've been taken out by people that are exactly or near Batman's level. How many mutants have been killed in comparison to the number of Sentinels destroyed? I'm sure you could say that Sentinels don't have a great winning streak.

As for the exploding cards, I (iirc) Gambit has destroyed an entire building with a single card before. Their destructive ability depends on how much he charges them.

Okay, I'll give you that; I underestimated the power of the cards. But still, the energy that Gambit put into those cards couldn't have been a lot because those explosions look miniscule and weak compared to that building explosion. I think the concussion grenades are just as strong if not stronger than those cards he uses to take out Sentinels.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

There's enough to reason that Sentinels have no such shielding, because they've never shown to have any.
Fair point.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

You're right, but he's still fast. Fast enough not to get hit.
This is what I'm having a problem with. How can you say that? If they have hit faster characters before, then how can you claim that Batman is, seemingly without a doubt, able to avoid their attacks.


Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

Okay, I was just saying that Sentinels aren't as great as you make them out to be in comparison to Batman.
They are heavily armored weapon platforms that were designed to attack and kill beings with super powers. For example the link I posted earlier has a picture of an older Sentinel hitting Cannonball with liquid nitrogen and Cannonball is much faster then Batman. So I just can't see how it would be impossible for them to him Batman. Also how a human being with no prior experience fighting them can somehow defeat them with only a few explosives? All it has to do is fly 50 feet into the air and blast away at Batman until they hit him.

The Sentinel can easily fly out of Batman's range and take him out from a distance.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

Sure they have, but more often than not, they've been taken out by people that are exactly or near Batman's level. How many mutants have been killed in comparison to the number of Sentinels destroyed? I'm sure you could say that Sentinels don't have a great winning streak.
What? All of the X-men are well beyond "Batman's level" as they have superpowers. Now of course the number of casualties that the Sentinels inflict is limited (as nearly all villains are) because most companies are reluctant to kill off their characters. But a good look a the days of future past storylines or the recent 16 million mutant massacre on Genosha reveals just how formidable the Sentinels could be.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence


Okay, I'll give you that; I underestimated the power of the cards. But still, the energy that Gambit put into those cards couldn't have been a lot because those explosions look miniscule and weak compared to that building explosion. I think the concussion grenades are just as strong if not stronger than those cards he uses to take out Sentinels.

Remember that Gambit would have to limit the energy he puts into his cards when fighting with fellow X-Men as the resultant explosion could hurt them as well as the Sentinel. That being said a concussive grenade couldn't even punch through a thin plate of metal much less reinforced armor as it isn't an explosive. The "concussion" part of the grenade is just a sound wave of about 170-180 decibels that is meant to stun a human being. As Sentinels have taken Banshee's scream before, I doubt this is a great danger.

Now the Thermite Batman carries is explosive but given the impacts the Sentinel's armor has taken in the past, I highly doubt the few pounds (at most) Batman carries would be enough to damage it. And even if it was the Sentinel can easily fly into the air easily out of Batman's range.

Originally posted by TheKahn

This is what I'm having a problem with. How can you say that? If they have hit faster characters before, then how can you claim that Batman is, seemingly without a doubt, able to avoid their attacks.

Because surviving requires more than just speed. It requires cunningness and intelligence.



They are heavily armored weapon platforms that were designed to attack and kill beings with super powers. For example the link I posted earlier has a picture of an older Sentinel hitting Cannonball with liquid nitrogen and Cannonball is much faster then Batman. So I just can't see how it would be impossible for them to him Batman.

Cannonball, ah..this guy: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusfloorinCannonball.jpg

He's not that impressive. Batman is better than that, you forget that Batman trains, just like the X-Men, with better training.



Also how a human being with no prior experience fighting them can somehow defeat them with only a few explosives?

Once he reads their specs, he'll know where to fire the explosives. And what mutant HASN'T taken down a sentinel?



All it has to do is fly 50 feet into the air and blast away at Batman until they hit him.

And what if Batman grapnels himself onto the foot and throws the concussion grenades to destroy it?


The Sentinel can easily fly out of Batman's range and take him out from a distance.

Really? Because the Sentinel would be farther away. The reason Sentinels get so close is because the X-Men, Avengers, and Spidey dodge their beams easily when they're far off in the sky.


What? All of the X-men are well beyond "Batman's level" as they have superpowers.

Well that's open to dispute, superpowers don't equate to greatness.

Now of course the number of casualties that the Sentinels inflict is limited (as nearly all villains are) because most companies are reluctant to kill off their characters. But a good look a the days of future past storylines or the recent 16 million mutant massacre on Genosha reveals just how formidable the Sentinels could be.

How many "skilled" people have they managed to kill?

Remember that Gambit would have to limit the energy he puts into his cards when fighting with fellow X-Men as the resultant explosion could hurt them as well as the Sentinel. That being said a concussive grenade couldn't even punch through a thin plate of metal much less reinforced armor as it isn't an explosive.

The "concussion" part of the grenade is just a sound wave of about 170-180 decibels that is meant to stun a human being.

And it also is used for demolition.


As Sentinels have taken Banshee's scream before, I doubt this is a great danger.

Its not just a sound blast.


Now the Thermite Batman carries is explosive but given the impacts the Sentinel's armor has taken in the past, I highly doubt the few pounds (at most) Batman carries would be enough to damage it.


Look, I've read comics where Avenger members like Hawkeye can take them down with arrows, comics where Spidey webs their faces in and knocks them down with a dropkick, comics where even Beast can pull stuff of. They really aren't as great as you make them out to be.

And even if it was the Sentinel can easily fly into the air easily out of Batman's range.


I seriously doubt the Sentinel has a big enough conscience to realize, "I'm going to fly in the air," because they never do that against the countless fights I've seen them in. They're not that smart.

great debate! im leaning towards the sentinal now..about 10/10 or so.

interesting.

Originally posted by Madvillain
interesting. Very... very interesting.

bump.

Sentinel in a literal stomp.

The Bat-characters are known to carry small EMP devices. Nightwing and Batman have both used them.

I think Batman stands a chance. He packs some potent equipment in his utility belt, and with standard gear, holds his own against some very powerful people.

Originally posted by diabloman
batman R.I.P

Originally posted by Konton
Sentinel in a literal stomp.