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This is my first topic like this so forgive me if it isn't very good. I didn't see any topic like this when I used the search so I decided I would make it.

Alright the setting is on Dxun.

ahhh, one of my favorite characters versus someone i have never heard of.
Kar was as strong as he was without force training, and gosh windu was the most powerful of all goshs at force using.

Shimrra takes this...he's bigger, nastier and force powers won't mean a thing

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Shimrra takes this...he's bigger, nastier and force powers won't mean a thing
I agree .

well, who is Shimirra

The Yuzhann Vong Overlord. Only Luke Skywalker could defeat him.

oh
well... i guess he is powerful

Shimmra was incredible. Kyle or Kyp could have possibly defeated him.

Kyp couln't even beat Shimarra's slayers.

Is this in Dn or NJO

Shimmra PWNS.

Originally posted by Count Kent
Shimmra was incredible. Kyle or Kyp could have possibly defeated him.

I doubt that. Luke struggled terribly with Shimrra.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Shimmra PWNS.

I agree. This fight ends with a blast bug in Vastor's face.

Vastor gets eaten.

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
Is this in Dn or NJO

NJO

the only reason luke won was because shimmara pulled out a lightsaber. If he hadnt he would have suffocated luke.

If Shimrra hadn't pulled out the saber, he never would've trapped Luke

no it said that luke was holding on to the staff, but it was clearly crushing him.

After he blocked Shimrra's saber swing, which allowed Shim to use the Scepter of Power to catch Luke

yes but after he blocked it he pulled the saber from th e OL hands and killed him. the scepter didnt need to bite him. it could have just crushed him.

I never read anywhere in TUF where Onimi uses a lightsaber or fights Luke.

i was talking about Shimarra.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
I never read anywhere in TUF where Onimi uses a lightsaber or fights Luke.

Go read the last 6 posts.

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
Is this in Dn or NJO

Doesn't matter. Any form of Shimrra beats Kar Vastor.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
yes but after he blocked it he pulled the saber from th e OL hands and killed him. the scepter didnt need to bite him. it could have just crushed him.

We don't know that, as Kreia said, jedi can breath through the force, some who are powerfull can even last for days and weeks. He was also tired from the last battle... But anyway, Shimrra takes this easy.

I think it's different when you're being constricted by a MASSIVE SNAKE

and it isnt breathing that is the problem. he was getting crushed not choked. when his ribs break he will lose streangh very quickly and lose his grip on the snake.

Oh ok, I thought it only said suffocated.... Well still though, he had defeated a small army before it and many slayers, even though they might not be a very large match, fighting that many that fast is very, very exhausting.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
i was talking about Shimarra.
Shimarra is not the Supreme Over Lord

Yes he is. Officicially, he is. He was a puppet, but was the OFFICIAL supreme Overlord.
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Anyway, the cooler character wins (Shimmra)

For those of you who don't know, Kar is more powerful then Mace. He very well might defeat Shimrra.

No, when they fought with weapons Mace won. Kar only won the unarmed brawl. If Shimarra can compete with NJO Luke then he beats Kar.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
For those of you who don't know, Kar is more powerful then Mace. He very well might defeat Shimrra.

Not a chance. Kar is good and all, but this is someone that is more powerful on a far greater scale.

Shimrra was only able to compete with Luke AFTER Luke had fought through thousands of Yuuzhan Vong and had killed seven of the Elite Slayers. Even further, Shimrra had the dovin basals in the floor on his side. On even turf and rested, Luke would have pwned Shimrra with ease. I believe that Kar would stand a very, very good chance of defeat him.

Shimrra's much larger, much stronger, has a better arsenal, is, what, just as fast? Has living weaponry...Kar's dead

And Kar wouldn't have the advantage of the Force, nor is he in the jungle where he derives much of his power from.

Kar would have a hell of a time even penetrating Shimmras armor, however all Shimmra needs is one swipe of his amphistaff and Kar is reduced to two seperate pieces.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
For those of you who don't know, Kar is more powerful then Mace. He very well might defeat Shimrra.

Wrong again Glenny.

How is he wrong?

Kar is not stronger then Mace. That is just rediculous.

Of couse he is. Did you even read Shatterpoint?

Ooo, Ooo, I did! And at the end Mace beats Kar!

No Kar beats himself. All Mace does is dodge while Kar strikes at some machine (can't remember which)

So Kar could beat ROTS Sidious too? (I never read Shatterpoint)

Mace hurled a vibroshield at Kar actually

Originally posted by DePWNZOR
So Kar could beat ROTS Sidious too? (I never read Shatterpoint)
Probably. Mace says he (Kar) has as much power as Yoda or Annie.

Kar would not beat Sidious. Kar is a human, lightning should kill him.

