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Okay. It is Wolverine's razr sharp Adamantium claws versus the most durable skins in the Marvel universe. Does he win all the time?
For starters: Thing, Hulk, Sasquatch, Emma Frost, and the one that i always have trouble with: Colossus!!!!!!!

discuss.

What do you mean scratch or stab

probably stab, I think he can cut all of them

that is too be determined. for instance.

Claws vs. Thing's skin.

somebody posts: they can only scratch.

what is being discussed is how his claws do against the skin. can they slice, scratch, peal, whatever.

Yes thats easy

Wolverine has penetrated the things skin before. He has penetrated Hulks also...and definitely he could stab Sasquatch, Wendigo's natural claws cut the Sasquatch.

but Wendigo is a beast. Wolvy cut him. pretty amazing. but has Wolvy ever cut Colossus????

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
that is too be determined. for instance.

Claws vs. Thing's skin.

somebody posts: they can only scratch.

what is being discussed is how his claws do against the skin. can they slice, scratch, peal, whatever.
He once messed up Thing's face badly by accidentally cutting him and stabbed him right though the shoulder on a separate occasion.

I know that Wolverine has cut Thing deep in the face and sliced Grey Hulk stomach.

To Ultimate Stryfe
Cut don't think so but he can scratch him to have a scar

He also slashed the crap outta Namor

Originally posted by Broly92
Cut don't think so but he can scratch him to have a scar
The Thing was oozing orange stuff from his face.

Originally posted by badabing
The Thing was oozing orange stuff from his face.
I edited to show who I was talking to

Originally posted by Broly92
I edited to show who I was talking to
Cool.

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
that is too be determined. for instance.

Claws vs. Thing's skin.

somebody posts: they can only scratch.

what is being discussed is how his claws do against the skin. can they slice, scratch, peal, whatever.

This is very debateable

I think that the claws are sharp enougth to pentrate Ben's skin.

Wolverine just isnt strong enougth to deliver the force to really hurt Ben's rocky hide.

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
He also slashed the crap outta Namor

Also known as Bullcrap

adamantuim can cut through anything if enough force is applied.
wolverine has cut colossus in ultimate x-men, i don't know if he has in any other x-men but i don't see why not.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Also known as Bullcrap

Maybe, but it happened...but Namor and Wolverine will duke it out again in Wolverine # 45...we'll c what happens. http://marvel.com/catalog/?book_title=Wolverine

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Maybe, but it happened...but Namor and Wolverine will duke it out again in Wolverine # 45...we'll c what happens. http://marvel.com/catalog/?book_title=Wolverine

Namor is going to kick his ass thats what's going to happen

Originally posted by The Pict
adamantuim can cut through anything if enough force is applied.
wolverine has cut colossus in ultimate x-men, i don't know if he has in any other x-men but i don't see why not.

Yep.

Thats the big question though is force.

I mean if you ask me, Wolverine shouldnt be stabbing through guys like Thing, Sasquatch and Colossus unless he is thrown or launched or somthing by tremendous force.

Well anything except Adamantium and Cap's Sheild

Or maybe this'll happen


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/fear_me/WolvievsNamor.jpg

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Or maybe this'll happen


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/fear_me/WolvievsNamor.jpg

If it does I may never read another marvel comic again

theres always DC comics

Originally posted by The Pict
adamantuim can cut through anything if enough force is applied.
wolverine has cut colossus in ultimate x-men, i don't know if he has in any other x-men but i don't see why not. Wolerine has never cut Colossus. That was a danger room hologram he cut, not the real deal.

Wolverine has tried to cut Colossus in Ult. and 616 universes and the result was just sparks on both occasions.

If he can do this to Thanos, he sure can pull it off on Ben.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/wolviestabsthanos.jpg

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If he can do this to Thanos, he sure can pull it off on Ben.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/wolviestabsthanos.jpg
I like Wolverine but that pic is just too much.

Originally posted by The Pict
adamantuim can cut through anything if enough force is applied.

There'in lies the rub.

Originally posted by badabing
I like Wolverine but that pic is just too much.

I agree, another ridiculous wolverine moment brought to you by Marvel.

Originally posted by badabing
I like Wolverine but that pic is just too much.

Hey, it's not like he killed the guy.

