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The JSA:
Hawkman
Cap.Marvel
G.L Alen Scott
Stargirl
Power Girl
Flash
Hawkgirl

vs

The JLA:
Batman
Superman
G.L Kyle
Wonder Woman
Manhunter
Flash
Aquaman

No prep. Who wins ?

thats a hard one cause jsa older more experince

Originally posted by Malo
The JSA:
Hawkman
Cap.Marvel
G.L Alen Scott
Stargirl
Power Girl
Flash
Hawkgirl

vs

The JLA:
Batman
Superman
G.L Kyle
Wonder Woman
Manhunter
Flash
Aquaman

No prep. Who wins ?

Flash = Flash
Alan >> Kyle
Superman/WW > Powergirl/Marvel
Manhunter/Aquaman > Stargirl/Hawkpeople
Batman is a non-factor.

For me it comes down to Alan. He would dispatch Kyle more quickly than Supes and WW would beat Marvel and Powergirl (who isn't a slouch). Then it becomes a bit lopsided.

Good fight though. And the JLA could definitely pull it out if they play their cards correctly. That, and since Supes is a walking PIS machine, the writers of this fight might just have him go uber and win the thing himself. But I'd give it to the JSA 6-7/10

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Flash = Flash
Alan >> Kyle
Superman/WW > Powergirl/Marvel
Manhunter/Aquaman > Stargirl/Hawkpeople
Batman is a non-factor.

For me it comes down to Alan. He would dispatch Kyle more quickly than Supes and WW would beat Marvel and Powergirl (who isn't a slouch). Then it becomes a bit lopsided.

Good fight though. And the JLA could definitely pull it out if they play their cards correctly. That, and since Supes is a walking PIS machine, the writers of this fight might just have him go uber and win the thing himself. But I'd give it to the JSA 6-7/10
Batman a NON-FACTOR!

*Badabing Batkicks Digi square in the....." *

id say jsa i agree that alen could take kyle but it would be harder then u think cause he does develop to be a perrty badass gl

Originally posted by He-guy88
id say jsa i agree that alen could take kyle but it would be harder then u think cause he does develop to be a perrty badass gl

Fair enough, but any group fight still comes down to the few most powerful members. And once Alan beats Kyle, it's downhill for the JLA, unless they focus on taking him out (which wouldn't be easy with the others there as well) since he's the only major advantage the JSA has in this fight.

o yeah i agree wit that

I say JLA. I don't see the Society taking a majority without a Dr. Fate in their ranks. He's the sole reason why I've usually considered the JSA a notch above the League.

thats a good point but i still say jsa just by pure exp

their so old they perrty know all the stragitys lol

Originally posted by Validus
I say JLA. I don't see the Society taking a majority without a Dr. Fate in their ranks. He's the sole reason why I've usually considered the JSA a notch above the League.
Pretty much.

I'd say their experience edge is offset by the flat out superior power levels of the JLA especially looking at Digi's match ups which include WW Vs Power Girl and J'onn/Orin Vs the Hawks.

yeah they do have higher power levels but u cant win a fight by pure power u gotta be able to think on ur feet and out smart the opponent

Originally posted by He-guy88
yeah they do have higher power levels but u cant win a fight by pure power u gotta be able to think on ur feet and out smart the opponent
When the the dfference in power levels is that of Martian Manhunter and Hawkman, pure power is basically all there is to it.

There's a 100% chance that WW beats Power Girl and MM/Orin beat the Hawks before Alan beats Kyle and thats if Alan beats Kyle at all considering it's far from a sure thing.

ok then look at this mm no telapath powers just for argument sake if hawk can manover mm to a bad postion then he can win

Originally posted by Malo
The JSA:
Hawkman
Cap.Marvel
G.L Alen Scott
Stargirl
Power Girl
Flash
Hawkgirl

vs

The JLA:
Batman
Superman
G.L Kyle
Wonder Woman
Manhunter
Flash
Aquaman

No prep. Who wins ? what does the jsa stand for ?

J'onn is faster, stronger, smarter, more versatile, and better than the Hawks at just about everything important involving a fight. Unless Carter is packing the Claw of Horus, he wouldn't last 2 minutes in a non PIS/CIS fight.

The JLA has have the advantage (if I'm not mistaken) of having the only telepaths in this fight on their team. I'd also give the edge to the JLA if we are talking about Jay vs Wally in terms of the teams respective Flashs.

The way I see it there are two key fights here: Superman vs Captain Marvel and Kyle vs Alan. Superman and Cap are on fairly even ground so that is a stalemate for a while at least. And if Kyle is able just to hold his own against Alan for a little while then that would leave WW vs Powergirl, Wally vs Jay, MM & Aquaman vs the Hawlpeople & Stargirl all of which I see the JLA members winning fairly quickly.

