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this will be the battel icey vs hot

Hmmm...is 'current' ice-man the Blair Wind iceman, or has he been depowered at all?

If not, then it is most assuredly a close battle (that has been done before).

If it is the human-snowball thrower, then it is OBVIOUSLY the Torch.

iceman forms the Torches greatest weakness out of ice.

the beer bottle

bejay

that's how new york gets down.........

mmm i likey chunnky

stale. torch could keep frying iceman, but he'd reform from water/gas, and iceman can't even phase HT's fire.

Originally posted by Black Adam
iceman forms the Torches greatest weakness out of ice.

the beer bottle

Yeah I never really understood that

Seriously Torch has taken beatings from Hulk, Thing, ect..

and yet getting hit on the head with a bear bottle KO's him?

Current Ice is not as powerful as he once was, so yeah stalemate.

says who? show me him being "depowered" all he lost was his secondary mutation....

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yeah I never really understood that

Seriously Torch has taken beatings from Hulk, Thing, ect..

and yet getting hit on the head with a bear bottle KO's him?

maybe he's more vulnerable in human form.

Don't read f4 so I don't really know.

Originally posted by Black Adam
maybe he's more vulnerable in human form.

Don't read f4 so I don't really know.

Not that I know of

I mean his regular form is the same as his flame form.

both iceman and HT are immune to fire and ice while in human form.

One curiosity: is the Torch MADE of flame in his flame form, or simply bathed in it? If the latter, I'm sure his HUMAN body would still have to have water in it to function, seeing as he doesn't simply evaporate 125 pounds every time he transforms....

If so, couldn't this be a quick fight, with Iceman just freezing Torch's inside, rather than trying to combat his outside?

Well if im not mistaken cant iceman teleport. If he van teleport he can keep on just teleporting behind ht and hitting him with icebeams. Also iceman will be able to take human torch for a while siince he can just rebuild himelf. I think itt will be a draw to since if iceman did freeze him ht would just melt out.

Originally posted by Soljer
One curiosity: is the Torch MADE of flame in his flame form, or simply bathed in it? If the latter, I'm sure his HUMAN body would still have to have water in it to function, seeing as he doesn't simply evaporate 125 pounds every time he transforms....

If so, couldn't this be a quick fight, with Iceman just freezing Torch's inside, rather than trying to combat his outside?

Thats debatable as Iceman may not be able to do that anymore?

Although iceman could freeze him and really quickly shatter him with ice spikes.

Originally posted by drwerwer
Well if im not mistaken cant iceman teleport. If he van teleport he can keep on just teleporting behind ht and hitting him with icebeams. Also iceman will be able to take human torch for a while siince he can just rebuild himelf. I think itt will be a draw to since if iceman did freeze him ht would just melt out.

True, but Torch can go Nova and THAT would evaporate any moisture that Iceman controls in the area

Originally posted by Grimm22
Thats debatable as Iceman may not be able to do that anymore?


please tell me where he got this myth of a depowerment?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
please tell me where he got this myth of a depowerment?

Um, House of M

Originally posted by Soljer
One curiosity: is the Torch MADE of flame in his flame form, or simply bathed in it? If the latter, I'm sure his HUMAN body would still have to have water in it to function, seeing as he doesn't simply evaporate 125 pounds every time he transforms....

If so, couldn't this be a quick fight, with Iceman just freezing Torch's inside, rather than trying to combat his outside? to answer the first part of that, it's comics, so they can do what they want, and make science fictional. Same reason superman gets so many fuqin stupid powers.

5/10 iceman

Originally posted by Grimm22
Um, House of M


uh house of M? what about it? after "No more mutants" he still had his powers....he just lost his secondary mutation. Any evidence to prove otherwise?

Originally posted by Grimm22
True, but Torch can go Nova and THAT would evaporate any moisture that Iceman controls in the area

Why does no one understand this? Bobby can control liquid, solid, and gaseous H2O. Evaporation is not a method to his defeat. He could simply re-condense the vapor in the area into water, or, if he chose, sublimate the gas straight into ice.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
uh house of M? what about it? after "No more mutants" he still had his powers....he just lost his secondary mutation. Any evidence to prove otherwise?

Of course he SHOULD have lost his powers, but Marvel pulled a copout and undid the big shock factor of House of M #8

Originally posted by Soljer
Why does no one understand this? Bobby can control liquid, solid, and gaseous H2O. Evaporation is not a method to his defeat. He could simply re-condense the vapor in the area into water, or, if he chose, sublimate the gas straight into ice.

Well thats just silly

Thats because everyone had a fit when they did that. And to me it makes sense that his secondary mutation was taken away (its like he had two powers, and only one of them was "deleted"

I don't think any omega mutants lost their powers, did they?

Iceman.

look who you are taking bad to, Superman can take this Two guys in no time, but for the moment HT wins because of super Nova

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=makesrain5fe.jpg owned!!!

Originally posted by magneto1992
look who you are taking bad to, Superman can take this Two guys in no time, but for the moment HT wins because of super Nova

Iceman manipulates Torch's blood in seconds. Even in his early X-Factor days Iceman faired very well against firey opponents.

Iceman, even current, still kicks Torch's ass.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Iceman manipulates Torch's blood in seconds. Even in his early X-Factor days Iceman faired very well against firey opponents. Yeah there was this one alien girl that had a firey form that Iceman snuffed by containing her in ice. and as she'd start to melt the inside he'd replace the outside until she had depleted all of the oxygen and her flames could no longer be sustained.

another stupid thread Fire melts Ice dont u guys listen to ur science teacher?

Gee skippy Im glad comic book science is soooo much different then

Originally posted by JohnnyDo3
another stupid thread Fire melts Ice dont u guys listen to ur science teacher?

Fire melts ice and what is it that firemen use to put out fires? Water is it?

Too bad it isnt that easy in the comics ehh? Theres much more to it than melting ice to beat Iceman. Visit his respect thread and get educated.

preach teacher!

I wonder if Johnnydo is a sock, or if he is serious. He has been propagating idiocy all around threads lately.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Fire melts ice and what is it that firemen use to put out fires? Water is it?

Too bad it isnt that easy in the comics ehh? Theres much more to it than melting ice to beat Iceman. Visit his respect thread and get educated. owned!!

Originally posted by Lethal_Rise
owned!!! owned to the maxumum

ice man kills him in 1,2,3.

in bloodlust iceman would be gone...he can survive a gaseous state...maybe not current...but getting hit with nova flame does not evaporate water it would turn his hydrogen molecules to helium...he would no longer have water molecules or DNA that contained his mutation

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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It's nice to know Iceman could beat Human Torch with a raincloud in the 60's.

Originally posted by Wynndar
in bloodlust iceman would be gone...he can survive a gaseous state...maybe not current...but getting hit with nova flame does not evaporate water it would turn his hydrogen molecules to helium...he would no longer have water molecules or DNA that contained his mutation

Tell that to the sentinals who thought they did the same, because to me this is evidence that he actually turns INTO a spread out concsiuisness with no DNA:

Sentinals are known for scanning and detecting mutants (even if they are spread out, if their is a mutant signature then they should detect them yes?) Then how come none of them Sentinals could detect Bobby right after they had "terminated" him:

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