whos the best fighter without superpowers?

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doctor ketchup
1.Batman
2.Blade
3.Punisher
4.daredevil
5.electra
6.captain america
7. doc ock and anyone else you can think of
so let the debate BEGIN!!

A.J
Bats.

Milkie
Taskmaster

Lethal_Rise
Black Panther or Batman.

Blair Wind
Karate Kid.

Lethal_Rise
change: my vote's on karate kid (OR mr. meeyagi)

batdude123
Yep, Karate Kid.

lilnutta12
juggernaut because he can still ram half of them down

Big Sexy
Karate kid

batdude123
Originally posted by lilnutta12
juggernaut because he can still ram half of them down

These are people WITHOUT ANY SUPERPOWERS! wink

lilnutta12
you know what batman becoz hi dusnt have powers so he wud be exactly the same

Lethal_Rise
Cain Marko was in the army b4 he became juggernaut, but he didn't do anything.

Skeets
KK easily........

He-guy88
dd and electra could be considered haveing powers

Lethal_Rise
daredevil does have powers but elektra doesn't.

complexbrother
1.Batman with prep he's #1
2.Blade no, he has powers
3.Punisher with weapons, hell yes
4.daredevil not really
5.electra with stealh and supprise attacks
6.captain america amongst command situations ....hell yea!!
7. doc ock you're kidding ...right ?

and anyone else you can think of
so let the debate BEGIN!!



8. Shang Shi he's number 1 .

batdude123
Originally posted by Lethal_Rise
daredevil does have powers but elektra doesn't.

Yeah she does, she has a slight degree of telepathy.

Tank_6603
You're the best, AROUND!, nothing's gonaa ever bring you down.....

karate kid

batdude123
Originally posted by Tank_6603
You're the best, AROUND!, nothing's gonaa ever bring you down.....

karate kid

eek! laughing Yep, Randy Marsh wins! Happy Dance

Big Sexy
Hes right , wax on and wax off is greater than any training.

batdude123
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Hes right , wax on and wax off is greater than any training.

http://www.answers.com/topic/karate-kid

Karate Kid held his own against Superboy and he doesn't even have any powers. wink

Big Sexy
Dude I know, it was a joke.

Wolverine2006
Blade, Daredevil and Captain America all have powers

Lethal_Rise
yep, they do

Soleran
Not Royce Gracie, I mean Batman is a top contender here!

diabloman
cap bat DD elektra

Juntai
Batman.




And, Karate Kid wasn't on the list.

Juntai
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Hes right , wax on and wax off is greater than any training. Comic Karate Kid, not Ralph Machio.

Big Sexy
Originally posted by Juntai
Comic Karate Kid, not Ralph Machio.
it was a JOKE , damn

diabloman
ultraviolet knocks all of them out

batdude123
Originally posted by Juntai
Batman.




And, Karate Kid wasn't on the list.

He said anybody else you can think of as well. wink

Validus
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diabloman
Originally posted by batdude123
He said anybody else you can think of as well. wink laughing good point

diabloman
the dude that fought elektra at the end of the movie. he kicks ass

batdude123
Originally posted by Validus
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Agreed, except for Batman 1 Million. He's just SLIGHTLY below KK in terms of martial arts.

Wolverine2006
Whos Batman 1 million?

batdude123
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Whos Batman 1 million?

Batman 1 Million's technology makes Ironman's look like a toddler built it. He has a soul-stealing device which he uses on opponenets to trap and keep their inner being. The super-computer he has is uberly advanced in technology. He also has regular Batman's technology except it's modified to fit the 853rd century. His gadgetry includes "datarangs" which he uses for trackin devices as well as attacking opponents on a molecular level. His IQ is 1045, a number that is REDICULOUSLY high. He also has a teleporting device on his suit which he can use to teleport people or himself into or out of messy situations. Along with this, he has a device that makes clones of himself capable of independent thought. Finally, he can also manipulate gravitational forces that enables him to fly at superhuman speeds. On top of all this, he is considered the second best martial artist in DC right after Karate Kid. Batman 1 Million's IQ allows him to easily predict an opponents move and use pre-cognition when fighting a guy. The guy is a beast and patrols an entire planet by himself. The JLA 1 Million team trusts him enough to oversee their super prison, which contains some of the most powerful scum in the galaxy. He's the coolest member of the JLA 1 Million. rock