Then they would be able to overwhelm Captain Marvel and Alan with sheer numbers, imo.

i have to agree wit some of that but wally is made to be a littel less powerful then the other flashes now if barry allen were to take his place then barrey easy hes faster then speed of light all the other falshes and superman only got up to speed of light thats how he died he ran so fast not even the speed force could protect him

Originally posted by diabloman
what does the jsa stand for ?
justic socity of america

Originally posted by He-guy88
i have to agree wit some of that but wally is made to be a littel less powerful then the other flashes now if barry allen were to take his place then barrey easy hes faster then speed of light all the other falshes and superman only got up to speed of light thats how he died he ran so fast not even the speed force could protect him
Not that Barry has anything to do with this but Wally can go as fast as he wants without pulled into the speedforce. Jay is the one with problems even getting up to lightspeed as seen in Infinite Crisis #4 when his body was giving out due to old age.

Wally is more powerful than any Flash.

well that is a good point i was just pointen out that berry realy was the fastest man alive

Fair enough. It comes down to whether or not Alan can beat Kyle before he gets overwhelmed. And I forgot about hte telepathy edge. The JSA has a fair amount of people who are resistant to telepathy (Marvel, Alan, etc.) but no one who can completely counter it. That's probably the decider here. So I've changed my mind.

Originally posted by Malo
The JSA:
Hawkman
Cap.Marvel
G.L Alen Scott
Stargirl
Power Girl
Flash
Hawkgirl

vs

The JLA:
Batman
Superman
G.L Kyle
Wonder Woman
Manhunter
Flash
Aquaman

No prep. Who wins ?

GL Kyle could actually give GL Alan a run for his money. Kyle is considered the most creative GL ever, so he could probably think of something. While I think Alan is more of a blend of Hal and Kyle, I think he would be given a good fight considering he's a GL here, and not in Sentinel form. Manhunter and Aquaman could easily shut the minds off of Stargirl, Hawkgirl, and Hawkman. From there, Cap Marvel and Superman fights always are good ones, I think Wonder Woman could assist Superman there to overwhelm Shazam. And Wally trumps Garrick ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Jay is seriously WAY slower than Wally, he would lose badly. Without Dr. Fate or Alan Scott in his Sentinel form, I don't see how the JSA could pull this one off.

Originally posted by He-guy88
well that is a good point i was just pointen out that berry realy was the fastest man alive

Dude, no. Wally is MUCH faster than Barry ever was. Wally had to hold himself back so he couldn't go any faster than Barry. Once he got over his fear of being a better Flash than his uncle, he was going ten times as fast as Barry.

if starboy and dr fate were on jsa for this line up jsa no prob

Starboy?

Originally posted by batdude123
Dude, no. Wally is MUCH faster than Barry ever was. Wally had to hold himself back so he couldn't go any faster than Barry. Once he got over his fear of being a better Flash than his uncle, he was going ten times as fast as Barry.

no ur wrong cause the speed force does protect them both wally does not need the speed force to protcte him because hes not going as fast and if he ever went faster then barry at his fastest then he would exploade into pure energy

just mixen it up a littel hes from the legion

Originally posted by He-guy88
no ur wrong cause the speed force does protect them both wally does not need the speed force to protcte him because hes not going as fast and if he ever went faster then barry at his fastest then he would exploade into pure energy
Actually you're wrong. Wally can go as fast as he wants without being pulled into the Speedforce because he has an anchor to this world (his wife).

Post Crisis canon says Wally is faster than anyone before him, including Barry.

Originally posted by He-guy88
no ur wrong cause the speed force does protect them both wally does not need the speed force to protcte him because hes not going as fast and if he ever went faster then barry at his fastest then he would exploade into pure energy

No, when he goes his fastest, Wally litterally goes beyond the realm of speed itself. He actually taps into the speed force, a sort of extra dimensional warp. Trust me dude, Wally is MUCH faster than Barry.

so ur sayin the speed force witch protects the flash's not only gives them speed but protects them from burring out at these trimendes speeds does not need to protect him cause he has his wife

Wally's faster than Barry. Give it up.

He-guy88 just got

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Originally posted by He-guy88
so ur sayin the speed force witch protects the flash's not only gives them speed but protects them from burring out at these trimendes speeds does not need to protect him cause he has his wife
???

What I'm saying is Wally can reach any speed without being pulled into the Speed Force. I'm also saying he's faster than everyone else.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wally's faster than Barry. Give it up.
no im askin a valdid question (if wally could go faster then speed off light he couldent see cause hed be going faster then light its self) so is that a yes or no

Originally posted by He-guy88
no im askin a valdid question (if wally could go faster then speed off light he couldent see cause hed be going faster then light its self) so is that a yes or no
The Speed Force allows him to see. The Speed Force explains away all the science involved with Flash's power. It's basically magic.

