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wolvs cant use his claws, but lets not forget he does have adamantium fists. iron fistcan use his "iron fists". they fight in new york. they get 1 day to prepare themselves mentally and physically, so there in top shape, who wins?

Wolverine gets curb stomped

Not really. Didn't logan beat a top martial artist in marvel without his claws or HF?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine gets curb stomped
not at all, not at all

Originally posted by capt it up
not at all, not at all

Yep Yep Yep

how would if fare w/o using his powers right away, because lets not forget, wolvs has all his other powers except the use of his claws.

Originally posted by bigbran
how would if fare w/o using his powers right away, because lets not forget, wolvs has all his other powers except the use of his claws.

Which against the Iron Fist means didaly squat

Originally posted by capt it up
not at all, not at all okay im willing to work with you capt, i think IF CAN drop Wolverine, but that he would need the iron fist to do it, and that most of the time he cant pull it off.

wolverine 8/10....deal?

no dice.

Wolverine with no adamantium and no claws schooled Shang-Chi. How does Fist measure up to the Master of Kung-Fu? I personally prefer Danny, but Shnag is supposed to be pretty good.

Wolverine with adamantium would take down Iron Fist. Iron Fist isn't really capable of hurting Wolverine with anything other than the fist itself. And even this most likely wouldn't have all that much effect. Wolverine has laughed off all Danny's best moves.

Wolverine 9/10.

if killed a dragon and shoved his fist in his heart, thats how he got his iron fist. wolves has been hurt before by weak things, his skin isnt adamantium, his bones are, big diff, and if can punch him out with his iron fist. ive seen danny hit a wall while he was caught on a train and get up right after.

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine with no adamantium and no claws schooled Shang-Chi. How does Fist measure up to the Master of Kung-Fu? I personally prefer Danny, but Shnag is supposed to be pretty good.

Wolverine with adamantium would take down Iron Fist. Iron Fist isn't really capable of hurting Wolverine with anything other than the fist itself. And even this most likely wouldn't have all that much effect. Wolverine has laughed off all Danny's best moves.

Wolverine 9/10. and iron fists to the throat could definatley put wolverine down for a while......


they shatter steel for god's sake!

its not like wolvs cant be knocked out.

Originally posted by King KAM
okay im willing to work with you capt, i think IF CAN drop Wolverine, but that he would need the iron fist to do it, and that most of the time he cant pull it off.

wolverine 8/10....deal?
works for me .

Originally posted by capt it up
works for me . awesome

no dice, if is a beast, hes not just going to be beaten 8 times. and his iron fist could easily knock wolves out.

Originally posted by bigbran
no dice, if is a beast, hes not just going to be beaten 8 times. and his iron fist could easily knock wolves out.
actaully he is more then likly going to lose 8 times. Yes Iron fist is a beast, but logan can Ko iron fist with a single hit as well. Also IF can not easiliy KO Logan.

Originally posted by bigbran
no dice, if is a beast, hes not just going to be beaten 8 times. and his iron fist could easily knock wolves out.

Yep

Iron Fist is a monster, he just has a crap costume

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully he is more then likly going to lose 8 times. Yes Iron fist is a beast, but logan can Ko iron fist with a single hit as well. Also IF can not easiliy KO Logan.

WTF?!? A single hit

Wolverine isnt that strong and he sure as hell is no DD

a single hit you say, so wolves can hit harder than being smacked into a wall, when ur caught on a train and its moving , and if got up right away.

Originally posted by Grimm22
WTF?!? A single hit
Actually he is that strong and add in the fact his fists are unbreakable IF could be taken down with a single hit since IF is not known for being overly durable.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine isnt that strong and he sure as hell is no DD
Wolverine is that strong and what do you mean he no DD? Wolverine is like a DD on steroids.
DD in no way is Logan superior in skill

Originally posted by Grimm22
WTF?!? A single hit

Wolverine isnt that strong and he sure as hell is no DD Wolverine has more punching power than DD....

Originally posted by bigbran
a single hit you say, so wolves can hit harder than being smacked into a wall, when ur caught on a train and its moving , and if got up right away.
What are you even saying?


just give me a comic number and ill look it up

Originally posted by capt it up
Actually he is that strong and add in the fact his fists are unbreakable IF could be taken down with a single hit since IF is not known for being overly durable.


Wolverine is that strong and what do you mean he no DD? Wolverine is like a DD on steroids.
DD in no way is Logan superior in skill

Are you kidding me?!?

Wolverine just goes around slashing guys and what not.

DD is actually a marial artist

ok
just a monent.

iron fist no 8 1986.

Originally posted by bigbran
iron fist no 8 1986.
I will look it up when I get the chance

Dude no way in hell IF keeps Wolverine down, its not just his claws its his healing factor and adamantium...........................IF could squeek some wins but not majority by any means in a straight up fist fight.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Are you kidding me?!?

Wolverine just goes around slashing guys and what not.

DD is actually a marial artist i say in pure skill, they are about even... maybe slight edge to DD

Originally posted by Grimm22
Are you kidding me?!?
No im not at all

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine just goes around slashing guys and what not.

DD is actually a marial artist
again u prove that you not only do you not read wolverine comics, but that you also act as if you know a character that you have little no no knowledge about

Originally posted by King KAM
i say in pure skill, they are about even... maybe slight edge to DD
not even wolverine has the skill edge.


I bet it it was capt we were talken about u say capt owns DD in skill lol

Originally posted by bigbran
ive seen danny hit a wall while he was caught on a train and get up right after. Dont try to compare Danny's durability feats to Wolverine's. Danny will lose every single time.

i can tell you what happens, iF was beating up some baddies badly, then he slipped and got kicked into a train by a baddie, he was caught then the train went into the tunnel and bamm, if hits the wall,he sits there for like 5 sec, the baddies run away, a croud crowds around if and then he gets up. not out.

i wasnt comparing, i was saying that wolves isnt going down in 1 punch, read the whole post next time.