Grimm22
1. Karate Kid

2.Captain America

3.Daredevil

4.Batman

5.Elektra

6.Lady Shiva

7.Black Panther

8.Task Master

9.Shang Chi

10.Iron Fist (Without the Iron Fist)

diabloman
ultraviolet
dude that fought elektra
cap
DD
batman
elektra
catwoman

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
1. Karate Kid

2.Captain America

3.Daredevil

4.Batman

5.Elektra

6.Lady Shiva

7.Black Panther

8.Task Master

9.Shang Chi

10.Iron Fist (Without the Iron Fist)

Off by a lot.

batdude123
Originally posted by diabloman
ultraviolet
dude that fought elektra
cap
DD
batman
elektra
catwoman

Wrong.

Grimm22
Originally posted by batdude123
Off by a lot.

How so bub? confused

diabloman
Originally posted by batdude123
Wrong. your wrong laughing

Grimm22
Originally posted by diabloman
your wrong laughing

You actually saw Ultra Violet no expression

diabloman
Originally posted by Grimm22
You actually saw Ultra Violet no expression sad i admit it sucked big time. but she kicks ass fighting though you gotta admit that.

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
How so bub? confused

1. Karate Kid
2. Champion
3. Batman 1 Million
4. Batgirl (Cass)
5. Richard Dragon
6. Lady Shiva
7. Karnak
8. Taskmaster
9. Connor Hawke
10. Bronze Tiger

etc....

Grimm22
Originally posted by diabloman
sad i admit it sucked big time. but she kicks ass fighting though you gotta admit that.

Why do people have glass armor in that movie?!? What the f**k?

Seriously

Big Sexy
I can't hate on Diabloman. My girl and I went to see it. The movie is only good if your drunk and high

Validus
Originally posted by batdude123
1. Karate Kid
2. Champion
3. Batman 1 Million
4. Batgirl (Cass)
5. Richard Dragon
6. Lady Shiva
7. Karnak
8. Taskmaster
9. Connor Hawke
10. Bronze Tiger

etc....
Champion sucks.

diabloman
i only saw the movie cause the trailer looked cool online. but the movie was short and story was stupid big time. but out of all the movies ive seen i say shes the best fighter.

Grimm22
Originally posted by batdude123
1. Karate Kid
2. Champion
3. Batman 1 Million
4. Batgirl (Cass)
5. Richard Dragon
6. Lady Shiva
7. Karnak
8. Taskmaster
9. Connor Hawke
10. Bronze Tiger

etc....

Half of those characters I have never heard of.

Taskmaster, better than Cap? confused

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
Half of those characters I have never heard of.

Taskmaster, better than Cap? confused

In terms of pure raw fighting skills, Cap is good, but he's not the best. What puts him over the edge in most fights is his superior physical stats. Batman is a better martial artist than Captain America.

batdude123
Originally posted by Validus
Champion sucks.

laughing

Grimm22
Originally posted by batdude123
In terms of pure raw fighting skills, Cap is good, but he's not the best. What puts him over the edge in most fights is his superior physical stats. Batman is a better martial artist than Captain America.

Martial Artist yes.

But Cap isnt a ninja. stick out tongue

Cap is still a better fighter than Bats

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
Martial Artist yes.

But Cap isnt a ninja. stick out tongue

Cap is still a better fighter than Bats

Nope. no He'd beat Batman because of his physical superiority, even then Batman would still pull off 4-5 wins.

Grimm22
Originally posted by batdude123
Nope. no He'd beat Batman because of his physical superiority, even then Batman would still pull off 4-5 wins.

What the f**k?

When has physical superiority ever stopped Batman?

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
What the f**k?

When has physical superiority ever stopped Batman?

Physical superiority combined with Cap's equal or maybe slightly less fighting ability would probably edge 5-6 against Batman.

Slade comes to mind. He's not as good of a martial artist but in the end, he beat Batman. However, Batman is a much better fighter than Slade.

Grimm22
Originally posted by batdude123
Physical superiority combined with Cap's equal or maybe slightly less fighting ability would probably edge 5-6 against Batman.

Slade comes to mind. He's not as good of a martial artist but in the end, he beat Batman. However, Batman is a much better fighter than Slade.

Of course he isnt as good as a martial artist.

Most h2h fighters arent Martial Artists. Cap isnt. DS isnt.

But that dosent mean they arent great fighters no

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
Of course he isnt as good as a martial artist.

Most h2h fighters arent Martial Artists. Cap isnt. DS isnt.