Originally posted by He-guy88
no im askin a valdid question (if wally could go faster then speed off light he couldent see cause hed be going faster then light its self) so is that a yes or no

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thats logical but their sayin hes not usin the speed force

Originally posted by He-guy88
thats logical but their sayin hes not usin the speed force
That's not what anyone said at all.

Originally posted by He-guy88
no im askin a valdid question (if wally could go faster then speed off light he couldent see cause hed be going faster then light its self) so is that a yes or no

Whoa dude, you seriously need to look into comic book "reality" or their lack of it. If you wanted to use real-world logic, than an object cannot go faster than the speed of light because it's molecules would become infinitely massive. Wally goes 100's of times faster than the speed of light for his top speed. You can't think of everything in real-world science, because none of that applies to comics. Anyways, yes, Wally goes much faster than Barry.

Originally posted by Validus
Actually you're wrong. Wally can go as fast as he wants without being pulled into the Speedforce because he has an anchor to this world (his wife).

Post Crisis canon says Wally is faster than anyone before him, including Barry.

well wats that mean cause looks like thats wat ur sayin if hes not usein it the hes not

Originally posted by He-guy88
well wats that mean cause looks like thats wat ur sayin if hes not usein it the hes not
It's pretty simple. Wally can use the Speed Force without risk of being sucked into it when he goes faster than light.

Originally posted by batdude123
Whoa dude, you seriously need to look into comic book "reality" or their lack of it. If you wanted to use real-world logic, than an object cannot go faster than the speed of light because it's molecules would become infinitely massive. Wally goes 100's of times faster than the speed of light for his top speed. You can't think of everything in real-world science, because none of that applies to comics. Anyways, yes, Wally goes much faster than Barry.
yes i get that but barry allen went so fast nothing could save him not the speed force nothing and he turned to pure energy thats how he died i dont care if someone has a wife if they try to go faster then that then thats wats gonna happen to them

Originally posted by He-guy88
yes i get that
You really don't. Look, Wally can go faster than light. Why? Because he can. K?

no im sayin i get wat ur sayin i realy do but if barry went so fast that the speed force could not protect him then how can wally go faster then that
if u can explane that to me then i might belive u

Originally posted by He-guy88
no im sayin i get wat ur sayin i realy do but if barry went so fast that the speed force could not protect him then how can wally go faster then that
if u can explane that to me then i might belive u

any on wanna exlpain it to me

Originally posted by Validus
I say JLA. I don't see the Society taking a majority without a Dr. Fate in their ranks. He's the sole reason why I've usually considered the JSA a notch above the League.

I'd say Jakeem Thunder is a more powerful member then Dr. Fate

Originally posted by dman2008
I'd say Jakeem Thunder is a more epowerful member then Dr. Strange

Please, Dr. Strange is easily the most powerful member of the JSA . Everyone know that.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Please, Dr. Strange is easily the most powerful member of the JSA . Everyone know that.


I meant Dr. Fate

yea i say dr fate

Originally posted by He-guy88
any on wanna exlpain it to me

I'll try although I'm not as up to date on my Flash mythos as I perhaps should be and if I'm wrong hopefully a more knowledgable person can correct it. First keep in mind that when all speedsters exceed a certain speed they run the risk of being sucked into the speed force. That is what happened to Barry during the crisis. It isn't that he went so fast the speed force no longer protected him but that he actually merged with it. Now Wally is different. He is able to exceed that speed and not be trapped in the speed force because his wife somehow anchors him in this world.

To the question of who is faster, you must keep in mind that Barry (iirc) was never aware of the existance of the speed force as the concept of it was introduced after his death. Wally not only knows it exists but knows how to use and manipulate it. Thus he is the faster of the Flashs.

Originally posted by batdude123
GL Kyle could actually give GL Alan a run for his money. Kyle is considered the most creative GL ever, so he could probably think of something. While I think Alan is more of a blend of Hal and Kyle, I think he would be given a good fight considering he's a GL here, and not in Sentinel form. Manhunter and Aquaman could easily shut the minds off of Stargirl, Hawkgirl, and Hawkman. From there, Cap Marvel and Superman fights always are good ones, I think Wonder Woman could assist Superman there to overwhelm Shazam. And Wally trumps Garrick ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Jay is seriously WAY slower than Wally, he would lose badly. Without Dr. Fate or Alan Scott in his Sentinel form, I don't see how the JSA could pull this one off.