Originally posted by bigbran
i can tell you what happens, iF was beating up some baddies badly, then he slipped and got kicked into a train by a baddie, he was caught then the train went into the tunnel and bamm, if hits the wall,he sits there for like 5 sec, the baddies run away, a croud crowds around if and then he gets up. not out.
wolverine been hit derectly by a jet and was unfazed

Originally posted by King KAM
i say in pure skill, they are about even... maybe slight edge to DD Yeah there's a skill edge between Wolverine and DD. It's an enormous one and it's obviously in Wolverine's favor.

perfected example of skill is wolverine defeating shiva in a single attack

Originally posted by capt it up
not even wolverine has the skill edge.


I bet it it was capt we were talken about u say capt owns DD in skill lol I feel like capt is the best h2h fighter in the marvel universe, Marvel Agrees, Wolverine isnt as good in pure skill as Cap, and thats obvious. If you read capt, you see that he is the Truth, I LOVE wolverine, but in pure h2h, cap has him beat.Originally posted by riceroost
Yeah there's a skill edge between Wolverine and DD. It's an enormous one and it's obviously in Wolverine's favor. how is wolverine blatantly a better fighter than DD???? where has this been proven??? Wolverine is NEARLY as good and DD and uses his physical advantage to beat DD.

Originally posted by bigbran
i can tell you what happens, iF was beating up some baddies badly, then he slipped and got kicked into a train by a baddie, he was caught then the train went into the tunnel and bamm, if hits the wall,he sits there for like 5 sec, the baddies run away, a croud crowds around if and then he gets up. not out. Wolverine has been hit by Hulk some 20 times and not been hurt. Wolverine has been hit by Colossus some 50 times and been unhurt. Wolverine has been hit by Namor many times and been unhurt. Wolverine has been punched into orbit and survived. Wolverine wins. End of discussion.

im trying to play both sides, and if iron f hit him, im pretty sure hes not going unnoticed.

Originally posted by capt it up
Or how about when wolverine Punk beast in a single panel?


Oh you know I'm going to call you up on this, when the HELL did this happen? It better not be X-Men Adventures as that is based on the cartoon ie non.canon.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh you know I'm going to call you up on this, when the HELL did this happen? It better not be X-Men Adventures as that is based on the cartoon ie non.canon. it was in enemy of the state, and someone should tell Capt how annoying it is when he tries to reply like Jinzin

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh you know I'm going to call you up on this, when the HELL did this happen? It better not be X-Men Adventures as that is based on the cartoon ie non.canon.
enemy of the state issue 5 and why would you care about beast lol?

Originally posted by King KAM
it was in enemy of the state, and someone should tell Capt how annoying it is when he tries to reply like Jinzin

Puck was in enemy of the state? what issue?

.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Puck was in enemy of the state? what issue?
WTF lol. no one said any thing about Puck man i said Punk

Originally posted by capt it up
No im not at all


again u prove that you not only do you not read wolverine comics, but that you also act as if you know a character that you have little no no knowledge about

I know that Wolverine used to be a respected martial artist before he joined the x-men and whatnot, but since then he focuses on using his claws more than anything else.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Puck was in enemy of the state? what issue?


Punk not Puck

Originally posted by capt it up
enemy of the state issue 5 and why would you care about beast lol?

I have to check this out since this seems like PIS, and I never mentioned beast.

EDIT: i read this horribly wrong I thought you said Puck. My apologizes

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have to check this out since this seems like PIS, and I never mentioned beast.
OMG lol
I SAID WOLVERINE PUNKED BEAST, I SAID NUTHING ABOUT PUCK

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have to check this out since this seems like PIS, and I never mentioned beast.

EDIT: i read this horribly wrong I thought you said Puck. My apologizes
no biggy lol I kinda figured you thought that lol

Originally posted by capt it up
OMG lol
I SAID WOLVERINE PUNKED BEAST, I SAID NUTHING ABOUT PUCK

Puck punks both beast and wolverine

Puck is an unstopable force of nature

Originally posted by Grimm22
I know that Wolverine used to be a respected martial artist before he joined the x-men and whatnot, but since then he focuses on using his claws more than anything else.
Using claws does not mean he does not use skills.
Claws are a weapon after all and know he still shows his skills in x-men and in his solo runs.

Originally posted by capt it up
Using claws does not mean he does not use skills.
Claws are a weapon after all and know he still shows his skills in x-men and in his solo runs.

I know he still has skills, just not nearly as much as he used to before he became so focused on "Im gonna run straight at you and stab you" methods

Originally posted by capt it up
Using claws does not mean he does not use skills.
Claws are a weapon after all and know he still shows his skills in x-men and in his solo runs. i dont need skills to attack people with foot long claws that cut through metal like a warm knife through butter.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I know he still has skills, just not nearly as much as he used to before he became so focused on "Im gonna run straight at you and stab you" methods
No he has just as much skills if not more so. When wolverine fights other martial artist thats when you normaly see his skill's come out. wolverine fight who knows the fastest way to take a opponet out.

You need to read up on logan his new origens run is really quite good

he doesnt have much technice with his claws though.

Originally posted by capt it up
. Really? As I recall he has lost to Namor more then ounces rather easily actually.. while Wolverine on the other hand has defeated Namor rather quickly.

Oh please everybody knows that fight is PIS

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh please everybody knows that fight is PIS if it wasnt PIS Wolverine won because of his claws, since when are those "h2h skill"?

Originally posted by capt it up
No he has just as much skills if not more so. When wolverine fights other martial artist thats when you normaly see his skill's come out. wolverine fight who knows the fastest way to take a opponet out.

You need to read up on logan his new origens run is really quite good

I am reading Wolverine Origins and so far all it has proven to me is that Wolverine is a jerkass

Or if you mean in his ongoing book I also read that. Yeah he used to be a samurai and crap like that. Bucky still beat his ass

Originally posted by Grimm22
I am reading Wolverine Origins and so far all it has proven to me is that Wolverine is a jerkass

Or if you mean in his ongoing book I also read that. Yeah he used to be a samurai and crap like that. Bucky still beat his ass bucky beat his ass, and yet, Cap PWNED bucky.....hmmmm

Originally posted by King KAM
bucky beat his ass, and yet, Cap PWNED bucky.....hmmmm

Cap was holding back in the fight too

Originally posted by Grimm22
Cap was holding back in the fight too bucky hit cap so hard he thought he killed him, cap wasnt even stunned.....

