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Lucifer gets alot of respect in KMC Forums. However people still don't understand what the bastard is capable of. Lucifer is "the second greatest being in creation" So, I've decided to make a Lucifer Respect Thread.

ALL credit goes to DEATH the Legionnaire.

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Sandman/Morpheus/Dream, one of the oldest and most powerful beings in reality comment on Lucifer (Keep in mind that Sandman is the source of dreams, imagination and all of the gods, and that he shapes reality and the mind. He knows what he is talking about, and is still certain that going up against Lucifer means certain Death" (From Death, his sister):



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Now, One of Morpheus's servants is biblical Cain, curse of sevenfold returning and all.

(The curse was imparted by the Presence, anyone hurting him will have the effect returned upon him 7 times as strong without hurting Cain at all).

Here's what Lucifer thinks of that:

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Lucifer in Relation to Oneiros yet again:
Dream is scared stiff of Lucifer even with his helmet and equipment and the fact that it's impossible to kill him permanently.

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Lucifer compared to every Demon in hell:

He also talks about playing with them, retconning any incident of a lesser demon giving him trouble.


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THANKS DRACO69!!!!!

Now, here's Lucifer's second or third best feat:

He went outside of the presence's creation , and there he mercy killed his Brother Michael.

Michael was the 2nd or third most powerful being in creation alongside Lucifer.

Lucifer was the Will, Michael the power (The presenc edirectly imbued him with power, he was the one that easily overturned the rogue angels without using the presence's power).

Lucifer helps "kill" him and the release of energy that would have destroyed the entire DC omniverse and rebboted it is chaneeled by Lucifer to create a new reality that is entirely deperate from the Presence.

This omniversal big bang doesn't even scratch him:

http://static.flickr.com/54/127050112_477047a0e7_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/127050443_09b7ba3c94_o.jpg


And slightly less impressive, remmember the Source wall?

The one holding the promethian giants, Darkseid, anything that touches it with nothing ever being able to get to the other side?

Lucifer ignores it and The source , and it apparently doesn't move , so that he (Lucifer) can take a good view of all creation.

He also shows the ability to watch everything ahppening in the universe at once without any difficulty and finding someone.


http://static.flickr.com/52/127047035_6b354349e8_o.jpg


Now, a few scenes from Lucifer as he builds himself a universe quickly (This is just a test version for him).


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Lucifer laying out the rules in his new creation, note the SUN inside his hands:

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Also here' s another bit about Michael being the most powerful being in creation after the Presence :


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"Michael is an Archangel"
"Of all gods creations there are non more powerful"
"At least, not now".


Now for a little Attitude for all those of you that Think that Lucifer only wants the Presence's approval:


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A nice scene in Lucifer's new creation after his speech to the "immigrants":

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Lucifer vs the incredibly powerful Basanos, note how he ignores their powers and them manifesting every possible doom upon him despite their having a card based on him:

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"When you raise your hand to strike the stars themselves grow dim":

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A few bits on Lucifers Willpower:
A Seraph comments on how Lucifer is pure will and might will himself back from total annihalation at the "hands" of his own power:

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Lucifer was the third being created by the presence:
"Michael's Demiurgic power gave birth to the first matter, and Lucifer's will shaped it into suns":

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Lucifer to Death while dead "You have no claim on me":

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Re-incorporation from death is normally no problem for Lucifer:

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Lucifer threatens the Endless Death, who replies "If you kill the messenger in the long run you just get less mail"

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Lucifer and the dark elves."It is guarded by the dark elves probably enough to deter the common ruck of gods and monsters"
The dark elves hide themselves in whimpering panic when they see Lucifer :

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Lucifer vs the Midgard Serpent that tortures Loki placed there by Odin- guess who wins:P

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Lucifer offers up freeing Loki on Ragnarok in exchange for a very special ship, so don't say that Odin is anywhere near him:

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The Presence, the omnipotent creator of Creation and omnipotent all powerful God (With a capital G, Biblical God is mentioned a fraction of the presence in the silver city throne room):

Names Lucifer as the "King of contrivance and manipulation"
In other words, that he's the most cunning scheming prep bastard to ever live after his "dad" :

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so draco has it been made clear that he can make half a multiverse? or was he only make one universe?