^^^

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'll try although I'm not as up to date on my Flash mythos as I perhaps should be and if I'm wrong hopefully a more knowledgable person can correct it. First keep in mind that when all speedsters exceed a certain speed they run the risk of being sucked into the speed force. That is what happened to Barry during the crisis. It isn't that he went so fast the speed force no longer protected him but that he actually merged with it. Now Wally is different. He is able to exceed that speed and not be trapped in the speed force because his wife somehow anchors him in this world.

To the question of who is faster, you must keep in mind that Barry (iirc) was never aware of the existance of the speed force as the concept of it was introduced after his death. Wally not only knows it exists but knows how to use and manipulate it. Thus he is the faster of the Flashs.

That is basically correct.

Originally posted by dman2008

I meant Dr. Fate

Sure you did . I should have expected something like that from a member of the JLA KMC.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'll try although I'm not as up to date on my Flash mythos as I perhaps should be and if I'm wrong hopefully a more knowledgable person can correct it. First keep in mind that when all speedsters exceed a certain speed they run the risk of being sucked into the speed force. That is what happened to Barry during the crisis. It isn't that he went so fast the speed force no longer protected him but that he actually merged with it. Now Wally is different. He is able to exceed that speed and not be trapped in the speed force because his wife somehow anchors him in this world.

To the question of who is faster, you must keep in mind that Barry (iirc) was never aware of the existance of the speed force as the concept of it was introduced after his death. Wally not only knows it exists but knows how to use and manipulate it. Thus he is the faster of the Flashs.

i veary much apprecate ur expalnation and it does make sence but if berry was able to do as wally not being sucked in and all then i think that hed win

Originally posted by He-guy88
i veary much apprecate ur expalnation and it does make sence but if berry was able to do as wally not being sucked in and all then i think that hed win

No problem at all.
But I'd still tend to go with Wally in a fight even if all other things were even (ie Barry knew of the speed force's existence and was equally as adept as Wally at using it). The difference between the two, besides shear speed, is that fact that Wally a lot more experience as a speedster. Remember that Barry got his powers as an adult while Wally got his at adolescence.

Originally posted by TheKahn
No problem at all.
But I'd still tend to go with Wally in a fight even if all other things were even (ie Barry knew of the speed force's existence and was equally as adept as Wally at using it). The difference between the two, besides shear speed, is that fact that Wally a lot more experience as a speedster. Remember that Barry got his powers as an adult while Wally got his at adolescence.

veary true

So we all agree that the JLA win, right?

yeah i agree if were going by the line up on here

i say kyel hit allen scott with a wooden bat its over

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Flash = Flash
Alan >> Kyle
Superman/WW > Powergirl/Marvel
Manhunter/Aquaman > Stargirl/Hawkpeople
Batman is a non-factor.

For me it comes down to Alan. He would dispatch Kyle more quickly than Supes and WW would beat Marvel and Powergirl (who isn't a slouch). Then it becomes a bit lopsided.

Good fight though. And the JLA could definitely pull it out if they play their cards correctly. That, and since Supes is a walking PIS machine, the writers of this fight might just have him go uber and win the thing himself. But I'd give it to the JSA 6-7/10

that comment at the end is a proper superman hater comment, what he do to you? lol he's just hard as nails... well hard a nails made of adamantium.

Originally posted by MattDay
that comment at the end is a proper superman hater comment, what he do to you? lol he's just hard as nails... well hard a nails made of adamantium. Supes does definately go uber at times, and will beat up entire groups of people who by all rights maybe should beat him, all in one quick glorious move.

What about this JSA team Instead:

Doctor Fate
Sandman
Black Adam
Allan Scott
Captain Marvel
Hawk Man
Mister Terrific
Flash
Atom Samasher

Vs

Zattana
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Kyle
Supes
Aquaman
Batman
Flash
Black Canary.

JSA still wins

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'll try although I'm not as up to date on my Flash mythos as I perhaps should be and if I'm wrong hopefully a more knowledgable person can correct it. First keep in mind that when all speedsters exceed a certain speed they run the risk of being sucked into the speed force. That is what happened to Barry during the crisis. It isn't that he went so fast the speed force no longer protected him but that he actually merged with it. Now Wally is different. He is able to exceed that speed and not be trapped in the speed force because his wife somehow anchors him in this world.

To the question of who is faster, you must keep in mind that Barry (iirc) was never aware of the existance of the speed force as the concept of it was introduced after his death. Wally not only knows it exists but knows how to use and manipulate it. Thus he is the faster of the Flashs.

iv done a littel reading on the subject and berry did to have knowaldge of the speed force and even told wally a littel about it when he was still alive so i need someone to explain that to me

Nope , i'm pretty sure Barry had very little knowledge of the SF.

well even were barry wally jhonny quick and so on sent sbp to the speed force so he did have some and i rember him talking about it

JSA wins, they have the spectre.

Originally posted by the Darkone
JSA wins, they have the spectre.

not on this line up