But that dosent mean they arent great fighters no

They're not better fighters either. Batman was owning Slade for the first few panels, he just got overwhelmed in the end. And please, Cap is not a better fighter than Batman.

*cough* wink

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

Grimm22
Originally posted by batdude123
They're not better fighters either. Batman was owning Slade for the first few panels, he just got overwhelmed in the end. And please, Cap is not a better fighter than Batman.

*cough* wink

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

Do you actually expect me to read all that? confused

Im saying that Bats is a better Martial Artist, but not a better fighter IMO

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
Do you actually expect me to read all that? confused

Im saying that Bats is a better Martial Artist, but not a better fighter IMO

Yeah, read it. Batman is the better fighter by a hair. Captain America would win because of his physical superiority, and even then he would only win 50-60% of the time.

Soujaboy
Hercules

Thor

KK

wolverine

Batman

Thanos

Champion

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hercules

Thor

KK

wolverine

Batman

Thanos

Champion thor and hercules have shitty fighting skills even though there strong and all that.

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hercules

Thor

KK

wolverine

Batman

Thanos

Champion

This thread is for people without any powers. wink

Soujaboy
Originally posted by batdude123
This thread is for people without any powers. wink

I know, it's about who can fight the best.

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I know, it's about who can fight the best.

They can't fight half as well as the people I posted.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
thor and hercules of shitty fighting skills even though there strong and all that.

Again you show your ignorance. Thor, and Hercules are both trained in the art of War.

Thor is trained in the arts of war, being a superbly skilled warrior, highly proficient in hand-to-hand combat, swordsmanship, and hammer throwing.

As Olympus's greatest hero, Hercules is highly expert in traditional means of hand-to-hand combat, as well as in wrestling. Hercules is also very highly skilled in ancient Greek athletic feats such as the discus and hammer throws.

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Again you show your ignorance. Thor, and Hercules are both trained in the art of War.

Thor is trained in the arts of war, being a superbly skilled warrior, highly proficient in hand-to-hand combat, swordsmanship, and hammer throwing.

As Olympus's greatest hero, Hercules is highly expert in traditional means of hand-to-hand combat, as well as in wrestling. Hercules is also very highly skilled in ancient Greek athletic feats such as the discus and hammer throws. hammer throwing ? so thor has great fighting skills cause hes a master on hammer throwing ? laughing your to much man

Validus
Thor and Hercules over KK in what reality?

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Again you show your ignorance. Thor, and Hercules are both trained in the art of War.

Thor is trained in the arts of war, being a superbly skilled warrior, highly proficient in hand-to-hand combat, swordsmanship, and hammer throwing.

As Olympus's greatest hero, Hercules is highly expert in traditional means of hand-to-hand combat, as well as in wrestling. Hercules is also very highly skilled in ancient Greek athletic feats such as the discus and hammer throws.

C'mon man, I'M ignorant? What the f**k? Thor and Hercules don't hold a candle up to the list I posted.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
hammer throwing ? so thor has great fighting skills cause hes a master on hammer throwing ? laughing your to much man

So hammer throwing has nothing to do with fighting in war? laughing

He-guy88
Originally posted by Lethal_Rise
daredevil does have powers but elektra doesn't.

but she is so fast that it seems that she can see wats going to happen before it happens

diabloman
Originally posted by batdude123
C'mon man, I'M ignorant? What the f**k? Thor and Hercules don't hold a candle up to the list I posted. hes 14 give him some slack still hasnt read enough comics yet and doesnt know jack about others skills

Soujaboy
Originally posted by batdude123
C'mon man, I'M ignorant? What the f**k? Thor and Hercules don't hold a candle up to the list I posted.

I wasn't talking about you.

Thor and Herc might not be the best, but that doesn't mean they can't be skilled fighters.

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
So hammer throwing has nothing to do with fighting in war? laughing wow he fought in war. forrest gump is a great fighter as well cause he fought in war. laughing

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
wow he fought in war. forrest gump is a great fighter as well cause he fought in war. laughing

Thor has thousands of years of training in the art of war. Not only that he has more experience than most characters, but by no means am I saying that he's the best.

He-guy88
this is without powers so wats all the talk about herc and thor without their powers they would loes see thors power comes from his hammer so sure i could belive throwing his hammer would be affectiv but he does not get to use it

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I wasn't talking about you.

Thor and Herc might not be the best, but that doesn't mean they can't be skilled fighters.