He can make a Creation. Which is a multiverse.

I'll post more tomorrow!

Excellent thread Draco69.

Is Lucifer from Sandman, his self titled comic and Hellblazer them same one?

yeah lucifer came out in sandman he's the one who gave sandman the keys of hell

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Is Lucifer from Sandman, his self titled comic and Hellblazer them same one? The cover of issue one from Lucifer says "From the pages of Sandman."

Originally posted by Draco69
Now, here's Lucifer's second or third best feat:

He went outside of the presence's creation , and there he mercy killed his Brother Michael.

Michael was the 2nd or third most powerful being in creation alongside Lucifer.

Lucifer was the Will, Michael the power (The presenc edirectly imbued him with power, he was the one that easily overturned the rogue angels without using the presence's power).

Lucifer helps "kill" him and the release of energy that would have destroyed the entire DC omniverse and rebboted it is chaneeled by Lucifer to create a new reality that is entirely deperate from the Presence.

This omniversal big bang doesn't even scratch him:

http://static.flickr.com/54/127050112_477047a0e7_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/127050443_09b7ba3c94_o.jpg


And slightly less impressive, remmember the Source wall?

The one holding the promethian giants, Darkseid, anything that touches it with nothing ever being able to get to the other side?

Lucifer ignores it and The source , and it apparently doesn't move , so that he (Lucifer) can take a good view of all creation.

He also shows the ability to watch everything ahppening in the universe at once without any difficulty and finding someone.


http://static.flickr.com/52/127047035_6b354349e8_o.jpg


Now, a few scenes from Lucifer as he builds himself a universe quickly (This is just a test version for him).


http://static.flickr.com/47/127058603_9321906be4_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/52/127059023_1125af790f_o.jpg
I have a little over twenty Lucifer issues but they are scattered over the series. What issue is that from the first two picture?

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Lucifer laying out the rules in his new creation, note the SUN inside his hands:

http://static.flickr.com/44/127109552_79d5066e8a_o.jpg?v=0 What issue is the one with the source and the The omniversal big bang?

he can exist outside of creation then can he not would things like the ultimate nullifier work on him then?

Draco you did a good job on this thread !

Lucifer Morningstar is a character I am becoming more and more obsessed with !

I hope you will add more scans as soon as you can! I have lots to learn about this guy ! I have several of his comic books, and have read his graphic novel "Crux" But I wanna know more !

you should buy the graphic novels perhaps and save yourself the money or time of buying individual issues, only the last issues are not in the final graphic noval but yeah his last issue is seventy five.

I love Lucifer and have all his comics however youre hyping up the scale of Michaels explosion. As per Vertigo continuity where the majority these scans stem from, the Presences creation is just a universe as stated on panel.

With the demiurgic matter unleashed Lucifer went on to shape himself a universe also:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716032260.jpg&s=x11

Lucifer shaped a universe and the Presences creation is also a universe.

Again Lucifer referring to his universe:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716103930.jpg&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716153878.jpg&s=x11

All of this talk about omniversal and even multiversal scale explosions is just hype from fansites.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I love Lucifer and have all his comics however youre hyping up the scale of Michaels explosion. As per Vertigo continuity where the majority these scans stem from, the Presences creation is just a universe as stated on panel.

With the demiurgic matter unleashed Lucifer went on to shape himself a universe also:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716032260.jpg&s=x11

Lucifer shaped a universe and the Presences creation is also a universe.

Again Lucifer referring to his universe:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716103930.jpg&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716153878.jpg&s=x11

All of this talk about omniversal and even multiversal scale explosions is just hype from fansites.




GalacticStorm thank you for clarifying that. Lots of DC fanboys SWEAR that Lucifer has multiversal level power, and that he is Above "Classic" IG, and above PF.

As much as I like Lucifer, I really am disappointed in his artwork.

Originally posted by Draco69
Now, here's Lucifer's second or third best feat:

He went outside of the presence's creation , and there he mercy killed his Brother Michael.

Michael was the 2nd or third most powerful being in creation alongside Lucifer.

Lucifer was the Will, Michael the power (The presenc edirectly imbued him with power, he was the one that easily overturned the rogue angels without using the presence's power).