Originally posted by Grimm22
I am reading Wolverine Origins and so far all it has proven to me is that Wolverine is a jerkass

Or if you mean in his ongoing book I also read that. Yeah he used to be a samurai and crap like that. Bucky still beat his ass
then u clearly did not read the issue since bucky, with days of one sided prep still got his ass kicked, by a hand cuffed wolverine.

Also u clearly don't read wolverine stop acting like you do. It is rather annoying actually.

Originally posted by Soljer
I do believe that he is saying "Show me a fight where he relied on his martial skill, rather than relying on his claws and healing factor."

While I very much acknowledge Wolverine's skill, I HATE how his character so often just...soaks damage because he CAN. If Wolverine can dodge bullets, and stuff his fist down someone's throat, I want to see it happen. I KNOW a bullet won't kill him, I don't want to see him getting shot, I'd like to see him dodge it. Gah.

But thats my personal problem with the way wolverine is often portrayed. Has nothing to do with his ACTUAL feats and showings.
I agree with you fully. Thats why im gladd about Origens, it seem to be going more towards his martial arts area

Originally posted by capt it up
I agree with you fully. Thats why im gladd about Origens, it seem to be going more towards his martial arts area Capt shutting DD down like its nothing http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica375p168lo.jpg
and as for namor, cap Pwned him too, and no wolverine doesnt use skill with his claws, he just swings them. whenever he is in trouble, like what he said when he was fighting gorgon

As those links you posted ive already stated exactly what happened in those fights, DD was making his premere showing and doing it so in some PIS'sy fashion, a little bit farther down the page we see him make wolverine look like an idiot when he hits him in the throat.

Cap pwns IronFist in Ironfist vol.1 issue 12, makes IF look like a noob.

And as for TaskMaster, Cap Pwned him, and Task Master HAD FULL tapes on cap, cap whooped him anyway.

Cap is heavy weight champ, most wins.

Wolverine uses the claws and healing factor too often

Originally posted by capt it up
I agree with you fully. Thats why im gladd about Origens, it seem to be going more towards his martial arts area ummmm.....no it doesnt..... he has sliced a robot..... but thats bout it....

Originally posted by King KAM
ummmm.....no it doesnt..... he has sliced a robot..... but thats bout it....

you're saying that like shiva is just ANY robot.. it's not.. it's reinforced titanium O-O...hmmm O(somthing)anium shell was the hardest substance that department h could produce sans admantium... shive has wolverine's entire history on disk, it has all recorded accounts of wolverine's fighting ability collected by department H, it has a statistical negotiator chip which compensates to tell it what wolverine's most likely to do in a given situation.. you can not beat it the same way twice and it even has "the triggers" fail safe psionic devices that attack wolverine's brain patterns using plants that the waapon x program put in him.. wolverine pwned the shit out of that robot like it was nothing and that's saying a lot.

Originally posted by jinzin
you're saying that like shiva is just ANY robot.. it's not.. it's reinforced titanium O-O...hmmm O(somthing)anium shell was the hardest substance that department h could produce sans admantium... shive has wolverine's entire history on disk, it has all recorded accounts of wolverine's fighting ability collected by department H, it has a statistical negotiator chip which compensates to tell it what wolverine's most likely to do in a given situation.. you can not beat it the same way twice and it even has "the triggers" fail safe psionic devices that attack wolverine's brain patterns using plants that the waapon x program put in him.. wolverine pwned the shit out of that robot like it was nothing and that's saying a lot. dude its wasnt wolverine..... it was the sword....

Originally posted by King KAM
dude its wasnt wolverine..... it was the sword....


guess you missed the part where shiva has all of wolvie's data files eh?

Originally posted by jinzin


guess you missed the part where shiva has all of wolvie's data files eh? no i saw that part.... i just also saw the sword go through the robut like a blazing katana through butter, i wonder if that sword can cut adamantium, i think its mystical....but then muramasa's blades tend to be.

the sword didn't effect wolverine's fighting ability in any way the robot knowing all it knows about wolverine should technically still put up more of a decent fight then it did... wolverine just wasn't holding back his fighting ability this time and he made that pretty damned clear.. and yeah the sword is mystical.. it doesn't cut.. it splices at the molecular level... sheild buffs couldn't figure out how he did it.

I think Capt was refearing to Orgins 2 preview when he was talking about the showing of Wolverine's skill.

Does anyone else have a real problem with Dillon's art? I can't stand it. Everyone looks the same, it really erks me.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Capt was refearing to Orgins 2 preview when he was talking about the showing of Wolverine's skill.

Does anyone else have a real problem with Dillon's art? I can't stand it. Everyone looks the same, it really erks me. yeah, i feel like im watching Duke Nuke'em meets GI joe..... it sucks to me too...like the simpons or sumn...(art wise)Originally posted by jinzin
the sword didn't effect wolverine's fighting ability in any way the robot knowing all it knows about wolverine should technically still put up more of a decent fight then it did... wolverine just wasn't holding back his fighting ability this time and he made that pretty damned clear.. and yeah the sword is mystical.. it doesn't cut.. it splices at the molecular level... sheild buffs couldn't figure out how he did it. when in doubt, call the cap!

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah, i feel like im watching Duke Nuke'em meets GI joe..... it sucks to me too...like the simpons or sumn...(art wise)

I was wondering if it was just me who hated it 'cause he seems to get a hell of a lot of work...

... and G.I. Joe kicks ass.

YOOOOOOOOOOOO JOE!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I was wondering if it was just me who hated it 'cause he seems to get a hell of a lot of work...

... and G.I. Joe kicks ass.

