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who wins?

HAHA Kon-el Still wins~!

no

This 3 combined could make a real nice fight against him.
Wonderman is damn strong and fast. Spidey has the brains and Venom
ehm well at least he can eat sUpes brain after Spidey and 'Wondy finished him off

I give it to the team WM's not a pushover.

Only 1 of them can Fly, Wonderman. As long as Superboy keeps the fight in the air and prevents the 3 from tag teaming him ie fighting over water and such he has it fairly easy

I guess Simon would then try to hit im to the ground so the others can help him out. But Spidey wouldnt go toe to toe with that powerful oponents....at least not for long. Like i said he would use his brains.

6/ 10for the Team.

Originally posted by Soleran
Only 1 of them can Fly, Wonderman. As long as Superboy keeps the fight in the air and prevents the 3 from tag teaming him ie fighting over water and such he has it fairly easy
Well your whole argument's based on the environment.....
Wonderman by himself could probably take the majority against Superboy throw in two troublesome bastards and superboy's going down.

Wonderman is too weak to even scratch Superboy. So are the other two, but at least they would have enough brainpower to make up for it.....Where it not for Superboy's speed.

Goddammit, I hate DC.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Wonderman is too weak to even scratch Superboy. So are the other two, but at least they would have enough brainpower to make up for it.....Where it not for Superboy's speed.

Goddammit, I hate DC.
Wonderman's too weak to even scratch superboy....
Let me remind you Conner's no Clark.

Dude Superboy could just TK Spiderman and Venom to pieces, Wonderman isn't doing a whole lot to him either.

Your right enviroment does play a factor in this fight but more so for Venom and Spiderman then Superboy. SB can fly and has superspeed and supervision................hell he could just zip up to the stratosphere and Heatvision spiderman and venom then spnk Wonderman by himself.

This team is SMASHED. Superboy can control the speed of the fight and where it happens because he is mobile.

WM to weak? Dude he can lift 1000s of tons.

Anyway dont underestimate the strength of a spider

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1063/kickhim3gp.jpg

Where does it say Wonderman can lift thousands?

Does it matter? Superboy has lifted a Castle with his TK alone without struggling, that still leaves him to his other abilities as well.........................................bye bye team, Superboy Owns them all

However that crossover is funny, spiderman wins by utilizing superboys weakness to energy attacks.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Where does it say Wonderman can lift thousands?

He lifted 50,000 tons back in his earlier days. He's a bit stronger now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/avengers192075xt.jpg

How bout easily out lifting Thing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/wondythingstrength1cr.jpg

Wonder Man will take Superboy more times than not.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
He lifted 50,000 tons back in his earlier days. He's a bit stronger now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/avengers192075xt.jpg

How bout easily out lifting Thing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/wondythingstrength1cr.jpg

Wonder Man will take Superboy more times than not.

But the handbooks.....They say......


Oh never mind. I get it.

Bullsh*t. Wonder Man would straight up LOSE to Superboy. Gimme a break. You're basing Connor's defeat on how much Wonder Man can lift? Sorry, but he lacks the speed and versatility to beat Superboy. He's also not as strong as Superboy. (Yeah, I said it)

Forget the handbooks, they suck.

Originally posted by Arahan
Forget the handbooks, they suck.

Agreed.

Could Superboy take on Thor?

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Could Superboy take on Thor?

He would give him a pretty good fight. I don't think Wonder Man should be competing with people like Thor. Thor at his full potential should make Wonder Man his little b*tch. The only reason Wonder Man could stand a chance against Thor, is if he jobs to him which he always does. He always goes into a fight using Mjolnir as a club in order to bash his opponent with it. So if you ask me if I think Superboy would win against Thor, I'd say no and Wonder Man shouldn't be beating him either. That's not really a sure fire way to debate either. You've got to take into consideration Thor's jobber aura. Not to mention that just because "A" can beat "B" and "C" can beat "B", does not mean that "C" would beat "A." Superboy takes WM out of versatility and speed 8-9/10.

Wonder Man can take this himself.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Wonder Man can take this himself.

No he can't.

