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grey fox
Ok , so heres the deal. A fully loaded shotgun (the most powerful version on the market) is aimed straight at these heroes heads and fired . Can they survive ?


Batman
Spider Man
Namor
Multiple Man
Aquaman
Blade
Wonder Woman
Wolverine
Hulk
Wendigo
Thor

Tassadar
Assuming they cant dodge or block the pellets
# Batman- no
# Spider Man- no
# Namor- yes
# Multiple Man- no
# Aquaman- maybe
# Blade- no
# Wonder Woman- no
# Wolverine- yes
# Hulk- yes(wtf is Hulk here for?)
# Wendigo- yes
# Thor- yes

Dinalfos
Wolverine? I strongly doubt it.

grey fox
Their is no dodging or blocking , this is pure durability.

who?-kid

GODSCRIBE
Of course Wolverine survives it. Actually, the bullets shouldn't even be able to pierce his skull.

Although WW's bones are denser, she'll definately feel it. She'd probably survive it though. She's been pierced before ya know?

Sam Z
What about Batman? His mask is buletproof isn't it?

grey fox

superman41082
Originally posted by Tassadar
Assuming they cant dodge or block the pellets
# Batman- no
# Spider Man- no
# Namor- yes
# Multiple Man- no
# Aquaman- maybe
# Blade- no
# Wonder Woman- no
# Wolverine- yes
# Hulk- yes(wtf is Hulk here for?)
# Wendigo- yes
# Thor- yes

First of all, this is ridiculous. 2ndly, WW would of course survive. She only blocks bullets with her wrists because it's cool. She's bulletproof. And why do you have Batman on the list????

GODSCRIBE
Originally posted by Sam Z
What about Batman? His mask is buletproof isn't it?

Batman's face would be torn to shreds.

grey fox
Originally posted by superman41082
First of all, this is ridiculous. 2ndly, WW would of course survive. She only blocks bullets with her wrists because it's cool. She's bulletproof. And why do you have Batman on the list????

It was ether him or deathstroke.....

superman41082
Originally posted by grey fox
It was ether him or deathstroke.....

LOL, I didn't even realize that it was you that made this thread. Even pros make mistakes.

(Ponders in headwink I think it's high time we answer the age old question of what happens when a regular man gets shot in head with the most powerful shotgun on the market?

I'm just kidding grey fox. You are much more knowledgeable then me when it comes to the vs forums. I just think it's funny you of all people made this thread.

grey fox
Originally posted by superman41082
LOL, I didn't even realize that it was you that made this thread. Even pros make mistakes.

(Ponders in headwink I think it's high time we answer the age old question of what happens when a regular man gets shot in head with the most powerful shotgun on the market?

I'm just kidding grey fox. You are much more knowledgeable then me when it comes to the vs forums. I just think it's funny you of all people made this thread.

Meh , we all need moments of Insanity .

Mindship
Wonder Woman is Not bulletproof; she has never demonstrated to be bulletproof (at least as far as I know; if someone has seen otherwise, please post pic). A shotgun blast to the head would hurt her, but she'd probably be able to survive it due to her overall strength and healing capacity (note I did not say healing speed, just her sheer ability to recover from profound wounds).

Though the whole concept is ridiculous upon close examination, WW can take a superpunch but not a bullet because the bullet generates a much higher force in p.s.i. But again, the whole punch-yes/bullet-no concept is ridiculous because Superman punches so hard, his strength more than compensates for the larger surface area of his fist. Wonder Woman should either be able to take both a superpunch and a bullet (which at this point in her history, would be the more logical course), or neither. The only reason she is still blocking bullets with her bracelets is because That is her signature move--she is trapped by her character concept.

As for blocking bullets because it's cool...please. The "demoralize opponents" reason is also ridiculous. Far cooler and more impressive it is to just stand there and take the shots than block them.

Neo: "Are you saying, I'll be able to dodge bullets?"
Morpheus: "I'm saying, you won't have to."

superman41082
Originally posted by Mindship
Wonder Woman is Not bulletproof; she has never demonstrated to be bulletproof (at least as far as I know; if someone has seen otherwise, please post pic). A shotgun blast to the head would hurt her, but she'd probably be able to survive it due to her overall strength and healing capacity (note I did not say healing speed, just her sheer ability to recover from profound wounds).

Though the whole concept is ridiculous upon close examination, WW can take a superpunch but not a bullet because the bullet generates a much higher force in p.s.i. But again, the whole punch-yes/bullet-no concept is ridiculous because Superman punches so hard, his strength more than compensates for the larger surface area of his fist. Wonder Woman should either be able to take both a superpunch and a bullet (which at this point in her history, would be the more logical course), or neither. The only reason she is still blocking bullets with her bracelets is because That is her signature move--she is trapped by her character concept.