YOOOOOOOOOOOO JOE! duke kicks ass.... I got 20 bucks he'd chew up those ninjas and spit em out in a 1on1....lol

for me.. my comic dealer said it best.. "the art isn't BAD per say.. it just isn't wolverine"...

the guy was correct 100%, I feel the art being produced in the current moonknight series has a MUCH more gritty realism that wolverine origins NEEDS considering the material...

the thing about the art in origins is, it's almost cartoonish, it's very plain, and frankly boring. IMO there was only one guy who ever drew wolverine with decent pupils AFTER he put on the mask and it was
Leinil Francis Yu.
every other wolvie characterization with pupils just looks goofy.. it's like the classic tmnt.. sure they have pupils when the masks are off but when they put them on, the eyes go white... that's the way it SHOULD be.

right now.. we have some really hard to swallow material in origins.. wolverine being anything but a goodguy in his past.. I think the art needs to be waaaaay more mature instead of looking like a washed over archie comic... it sucks to see that moon knight gets the proper attention in mature storytelling and art while wolvie fans get this.. and then that other god-aweful artwork in his ongoing series.. I mean seriously.. WTF mate.. IIII could do better than that.. hell I HAVE done better than that.. oh well...

Originally posted by King KAM
duke kicks ass.... I got 20 bucks he'd chew up those ninjas and spit em out in a 1on1....lol

Bull shit. Snake-eyes makes Batman look like a pussy with a yellow belt; he'd pawn the entire Batfamily while doing his taxes.

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah, i feel like im watching Duke Nuke'em meets GI joe..... it sucks to me too...like the simpons or sumn...(art wise) when in doubt, call the cap!



guess you've seen the previews already.. cause that's exactly what they do.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bull shit. Snake-eyes makes Batman look like a pussy with a yellow belt; he'd pawn the entire Batfamily while doing his taxes.

don't get me wrong. I like snake eyes.. but I hope storm shadow kicks his ass in the next america's elite..

Originally posted by jinzin


guess you've seen the previews already.. cause that's exactly what they do. hahahahaha why the hell not???Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bull shit. Snake-eyes makes Batman look like a pussy with a yellow belt; he'd pawn the entire Batfamily while doing his taxes. shiiii, dude what did the UFC teach us??? that all that ninja shit goes out the window when duke breaks out the 4-time NCAA wrestling champ moves, and single legs that bastard, lol

Originally posted by jinzin
for me.. my comic dealer said it best.. "the art isn't BAD per say.. it just isn't wolverine"...

the guy was correct 100%, I feel the art being produced in the current moonknight series has a MUCH more gritty realism that wolverine origins NEEDS considering the material...

the thing about the art in origins is, it's almost cartoonish, it's very plain, and frankly boring. IMO there was only one guy who ever drew wolverine with decent pupils AFTER he put on the mask and it was
Leinil Francis Yu.
every other wolvie characterization with pupils just looks goofy.. it's like the classic tmnt.. sure they have pupils when the masks are off but when they put them on, the eyes go white... that's the way it SHOULD be.

right now.. we have some really hard to swallow material in origins.. wolverine being anything but a goodguy in his past.. I think the art needs to be waaaaay more mature instead of looking like a washed over archie comic... it sucks to see that moon knight gets the proper attention in mature storytelling and art while wolvie fans get this.. and then that other god-aweful artwork in his ongoing series.. I mean seriously.. WTF mate.. IIII could do better than that.. hell I HAVE done better than that.. oh well...

It's because marvel doesn't have the balls to slab a "Violent Content" warning on the title and take it the Punisher route (which they should) so they don't lose out on the younger audience. Now... how many 12 years olds do you see at the comic shop buying comics? I have never seen one they are all in there buying the latest trading card fad from Japan. Besides they have ultimate Wolverine to pussify for the kiddies, give us a grittier more mature Wolverine

Another wierd thing about this artist his he gets work on characters that are gritty and more mature. Bullseye, Punisher, Fury, Wolverine, Nighthawk ect... who is calling the shots at Marvel?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's because marvel doesn't have the balls to slab a "Violent Content" warning on the title and take it the Punisher route (which they should) so they don't lose out on the younger audience. Now... how many 12 years olds do you see at the comic shop buying comics? I have never seen one they are all in there buying the latest trading card fad from Japan. Besides they have ultimate Wolverine to pussify for the kiddies, give us a grittier more mature Wolverine

Another wierd thing about this artist his he gets work on characters that are gritty and more mature. Bullseye, Punisher, Fury, Wolverine, Nighthawk ect... who is calling the shots at Marvel? im the youngest comic guy at my local spot, lol

Originally posted by jinzin
don't get me wrong. I like snake eyes.. but I hope storm shadow kicks his ass in the next america's elite..

Blasphemer!!!
















... me too

Originally posted by King KAM
hahahahaha why the hell not??? shiiii, dude what did the UFC teach us??? that all that ninja shit goes out the window when duke breaks out the 4-time NCAA wrestling champ moves, and single legs that bastard, lol so true king kam so true

Originally posted by King KAM
im the youngest comic guy at my local spot, lol

I'm almost 20 and everyone at comic shop I go too (well... it is more a miniature shop with a comic shop in the back) is around the same age. I'm just wondering where this "younger youth audience" that Marvel thinks buys their books are?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's because marvel doesn't have the balls to slab a "Violent Content" warning on the title and take it the Punisher route (which they should) so they don't lose out on the younger audience. Now... how many 12 years olds do you see at the comic shop buying comics? I have never seen one they are all in there buying the latest trading card fad from Japan. Besides they have ultimate Wolverine to pussify for the kiddies, give us a grittier more mature Wolverine

Another wierd thing about this artist his he gets work on characters that are gritty and more mature. Bullseye, Punisher, Fury, Wolverine, Nighthawk ect... who is calling the shots at Marvel?

it's cause everyone's too tied up with civil.. that's my guess anyways...

the only reason moon knight is getting the repect it deserves is because the new title has been over 2 years in the making the the creative teamn doesn't want to miff it up.. frankly they're doing a great job too...

but I agree man, you'd think a guy who beats most of his opponents by cutting or gutting would NECESITATE a mature rating.. but hey that's just my opinion..