Originally posted by batdude123
Bullsh*t. Wonder Man would straight up LOSE to Superboy. Gimme a break. You're basing Connor's defeat on how much Wonder Man can lift? Sorry, but he lacks the speed and versatility to beat Superboy. He's also not as strong as Superboy. (Yeah, I said it)
I disagree. Wonder Man may not be as powerful s Thor, true, but he is just a notch below Thor in strength. he's pretty damn underrated.

Just what are Connor's highest strength and speed feats?

Originally posted by batdude123
No he can't. Yes he can.

Batdude you underrate Wonderman.......
the guy's pretty powerful I see him taking the majority.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Yes he can.

I agree.

Originally posted by Accel
I disagree. Wonder Man may not be as powerful s Thor, true, but he is just a notch below Thor in strength. he's pretty damn underrated.

Just what are Connor's highest strength and speed feats?

He's used his TK to lift a castle and has kept up with Superboy Prime. There is really no reason for WM to be beating SP, unless he decides to go h2h with him. Wonder Man is strong, durable, and can fly. Connor has got all that and WAY more. Just how can Wonder Man win this? He's outclassed here.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Yes he can.

No.... he really can't.

Originally posted by Skeets
Batdude you underrate Wonderman.......
the guy's pretty powerful I see him taking the majority.

If you honestly believe that Wonder Man could take Connor, then I'm not the one underestimating people here.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's used his TK to lift a castle and has kept up with Superboy Prime. There is really no reason for WM to be beating SP, unless he decides to go h2h with him. Wonder Man is strong, durable, and can fly. Connor has got all that and WAY more. Just how can Wonder Man win this? He's outclassed here.

He wouldn't get to use TK in battle especially when going up against someone who's as relentless as Wonderman

And no Conner did not keep up with SBP he just got a good showing be for he got killed off nothing more.

by no means does Superboy outclass wonderman.

And no need for a triple post.......

Originally posted by batdude123
No.... he really can't. Yeah, he really can.

You're saying Wonder Man can't beat Connor at all? Not even once?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Yeah, he really can.

You're saying Wonder Man can't beat Connor at all? Not even once?

Well sure, he might be able to take maybe 2-3 victories from Connor, but by no means would he take the majority.

i say superboy gets taken over by venom

Originally posted by Skeets
He wouldn't get to use TK in battle especially when going up against someone who's as relentless as Wonderman

And no Conner did not keep up with SBP he just got a good showing be for he got killed off nothing more.

by no means does Superboy outclass wonderman.

And no need for a triple post.......

So you're saying that Connor couldn't use his TK because WM is relentless? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Wonder Man is outclassed and I'm surprised that I'm the only one who realizes it here.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's used his TK to lift a castle and has kept up with Superboy Prime. There is really no reason for WM to be beating SP, unless he decides to go h2h with him. Wonder Man is strong, durable, and can fly. Connor has got all that and WAY more. Just how can Wonder Man win this? He's outclassed here.
Keeping up with SBP was just one last good showing for his death. Considering it took TWO Supermans to deal with SBP, Connor is NOT in his league.

Originally posted by batdude123
Well sure, he might be able to take maybe 2-3 victories from Connor, but by no means would he take the majority. OK. So like i said in my original post. Wonder Man CAN takes this.

Originally posted by batdude123
So you're saying that Connor couldn't use his TK because WM is relentless? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Wonder Man is outclassed and I'm surprised that I'm the only one who realizes it here.
Because he's not outclassed, although is easy to think that because Connor is related to the S-Shield.

Originally posted by Accel
Keeping up with SBP was just one last good showing for his death. Considering it took TWO Supermans to deal with SBP, Connor is NOT in his league.

Did I say that Superboy was in Superboy Prime's league? No, I said that keeping up with him was a pretty good feat. No way Wonder Man takes him down. Superboy fighting like a dumbass going h2h against him, I'd agree, but otherwise Connor is too fast and versatile for Wonder Man to take the majorities.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
OK. So like i said in my original post. Wonder Man CAN takes this.