Oh I completely agree. However, just because they are skilled fighters doesn't mean they should belong in the top 10 or even the top 20 best fighters.

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has thousands of years of training in the art of war. Not only that he has more experience than most characters, but by no means am I saying that he's the best. yes hes a great fighter and all that but he doesnt belong on the top list. neither does herc. you just think they are cause there class 100

Soujaboy
I was just naming some characters, imo these are the best

Champion

KK

Thanos

Let me think of some others

snoopdogg
Originally posted by doctor ketchup
1.Batman
2.Blade
3.Punisher
4.daredevil
5.electra
6.captain america
7. doc ock and anyone else you can think of
so let the debate BEGIN!! All of these characters other than Batman and Punisher have some sort of power.

Batman.

batdude123
Originally posted by He-guy88
this is without powers so wats all the talk about herc and thor without their powers they would loes see thors power comes from his hammer so sure i could belive throwing his hammer would be affectiv but he does not get to use it

Actually, she does have a slight degree of TP.

Validus
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has thousands of years of training in the art of war. Not only that he has more experience than most characters, but by no means am I saying that he's the best.
I see your point but experience doesn't really mean anything in comics. It should but it doesn't. Karate Kid, for example, is 16 years old and better than everyone.

Soujaboy
KK is good, but he's not better than Champion

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
KK is good, but he's not better than Champion

What feat has Champion accomplished that puts him on the level of KK? Other then the fact that it was mentioned that he has like billions of years of experience fighting, he hasn't demonstrated it at all. I mean, he got his ribs broken by Thing.

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I was just naming some characters, imo these are the best

Champion

KK

Thanos

Let me think of some others think ? id never expect for you to say that laughing

He-guy88
Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, she does have a slight degree of TP.

thank u so u see she and dd have powers

Soujaboy
Because he has to job, but on these boards he doesn't have to.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
think ? id never expect for you to say that laughing

Read a comic? i'm still waiting for you to accomplish that feat.. big grin

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Because he has to job, but on these boards he doesn't have to.

Give me a feat of Champion's that puts him on the level of KK.

Milkie
Taskmaster...

All he has to do is spy on any fighter with a video camera then bam!! It's all over... all over...

Validus
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Because he has to job, but on these boards he doesn't have to.
That's why KK is the best. He never has jobbed. You'll never see him get owned by someone like She-Hulk with a few weeks training.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by batdude123
Give me a feat of Champion's that puts him on the level of KK.

I can't. All I can tell you is what the comics tells me. Since the beginning of the universe Champion has trained in every physical art. He only used his power primordia(not sure if thats the corect spelling)l to train his physical body.

Thats all I can tell ya

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Read a comic? i'm still waiting for you to accomplish that feat.. big grin im still waiting for you to grow up and get a life cause your life at the moment is shitty i can see. but blame that on mommy and daddy. laughing

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can't. All I can tell you is what the comics tells me. Since the beginning of the universe Champion has trained in every physical art. He only used his power primordia(not sure if thats the corect spelling)l to train his physical body.

Thats all I can tell ya exactly thats all. you can never give a full response back big grin

batdude123
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can't. All I can tell you is what the comics tells me. Since the beginning of the universe Champion has trained in every physical art. He only used his power primordia(not sure if thats the corect spelling)l to train his physical body.

Thats all I can tell ya

And yet he shows absolutely no iota of fighting ability. erm I'm sorry but I absolutely would not put him above KK in terms of his feats.

He-guy88
Darkwing duck owns all of them big grin

diabloman
Originally posted by He-guy88
Darkwing duck owns all of them big grin naw captain hook knocks out darkwing big grin

Darth Martin
Karate Kid

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
naw captain hook knocks out darkwing big grin

i know u just dident go their evil face

Validus
Darkwing was a total loser.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
im still waiting for you to grow up and get a life cause your life at the moment is shitty i can see. but blame that on mommy and daddy. laughing

My life's shitty, yet you cant even afford a $2.50 comic book? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Accel
Originally posted by batdude123
And yet he shows absolutely no iota of fighting ability. erm I'm sorry but I absolutely would not put him above KK in terms of his feats.
I have to agree. The guy SHOULD be a great fighter (with billions of years fighting and all), but he has done NOTHING impressive since his debut.