Originally posted by King KAM
hahahahaha why the hell not??? shiiii, dude what did the UFC teach us??? that all that ninja shit goes out the window when duke breaks out the 4-time NCAA wrestling champ moves, and single legs that bastard, lol

... I don't watch the UFC and I have no idea what the NCAA is

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm almost 20 and everyone at comic shop I go too (well... it is more a miniture shop with a comic shop in the back) is around the same age. I'm just wondering where these "younger youth audiances" that Marvel thinks buys their books are? michael jackson's bed room???


























































oh yeah, i went there.....

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... I don't watch the UFC and I have no idea what the NCAA is hahahahahaha.......you silly little canadian

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm almost 20 and everyone at comic shop I go too (well... it is more a miniture shop with a comic shop in the back) is around the same age. I'm just wondering where these "younger youth audiances" that Marvel thinks buys their books are?

back in the 60's and 70's when that was the standard comic book audience and the 90's when comic books were readily available at pretty much every grocery store and 7/11 in town...

right now though? I have no idea..

*vomits*

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*vomits* *slips in it* DUDE!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
back in the 60's and 70's when that was the standard comic book audience and the 90's when comic books were readily available at pretty much every grocery store and 7/11 in town...

right now though? I have no idea..

Censoring characters like Wolverine just doesn't work. When was the last time he had a good solo-run? Not a "fun" one but one that was genuinely good. Marvel places too many restraints on Wolverine and the writes/artists to come up with anything significant above the run of the mill hack and slash story that has been done to death.

Maybe in 10 years Wolverine will get a title worthy of him? It happened to the Punisher after all after the backlash of his popularity of the late 80s /early 90s. I had thought thats what was planned when they moved him into Marvel Knights but I guess not.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Censoring characters like Wolverine just doesn't work. When was the last time he had a good solo-run? Not a "fun" one but one that was genuinely good. Marvel places too many restraints on Wolverine and the writes/artists to come up with anything significant above the run of the mill hack and slash story that has been done to death.

Maybe in 10 years Wolverine will get a title worthy of him? It happened to the Punisher after all after the backlash of his popularity of the late 80s /early 90s. I had thought thats what was planned when they moved him into Marvel Knights but I guess not. dude Mark Millar, Enemy of the state/agent of sheild was HOTTTTTTTTT, mark millar is the truth, he brought wolverine back!

Originally posted by King KAM
dude Mark Millar, Enemy of the state/agent of sheild was HOTTTTTTTTT, mark millar is the truth, he brought wolverine back!

I hate Mark Millar almost as much as he hates continuity and that was far from a good run. It was "fun" don't get me wrong but good? Na


I also hear that it was all a rip off a a story Claremont had planed back in his hayday for Wolverine... but one that had years of build up leading to it (like the Wolverine's healing factor starting the slow) and wouldn't have just been thrust upon is. Might have even been relevant with some consequences!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I hate Mark Millar almost as much as he hates continuity and that was far from a good run. It was "fun" don't get me wrong but good? Na i love mark millar and i thought it was awesome..... he is my fave writer tho....

well it was "planned"

miller CLAIMED he was trying to make the pinicle wolverine story...

he just..

he...



HE FAILED UTTERLY... that's what he did dammit!

seriously.. I was reading that whole arch waiting for him to actually have a good brawl with someone.. what does he do in 75% of it.. has one panal put-downs and runs around killing non-recognizable heroes and villains.. or runs away cause he has prep to take care of the job. yeah.. great stuff

the only issue that was worth a crap IMO was his throw down with an entire ninja army.. other than that it was just crap.. the "pinacle wolverine story" and NOT ONE BERSERKER RAGE? WHAT? NOT ONE OF HIS PINACLE ATTRIBUTES?!?!?!? you've gotta be joking!
not to mention the entire fight he had with gorgon his CIS was on 99%... "geee I've got all this experience in fighting and I'm supposed to be a strategic genious, and all this poking this gorgon guy isn't putting him down.. or even hurting him for that matter.. what do I do? what oh what could I possibly do to put this fight in my favor? hmmmm.. think wolverine think!/ think think think.... damnit.. okay now I'm getting my ass kicked again.. uh oh..." meanwhile I'm sitting on the sidelines reading this garbage about to scream at the comic *CHOP OFF HIS ARMS!.. JUST CUT HIM TO PEICES! YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KILL HIM BUT YOU CAN SURE AS HELL CHOP HIM INTO MEAT CUBES! FIGHTS OVER, JUST DO IT ALREADY AND CUT HIM UP*

jinzin-watches helplessly as wolverine continues the stabing meathod...

*AWWW FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!*

Originally posted by jinzin
well it was "planned"

miller CLAIMED he was trying to make the pinicle wolverine story...

he just..

he...



HE FAILED UTTERLY... that's what he did dammit!

seriously.. I was reading that whole arch waiting for him to actually have a good brawl with someone.. what does he do in 75% of it.. has one panal put-downs and runs around killing non-recognizable heroes and villains.. or runs away cause he has prep to care care of the job. yeah.. great stuff

the only issue that was worth a crap IMO was his throw down with an entire ninja army.. other than that it was just crap.. the "pinacle wolverine story" and NOT ONE BERSERKER RAGE? WHAT? NOT ONE OF HIS PINACLE ATTRIBUTES?!?!?!? you've gotta be joking!
not to mention the entire fight he had with gorgo his CIS was on 99%... "geee I've got all this experience in fighting and I'm supposed to be a strategic genious, and all this poking this gorgon guy isn't putting him down.. or even hurting him for that matter.. what do I do? what oh what could I possibly do to put this fight in my favor? hmmmm.. think wolverine think!/ think think think.... damnit.. okay now I'm getting my ass kicked again.. uh oh..." meanwhile I'm sitting on the sidelines reading this garbage about to scream at the comic *CHOP OFF HIS ARMS!.. JUST CUT HIM TO PEICES! YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KILL HIM BUT YOU CAN SURE AS HELL CHOP HIM INTO MEAT CUBES! FIGHTS OVER, JUST DO IT ALREADY AND CUT HIM UP*

jinzin-watches helpessly as wolverine continues the stabing meathod...

*AWWW FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!* .....

*RING* *RING*

"Hello, is Mark there?"

"Hey, Mark it's Marvel on the phone..."

"Oh, hey!"