Originally posted by batdude123
Did I say that Superboy was in Superboy Prime's league? No, I said that keeping up with him was a pretty good feat. No way Wonder Man takes him down. Superboy fighting like a dumbass going h2h against him, I'd agree, but otherwise Connor is too fast and versatile for Wonder Man to take the majorities.
Again, what speed feats put him above Simon?

Originally posted by Accel
Because he's not outclassed, although is easy to think that because Connor is related to the S-Shield.

Listen, I can see Wonder Man being able to snag 2, maybe 3 victories over Connor. However, there is no way he'd take the majority over him.

Originally posted by batdude123
So you're saying that Connor couldn't use his TK because WM is relentless? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Wonder Man is outclassed and I'm surprised that I'm the only one who realizes it here.
Mind me I was thinking of something else and fecked up.....dodgy

the team still takes the majority.

Originally posted by batdude123
Listen, I can see Wonder Man being able to snag 2, maybe 3 victories over Connor. However, there is no way he'd take the majority over him.
Again, I disagree as there has yet to be any evidence of Connor's superiority other than TK, but to each his own.

Originally posted by Accel
Again, I disagree as there has yet to be any evidence of Connor's superiority other than TK, but to each his own.

Superboy has matured as a Kryptonian. He uses TK, but not as much as he used to. He now has the heat vision, x-ray vision, superhumanly acute senses, and stamina that Superman has now. His strength and speed have now gotten better as well. So if you are still thinking of the little tactile TK user, then you are mistaken. Superboy wallops on WM. I'll even say that he'd take the slight majority of the wins against the team as well. Maybe 6/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
Superboy has matured as a Kryptonian. He uses TK, but not as much as he used to. He now has the heat vision, x-ray vision, superhumanly acute senses, and stamina that Superman has now. His strength and speed have now gotten better as well. So if you are still thinking of the little tactile TK user, then you are mistaken. Superboy wallops on WM. I'll even say that he'd take the slight majority of the wins against the team as well. Maybe 6/10.
I believe he has gotten stronger over the years, but again...
what strength and speed feats put him above Simon?

Originally posted by Accel
I believe he has gotten stronger over the years, but again...
what strength and speed feats put him above Simon?

Like I've said, he's kept up with Superboy Prime:

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=108aa.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=128sq.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=139ex.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=156zi.jpg

He has also lifted an entire castle with his TK.

He's kept up with Supergirl in flight speed.

etc...

Originally posted by batdude123
Like I've said, he's kept up with Superboy Prime:

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=108aa.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=128sq.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=139ex.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=156zi.jpg

He has also lifted an entire castle with his TK.

He's kept up with Supergirl in flight speed.

etc...
He got his ass kicked in that fight against SBP rather handily- he couldn't even fight back. While they are good, battle feats are the most vague feats any way. Wonder Man has held his own against Thor and Deathstroke has beaten the JLA, but does that mean these battles would go those ways realistically? Not really.

Just how big WAS the castle? While it sounds impressive, it seems more like a TK feat than a strength feat.

The only time I recall Conner meeting Kara was their first meeting where Connor was owned. I don't recall Connor being able to keep up with her at all.

The castle was pretty damn big, however Wonder Man is a formidable opponent and I'm not underrestimating him in any way shape or form. Wonder Man is outclassed though. Superboy is basically a less powerful version of Superman with TK. Wonder Man's chance are very slim to pull off victories here. Don't get me wrong, he'd definitely pull off a few, put it would take more than a flying brick to put down a Superman type.

Conner has never defeated anyone on Wonder Man's level before.

Originally posted by batdude123
The castle was pretty damn big, however Wonder Man is a formidable opponent and I'm not underrestimating him in any way shape or form. Wonder Man is outclassed though. Superboy is basically a less powerful version of Superman with TK. Wonder Man's chance are very slim to pull off victories here. Don't get me wrong, he'd definitely pull off a few, put it would take more than a flying brick to put down a Superman type.
Sure, Connor has the advantage with TK, but I'm not convinced he'd pull off the vast majority, or even that he's superior to Simon physically.

I just don't believe he's outclassed. Superboy has his powers, but nothing to indicate he has them to a higher degree. He has the standard 'visions,' but none of them barring heat vision would prove useful here. TK's Connor's only real advantage and I wonder if it'll be enough.