As for blocking bullets because it's cool...please. The "demoralize opponents" reason is also ridiculous. Far cooler and more impressive it is to just stand there and take the shots than block them.

Neo: "Are you saying, I'll be able to dodge bullets?"
Morpheus: "I'm saying, you won't have to."

No man........ While bullets can cause lots of psi trauma, they do not have a harder psi than a punch from Supes(lol). They are just deadly because they are sharper and and can stick into vital organs. Look, if she can survive an uppercut from Supes, she'd easily survive a bullet. If we're looking at psi only(lol), an punch from supes brings down a building, while a bullet puts a little dent in it. Sorry, but Supes fist is not proportionately that much bigger than a bullet to constitute it having more psi.

Mindship
Originally posted by superman41082
No man........ While bullets can cause lots of psi trauma, they do not have a harder psi than a punch from Supes(lol). They are just deadly because they are sharper and and can stick into vital organs. Look, if she can survive an uppercut from Supes, she'd easily survive a bullet. If we're looking at psi only(lol), an punch from supes brings down a building, while a bullet puts a little dent in it. Sorry, but Supes fist is not proportionately that much bigger than a bullet to constitute it having more psi.

Let's keep in mind that a punch from Supes is completely fictional. If it takes down a building or (lol) punches thru time, it's becasue the writers decreed it so. A real-life projectile about the size of Supes's fist and forearm (and moving at about 5000 ft/sec) will Not bring down a building unless it has a very Very large warhead and hits a main support beam. Even then, it is doubtful.

As for bullets, their deadliness depends on the type of bullet. Some have tremendous penetration power (very high psi) and will go right through a car engine or through the side of a building (these actually would do less damage to a person than a slower slug). Others will enter a body and bounce of bones, ripping up organs and may eventually get lodged in flesh after they've lost momentum, after the damage has already been done.

Also, you wrote, "While bullets can cause lots of psi trauma, they do not have a harder psi than a punch from Supes," implying Supes' has a higher psi. But then you write, "Sorry, but Supes fist is not proportionately that much bigger than a bullet to constitute it having more psi," implying the bullet has a higher psi.

Whoops.

Lastly, anyone, please, show me one pic where WW has a bullet bounce off her skin, and I will happily stand corrected. I believe I even read once, where WW herself admitted (to Superman, no less), that bullets and arrows can hurt her because they are "sharper" (interestingly, a person can stab through a bulletproof vest because the sharper/smaller knifepoint--as compared to a bullet's nose--allows a higher psi).

As I said, WW's "pick'n'choose" durability is absurd but unfortunately there isn't much writers choose to do about it, trying to appeal to both sides of the fence: 1) having her as tough as Supes (and there is nothing wrong with that, in principle); and 2) keeping her vulnerable to bullets. Just basic character inconsistency.

GODSCRIBE
whoa, this guy just shut this whole thread down.

braz
Originally posted by grey fox
Ok , so heres the deal. A fully loaded shotgun (the most powerful version on the market) is aimed straight at these heroes heads and fired . Can they survive ?


Batman
Spider Man
Namor
Multiple Man
Aquaman
Blade
Wonder Woman
Wolverine
Hulk
Wendigo
Thor


Batman- not likely. unless u refer to Batman Begins Batman, his cowl was made of kevlar reinforced graphite. but it would probably shatter at close range. so no.

spidey-nope. his only hope of survivin this is dodging it, like h always does. but he cant do that here.

Namor-probably

MM- dunno

Aquaman-yea
Blade- no
Wolverine- hmm, now this is a good one. because he has a healing factor and an adamantium skull. his face would probably be pretty messed up. with bits off tissue probably just drippin of the metal skull sick
healing factor isnt that strong. so no. probably not.

Hulk- yea

Wendigo-sure
Thor- oh yea.

Lord Urizen
Batman - NO

Spider Man - NO

Namor - maybe

Multiple Man - depends which one of him you hit

Aquaman - yes

Blade - yes

Wonder Woman - yes

Wolverine - yes

Hulk - ofcourse

Wendigo - ofcourse

Thor - ofcourse

Tron
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Wolverine? I strongly doubt it.

Actually, Punisher has does this to him before. Blew his face off, but he was fine though.

capt it up
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Wolverine? I strongly doubt it.

