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Seeing as how a few people believe Slade tagging a flash is not Pis, I am posting this. And yes the speed force is still here so no comments on the speed force being gone. I will check this later

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Seeing as how a few people believe Slade tagging a flash is not Pis, I am posting this. And yes the speed force is still here so no comments on the speed force being gone. I will check this later

im not gonna comment then

Does Slade get prep?

With Prep, Slade wins it.

Without Prep, its very very close, but Flash takes it

this topic makes me a sad panda

Well if this is a well written Flash there answer is Flash.
But the problem is he is never written well the way most fans want.
If you go by a normal Flash then Slade has already shown that he cab react.

Originally posted by Black Adam
this topic makes me a sad panda Dude every thread with slade, people have stated " So he tagged a flash then hes definitely going to win". I just want to put that little statement to bed.

three scenarios
One- they have a regular meeting
two- Slade gets two days prep
three- he gets a few days.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude every thread with slade, people have stated " So he tagged a flash then hes definitely going to win". I just want to put that little statement to bed.

three scenarios
One- they have a regular meeting
two- Slade gets two days prep
three- he gets a few days. your being narrow minded on this satement big sexy b/c Slade did not only tag Flash in that one he has also tagged Wally when he was Kid-Flash before so he has done it a few more times then just once.
I'm gonna say it now that Well written Flash should be just below cosmic level along the lines of Odin or Zeus status if you think about the nature of what his power emplies.
But he isn't. No prep Slade has been shown to be able to keep up for the first few seconds in that time he could put Flash down but I would say Flash 7/10 this doesn't mean though that Slade still isn't quite fast in reaction time.
If Prep I will most like give the clear majority to Slade 8-9/10 because he can see wally and with a well placed trap he could take away any advantages Flash has.

This forum is going down the gutter.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude every thread with slade, people have stated " So he tagged a flash then hes definitely going to win". I just want to put that little statement to bed.

three scenarios
One- they have a regular meeting
two- Slade gets two days prep
three- he gets a few days.

Then it goes like this.....
1.Flash
2.DS
3.DS

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude every thread with slade, people have stated " So he tagged a flash then hes definitely going to win". I just want to put that little statement to bed.

three scenarios
One- they have a regular meeting
two- Slade gets two days prep
three- he gets a few days.

Slade loses all in all three cases shitty writing aside.
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050629054718

Wow, I can't believe street-levelers like DS are now being compared to the god-like abilities of Flash. Val is right, this forum is going down the gutter.

batdude I fully agree with you. I have seen quite a few people who believe slade can take a flash. I have some flash comics but I can't lay it out as thick as others can. I posted this so those people can see that it was Pis. However in the end they will probably disagree.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
batdude I fully agree with you. I have seen quite a few people who believe slade can take a flash. I have some flash comics but I can't lay it out as thick as others can. I posted this so those people can see that it was Pis. However in the end they will probably disagree. Before you throw out the word PIS it means the that people were dumbed down to make something that shouldn't happen possible which happens to flash all the time and not just with DS.

Ds has on numerous occasions with the Flash family been able to react to those speeds. While in a straight up fight Slade could maybe get 1 or 2 at the most 3 wins he will loose the clear majority.
With Prep Slade is a master at this and I think this will give him the advantage and gain the majority of wins.

While on paper and his states he appears to be street level he is about as street level as Lex Luther. Even though the comic mechanics behind it are wrong with the brain power Slade is supposed to have he would be crazy intelligent and as many villians have shown that is not something to over look.

ive read on one of these foroms that flash could make thanos blow up(bullshit) but then people turn around and say that slade could beat him.wow.

Originally posted by branhole
ive read on one of these foroms that flash could make thanos blow up(bullshit) but then people turn around and say that slade could beat him.wow. A well written Flash using all of his abilities would be at the very least a very, very high level herald but I would put him up there Thanos without a doubt probably a little higher. The Problem he is hardly written at that point.