Lucifer helps "kill" him and the release of energy that would have destroyed the entire DC omniverse and rebboted it is chaneeled by Lucifer to create a new reality that is entirely deperate from the Presence.

This omniversal big bang doesn't even scratch him:

http://static.flickr.com/54/127050112_477047a0e7_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/127050443_09b7ba3c94_o.jpg


And slightly less impressive, remmember the Source wall?

The one holding the promethian giants, Darkseid, anything that touches it with nothing ever being able to get to the other side?

Lucifer ignores it and The source , and it apparently doesn't move , so that he (Lucifer) can take a good view of all creation.

He also shows the ability to watch everything ahppening in the universe at once without any difficulty and finding someone.


http://static.flickr.com/52/127047035_6b354349e8_o.jpg


Now, a few scenes from Lucifer as he builds himself a universe quickly (This is just a test version for him).


http://static.flickr.com/47/127058603_9321906be4_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/52/127059023_1125af790f_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/52/127058345_560888767b_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/52/127059350_f5b12d5ca5_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/36/127059568_d75e8b6820_o.jpg

Lucifer laying out the rules in his new creation, note the SUN inside his hands:

http://static.flickr.com/44/127109552_79d5066e8a_o.jpg?v=0 wheres there penis and vagina in that one scan?

*sigh*

meh they say it was only a universe he made i wish there was proof that he made a multiverse.

Originally posted by Mider
meh they say it was only a universe he made i wish there was proof that he made a multiverse.
He needs his brothers help too make a multiverse I think.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I love Lucifer and have all his comics however youre hyping up the scale of Michaels explosion. As per Vertigo continuity where the majority these scans stem from, the Presences creation is just a universe as stated on panel.

With the demiurgic matter unleashed Lucifer went on to shape himself a universe also:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716032260.jpg&s=x11

Lucifer shaped a universe and the Presences creation is also a universe.

Again Lucifer referring to his universe:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716103930.jpg&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716153878.jpg&s=x11

All of this talk about omniversal and even multiversal scale explosions is just hype from fansites. I agree. At first I used to take a lot of what was said as fact because I had only a few Lucifer comics. But since that time I have the entire series from the beginning to when Elaine took over as God. The series is very enjoyable but there are many exaggeration's on the parts of members

Lucifer vs the 2 Titans who at this points had all the powers attributed to Yahweh.
They had all of Yahweh's powers who had left creation earlier, although they weren't very good with omnicience yet.:
They had prep time before marching on the silver city and Lucifer (who had previously foguht them, I'll scan that later):
They also made a copy of Lucifer with his powers that would suck away his powers and destroy him on contact based on memories of him:
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Lucifer still manages to destroy the all powerful Titans by attacking them through time at the point before they gained the powers of yahweh:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ddofer/127448131

Here's some with Micheal. Imbued with he power of the Presence, most powerful being after the presence, created the first matter?
When he and Lucifer travel to Yggdrasil both are apparently weakened/injured thought to an equal degree.
Lucifer is driven into a killing frenzy by the blood of Fenris god of Destruction, endings, entropy, annihalation etc' (Blame it on Elaine feeding it to him, him regaining control shortly after is an another mindboggingly impressive feat).
He then fights Michael, guess who wins :
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You heard it, Lucifer is the most dangerous being there is (power isn't everything), Lucifer also didn't have the benefit of his mind here, so it even played to his weaknesses making it even more impressive.

Lucifer stops the army of the Lillim before it destroys the silver city :
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Note that Fenris is the wolf, he is the immortal god of destruction, anything that , he's incredibly powerful and is empowered even more by the destruction of all creation and the poisoning of Yggdrasils' roots.
http://static.flickr.com/46/127825353_e94ae68b17_o.jpg.

Lucifer recovers very shortly afterwards, and this is after Lucifer was weakened beforehand, and affected by the unravelling of creation and biding of his own creation to the unravelling at Yggdrasil's roots, and he was hit by a sucker attack by the incredibly powerful child of the Basanos earlier (that didn't affect him).

Lucifer doesn't get the respect he deserves on KMC, so I'm loading this thread up with some feats.