Dizzle
Awesomely enough, Batman may take the shot if he's shot in the back of the head. (as opposed to the face, which is left open... you didn't specify)

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc245&image=0f2_batsnipe2.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc136&image=9c4_batsnipe3.jpg

Not likely, but possible. Keep in mind, it doesn't have to completyely stop the pellets, just slow them down enough. Batman can take a blow to (or through) the head with the best of them.

http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc198&image=00f_batburned.jpg
(sorry, too badass not to post)

I agree with pretty much everything else... Wonderwoman would take it. It might hurt, but it won't do even close to enough damage to kill her.

TheKahn
Damn, and to think all Superman would have needed in this fight is a shotgun to kill Wonder Woman...

Originally posted by dawsey28
Wonder Woman #219

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15.http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job154ty.jpg
16.http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job165zv.jpg

As to the list of characters, I think it is possible that all of them could under the right circumstances survive/dodge the blast.

King KAM
i thought bullets hurt thor....

TheKahn
Originally posted by King KAM
i thought bullets hurt thor....

I think they do as (iirc) Asgardian flesh is only suppose to be about 3x denser than a normal human. But as Thor can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light (Journey Into Mystery#102) and that can see objects moving at great speed (artillery shells in Invaders#33 and Hermes in Avengers-#281), I don't see why he couldn't simply knock the bullets out of the air with his fists/arms before they hit his head.






***these descriptions for his feats are taken from this list and thus the possibility exists that they may not be 100% accurate.
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040224214306&q=oliv

grey fox
Ok more details.

No damn dodging , blocking or anything else, this is PURE durability at work.

The shotgun is aimed directly at the opponents face and is about an inch away from the face.

Marvel Boy
wolverine taking a shotgun blast to the face

Mindship
Wonder Woman #219
1.http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job17mx.jpg
2.http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job29bn.jpg
3.http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job39vm.jpg
4.http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job40cx.jpg
5.http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job59fa.jpg
6.http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job60xb.jpg
7.http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job79wa.jpg
8.http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job81cs.jpg
9.http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job94sk.jpg
10.http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job108hs.jpg
11.http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job110ay.jpg
12.http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job127to.jpg
13.http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job131ps.jpg
14.http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job146fc.jpg
15.http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job154ty.jpg
16.http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job165zv.jpg

I've seen these scans before...and this is exactly what I mean. Wonder Woman should be bullet-proof, (that is, IF you want her to be able to hold her own against Superman). But how do you take away her signature move? The "blunt-impact" and "demoralize opponents" theories, IMHO, are not sufficient explanations to account for this inconsistency (probably the 1980s "Crisis" series would've been a good time to correct this, but, alas...).

Hey, comics. pizza What can ya do...

DarkCrawler
# Batman - No
# Spider Man - No
# Namor - Yep
# Multiple Man - Probably not
# Aquaman - Not sure
# Blade - No
# Wonder Woman - Yes or No...(What Mindship posted)
# Wolverine - He'd heal from it, so yes
# Hulk - Yes
# Wendigo - Yes
# Thor - Yes

Accel
Wonder Woman can take a punch from Superman, but she can't take a bullet to the head. Here's why:

WW once explained her durability to someone before. She compared it to a block of wood, saying that if you try to hammer a nail into the block, it would go in easily; but if you try to hammer in a wider object (say, another block of wood), it would not go in at all.

In other words, she can take godlike punishment form bludgeoning objects, such as fists and high impacts against the ground; but narrow and pointy objects pierce her just easily as they do to ordinary humans. So as stupid as it sounds, Wonder Woman would in fact die if someone shot her in the head with a shotgun and she'd be better off taking a punch from Doomsday.

Accel
Forget what I said- I just found these scans. Turns out she CAN take a bullet to the head; it just really, really hurts her (ironically it STILL does more damage than a punch from Superman).

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7198/shot66pb.th.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2038/shot72ra.th.jpg

marvelprince
Nice with the scans Accel. I was just gonna say how WW's explanation was flawed. A bullet may be smaller but the force from a punch from someone like Doomsday and Superman would more than make up for the bullets size with power. Just look at it in the formula for pressure. Pressure is force/area, so the larger the area is the less will be the pressure thus damage to WW. Example, 5000 N punch from a fist of lets say .25m squared in comparison to a bullet fired with a force of 5000N but its area is .0000025m squared. The bullet will exert a greater pressure on its target. But looking at it from someone with superhuman strength the force is gonna skyrocket to many times that of a bullet, making the area of the bullet irrelevant. Point is, doesnt matter how small the bullet is, if she can take blows from Superman they shouldn't have any effect on her.