Also the question isn't whether Slade can out right beat Flash everyone knows or should know Flash takes the clear majority. The question is whether Slade can keep up. Which DC has shown on a number occassions to be yes. While Slade can't keep up in foot speed. His reaction time is up with Flash. What is reaction the ability for the brain to take in information and process it. Which Slade has a very enhanced brain and even though the way the comics explained is wrong what is implied is that he should be able to keep up in Flash like Reaction.

higher than thanos. i didnt think he was higher than supes, jeez

how much faster is he than the speed of light?

Flash has never used his full speed in a Slade fight. Not one time. Going by forum rules means Wally or Bart or Jay or whoever is fighting at optimum level. Any straight up fight would look something like this.

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/5617/outsiders036page062ik.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6651/outsiders036page078ke.th.jpg

Or likely worse since that speedster was only Quicksilver level. Slade to Wally is nothing but the Worlds Smartest Statue.

When tapping into the speed force he can pull out some crazy powers. Such as the ability to drain kinetic energy slwoing down people. The ability to time Travel which that in itself is basically a godly power. He can cause acceralte and put infinite mass behind his punches which just physics behind that alone would put him at least on Odin Level Energy Manipulation. He can pretty much be anywhere at any place at anytime that is how fast he could be.
He can also vibrate his molecules so fast that he could run through someone unleshing enough enrgy in the process to break the person's very atomic structure apart.

Originally posted by Validus
Flash has never used his full speed in a Slade fight. Not one time. Going by forum rules means Wally or Bart or Jay or whoever is fighting at optimum level. Any straight up fight would look something like this.

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/5617/outsiders036page062ik.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6651/outsiders036page078ke.th.jpg

Or likely worse since that speedster was only Quicksilver level. Slade to Wally is nothing but the Worlds Smartest Statue.

id say its wally cause theirs a speed force in this tread so wally would be the fastest

Originally posted by Validus
Flash has never used his full speed in a Slade fight. Not one time. Going by forum rules means Wally or Bart or Jay or whoever is fighting at optimum level. Any straight up fight would look something like this.

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/5617/outsiders036page062ik.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6651/outsiders036page078ke.th.jpg

Or likely worse since that speedster was only Quicksilver level. Slade to Wally is nothing but the Worlds Smartest Statue. Your confusing Reaction (Movement) with Speed. Speed is the ability to overcome its own inertia and propel itself forward. Flash since he can call upon the speedforce can bring in more enrgy to do this task.
Movement is another animal. Movement is the ability for the Brain to take in information and tell the body what to do. This is why Slade can react fast enough to see the Flash or at least in the comics mechanics could.

Originally posted by newjak86
Your confusing Reaction (Movement) with Speed. Speed is the ability to overcome its own inertia and propel itself forward. Flash since he can call upon the speedforce can bring in more enrgy to do this task.
Movement is another animal. Movement is the ability for the Brain to take in information and tell the body what to do. This is why Slade can react fast enough to see the Flash or at least in the comics mechanics could.
So? What reaction feat does Slade have on par with Bart Allen reading an entire library worth of books in 20 minutes? Or Wally processing as fast as an 853rd century super computer?

Originally posted by Validus
So? What reaction feat does Slade have on par with Bart Allen reading an entire library worth of books in 20 minutes?

nice sig man

yeah why dont you write your comments in when they got thanos beating tyrant when you wanna talk about bad writing.

Originally posted by Validus
So? What reaction feat does Slade have on par with Bart Allen reading an entire library worth of books in 20 minutes? Or Wally processing as fast as an 853rd century super computer? The feat is his ability to keep up with Flash just like some people's strength are only shown through fighting other strong people.
Plus DS has been stated to be able to take in a battle situation and see every possible outcome instantly that is a great idea on his ability to take in information and process it.