Why wouldn't it be enough? That would mean that Wonder Man would never be able to touch Connor.

Supposedly, but would it really be enough to actually beat Simon or just keep him at bay? If the latter were the case, it'd be a stalemate.

Originally posted by Accel
Supposedly, but would it really be enough to actually beat Simon or just keep him at bay? If the latter were the case, it'd be a stalemate.

Yes, good point. However, what's to stop Superboy from holding Wonder Man with his TK while continually dowsing him with his heat vision?

What would heat vision do though? It certainly won't knock him out, that's for sure.

You're right, it would burn his flesh off of his body.

Considering Simon's durability and his ionic form, that's debatable.

Hmm.... Constant dowsing with hotter than star heat vision for as long as it would take and with WM being kept in check by SP's TK. Yeah, WM would win that fight.

Is Superboy's heat vision really hotter than a star (remember, this isn't Superman we're talking about here)? Also, depending on how strong Connor's TK constructs really are, WM could probably break out of them.

Wonder Man's ionic energy flowing throughout his body should dismiss the effectiveness of using heat vision on him any way. If dowsing him with heat vision the best Connor can do, then he can at best stalemate Simon.

Originally posted by Accel
Is Superboy's heat vision really hotter than a star (remember, this isn't Superman we're talking about here)? Also, depending on how strong Connor's TK constructs really are, WM could probably break out of them.

Wonder Man's ionic energy flowing throughout his body should dismiss the effectiveness of using heat vision on him any way. If dowsing him with heat vision the best Connor can do, then he can at best stalemate Simon.

Yes, considering he is a true kryptonian now. However, can you please explain to me how WM's ionic body would dampen the power of Superboy's heat vision? Superboy is also faster than Wonder Man as well as being more versatile than him, I don't see how Superboy wins unless he engages him in a pure fist fight. What I'm saying is that Superboy has got more options than Wonder Man does. Wonder Man only wins this fight if he gets within close range. If Superboy avoids a close quarter fight, he is basically ensured a victory.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, considering he is a true kryptonian now. However, can you please explain to me how WM's ionic body would dampen the power of Superboy's heat vision? Superboy is also faster than Wonder Man as well as being more versatile than him, I don't see how Superboy wins unless he engages him in a pure fist fight. What I'm saying is that Superboy has got more options than Wonder Man does. Wonder Man only wins this fight if he gets within close range. If Superboy avoids a close quarter fight, he is basically ensured a victory.
Wonder Man's durability can supposedly withstand such temperatures without breaking. His body, being a from of ionic energy, should not be sufficiently damaged due to heat vision- f any part of him was fried off, the atoms of this energy would form back together.

I have yet to hear any feats that put Connor above Simon in terms of strength or speed; there's really no point in saying he's faster based on nothing. Unless I found out about Conner's TK constructs withstanding more punishment than WM can dish out, I have a hunch Simon will be able to break them. Superboy may have more options, but that doesn't automatically mean a victory, especially if his opponent can counter them or negate their uses.

Cable's TK is much much lower on average then Kon-El's and Cable blew a hole in the back of DP's head.

Kon-El's TK is damn near Jean Grey's level, He can just TK a hole in Wonderman's head, the end.

Spiderman and Venom the same thing, they are fly's.

no they are spiders

Originally posted by Arahan
no they are spiders they die against Kon el anyway

Originally posted by Soleran
Cable's TK is much much lower on average then Kon-El's and Cable blew a hole in the back of DP's head.

Kon-El's TK is damn near Jean Grey's level, He can just TK a hole in Wonderman's head, the end.

Spiderman and Venom the same thing, they are fly's.
Blowing a hole in his head wouldn't really do anything, seeing that Simon's immortal and the atoms of his ionic energy would just reform his body if it's damaged.

Originally posted by Accel
Blowing a hole in his head wouldn't really do anything, seeing that Simon's immortal and the atoms of his ionic energy would just reform his body if it's damaged.

It would still render him out cold, thats a win!

That is a win.