He's been b!tchslapped by Thanos like an ugly step-child and She-Hulk owned him like he owed her money. Until he actually does something impressive skill-wise, I would have to say he didn't train very hard at all for the past millenniums.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
exactly thats all. you can never give a full response back big grin

What are you talking about?

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
My life's shitty, yet you cant even afford a $2.50 comic book? roll eyes (sarcastic) ive got some a little more than that pall. and i believe you if u have some books that costs some bucks cause your a little spoiled brat of course.

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What are you talking about? you know what big grin dont play stupid. well thats being yourself so thats fine i guess. runs in the family laughing

He-guy88
Originally posted by Validus
Darkwing was a total loser.

maybe he is but hes a bad ass loeser so their and if not him then the guys from tale spin comes to his aid

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Accel
I have to agree. The guy SHOULD be a great fighter (with billions of years fighting and all), but he has done NOTHING impressive since his debut.

He's been b!tchslapped by Thanos like an ugly step-child and She-Hulk owned him like he owed her money. Until he actually does something impressive skill-wise, I would have to say he didn't train very hard at all for the past millenniums.

I do agree; KK has a lot more feats than Champion, but Champion SHOULD be the best. His feats so far say otherwise, so I have no choice but to agree with you.

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I do agree; KK has a lot more feats than Champion, but Champion SHOULD be the best. His feats so far say otherwise, so I have no choice but to agree with you. laughing laughing laughing smart mouth here actually agrees with somone ? man whats going on with the world

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
you know what big grin dont play stupid. well thats being yourself so thats fine i guess. runs in the family laughing

I'm stupid, yet you still cant form a comprehensive sentence.

Tell me, if your so intelligent why can't you afford to buy any comics? confused

ST0RM SHAD0W
Originally posted by batdude123
1. Karate Kid
2. Champion
3. Batman 1 Million
4. Batgirl (Cass)
5. Richard Dragon
6. Lady Shiva
7. Karnak
8. Taskmaster
9. Connor Hawke
10. Bronze Tiger

etc....

WTF?

You put those 4 over Taskmaster?laughing

He-guy88
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm stupid, yet you still cant form a comprehensive sentence.

Tell me, if your so intelligent why can't you afford to buy any comics? confused

im not getting into this argument or anything but wat the h311
is intelligence got to do with byeing comics

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
laughing laughing laughing smart mouth he actually agrees with somone ? man whats going on with the world

I just can't seem to agree with you, it's probably because you have little to no comic knowledge. sad

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm stupid, yet you still cant form a comprehensive sentence.

Tell me, if your so intelligent why can't you afford to buy any comics? confused ive bought many. a hell lot more than you brat. like i said lastnight get mommy and daddy to take u to the comicbook store more often. or maybe your still grounded for being a bad boy in school laughing

He-guy88
BURN eek! eek! eek!

Soujaboy
Originally posted by He-guy88
im not getting into this argument or anything but wat the h311
is intelligence got to do with byeing comics

If he had graduated from school, he could have got a job.

No job= no comics

He-guy88
Originally posted by Soujaboy
If he had graduated from school, he could have got a job.

No job= no comics

not true iv seen people that quit high school and make a hole lot more money then collage grads so u should think about that

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
If he had graduated from school, he could have got a job.

No job= no comics ive gotten plenty of book here pal. i go every once in a while to get some. i dont go everyday to get one cause i can tell your a little spoiled brat and mommy and daddy take u where ever you want to go.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
ive bought many. a hell lot more than you brat. like i said lastnight get mommy and daddy to take u to the comicbook store more often. or maybe your still grounded for being a bad boy in school laughing

Maybe I'm grounded for bangin your mom eek!

If you have so many comics, why are you always asking others for info? confused

diabloman
Originally posted by He-guy88
not true iv seen people that quit high school and make a hole lot more money then collage grads so u should think about that i just finished highschool and im gonna get a job when i come back home. you can tell by his lame jokes and mouth that hes still in middle school

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Maybe I'm grounded for bangin your mom eek!

If you have so many comics, why are you always asking others for info? confused for proof when there saying something about another character

He-guy88
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Maybe I'm grounded for bangin your mom eek!

If you have so many comics, why are you always asking others for info? confused

this fight is point less d knows his comics look up pyro vs ht i may dissagree with him but he made some good points now for sboy u seem to know about comics but u both have to prove it before it can be stated true (not saying netheir of u have not proved something one way or another)

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Maybe I'm grounded for bangin your mom eek!