No, your wrong, Blue_Hefner, me and Lightsnake are right. Evenb if Mace used Kar's power against him it's still valid, that's what Shatterpoint is, after all.

Originally posted by darthsith19
No, your wrong, Blue_Hefner, me and Lightsnake are right. Evenb if Mace used Kar's power against him it's still valid, that's what Shatterpoint is, after all.

I concur.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Mace hurled a vibroshield at Kar actually
Well it's been 3 years since I've read the book.

It said that Kar had as much potential as Yoda or something like that. I realized though that Kar's shields only stopped lightsabers because they were superconductive. That won't work against an amphistaff, hence, Shimrra wins, but only because of that reason.

BTW, tomorrow I leave for a week on vacation in Colorado, so I won't be on.

Or because Shimrra can grab Kar and tear him into pieces with his bare hands

No he can't. Kar is almost, if not just as strong as Shimrra.

Shimrra is an eight foot tall mass of muscle, bioengineered to be much stronger than his race when the intendant class is twice as strong as a full grown human being.

You were saying?

Kar is still ridiculously strong. Not only is he at the physical human peak, he is enhanced by the force.

Which is great. Yuuzhan Vong at prime physical peak always>>>>any human, especially one enhanced for years by shapers

Except Kar's enhancement by the force is greater then Shimmra's bioehancement. Mace stated that Kar had force power as high as Yoda's, just without the control. Kar is strong.

I'd LOVE to see your source for that, because Luke with his enhancing his strength via the force was just barely able to hold Shimrra off and Shimrra trapped him while he did it.
Shimrra's been enhanced by shapers for decades, perhaps centuries, and he's already naturally stronger than Kar, and bigger

Luke was already stated as exausted. Luke was also fighting against not just Shimrra, but the dovin basals which were weighing him down. Luke at full strength would have pwned Shimrra.

Just as Shimrra'd outright own Kar. There's just no way Kar can win this.

Like I said, Kar can't win. But what I am saying is that Kar is as strong as Shimrra, physically,speaking.

And I'm asking you to back that up.
The weakest of Shimrra's race are bigger and stronger than humans.
Shimrra's the strongest and biggest of all.
Shimrra's been enhanced to hell and back

A full strength Luke would not pwn Shimrra, but he would no doubt win against him.

Excuse me - but did you people have a look at the fighting location ? Dxun ? A jungle world ? When one of the combatants is Kar Vastor ?

I agree that Kar wouldn't be able to overcome Shimmra on a "neutral" ground but this is a jungle - his natural living space, the "source" of his powers. And physicaly the guy is a freaking monster. Mace himself (as far as I remember) was only staring at Kar's chest when the lor pelek was standing right in front of him which gives Kar almost the size of Shimmra. He is physically stronger then Mace when Mace was able to almost break the arm of a Korunai by just grabbing it - not with his strongest grip.

And now Kar and Shimmra are fighting in a jungle. Kar's powers exceed those of Mace Windu in this kind of enviroment. He can control plants as well as basically all kind of animals. That might turn out quite bad for Shimmra standing in a jungle crowded with all kind of deadly pretedators and plants - fighting against somebody who can control all of this.

I don't see Shimmra surviving the fight in this enviroment. Can be disturbing even for the supreme overlord to get hit by a tree, jumped by deadly creatures and then have an opponent with the own massive built attacking you who is armed with two weapons that can be used as shields, can cut virtually every other material and are able to withstand direct lightsaber hits. This will get pretty ugly for Shimmra, imho.

The fact that the jungle isn't Haruun Kal may hinder Kar a bit...and I'm pretty sure when Vong fight in dense foliage areas, they tend to simply obliterate the area.

Vong warriors alone are capable of cutting down packs of wild beasts and using devices to turn forests to cinders. Their Overlord would likely be capable of the same...Shim just needs a few blast bugs or Plasma eels

Perhaps I should have said they would also have to fight off beasts (zakkegs, bomas, cannoks, and drexls) too, and they just have melee weapons and the force.

......Shimrra doesn't use the force. The beast idea is stupid.

Lightsnake, I'm not sure physically how strong Shimarra is but Kar is described as looking like two boulders smashed together and his arms, according to Mace, were as thick as trees.

Shimrra is gigantic for a race where the average is seven feet and muscled like a damn ox and not a spot on Shim's body is fat, he's all muscle, both natural and enhanced

Yes, Shimrra is an enhanced monster. Try Chewbacca powered physically through the force, and then injected with steroids. Then rinse and repeat.

He's even worse.

Yes, thats why I said rinse and repeat.

This thread is just ridiculous. Shimmra rips Vastor in half. Honestly.

And then half of that half.

Then feeds the quarters to babies...

Then Shimrra eats the babies.

Then Shimrra eats the Smiley Face! Ok, Im not funny...

The joke was done, let it be, let it be

ok...