It was worse in the Marvel vs DC crossover...he did it with Bone claws after beating Lobo.

Wulvereen Pwime r0xXorZ!!!

Wolverine attempting to cut 616 Colossus.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossustakingWolverinedown.jpg

Wolverine attemting to cut Ult. Colossus.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/UltimateColossus.jpg

I am not saying Colossus is tougher than adamantium I'm just saying Wolverine is not strong enough to do any real damage.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hey, it's not like he killed the guy.
I know, but it's freakin' Thanos. Thanos noggin knocked the Hulk and Thing.

Originally posted by badabing
I like Wolverine but that pic is just too much.

co-signed

I love Thanos reaction to that though

Originally posted by badabing
I know, but it's freakin' Thanos. Thanos noggin knocked the Hulk and Thing.

With ease for that matter

Originally posted by badabing
I know, but it's freakin' Thanos. Thanos noggin knocked the Hulk and Thing.

Then this one takes the cake...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/wolvcutsthanos.jpg

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then this one takes the cake...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/wolvcutsthanos.jpg

With bone claws none the less

Originally posted by Grimm22
With bone claws none the less

Jobber aura was max on this one.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then this one takes the cake...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/wolvcutsthanos.jpg
rantingfuriouseek2eercursing

What's even funnier is that Wolvie beat Lobo in brawl, yet a blast from Thanos only knocks him down???

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What's even funnier is that Wolvie beat Lobo in brawl, yet a blast from Thanos only knocks him down???

Ugh crossovers

Ugh the 90's

Ugh PIS

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What's even funnier is that Wolvie beat Lobo in brawl, yet a blast from Thanos only knocks him down???
PLEASE STOP! blowup

Whaaat? Did that actually happen, I thought it was just a wolverine fanboy rumor.. Damm. (I was aware of the 2 other occasions, but not that last one.).. Bone claws are sufficent to make Thanos bleed.. Right.. Maybe it was a Skrull?

wont do a damn thing if he cuts hulk. he has a healing factor. much faster than wolvies

Originally posted by Grimm22
This is very debateable

I think that the claws are sharp enougth to pentrate Ben's skin.

Wolverine just isnt strong enougth to deliver the force to really hurt Ben's rocky hide.

yup....... you would think that

LOL

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
Okay. It is Wolverine's razr sharp Adamantium claws versus the most durable skins in the Marvel universe. Does he win all the time?
For starters: Thing, Hulk, Sasquatch, Emma Frost, and the one that i always have trouble with: Colossus!!!!!!!

discuss.


You forgot to list the most durable skin of all in the Marvel Universe.....

THE SILVER SURFER!!!

If Wolverine had his adamantium claws and Silver Surfer said "Hey, let's see if those claws of yours can cut me...!!", could Wolverine do it?? Could he slash ol' chrome dome??

He actually did in a what if story

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
You forgot to list the most durable skin of all in the Marvel Universe.....

THE SILVER SURFER!!!

If Wolverine had his adamantium claws and Silver Surfer said "Hey, let's see if those claws of yours can cut me...!!", could Wolverine do it?? Could he slash ol' chrome dome??

hasn't he already?

Here you go...I can't believe I just sold out my favourite character for Wolverine of all people.

Just note, that there were a lot of dodgy things in this book.
1.) Being the thing I'm about to show you, nothing should be able to cut perfectly smooth diamond.(It has no pressure points) Normal diamonds have pressure points, Emma's doesn't because it's perfectly smooth.(It can only be shattered through that one flaw and even that's debatable after the Phoenix re-assembled her)

2.)Emma gains level 5 strength(Marvel Handbook) in her diamond form, yet she cannot throw a mere human away?

3.)She bleeds in her Diamond Form? She was shattered before and there was no blood involved.

4.)Emma has gotten passed TP blockers before, electronics are her specialty yet she struggles against these.

Personally I thought this whole book screwed everything up...

But anyway...

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3654/newxmen090271ux.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1051/newxmen100277ky.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1181/newxmen130273kq.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1665/newxmen170276lg.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4594/newxmen190276iu.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1889/newxmen200273ab.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/489/newxmen210272yq.jpg

Oh I forgot to mention, that Emma has shown plenty of feats of strength in her diamond form. For example the New X-Men comic before that where she lifts Elixir by the neck with one hand. So it's not just the handbook.