If you have so many comics, why are you always asking others for info? confused aww your BF ditched u so your trying to go with others mothers now. and like u said before you just live with your mother. well that proves that your mother is screwed up cause daddy ditched the hooker im sure laughing laughing

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
i just finished highschool and im gonna get a job when i come back home. you can tell by his lame jokes and mouth that hes still in middle school

yeah im getting me a job as soon as summer ofishaly starts

Soujaboy
What don't I prove? confused

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
aww your BF ditched u so your trying to go with others mothers now. and like u said before you just live with your mother. well that proves that your mother is screwed up cause daddy ditched the hooker im sure laughing laughing

i dont know if u guys r jokeing or not but u can get kicked off for this

diabloman
Originally posted by He-guy88
yeah im getting me a job as soon as summer ofishaly starts thats good

He-guy88
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What don't I prove? confused

if ur talking to me then u realy need to read all the way to the end of wat people r writeing

diabloman
Originally posted by He-guy88
if ur talking to me then u realy need to read all the way to the end of wat people r writeing ty glad somone here sees his brain how it works. if he has one

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
thats good

yeah i was last summer but i was busy with doing work for my grandmother

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
aww your BF ditched u so your trying to go with others mothers now. and like u said before you just live with your mother. well that proves that your mother is screwed up cause daddy ditched the hooker im sure laughing laughing

That was a good one eek!

The sad thing is....... My mother is alone and is still more stable than you. I've never known my mother as a grown Woman to sit at a computer and argue with a child. wink

diabloman
Originally posted by He-guy88
yeah i was last summer but i was busy with doing work for my grandmother better start sending in applications now fast and after so long they dont accept them anymore

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
That was a good one eek!

The sad thing is....... My mother is alone and is still more stable than you. I've never known my mother as a grown Woman to sit at a computer and argue with a child. wink i wonder why shes an alone woman laughing

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
ty glad somone here sees his brain how it works. if he has one

We already found out that you probably haven't ever picked up a comic in your life. embarrasment

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
better start sending in applications now fast and after so long they dont accept them anymore

yeah im going to start doing so soon id like to get on at a comic store or somewere like that but i dont think that would be enough money in it

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
i wonder why shes an alone woman laughing

I could ask you the same thing wink

She has a bf, but that doesn't mean he's my father

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
We already found out that you probably haven't ever picked up a comic in your life. embarrasment have plenty more than you pal i can tell by your knowledge. i take that pal back

Soujaboy
You can tell by my knowledge? You said that Ironman couldn't lift close to 100 tons, and you talk about what I know? laughing

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
have plenty more than you pal i can tell by your knowledge. i take that pal back

my collection consists of over 300 spiderman 100 gls a series and a half of aquaman about 20 venoms a few ghost rider,f4,jla,jsa,superboy it goes on forever

diabloman
Originally posted by Soujaboy
You can tell by my knowledge? You said that Ironman couldn't lift close to 100 tons, and you talk about what I know? laughing smile you still believe he can lift 100 tons ? you crack me up i swear

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
smile you still believe he can lift 100 tons ? you crack me up i swear

My point exactly big grin

Tell me why Ironman has a lv 6 in strength in Marvel handbooks? confused

ST0RM SHAD0W
Originally posted by diabloman
smile you still believe he can lift 100 tons ? you crack me up i swear


He can, he just has to power up before he does it.

He-guy88
dont know if this helps with ironman fight or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man

diabloman
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He can, he just has to power up before he does it. he means with his hands no armor. he was saying lastnight a 100 times hes class 100 without his armor. hes retarted if he believes that

Soujaboy
Originally posted by diabloman
he means with his hands no armor. he was saying lastnight a 100 times hes class 100 without his armor. hes retarted if he believes that

You know as well as I do that I didn't say that. I said that his armor is now a part of his body, but by no means could he lift it alone.

He-guy88
Originally posted by diabloman
he means with his hands no armor. he was saying lastnight a 100 times hes class 100 without his armor. hes retarted if he believes that

well thats messed up cause Ironman without his armor would be human id like to see a human do that

batdude123
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
WTF?

You put those 4 over Taskmaster?laughing

What's wrong with my list? confused

ST0RM SHAD0W
Originally posted by batdude123
What's wrong with my list? confused


Taskmasters better then them.

batdude123
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Taskmasters better then them.

Not really. no He's where he should be.

ST0RM SHAD0W
Originally posted by batdude123
Not really. no He's where he should be.


Actually yes really.

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