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With a gesture Lucifer blows the head off of Fenris.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
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With a gesture Lucifer blows the head off of Fenris. and this was done when lucifer didnt have his wings.....thyis means he wasnt at full power

Originally posted by galan7777777
and this was done when lucifer didnt have his wings.....thyis means he wasnt at full power Bump.

Yes he killed Fenris when he wasn't at full power (Fenris the immortal god of destruction or suppose to be).

Originally posted by kevdude
Yes he killed Fenris when he wasn't at full power (Fenris the immortal god of destruction or suppose to be). fenris was at full power, but yes lucifer killed him like nothing

Originally posted by galan7777777
fenris was at full power, but yes lucifer killed him like nothing

Well I meant that Lucifer(he) wasn't at full power.

the three big hitters in lucifer/sandman
1. lucifer morningstar

the three big hitters in lucifer/sandman
2. the sandman

the three big hitters in lucifer/sandman
3. destiny

I love the Lucifer Morningstar series, just as much as I love Spawn series, as much as I loved Crossgen's "The First" as well.

However, it bugs me when fanboys hype up Lucifer beyond his true power, in a pathetic attempt to make him appear more powerful or more "cool" than another character from other series.

You do not have to do that....do not insult Lucifer Morningstar by exxagerating his prowess, as he does not need it. He is great enough as is, so please fanboys...cut the sh*t !

Lucifer Morningstar NEVER created a multiverse, he CLEARLY on panel created a UNIVERSE, which is an impressive enough feat, and does not need to be exxagerated in an attempt to make him more comparable to Living Tribunal or whatever.

I love the series, but damn, I hate it when people lie and exxagerate just to pump up thier favorite character, as if Lucifer NEEDS to be pumped up anymore...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I love the Lucifer Morningstar series, just as much as I love Spawn series, as much as I loved Crossgen's "The First" as well.

However, it bugs me when fanboys hype up Lucifer beyond his true power, in a pathetic attempt to make him appear more powerful or more "cool" than another character from other series.

You do not have to do that....do not insult Lucifer Morningstar by exxagerating his prowess, as he does not need it. He is great enough as is, so please fanboys...cut the sh*t !

Lucifer Morningstar NEVER created a multiverse, he CLEARLY on panel created a UNIVERSE, which is an impressive enough feat, and does not need to be exxagerated in an attempt to make him more comparable to Living Tribunal or whatever.

I love the series, but damn, I hate it when people lie and exxagerate just to pump up thier favorite character, as if Lucifer NEEDS to be pumped up anymore... agreed, lucifer is one of my favorites as well, but to say it was a multiversal blast isnt true, how can a multiversal blast only have enough energy within it to create a universe lol

So...

Lucifer vs Beyonder how does he compare!

Really if he's second to god shouldn't he beat anyone else by defition?

I almost forgot about this thread...

Well, Lucifer would beat the current Beyonder easily.

Now... everyone is actually wrong about this...
Lucifer goes outside of creation, with a hurt Micheal.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8989/luciferuniversep17ih2.th.jpg

Then he just creates a big bang out of nowhere.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3876/luciferuniversep1819zu3.th.jpg

And... now he has his own universe. He also healed Micheal, it seems.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3073/luciferuniversep20fx4.th.jpg

Now, who else has created a universe that easily?

Also, there was three universes in the Lucifer series.
Lucifer's, God's, and Elaine's (with Micheal's power).
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6783/lucifer58p02gz2.th.jpg

Lucifer was trying to get Elaine used to her power, in those scans.

Also, as an add on to the Fenris/Lucifer fight.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7750/lucifer68p09mf1.th.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2305/lucifer68p13fa8.th.jpg

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She thought that Lucifer was powerless when he started the fight, but he had hid his power.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1145/lucifer68p19hw0.th.jpg

Lucifer didn't have wings, and he was also weakening from God not being there. The first attack he did, was blow Fenris's head off, and kill the immortal God of destruction.