Slade wins via CIS

I wonder... why is Deathstroke such a bad mofo?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I wonder... why is Deathstroke such a bad mofo? te fact he has just enough physical states to be helpful. He has really good weaponary to help him. He can process information really fast which is belive it a very important ability to have if the only thing keeping from being destroyed is if you can quickly come up with a plan and execute to perfection.
And a little CIS doesn't hurt either.

Originally posted by newjak86
The feat is his ability to keep up with Flash just like some people's strength are only shown through fighting other strong people.

A Flash who is moving slow enough to see bombs detonate and completely explode, side step them and get impaled on a sword. A feat which directly contradicts this event along with Wally's other feats.

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg028eh.jpg

Wouldn't this feat automatically prove that Flash was nowhere near his top speed in Identity Crisis?

This is the equivalent of saying Batman has the durability to hang with Superman based on their past encounters.

Originally posted by newjak86
Plus DS has been stated to be able to take in a battle situation and see every possible outcome instantly that is a great idea on his ability to take in information and process it.

Slade has been described as having a computer brain. Wally has actively kept pace with a 853rd century super computer.

no slade wins via having been upgraded so many darn times no CIS or PIS is needed.

Originally posted by Mider
yeah why dont you write your comments in when they got thanos beating tyrant when you wanna talk about bad writing.

when did anyone say thanos beat tyrant ever. and is flash faster than gladiators 100x lightspeed.

KMC is probably the only board I've seen where people can possibly advocate this. It's called plot induced stupidity. Flash had every possible reason to go all out on Slade after what Dr. Light taunting yet get's dumbed down along with GL.

Originally posted by Mider
no slade wins via having been upgraded so many darn times no CIS or PIS is needed.

He was only upgraded once.

Originally posted by Validus
A Flash who is moving slow enough to see bombs detonate and completely explode, side step them and get impaled on a sword. A feat which directly contradicts this event along with Wally's other feats.

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg028eh.jpg

Wouldn't this feat automatically prove that Flash was nowhere near his top speed in Identity Crisis?

This is the equivalent of saying Batman has the durability to hang with Superman based on their past encounters.



Slade has been described as having a computer brain. Wally has actively kept pace with a 853rd century super computer. That is valid point on that one encounter. What about the other ones where Slade has managed to keep up with a Flash.

Yes a computer brain but how powerful of a computer huh. A simple staement like that can't be taken at face value. Its like someone has unlimited power despite their being someone who is stronger. There can't be two unlimited at the same time as unlimited means just that infinite. But many chracters are decribed this way.

The feats themselves show us how to imply these statements.

Does normal Flash ever exceed lightspeed without going into the speedforce?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Does normal Flash ever exceed lightspeed without going into the speedforce?
Wally can control whether or not he goes into the speedforce.

Originally posted by newjak86
That is valid point on that one encounter. What about the other ones where Slade has managed to keep up with a Flash.


What other times? When he shot Bart in the knee he waited until Bart stopped and hit him with a tranquilizer. Later Bart was moving at such a speed to have a normal conversation with Robin. We've seen Flashes have conversations amongst themselves and other super fast heroes at explicitly stated super speed. I can't think of any other times but I'm sure they all involved CIS on the Flashes part.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yes a computer brain but how powerful of a computer huh. A simple staement like that can't be taken at face value. Its like someone has unlimited power despite their being someone who is stronger. There can't be two unlimited at the same time as unlimited means just that infinite. But many chracters are decribed this way.

The feats themselves show us how to imply these statements.
The feats do speak for themselves and Slade has no close to lightspeed feats, period. The closest is the time he reacted fast enough see Superman's heat vision racing towards him. He was still blasted into the wall by it though. Heat vision was proven to be slower than a non full speed Flash in The Flash #209.

Originally posted by Validus
The feats do speak for themselves and Slade has no close to lightspeed feats, period. The closest is the time he reacted fast enough see Superman's heat vision racing towards him. He was still blasted into the wall by it though. Yes he can't run at lightspeed.
What does that feat tell you he turned saw an energy attack moving how fast and processed what it was before it hit him. If he had Flashes SPEED he could have avoided it then and there. His reaction time though was able to see it.
Its just like when he got speed blitzed by Kid-Flash he got hit and then he his brain registered it and what happened he countered and then Kid-Flash couldn't do anything.