Originally posted by Soleran
It would still render him out cold, thats a win!
Eh, that's debatable as well. Simon CAN be knocked ot by sufficient force, but with his energy fluxes, it's hard to say if ti would really knock him out with that method.

There's also the possibility that if Connor DOES pull that strategy, it'll cause WM's to explode like he did against Hulk in the Last Avengers Story and take every one down in the area around him, including Superboy.

Originally posted by Accel
Blowing a hole in his head wouldn't really do anything, seeing that Simon's immortal and the atoms of his ionic energy would just reform his body if it's damaged.

Exactly. His body is malleable. In Wonder Man #21 through #24, he has a bit of an upgrade. This was before his return in his Ionic Aura form. He shows he can do quite a bit more than punch someone out. He blasted War Machine with Optic Blasts from his eyes. He grew to match sizes and height with Atlas. When he was hurt and got his hand cut off battling Mephisto and his minions within his realm, in which he simply willed his hand back and it reformed itself. His body is constantly permeating with ionic energy. He still has these powers. Even more so now that his body is engulfed in Ionic Energy when he's fighting. He's a battery for ionic energy. I don't think Superboy's TK will work as well with Simon's energy since he has total control over it.

Wonder Man also has a rage factor similar to the Hulk. His strength can increase due to his anger and rage, or if he simply focuses on it. When has Superboy taken on a character like Wonder Man? Will his TK work with pure energy? That's what Wonder Man is. He's basically a solid energy construct that if killed or dispersed, will simply reassemble himself.

Future Wonder Man Hollywood is pretty impressive as well. He held his own for a short while against a powered up Dormammu. He got the better of Starhawk who is a herald level being. Starhawk has taken hits from powerhouses like Korvac and the Keeper. But WM puts him down in two hits. Cuchalin who was single handedly taking on the Guardians and was winning until Simon came and wrecked Cuchalin in one punch.

Who has Superboy beaten that was on Wonder Man's level again?

His rage factor isn't quite the same. Also because fear makes him weaker

And he lost those abilities, as far as I know.

good post, dude i could marry your sister for that

Originally posted by Dinalfos
His rage factor isn't quite the same. Also because fear makes him weaker

And he lost those abilities, as far as I know.
He used to have a confidence problem that would make him weaker when he started out, but he's over that now. Current WM has no problems going into battle.

Superboy has enhanced abilities as well ie super strength, speed, heat vision AND tk. Even if Simon does blow up Superboy can still put up a blast shield between him and Simon..................

Didn't Hyperion break WM's arm and drive him through the planet............bye Wonderman.................with JUST superboy's TK he could keep WM at a distance not even getting his Kryptonian powers into play.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Exactly. His body is malleable. In Wonder Man #21 through #24, he has a bit of an upgrade. This was before his return in his Ionic Aura form. He shows he can do quite a bit more than punch someone out. He blasted War Machine with Optic Blasts from his eyes. He grew to match sizes and height with Atlas. When he was hurt and got his hand cut off battling Mephisto and his minions within his realm, in which he simply willed his hand back and it reformed itself. His body is constantly permeating with ionic energy. He still has these powers. Even more so now that his body is engulfed in Ionic Energy when he's fighting. He's a battery for ionic energy. I don't think Superboy's TK will work as well with Simon's energy since he has total control over it.

Wonder Man also has a rage factor similar to the Hulk. His strength can increase due to his anger and rage, or if he simply focuses on it. When has Superboy taken on a character like Wonder Man? Will his TK work with pure energy? That's what Wonder Man is. He's basically a solid energy construct that if killed or dispersed, will simply reassemble himself.

Future Wonder Man Hollywood is pretty impressive as well. He held his own for a short while against a powered up Dormammu. He got the better of Starhawk who is a herald level being. Starhawk has taken hits from powerhouses like Korvac and the Keeper. But WM puts him down in two hits. Cuchalin who was single handedly taking on the Guardians and was winning until Simon came and wrecked Cuchalin in one punch.

Who has Superboy beaten that was on Wonder Man's level again?

Wasn't all that energy projection he once had BEFORE Wanda revived him? If so, we are not talking about that. We are talking about current Wonder Man.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
His rage factor isn't quite the same. Also because fear makes him weaker

And he lost those abilities, as far as I know.