Originally posted by bigbran
Now... everyone is actually wrong about this...
Lucifer goes outside of creation, with a hurt Micheal.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8989/luciferuniversep17ih2.th.jpg

Then he just creates a big bang out of nowhere.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3876/luciferuniversep1819zu3.th.jpg

And... now he has his own universe. He also healed Micheal, it seems.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3073/luciferuniversep20fx4.th.jpg

Now, who else has created a universe that easily?
OK, what happened was this.
Lucifer killed Michael, and his death and rebirth had created the universe.
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/5774/lucifer21p03yi3.th.jpg

Proof Lucifer created a Multiverse:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/lucifermultiverse.jpg

From Lucifer: Nirvana, page 5.

Hi all,

I'm thinking of running a Vertigo/DC game over at rpol.net. I'm reading up on things I've missed out on since Sandman and a few issues of Lucifer. My player characters are going to be incarnations of the Tarot- probably offspring of the Basanos.

Questions: What became of the egg the Basanos laid in Jill Presto? Did the Basanos ever state a purpose for their drive to reproduce? Why did Meleos need a means of divination in creating it/them?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

The egg was actually twins, one of them died in the Mansions of Silence, the other one negotiated with Jill while still unborn and agreed to give up her vendetta and was just born to her as a normal human child.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The egg was actually twins, one of them died in the Mansions of Silence, the other one negotiated with Jill while still unborn and agreed to give up her vendetta and was just born to her as a normal human child.

Thanks Endless Mike!

No problem

suppose that settles it once and for all. lucifer created a multiverse.

Here we go, a few more scans of LM's power .

Here he easily destroys the dimension of the Mansions of Silence
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Makes 2 goddesses in his Multiverse (one of them being Elaine).
http://static.flickr.com/55/127436991_e992e54f30_o.jpg

Here Lucifer and Elaine taking a nice truck ride and the driver tries to tell LM what to do, looks like he lost out BIG time. poor guy.
http://static.flickr.com/51/130017636_1f931ea45d_o.jpg

Lucifer Morningstar..... He who bestows cardiac events, to child abusers:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc1.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc2.jpg

History of Lucifer (I): "The first War in Heaven":


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History of Lucifer (II): "God makes Lucifer the ruler of Hell":


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History of Lucifer (III): "Lucifer Gives up his position, as Hell's ruler":


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Originally posted by Galan007
History of Lucifer (III): "Lucifer Gives up his position, as Hell's ruler":


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Lucifer says he's no longer an angel. But he's definately not a demon. So he's saying he is a fallen angel. I've always wondered what's with the bat wings? He's later shown with white featherly wings.

He can change the appearance of his wings, I guess.

He's Lucifer... he can do whatever the f*ck he wants.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Lucifer says he's no longer an angel. But he's definately not a demon. So he's saying he is a fallen angel. I've always wondered what's with the bat wings? He's later shown with white featherly wings.

It's stated by the Chinese god that his wings reverted to their original form when he removed them.

The Titan Brothers usurped Yahweh's position as the Lord of all, when he stepped away from creation.

were God at this time]:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_titans1-1.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_titans2.jpg


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Lucifer fights, and eventually defeats the Titans by turning time back on them,

This allowed Lucifer to kill the Brothers, before they became omnipotent:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_titans3.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_titans4.jpg

Lucifer, , begins to rebel against the Archangel Gabriel, and the rest of the Heavenly Host...


-Gabriel-

"Would you challenge me before the entire host?"


-Samael, -

"Challenge you? You're like a drop of dew on a leaf, brother.":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_samael1.jpg



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-Lucifer, to the Heavenly Host-


"And look, the Sun is rising, and you cannot stop it."

"All the Suns of all the Worlds, in fact."

"Set the children free --- Or those Suns will dance in this fountain, , and the ashes of your holiness will mix with the ashes of your city.":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_samael2.jpg



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Lucifer renounces and leaves Heaven, choosing to make a path of his own.... :

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_samael3.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_samael4.jpg

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Lucifer is apparently quite fast...


"He could have circled the Earth, if he chose to, before his image faded from Mazikeen's eye":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luciferspeed1.jpg


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Lucifer's Cosmos was able to dim the sight of the "all seeing" Basanos...

Because even though he was all but powerless at the time, Lucifer's Cosmos still expressed his own will.... And he willed the Basanos blind to his plans:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luciferwill.jpg


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Lucifer instantly resurrects a monster that he vanquished eons ago, to battle the Titan Brothers...