Lets just say he DOES touch him...whats he gonna do?
Flash can just:
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashheal16ph.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashheal27dm.jpg


and Flashs processing speeds:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg062ak.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv280pggiant02436vb.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv280pggiant02450fz.jpg

he could always just do this:
http://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash145p126dw.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash145p135uf.jpg

or...just steal his speed:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2180part1ironheights378d.jpg

Originally posted by Validus
Wally can control whether or not he goes into the speedforce.



What other times? When he shot Bart in the knee he waited until Bart stopped and hit him with a tranquilizer. Later Bart was moving at such a speed to have a normal conversation with Robin. We've seen Flashes have conversations amongst themselves and other super fast heroes at explicitly stated super speed. I can't think of any other times but I'm sure they all involved CIS on the Flashes part.

When has he exceeded lightspeed without going into the speedforce? I've never seen him do it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Lets just say he DOES touch him...whats he gonna do?
Flash can just:
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashheal16ph.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashheal27dm.jpg


and Flashs processing speeds:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg062ak.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv280pggiant02436vb.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv280pggiant02450fz.jpg

he could always just do this:
http://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash145p126dw.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash145p135uf.jpg

or...just steal his speed:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2180part1ironheights378d.jpg That first one is so cool.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yes he can't run at lightspeed.
What does that feat tell you he turned saw an energy attack moving how fast and processed what it was before it hit him.

Actually what that feat tells me is that he wasn't fast enough to move away from an energy that not only isn't 1% as fast as Flash at full speed but only barely saw it coming in the first place. So how does he plan to beat Flash if he can't move fast enough?

Originally posted by newjak86
Its just like when he got speed blitzed by Kid-Flash he got hit and then he his brain registered it and what happened he countered and then Kid-Flash couldn't do anything.
Yes, a Kid Flash who was having a conversation with Robin. Normal, human Tim Drake.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Lets just say he DOES touch him...whats he gonna do?
Flash can just:
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashheal16ph.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashheal27dm.jpg


and Flashs processing speeds:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg062ak.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv280pggiant02436vb.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv280pggiant02450fz.jpg

he could always just do this:
http://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash145p126dw.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash145p135uf.jpg

or...just steal his speed:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2180part1ironheights378d.jpg Did I not state earlier that if well written Flash should dominate almost anyone he comes up.
I was taking the normal Flash and even then admitted that Slade would not take the the majority at all. He would be lucky to get 2/10 wins. But he has shown the ability to register and process those speeds.

If CIS counts, Flash will lose. If not, he wins.

Originally posted by newjak86
Did I not state earlier that if well written Flash should dominate almost anyone he comes up.
I was taking the normal Flash and even then admitted that Slade would not take the the majority at all. He would be lucky to get 2/10 wins. But he has shown the ability to register and process those speeds.
So you agree Slade can only beat Flash when he is moving at low Mach speeds which by definition would be CIS on Wally's end?

Any instances of Flash traveling faster than light that either of you can think of?

even wolverine slade spiderman and capt vs flash they would never win once out of 100 fights.

Originally posted by Validus
Actually what that feat tells me is that he wasn't fast enough to move away from an energy that not only isn't 1% as fast as Flash at full speed but only barely saw it coming in the first place. So how does he plan to beat Flash if he can't move fast enough?


Yes, a Kid Flash who was having a conversation with Robin. Normal, human Tim Drake. and that means what exactly in the relam of things.
Are you saying that he couldn't possibly be able to talk at normal speeds if he going really fast. That would also imply though that he wasn't trying against Slade and genreally against people trying to hurt you, you aren't going to hold back enough to give them a chance.

scratch that....ask val if he knows CC

Originally posted by Validus
So you agree Slade can only beat Flash when he is moving at low Mach speeds which by definition would be CIS on Wally's end?
If he uses all his Speed Force powers, even a Mach speed Flash will beat Slade.