When? Point out the issue. His fear affected him in his battle with Adam Warlock, but that was before his upgrade and before he faced his fears with his battle against Mephisto and his minions. WM has no such fear weakness now.

Originally posted by Soleran
Superboy has enhanced abilities as well ie super strength, speed, heat vision AND tk. Even if Simon does blow up Superboy can still put up a blast shield between him and Simon..................

Didn't Hyperion break WM's arm and drive him through the planet............bye Wonderman.................with JUST superboy's TK he could keep WM at a distance not even getting his Kryptonian powers into play.
yes, but we've covered this already. Superboy has no showings to indicate he's superior to Simon in terms of speed or strength or even durability. Heat vision and TK may not be enough as well, as WM could possibly break any TK constructs, (unless any one can tell of a time they held someone decisively stronger).

And Hyperion never broke his arm adn he killed a mortal and much less experienced WM.
Originally posted by batdude123
Wasn't all that energy projection he once had BEFORE Wanda revived him? If so, we are not talking about that. We are talking about current Wonder Man.
Current Wonder Man still has all his abilities he exhibited over the years.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wasn't all that energy projection he once had BEFORE Wanda revived him? If so, we are not talking about that. We are talking about current Wonder Man.

He can still do all of those. When did the writers say he lost all those additional powers? Wonder Man simply needs to focus for those powers to work. That's it. I doubt Superboy could even compete with him physically. Add in the other two flies in the ointment and Superboy goes down.

His first fight with Superboy Prime is a huge showing of durability what are you talking about durability

Originally posted by Accel
yes, but we've covered this already. Superboy has no showings to indicate he's superior to Simon in terms of speed or strength or even durability. Heat vision and TK may not be enough as well, as WM could possibly break any TK constructs, (unless any one can tell of a time they held someone decisively stronger).

And Hyperion never broke his arm adn he killed a mortal and much less experienced WM.



Taking shots from a guy who can literally move planets with his bare hands is a fairly impressive (almost PIS-ish) feat. Not only does Connor have the regular assortment of Kryptonian powers but also has his tactile telekinesis which grants him added durability which could be an argument as to why he was able to survive the encounter.


Originally posted by Accel
Current Wonder Man still has all his abilities he exhibited over the years.



Proof?

Originally posted by Soleran
His first fight with Superboy Prime is a huge showing of durability what are you talking about durability
Yeah, beaten to a pulp and helpless is a great showing of durability.
Originally posted by batdude123
Taking shots from a guy who can literally move planets with his bare hands is a fairly impressive (almost PIS-ish) feat. Not only does Connor have the regular assortment of Kryptonian powers but also has his tactile telekinesis which grants him added durability which could be an argument as to why he was able to survive the encounter.
Yeah, Wonder Girl didn't do so bad herself. It's impressive, but it doesn't indicate any superiority to Simon.
Originally posted by batdude123
Proof?
It's all in his comics. He never lost any of the bailities he gained. If you're asking for scans or specif issue #'s, though, sorry but I can't help you there.

Let's just agree to disagree here.

NO!!





All right, fine.

Originally posted by batdude123
Let's just agree to disagree here.


Wimp



Kon-El still wins!

Originally posted by batdude123


Proof?

Find a comic that says Wonder Man doesn't have any of these powers:

Growing to match size and strength with Atlas:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/WonderMan003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/WonderMan004.jpg

How bout altering his form?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/WonderMan005.jpg

Even Mephisto says Wonder Man is learning to tap his full potential:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/WonderMan013.jpg

Sorry for the blurry pics my scanner is dead, so I'm using my generic 20 dollar digital camera.

And this power to counter heat vision:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/WonderMan015.jpg

Here's Wonder Man taking back his ionic energy from the Crazy 8. This is one of the reasons why TK won't work on him. Superboy can't affect Simon via telekinesis like other solid objects. Simon is an energy being with full control over his Ionic Energy. SB's Tk won't do much against Simon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/WonderMan008.jpg

It's okay. Thanks for the scans.