Back on topic though,
Batman - No
Spider Man - No
Namor - Yes
Multiple Man - If its the original, no
Aquaman - Has taken rockets before so yes
Blade - No
Wonder Woman - Yes, even though she seems like she can't
Wolverine - He'd heal from it, so yes
Hulk - Yes
Wendigo - Yes
Thor - Yes

Tassadar
GF said its fully loaded, so a striker automatic shotgun with a 32 shell drum, no dodgeing or blocking
Thats 32 shotgun shells to the face, with all pellets going in, unless we are talking slugs of course........

Darth Martin
Originally posted by grey fox
Ok , so heres the deal. A fully loaded shotgun (the most powerful version on the market) is aimed straight at these heroes heads and fired . Can they survive ?


Batman
Spider Man
Namor
Multiple Man
Aquaman
Blade
Wonder Woman
Wolverine
Hulk
Wendigo
Thor


1.no
2.no
3.yes
4.no
5.yes
6.yes
7.yes
8.yes
9.yes
10.yes
11.yes

Robtard
Batman - Dead (Maybe if shot in the back of the head, his cowl's protection varies.)

Spider Man - Dead

Namor - Survives

Multiple Man - Dead

Aquaman - Survives but probably hurt

Blade - Dead

Wonder Woman - Dead? (she only has high resistance to blunt force trauma, so unless tiny shotgun pellets are considered blunt force trauma she's dead.)

Wolverine - Skin ripped away, but survives and heals

Hulk - Gets angry from the sting and HULK SMASH who ever shot him

Wendigo - Survives

Thor - Survives

Darth Martin
Blade would heal too.

Cosmo Kramer
Originally posted by Mr. Universe
Of course Wolverine survives it. Actually, the bullets shouldn't even be able to pierce his skull.

Although WW's bones are denser, she'll definately feel it. She'd probably survive it though. She's been pierced before ya know?

The force will blow his face clear off.

Robtard
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Blade would heal too.

Not from that much damage, it would basically take his head off or enough of it to kill him. Blades healing factor is slow and he needs to be alive to heal.

Robtard
Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
The force will blow his face clear off.

It will rip and shred his skin off, but his skull will remain undamaged due to the adamantium, he would regrow his face and be fine in time. This same thing happened to him when he went against Punisher.

Darth Martin
I thought WW was somewhat invulnerable in a way, just like Superman

Sea King
Namor and Aquaman both yes

Sea King
Originally posted by grey fox
Ok , so heres the deal. A fully loaded shotgun (the most powerful version on the market) is aimed straight at these heroes heads and fired . Can they survive ?


Batman
Spider Man
Namor
Multiple Man
Aquaman
Blade
Wonder Woman
Wolverine
Hulk
Wendigo
Thor


well im saying no to some who may be able to take it but since the bullets are aimed for their heads like ww she could use her wrist bands to block them but not if they shoot her in the head

Batman Maybe if his suit is bullet proof
Spider Man no
Namor yes
Multiple Man no he has no duplacits to take the shot for him
Aquaman yes
Blade maybe
Wonder Woman no
Wolverine yes
Hulk yes
Wendigo yes
Thor yes

Robtard
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I thought WW was somewhat invulnerable in a way, just like Superman

Her's is limited though. She has superb invulnerabilty to blunt force trauma (Punches, baseball bats, lead pipes, bulldozer being smashed against her face etc. etc.) thats why she can take a punch from super strong beings like Superman and survive. But cutting, stabbing and such she doesn't have that much protection.

Dinalfos
I pity Wolverine, though. I think you're actually better off without the healing factor and the adamantium skeleton if you are to take a shot in the face. Damn, that would hurt.

On topic:

Batman - Ofcourse not

Spider Man - No.

Namor - Possibly. Likely.

Multiple Man - unlikely, but possible.

Aquaman - Don't know.

Blade - No.

Wonder Woman - depends on the writer. She shouldn't.

Wolverine - I guess so.

Hulk - Haha. Very funny.

Wendigo - Yes, although Wendigo has been dangerously
wounded by gunshots before. And they didn't even hit him in the head.

Thor - Ofcourse.

Swanky-Tuna
I could kill Wolverine with a shotgun but it'd involve turing the barrel into a long, skinny pipe bomb.

diabloman
Originally posted by grey fox
Ok , so heres the deal. A fully loaded shotgun (the most powerful version on the market) is aimed straight at these heroes heads and fired . Can they survive ?


Batman
Spider Man
Namor
Multiple Man
Aquaman
Blade
Wonder Woman
Wolverine
Hulk
Wendigo
Thor
if there using cables gun then yah there gone

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