"What I killed I can bring back.... That's also a matter of will":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc1-1.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc2-1.jpg

This scan was already posted, but it's barely readable...


Dream of the Endless, on Lucifer...


"Of all the Angels, he was the wisest, the most beautiful, the most powerful."

"Saving only his Creator, he is, perhaps, the most powerful being there is."

-"More powerful then you?"-

"Oh yes. by far":

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_dream_samael1.jpg

Here is some more. Misran offering Lucifer a million warriors to defend his Multiverse for him, Lucifers creation that stretches into infinity. Lucifer declines stating "I am my own army, a million times more numerous than yours".

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001copyhe7.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0004le1.jpg

Lucifer talks to Spectre like he's nothing... And even ends up calling him a "stupid bugger":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc_spectre1.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc_spectre2.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer talks to Spectre like he's nothing... And even ends up calling him a "stupid bugger":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc_spectre1.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_luc_spectre2.jpg I don't understand where you get "like he's nothing." They were just talking casually.

Lucifer warps Morpheus's dimension, and isn't worried about incurring the Dream Lord's wrath one bit:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_lucifer_door1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_lucifer_door2.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
This scan was already posted, but it's barely readable...


Dream of the Endless, on Lucifer...


"Of all the Angels, he was the wisest, the most beautiful, the most powerful."

"Saving only his Creator, he is, perhaps, the most powerful being there is."

-"More powerful then you?"-

"Oh yes. by far":

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_dream_samael1.jpg


Guess they never heard of Michael.

Samael/Lucifer Moringstar wasn't the third one created as you seem to infer from meelos wording he stated michael first as he does not like Lucifer besides mike/lucy are basicly twins but there have been implications that point to lucy being the elder of the two.

Out of interest, surely Michael/Lucifer/Gabriel are the 2nd group of beings created, considering the introduction of The First Of The Fallen into continuity?

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Out of interest, surely Michael/Lucifer/Gabriel are the 2nd group of beings created, considering the introduction of The First Of The Fallen into continuity?

Who says the continuity in which Synnar was introduced is the same continuity in which Lucifer and Michael were ?

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Out of interest, surely Michael/Lucifer/Gabriel are the 2nd group of beings created, considering the introduction of The First Of The Fallen into continuity? Despite the similarities, Vertigo and DC = two completely separate continuities.

Originally posted by Galan007
Despite the similarities, Vertigo and DC = two completely separate continuities. I dont think Hellblazer falls directly on dc continuity. Also their are hints that both Lucifer and Hellblazer are related such as the fact that Gabriel never really makes an appearance in Lucifer except for for a backstory(probably because of the events that went down in hellblazer). Also it falls in continuity perfectly that even though the first of the fallen was in hell first it was Lucifer who was its ruler. They even mention why in a backstory of the first. Also how Constantine made a few appearances in Lucifers bar.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I meant the First of The Fallen from Hellblazer, rather than Starlin's newest WTFPWNALL villain aka Synnar the Demiurge.

I mean, I haven't read it yet, but isn't something explained in Hellblazer that puts it in the same continuity as Lucifer/Sandman etc? Thus Lucifer/Michael etc would be created after The First? I read quite a bit of Hellblazer but I might be missing a few things about the first, but as far as I know it is not said that the first of the fallen was the first created, just the first to arrive in hell. As for Lucifer/Hellblazer continuity, I think it is problematic in a few ways, but there's obviously been interactions...the first of the fallen initially was supposed to just be the devil I think, but with the popularity of Lucifer he got remodeled as the First. They appeared around the same time in Hellblazer and Sandman didn't they?

Nevermind, I read up some more, I was obviously missing some crucial parts of the First's biography.

Originally posted by Draco69
He can make a Creation. Which is a multiverse.

Hey, sorry for bothering. But, remember the classic Beyonder? He was a Megaverse, which included a multitude of Multiverses. If that was the form of organisation in DC also. Could Lucifer create Megaverses, if that was the Creation?

yes he could

can someone tell me where the first post's scans come from??

thanks!

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yes he could

Thanks. That directly places him above the Beyonder I guess.

Love this thread.

Originally posted by R3d33m3r
can someone tell me where the first post's scans come from??

thanks!

anyone???