"Yes, hi. Anyway we were wondering if you would like writer a comic-"

"Elektra?"

"... What?"

"Is it an Elektra story?"

"Um no, it's Wolverine."

"... that's okay I'm sure I can turn it into an Elektra story somehow"

"... "

*Millar hangs up and goes back to jerking off an Elektra poster*

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*RING* *RING*

"Hello, is Mark there?"

"Hey, Mark it's Marvel on the phone..."

"Oh, hey!"

"Yes, hi. Anyway we were wondering if you would like writer a comic-"

"Elektra?"

"... What?"

"Is it an Elektra story?"

"Um no, it's Wolverine."

"... that's okay I'm sure I can turn it into an Elektra story somehow"

"... "

*Millar hangs up and goes back to jerking off an Elektra poster* hahahahahahaha, leave my hero alone!

Originally posted by King KAM
hahahahahahaha, leave my hero alone!

Never!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*RING* *RING*

"Hello, is Mark there?"

"Hey, Mark it's Marvel on the phone..."

"Oh, hey!"

"Yes, hi. Anyway we were wondering if you would like writer a comic-"

"Elektra?"

"... What?"

"Is it an Elektra story?"

"Um no, it's Wolverine."

"... that's okay I'm sure I can turn it into an Elektra story somehow"

"... "

*Millar hangs up and goes back to jerking off an Elektra poster*




that was awesome...

that was almost as good as MERC's account of DC hiring MIKE MIGNOLA of hellboy..


DC "well MIKE these are some really great pictures of squares but can you draw something with umm circles?

mike-"squares?"

DC-"ummm... no... circles..."

mike "oh... square."

DC"CIR....CLE"

mike-"SQU...ARE"

DC "grrr... C....I..."

mike-"S....Q.."

Originally posted by jinzin



that was awesome...

that was almost as good as MERC's account of DC hiring MIKE MIGNOLA of hellboy..


DC "well MIKE these are some really great pictures of squares but can you draw something with umm circles?

mike-"squares?"

DC-"ummm... no... circles..."

mike "oh... square."

DC"CIR....CLE"

mike-"SQU...ARE"

DC "grrr... C....I..."

mike-"S....Q.."

LMAO I've never seen that. That's pure gold man

Originally posted by Grimm22
I know that Wolverine used to be a respected martial artist before he joined the x-men and whatnot, but since then he focuses on using his claws more than anything else. So he lost all his martial arts ability??? Because he had claws??? He's had claws since he was 14 in 1896, why would joining the x-men, or focusing on claw combat make him lose his skills??? Your comment makes no sense at all.
Originally posted by King KAM
bucky beat his ass, and yet, Cap PWNED bucky.....hmmmm Actually Wolverine beat Bucky, even though Bucky had prep and back-up. Cap did not pawn Bucky, he stalemated him. So technically Wolverine did better against Bucky then Cap did.
Originally posted by Soljer
I KNOW a bullet won't kill him, I don't want to see him getting shot, I'd like to see him dodge it. If you could get shot 10 times and heal the damage before you took 2 more steps, why would you bother dodging? Bt look no further than Wolverine Origins #3. He dodges automatic fire from Nuke, who has super speed and enhanced reflexes. Current source too.
Originally posted by King KAM
ummmm.....no it doesnt..... he has sliced a robot..... but thats bout it.... Wolverine infiltrated th white house, one of the most secure places on the planet, while being public enemy #1 and having SHIELD spending much of their resources looking for him. He used teachings he learned as a samurai in Japan to annihilate a Shiva robot in 3 swings. You betray your lack of Wolverine knowledge by not knowing that Shiva learns from it's past battles and Wolverine taking one down in 1 second is very impressive. Especially considering that Shiva has a database of all Wolverine's skills and fighting maneuvers. Shiva can also activate Weapon X members memory implants, crippling them with psychological pain. Wolverine has also beat Nuke in issue #3, which is not yet out, but Nuke is stronger and faster than Wolverine. Wolverine wasn't even really trying to fight Nuke and he toys with him.
Originally posted by jinzin
you'd think a guy who beats most of his opponents by cutting or gutting would NECESITATE a mature rating.. but hey that's just my opinion.. A EFFING MEN!!!!

Originally posted by riceroost
So he lost all his martial arts ability??? Because he had claws??? He's had claws since he was 14 in 1896, why would joining the x-men, or focusing on claw combat make him lose his skills??? Your comment makes no sense at all.
Actually Wolverine beat Bucky, even though Bucky had prep and back-up. Cap did not pawn Bucky, he stalemated him. So technically Wolverine did better against Bucky then Cap did.
If you could get shot 10 times and heal the damage before you took 2 more steps, why would you bother dodging? Bt look no further than Wolverine Origins #3. He dodges automatic fire from Nuke, who has super speed and enhanced reflexes. Current source too.
Wolverine infiltrated th white house, one of the most secure places on the planet, while being public enemy #1 and having SHIELD spending much of their resources looking for him. He used teachings he learned as a samurai in Japan to annihilate a Shiva robot in 3 swings. You betray your lack of Wolverine knowledge by not knowing that Shiva learns from it's past battles and Wolverine taking one down in 1 second is very impressive. Especially considering that Shiva has a database of all Wolverine's skills and fighting maneuvers. Shiva can also activate Weapon X members memory implants, crippling them with psychological pain. Wolverine has also beat Nuke in issue #3, which is not yet out, but Nuke is stronger and faster than Wolverine. Wolverine wasn't even really trying to fight Nuke and he toys with him.
A EFFING MEN!!!! wolverine beat buck??? and cap only stale mated???cap whailed on nuke.....and umm as for cap and bucky, cap through bucky through a window, then let him get up....

bucky had wolverine on the ground....now granted wolverine was coming back...but that wasnt due to skill, that was due to healing factor and durability.

This is a good thread. Does anyone else realize Saberooths first appearance was in a Iron Fist comic? Well thats where he came from. And that this fight is easy for Iron Fist it will be too simple actually.

Originally posted by capt it up
then u clearly did not read the issue since bucky, with days of one sided prep still got his ass kicked, by a hand cuffed wolverine.

