Proof of life after death?

Ive been speculating on this idea I had for a while, so perhaps I should post it here.

What are you before you are born? You are dead. One cannot possibly be neither alive nor dead. I believe I have said this once before as an offhand comment and I encountered this argument:

"Death is the condition that follows life." Or something to that effect.

I believe this argument sort of dances around the question, but meh....

Moving on:

The implications of my theory being true, includes logical proof that it is possible to be 'dead' and come into a life. If that is the case, it could very well be that we do go through some cycle of 'rebirth'. It would certainly fit in with what we see throughout nature(cycles everywhere).

So anyways....discuss.

You have to exist first to die, and at that point you become dead.

^ after your dead tho, what happens?

If you're spiritually/mystically inclined...
After you are conceived, the soul finds a home in the developing body. It finds greater and greater personal expression after birth and as the person grows up, particularly once mind develops.
When you die, the body and mind end. The soul continues.

If you are a reductionist/materialist/epiphenomenalist...
After you are conceived and born, the body and mind develop.
After death, the body and mind end. Period.

I accept the possibility of reincarnation. However, so far, real evidence to support it is lacking.

It's interesting to hear little children talk about this subject before they are indoctrinated............

examples that I've heard from an 8 year old:

Where we we before we were here?
I said: Where do you think we came from?
She said: Other bodies?
I said: Why do you think so?
She said: I don't know.

This little girl had never heard of reincarnation before, and I thought it was very interesting.......I never did give her an answer..........I wanted her to think, and not be told what to think......

Other questions shes asked were:

Where do our thoughts come from?
Where do our thoughts go when they leave our heads?

This type of thinking is great for a science field study in yes, quantum physics.............lol

Also, this little girl almost choked to death at a restaurant.....She didn't tell anyone but me that looking at the wall, she started to see a white tunnel of light open up...........of course she was given the Heimlich maneuver........and was then ok..

Originally posted by Because I can
^ after your dead tho, what happens?

Originally posted by NineCoronas
You have to exist first to die, and at that point you become dead.

What is death, but a state of non-existing?

What were you before you were born? Non-existing.

Death is the termination of life, in order to terminate - something must exist. You cant terminate something that has never existed.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Death is the termination of life, in order to terminate - something must exist. You cant terminate something that has never existed.

If you want to be technical, yes, but looking deeper than the semantics, death is simply a state of non-existing.

And please somone answer this, if you are not dead before birth, than *what* are you. I dont imagine it is possible to neither exist nor non-exist.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
What is death, but a state of non-existing?

What were you before you were born? Non-existing.

Originally posted by NineCoronas
Death is the state that follows life =P

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Originally posted by Great Vengeance
If you want to be technical, yes, but looking deeper than the semantics, death is simply a state of non-existing.

And please somone answer this, if you are not dead before birth, than *what* are you. I dont imagine it is possible to neither exist nor non-exist.

At death he/she is non-existing, true. But they have to go through a process of life before they reach death. To be dead is to no longer live, not productive and no longer in existence. Someone has to live to die. That's the way it works.

Before birth you are simply nothing. It's logical to assume you dont "exist."

Take for example babies. Before the couple have sex they both contain sperm/eggs that contain DNA strands to create life. It doesn't make sense to say the person that will be born from that is "dead" because technically he doesn't exist until the egg and sperm meet.

-I'm not making myself very clear...:/

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
And please somone answer this, if you are not dead before birth, than *what* are you. I dont imagine it is possible to neither exist nor non-exist.

I suppose one could say--if you believe in reincarnation--that before you are born to your Next Life, you were dead, having expired from your Previous Life.

But this is throwing a spanner in the box, eh? 😉

Taking more of a quantum-mechanical perspective: before you were born you existed as potential (a wave function). Conception occurred (corresponding to observation of the wave function), wherein potentiality became actuality (the wave function collapsed).

Life is a brief interlude of being a discrete/Newtonian entity.

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I beleive the fact that "Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only altered in state" is enough reason to beleive in Life after Death.

What are we other than matter and energy? Our bodies and brains are matter, our mind is energy.....neither of this gets destroyed, even when we die.

The only real question is what becomes of our personal memories and identity? Does that cease to exist when we die ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I beleive the fact that "Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only altered in state" is enough reason to beleive in Life after Death.

What are we other than matter and energy? Our bodies and brains are matter, our mind is energy.....neither of this gets destroyed, even when we die.

The only real question is what becomes of our personal memories and identity? Does that cease to exist when we die ?

I concur.

I disagree. The enegy in your body (mostly heat) dissapates. Your matter decays into the ground.

Your consciousnes is a product of the neural network in your brain, when those cells die, it can no longer be produced. Consciousness ends. memories and identity woudl die with it. Its all just electical impulses.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance

And please somone answer this, if you are not dead before birth, than *what* are you. I dont imagine it is possible to neither exist nor non-exist.

Metaphysically speaking....an essence of your pre-existence.

Originally posted by Alliance
Your consciousnes is a product of the neural network in your brain, when those cells die, it can no longer be produced. Consciousness ends. memories and identity woudl die with it. Its all just electical impulses.

Could you replace some of your pronouns with nouns. I'm confused 😛

Sorry 😮