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since Raven is so allegedly badass, who would win in a fight against these two, both full power? my vote's on apoc.

Raven. She's like DC's Dark Pheonix.

Apoc's the world's first mutant, and has done some incredible feats. Raven holds back too much to be strong.

Raven hits him with a table.

Cause she kills everybody i9f she went full-power.

Yeah but if we are taking about full power of apocalypse = power of the 4. And with that he can just leave Raven retarded or control her mind to kill her self, any attack will not hurt him becasuse of the healing power

Raven can heal herself too, and is very, very resistent to any form of telepathy.

He still got super speed so she will never touch him

Please, if we are talking about full powered Raven (Dark Raven), then there is no way for Apacolypse to win this one. Dark Raven 10/10.

Apocolypse = Overrated

Raven takes this one 10/10

Regular raven gets wrecked. There aren't any of Raven's friends around for her to go apeshit over if Apoc attacks them. She won't go all out otherwise. Apoc isn't overrated. He's just been given the "Rhino" treatment. See the Rhino disrespect thread for clarification. He's actually a pretty powerful guy, but he jobs so often. Raven is underated, but for good reason. If she just went dark raven all the time, the DC comics would be a very bad place to be.

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Regular raven gets wrecked. There aren't any of Raven's friends around for her to go apeshit over if Apoc attacks them. She won't go all out otherwise. Apoc isn't overrated. He's just been given the "Rhino" treatment. See the Rhino disrespect thread for clarification. He's actually a pretty powerful guy, but he jobs so often. Raven is underated, but for good reason. If she just went dark raven all the time, the DC comics would be a very bad place to be.

Agreed

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Regular raven gets wrecked. There aren't any of Raven's friends around for her to go apeshit over if Apoc attacks them. She won't go all out otherwise. Apoc isn't overrated. He's just been given the "Rhino" treatment. See the Rhino disrespect thread for clarification. He's actually a pretty powerful guy, but he jobs so often. Raven is underated, but for good reason. If she just went dark raven all the time, the DC comics would be a very bad place to be.

They are both at FULL power. This means that Raven would make Apacolypse her male b*tch.

Not necesserly

Originally posted by batdude123
They are both at FULL power. This means that Raven would make Apacolypse her male b*tch.

Then this becomes a pointless spite thread. Dark Raven can throw down with Phoenix. Apoc's drastically outclassed.

Originally posted by batdude123
They are both at FULL power. This means that Raven would make Apacolypse her male b*tch.

Then this becomes a pointless spite thread. Dark raven can throw down with phoenix. Apoc is way outclassed.

sorry for the repeat post. Computer went funny on me.

No Apocalypse is super fast so before she can do anything he cuts her head off that easy for Apocalypse

Originally posted by magneto1992
No Apocalypse is super fast so before she can do anything he cuts her head off that easy for Apocalypse

Dude, just stop right now. Dark Raven is on the Phoenix's level of power. Like I said before, she would make him her b*tch.

She is? ok......You win

how is she on pheonixes level, i agree she wins but she is on phoenixes level. that means she is as powerful as sphynctor.

Originally posted by branhole
how is she on pheonixes level, i agree she wins but she is on phoenixes level. that means she is as powerful as sphynctor.

I think she is on Phoneix level, not Dark Phoniex

umm... sphynctor means aashole

So Darkraven can hold the DCU earth 1 universe in her hands??
Fix an entire reality??
She alone can heal the most powerful abstract in her universe??

Whats DRavens biggest feat??

Cause the PF is the spark of creation...Was the one who made it, and one day will destroy it.......Raven stands next to her in the scope of things?

Originally posted by Whittdawg92
umm... sphynctor means aashole
i know.

Originally posted by UniOmni
So Darkraven can hold the DCU earth 1 universe in her hands??
Fix an entire reality??
She alone can heal the most powerful abstract in her universe??

Whats DRavens biggest feat??

Cause the PF is the spark of creation...Was the one who made it, and one day will destroy it.......Raven stands next to her in the scope of things? to answer all those questions...in a sense, yes.

that is hella lame, there is no hella way she would even aprouch that hella power.

this thread isn't even about phoenix, it's about Apocalypse.

*feels an Dark Phoenix vs Raven thread coming*

Originally posted by TheBadguy
*feels an Dark Phoenix vs Raven thread coming* felt right, I already made it.

Originally posted by Whittdawg92
to answer all those questions...in a sense, yes.

lol

Apocalypse wins.

Crossovers be damned, Raven doesn't regularly show Phoenix level power output.

This is a good fight for her though. She BFRs him.

Too many Apocalypse threads these days.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse wins. lol.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
lol.

lol at you thinking Raven can win this.

If Raven went that far bent with her dad adopted powers universes would be destroyed , and full chaotic devastation People have to understand that Trigon at full power at his own dimension level , is a tier 4 threat . People often see him as the "cheap prostitute of dc" , and rarely makes appearances . Trigon is a Spectre levelled villain , and can blink away universes making multi-universal (In his own dimension he will outclass many . Tier 1 Presence > Tier 2 Micheal > Tier 3>Thanos Ig >Thought Bot> Tier 4 Spectre >Trigon Parallax > Tier 5 Dimensional Imps (Just examples I cannot write every name of each strong character) A daughter of a Multiuniversal Demon is going to to be an overpowered character , but Raven is underestimated due to her pacifist like ways. She's is much like Jean the same bird just without the fire , and they have similar powers . The only thing that holds Raven back is her speed , and time she has dodged attacks from Superboy prime/ cyborg , but she is not fast by any means .(Unless she adopts a trait from her father).