Also u clearly don't read wolverine stop acting like you do. It is rather annoying actually.

Dude get it in your head! I read Wolverine's book!

Originally posted by riceroost
So he lost all his martial arts ability??? Because he had claws??? He's had claws since he was 14 in 1896, why would joining the x-men, or focusing on claw combat make him lose his skills??? Your comment makes no sense at all.

Um he hasnt used most of those skills in 20 years or so. Ever since joining the x-men, Wolverine's main skills have been, run straight at the guy and stab him.

Because of that, he has lost much of his skills that he once had

Thats right

Originally posted by Grimm22
Um he hasnt used most of those skills in 20 years or so. Ever since joining the x-men, Wolverine's main skills have been, run straight at the guy and stab him.

Because of that, he has lost much of his skills that he once had co-sign

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
This is a good thread. Does anyone else realize Saberooths first appearance was in a Iron Fist comic? Well thats where he came from. And that this fight is easy for Iron Fist it will be too simple actually.

pfffft..


THAT sabretooth was a HUMAN BEING with clawed gloves... how that even COMPARES to a guy like current sabretooth or hell even 90's sabretooth is easily beyond my scope... but you can try to explain if you like.

Is Wolverine very angry in this fight?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Um he hasnt used most of those skills in 20 years or so. Ever since joining the x-men, Wolverine's main skills have been, run straight at the guy and stab him.

Because of that, he has lost much of his skills that he once had

correction: that's how a number of various writers write him in team-books.. in wolverine books however he displays his skill all the time...

wait don't believe me? here's just one example of many,. and this is why capts convinced you don't read wolverine comics.. it's obvious that you don't ... i mean shit, you thought astonishing-wolverine was the best wolvierine representation out there, that doesn't do a lot for your wolverine credability as far as the people who DO read wolverine are concerned.. no

Originally posted by Rewmac
Is Wolverine very angry in this fight?

shouldn't he be? assuming both characters are fighting to the best of their abilities.. wolverine would be like this...

Originally posted by jinzin
correction: that's how a number of various writers write him in team-books.. in wolverine books however he displays his skill all the time...

wait don't believe me? here's just one example of many,. and this is why capts convinced you don't read wolverine comics.. it's obvious that you don't ... i mean shit, you thought astonishing-wolverine was the best wolvierine representation out there, that doesn't do a lot for your wolverine credability as far as the people who DO read wolverine are concerned.. no

Yes, Astonsihing X-men is the best represintation of Wolverine. Why? Because in it he is actually a good character. He isnt just some guy running around beating guys up for no reason. Also, Wolverine is not a wuss in Astonishing

Of course how dare the great Wolverine lose a fight

Originally posted by jinzin
shouldn't he be? assuming both characters are fighting to the best of their abilities.. wolverine would be like this... now jinzin i know what the pic says.... but he looks like a wild beast....

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yes, Astonsihing X-men is the best represintation of Wolverine. Why? Because in it he is actually a good character. He isnt just some guy running around beating guys up for no reason. Also, Wolverine is not a wuss in Astonishing

unfortunatley for your rather absurd and pathetic argument that isnt how he's represented anywhere..

he has SOME decent moments but a large majority of his appearances in the book are out of character... wolverine is not a jane character.. he's more a clint eastwood type... but hey how would you know that? I mean you barely know jack shit about the guy...


Originally posted by Grimm22
Of course how dare the great Wolverine lose a fight this isn't why we don't like whedon's wolverine.. you need to start acknowledging our actual comments instead of making up your own to argue against... it has nothing to do with wolverine winning or losing fights, it's how he's represented.. he's the comic relief nuff said...
oh wait don't believe me? here...

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=astonishing7pg1sm0ws4of.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=astonishing7pg5sm7zu2pt.jpg

I'm sorry.. while this shit myight be funny it's hardly how wolvie needs to be presented a majority of the time.. but in astonishing.. it is.. and there's something wrong with that...

tell me, why does it make sense for the entire x-team to fail while fighting danger, and all it took was beast to go berserker rage?

isn't wolverine more welll known for berserker rages? is that not one of his trade marks? are his claws not entirely more efficient cutting and killing devices?

and yet that's what happens in astonishing... it's just nowhere NEAR the way he should be presented... and the way you THINK he's presentedelsewhere is nothing more than a huge fabrication... this is retarded...

Originally posted by King KAM
now jinzin i know what the pic says.... but he looks like a wild beast....


EXACTLY... he LOOKS like a while beast but it's just a comic panal meant to be visually interesting to the human eye.. there's hardly ANY reason for people to say wolverine doesn't have fighting ability when he consistently proes that he does, and when marvel consistently gives him those stats... it's too much solid evidence to ignore.. but oh wait.. we don't consider wolverine's stats unless we don't like something he's doing with his speed or strength..

Errmm...not disagreeing with either you, Jinzin, or Grimm22.

However, neither of you can say "Wolverine is better represented in X because of Y," it's an opinion, first and foremost. You don't like astonishing's Wolverine? Fine. That doesn't mean that it isn't wolverine. You don't like any BUT astonishing's wolverine? Fine, doesn't mean all those others don't exist. Jesus, fight over who would win in a fight, but don't fight over your own opinions, its pointless, guys.

Wolverine needs to be taken down a couple notches. The 90's are over and samurais and "looking cool" are boring now.

Originally posted by jinzin
unfortunatley for your rather absurd and pathetic argument that isnt how he's represented anywhere..

he has SOME decent moments but a large majority of his appearances in the book are out of character... wolverine is not a jane character.. he's more a clint eastwood type... but hey how would you know that? I mean you barely know jack shit about the guy...


this isn't why we don't like whedon's wolverine.. you need to start acknowledging our actual comments instead of making up your own to argue against... it has nothing to do with wolverine winning or losing fights, it's how he's represented.. he's the comic relief nuff said...
oh wait don't believe me? here...