IMO what happened above is just a load of PIS ,to further the plot. I mean not even Danger could find a way past Emma's diamond form and she/he had a vast amount of resources that includes everything in the Danger Room. That's why he had to resort to blackmail.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If he can do this to Thanos, he sure can pull it off on Ben.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/wolviestabsthanos.jpg


why don't people ever post the whole thing ? his "death" blow did less than nothing to Thanos, it didn't even scrach him. the words were Captian America's narriation and supprize at Wolverine's ability to even be able to deliver the death blow.

Anyway Wolverine should never be able to cut Mr. Fantastic's skin
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3711/file00042zp.jpg

Originally posted by complexbrother
why don't people ever post the whole thing ? his "death" blow did less than nothing to Thanos, it didn't even scrach him. the words were Captian America's narriation and supprize at Wolverine's ability to even be able to deliver the death blow.


Actually it was Adam Warlock's narroration if im not mistaken

Originally posted by jinzin
hasn't he already?

The day that Wolverine even comes close to hurting the Surfer is when I stop reading Marvel Comics

Originally posted by jinzin
yup....... you would think that

LOL

What

Its true. Wolverine isnt strong enougth to fully penetrate Ben's skin like he did in Enemy of the State.

The only way would be if someone or somthing like the fastball special.

Originally posted by jinzin
hasn't he already?

*sigh*

I sincerely hope not. Someone who flies through black holes like nothing should not be cut by Wolverine. I guess it's yet another instance where Wolverine's opponent is written weakly...seems that he doesn't have a chance against them otherwise.

Wolverine only cut Surfer in a 'What If?' Comic.


http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2787/1292920798yb.jpg

Originally posted by Grimm22
What

Its true. Wolverine isnt strong enougth to fully penetrate Ben's skin like he did in Enemy of the State.

The only way would be if someone or somthing like the fastball special.
How much strength do you believe Logan needs in order pull it off?

Originally posted by Accel
How much strength do you believe Logan needs in order pull it off?

More than enchanced human I would say

Dont get me wrong here, he can obviously hurt Ben. There is no doubt in that.

However stuff like that crap in Enemy of the State shouldnt be happening.

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
Okay. It is Wolverine's razr sharp Adamantium claws versus the most durable skins in the Marvel universe. Does he win all the time?
For starters: Thing, Hulk, Sasquatch, Emma Frost, and the one that i always have trouble with: Colossus!!!!!!!

discuss.

So far, Wolvie hasn't been able to cut Colosuss at all. So, I guess Colossus wins that bout.

As for the others...hm...Thing has been stabbed. Hulk has been stabbed. Sasquatch has had varying examples of durability. Emma, however, I have no clue since there's never been any evidence to prove either thing.

Anyone remember that fellow who tried to claim that Emma in her diamond form was stronger and more durable then Colossus and could defeat him?

I believe she (I think it was she) also claimed thas Superman could not break diamonds.

Thing, Hulk, Sasquatch, Emma Frost, and the one that i always have trouble with: Colossus!!!!!!!

I would like to Clear this up. Wolverine claws are the most durable metal on the planet.

1. Thing-It has been stated before that Wolverine as all ready cut Thing. HE sliced part of his face off. You forget that thing is kind of like a rock, much harder but the same.

2. Hulk-Wolverine tries really hard when stabbing Hulk. Most of the time he scratches him, but usually lunges to pierce him. (Saquatch he can stab easily)

3. Emma Frost-WOlverine can cut emma all though it is diamond, he would take a bit becuase diamond is a really hard substance. Emma would just own him even before.

4. Colossus-Wolverine actually could pierce him if he gets around him. Colossus has the abilty to rotate the density of his armor to make it stronger. When he fights wolverine he most likely redirects it the armor. WOlverine can pierce it if he had the right momentum.

Originally posted by Matty1112
Thing, Hulk, Sasquatch, Emma Frost, and the one that i always have trouble with: Colossus!!!!!!!

I would like to Clear this up. Wolverine claws are the most durable metal on the planet.

4. Colossus-Wolverine actually could pierce him if he gets around him. Colossus has the abilty to rotate the density of his armor to make it stronger. When he fights wolverine he most likely redirects it the armor. WOlverine can pierce it if he had the right momentum.