Flash would have to let him win the way he does in comics.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If he uses all his Speed Force powers, even a Mach speed Flash will beat Slade.

Flash would have to let him win the way he does in comics.
Thank you CC. This is all I'm trying to prove here.

Originally posted by Validus
So you agree Slade can only beat Flash when he is moving at low Mach speeds which by definition would be CIS on Wally's end? No what I'm saying is if Slade is looking at him he can register a Flashes Speed for the first few moments which he has shown. It is in this time frame that Slade as a possible chance at winning. After that I don't care how much Info Slade can take the ability for a Flash to get from point A to point B is just to great for anyone to follow.

Originally posted by newjak86
and that means what exactly in the relam of things.
Are you saying that he couldn't possibly be able to talk at normal speeds if he going really fast. That would also imply though that he wasn't trying against Slade and genreally against people trying to hurt you, you aren't going to hold back enough to give them a chance.
Holding back is a daily part of being a comic book superhero. Don't see how that comes as a surprise.

Originally posted by Validus
Thank you CC. This is all I'm trying to prove here.
You're very welcome.

Originally posted by Validus
Holding back is a daily part of being a comic book superhero. Don't see how that comes as a surprise.

This is so true.

Originally posted by Validus
Holding back is a daily part of being a comic book superhero. Don't see how that comes as a surprise. It is true but not to the point that a superhero will put their own well being in danger if they can end a fight early without loss of life.

Originally posted by newjak86
It is true but not to the point that a superhero will put their own well being in danger if they can end a fight early without loss of life.
If that was the case Flash would have killed his whole rogues gallery 20 years ago.

Has the Flash ever gone past lightspeed without going into the Speedforce or time traveling? I've asked for proof of this a billion times in my 2 year tenure on this board, and I've never got it.

Can he really do it?

Originally posted by Validus
If that was the case Flash would have killed his whole rogues gallery 20 years ago. Not kill but if you have enough speed to avoid someone with ease then why not use it if you don't get hit you don't get hurt and he doesn't die thats the point. He didn't have to kill Slade just go behind him tie him up before he ever knew what happened if possessed the speed to do so.

Can anyone provide proof that Flash can run faster than light without going into the speed force?

From what I've seen, he can't. Have I been being lied to?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Can anyone provide proof that Flash can run faster than light without going into the speed force?

What do you mean by going into the speed force? Wally can still interact with physical space when he's inside it. Juntai has a scan of Wally hitting lightspeed and touching Reverse Flash with a vibration punch.

Originally posted by Validus
What do you mean by going into the speed force? Wally can still interact with physical space when he's inside it. Juntai has a scan of Wally hitting lightspeed and touching Reverse Flash with a vibration punch.

I thought he goes in to the Speed Force dimension and comes out after he slows down a bit.

That's what he did when he used the infinite mass punch.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I thought he goes in to the Speed Force dimension and comes out after he slows down a bit.

That's what he did when he used the infinite mass punch.
Here's the one I'm talking about.

http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2148022rg.jpg

Then theres the time he and Zoom went around the Earth millions of times fighting each other undetectable to even Superman.

Excuse me, dozen of times.

http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2200page215gf.jpg

What issue is that

DS won't ever beat Flash fairly. It's impossible.

there is no way he can win. flash vibrates his head off.

Originally posted by branhole
there is no way he can win. flash vibrates his head off.
That's so friggin' hot...

But, yeah...Slade can't beat THE Flash.

Kid Flash? Yes, a few times.

Dammnit, I am getting tired of DS's ability to make everyone around him suck.

Flash wins this fight every single time. With very little effort.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
What issue is that
Flash #200. I think its collected in Flast: Blitz