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=astonishing7pg1sm0ws4of.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=astonishing7pg5sm7zu2pt.jpg

I'm sorry.. while this shit myight be funny it's hardly how wolvie needs to be presented a majority of the time.. but in astonishing.. it is.. and there's something wrong with that...

tell me, why does it make sense for the entire x-team to fail while fighting danger, and all it took was beast to go berserker rage?

isn't wolverine more welll known for berserker rages? is that not one of his trade marks? are his claws not entirely more efficient cutting and killing devices?

and yet that's what happens in astonishing... it's just nowhere NEAR the way he should be presented... and the way you THINK he's presentedelsewhere is nothing more than a huge fabrication... this is retarded...

Wolverine is more than just comic relief in Astonishing.

Whendon just avoids using Wolverine as THE key player in the book like other X-books do.

Oh and Danger got defeated by Beast because not only was she injured, but Beast acted very out of character there and since she revolves around how they trained and what not in the danger room, Beast was able to catch her off guard

Oh and the astonishing team as cyclops put it is there to make a impact on the public who the x-men are. If wolverine simply went around killing everybody he saw, that wouldnt exactly bode well with what the team is trying to represent.

Im suprised that Wolverine fans arent rejoicing over Astonishing as Wolverine is much less of a "im going to run straight at you and stab you" strategy and focuses more on skills and teamwork

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine is more than just comic relief in Astonishing.

Whendon just avoids using Wolverine as THE key player in the book like other X-books do.
he also avoids using him seriously which is a serious poblem for making a good rep of wolvie..


Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh and Danger got defeated by Beast because not only was she injured, but Beast acted very out of character there and since she revolves around how they trained and what not in the danger room, Beast was able to catch her off guard
you've missed the point yet again...
beast beat her using a berskerker rage but wolvie couldn't?

cause he didn't have one.. cause whedon doesn't write pinacle versions of each character especially wolverine like you implied earlier...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh and the astonishing team as cyclops put it is there to make a impact on the public who the x-men are. If wolverine simply went around killing everybody he saw, that wouldnt exactly bode well with what the team is trying to represent.

because wolverine has always cared about what cyclops, the government, or hell anyone for that matter thinks of him..

I'm guessing you missed out on why he's on the new avengers in the first place huh?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Im suprised that Wolverine fans arent rejoicing over Astonishing as Wolverine is much less of a "im going to run straight at you and stab you" strategy and focuses more on skills and teamwork sadly this is true as compared with other teambooks.. not wolvie books however.

Originally posted by jinzin
he also avoids using him seriously which is a serious poblem for making a good rep of wolvie..



you've missed the point yet again...
beast beat her using a berskerker rage but wolvie couldn't?

cause he didn't have one.. cause whedon doesn't write pinacle versions of each character especially wolverine like you implied earlier...



because wolverine has always cared about what cyclops, the government, or hell anyone for that matter thinks of him..

I'm guessing you missed out on why he's on the new avengers in the first place huh?

sadly this is true as compared with other teambooks.. not wolvie books however.

Ok the whole Beast beating Danger was kind of silly, i'll give you that

I think Wolverine dosent exactly care about what Cyclops thinks or what not, but he understands that this goes beyond what he thinks, and that it has a deep impact on Xavier's Dream

Wolverine is on the new avengers because he's one of Marvel's poster boys

Pretty much yeah, Wolverine is usually portrayed better in his own book, especially the latest issue where he was in africa

Originally posted by Grimm22

I think Wolverine dosent exactly care about what Cyclops thinks or what not, but he understands that this goes beyond what he thinks, and that it has a deep impact on Xavier's Dream
he also understand that he needs to tak the necessary actions when others are too afraid to...


Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine is on the new avengers because he's one of Marvel's poster boys


more accurately because he can go to that place the rest of the team can't.... he'll kill... they won't.. simple as.

Originally posted by jinzin
he also understand that he needs to tak the necessary actions when others are too afraid to...




more accurately because he can go to that place the rest of the team can't.... he'll kill... they won't.. simple as.

True, that is mainly why Wolverine is on the astonishing team, but Joss Whendon isnt going to portray Wolverine as a freakin maniac either

Yeah yeah yeah that copout of an explanation Bendis said to have Wolverine on the team

Seriously, a better explanation would be...

Logan: Hey bub, I need to be on the New Avengers

Iron Man: Why Wolverine?

Logan: Because, then i'll have been on all of the big marvel teams

i honestly think it was a perfectly reasonable and sound explanation to have him in the team, if they had him on the team before dissassembled the aformentioned events including house of m would not have come to pass..

Originally posted by jinzin
i honestly think it was a perfectly reasonable and sound explanation to have him in the team, if they had him on the team before dissassembled the aformentioned events including house of m would not have come to pass..

Of course that reminds me of House of M #1 where one moment Wolverine says that he is willing to kill Wanda then the next he is saying that they shouldnt kill her

Jeese Wolverine, such a flip flopper

Originally posted by jinzin


EXACTLY... he LOOKS like a while beast but it's just a comic panal meant to be visually interesting to the human eye.. there's hardly ANY reason for people to say wolverine doesn't have fighting ability when he consistently proes that he does, and when marvel consistently gives him those stats... it's too much solid evidence to ignore.. but oh wait.. we don't consider wolverine's stats unless we don't like something he's doing with his speed or strength.. jinzin........do you really consider wolverine a better fighter than Cap...and i am being serious....

completely and utterly serious:

yes...

yes I do.

Originally posted by jinzin
completely and utterly serious:

yes...

yes I do. ..... i used to give you credit.....now.... now i just feel like i dont know you anymore *walks off with his head held low*

how did I know you were gonna take that so badly?

im going with wolve on this one

Originally posted by jinzin


how did I know you were gonna take that so badly? because the jinzin i know didnt used to be a liar... * sits on a bench and just glares at the ground*

Nothing can take an angry Wolverine

Originally posted by Rewmac
Nothing can take an angry Wolverine

Except......pancakes!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Except......pancakes! and his(rewmac) motha...

Wolverine outclasses him in H2H without the claws and stuff Wolverine would use his training to the fullest and pimp slap that slipper wearin weirdo.

until if catches him and knocks him out.

I'll say Wolverine.

wolverine for sure .

ill go with the underdog, if

Originally posted by bigbran
ill go with the underdog, if
WHY?
can u give us reason's why?