Yea, that's just it though. Theoretically, Wolverine should cut through Colossus. But, since he lacks the sufficient strength necessary to do so, he cannot.

And I'm a giant Colossus fan, yet I have never heard of this ability to rotate the density of his armor and redirect it to make it more durable. This is completely new to me. Where did you get this information?

yea......since when?

Originally posted by Matty1112
Emma Frost-WOlverine can cut emma all though it is diamond, he would take a bit becuase diamond is a really hard substance. Emma would just own him even before.

Actually according to those scans I just posted Wolverine should be able to slide his claws into Emma, like a butter knife to margarine. Which IMO really sucks...it makes me want to slap that New X-Men writer even more. How can you cut something with a molecular structure like that and no pressure points.

I can understand it being shattered by force, because enough force could rip the bonds apart.(Ie Black Bolts Scream, Super Mans Fist) But a normal human stab? I don't buy it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually according to those scans I just posted Wolverine should be able to slide his claws into Emma, like a butter knife to margarine. Which IMO really sucks...it makes me want to slap that New X-Men writer even more. How can you cut something with a molecular structure like that and no pressure points.

I can understand it being shattered by force, because enough force could rip the bonds apart.(Ie Black Bolts Scream, Super Mans Fist) But a normal human stab? I don't buy it.

Wha?

I love New X-men.

It made sense too

The toughest skins in Marvel (non-cosmic)

1. Mr. Fantastic

2. Colossus

3. Thing

4. Hulk

5. Emma Frost

6. Sasquatch

Wolverine cannot pierce the first 2's skins. Its impossible

Wolverine can pierce the second 2's skins, however not without major effort.

Wolverine can pierce the thrid 2's skins with some effort

Originally posted by complexbrother
Anyway Wolverine should never be able to cut Mr. Fantastic's skin
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3711/file00042zp.jpg

Mr Fantastic:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1503/wolverinevol322page175qw.th.jpg

And here's Benjy:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3991/wolverinevol322page150tu.th.jpg

cool

Does anyone have the scans of when Wolverine made the thing's face ooze?

Originally posted by Grimm22
The toughest skins in Marvel (non-cosmic)

1. Mr. Fantastic

2. Colossus

3. Thing

4. Hulk

5. Emma Frost

6. Sasquatch

Wolverine cannot pierce the first 2's skins. Its impossible

Wolverine can pierce the second 2's skins, however not without major effort.

Wolverine can pierce the thrid 2's skins with some effort

Wolverine culd cut Mr. Fantastc's skin, but Mr. F keeps stretching to avoid his claws he even says that in Enemy of the State.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wha?

I love New X-men.

It made sense too

Don't get me wrong I love New X-Men, it's far better then the likes of Uncanny. However New X-Men #27 made no sense.
They screwed around with continuity. Check this:

New X-Men #25 (Two comics before this one)

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2818/newxmen025141wd.jpg

You're telling me that she can slam Elixir into the wall with one hand.(Look at the damage she caused to the wall). But she can't toss a women across the room?
It's PIS if you asked me, she's been snapping necks and tossing men out of windows for years now.

And a Vibranium knife cutting a pressure pointless diamond is idiotic aswell. If her Diamond form could be cut by a silly knife, then Danger from the Astonishing series would have done it, instead of resorting to blackmail.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3654/newxmen090271ux.jpg

Also notice how she bleeds in that form?

Well here's some more food for thought:
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8081/p233tu.jpg

The whole thing happened to further the plot...and in doing so contradicted a whole lot of X history.

Information on Danger:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9763/05streetsamuraidcp149wo.jpgp/url]

Here's the Danger scene.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/4946/untitledscanned135ru.jpg
He wasn't hesitant to kill, why not just slice right through her if he could?
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6558/untitledscanned213cn.jpg
Blackmail:
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/3440/untitledscanned225ki.jpg
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6592/untitledscanned237io.jpg

She can manifest virtually any weapon or shielding required. Which should include a Vibranium and Adamantium knife. Level 5 strength, that should be enough force to plunge a knife through. If it could it would have.

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Does anyone have the scans of when Wolverine made the thing's face ooze?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/WolverinecuttinThing.jpg

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Originally posted by Grimm22
The day that Wolverine even comes close to hurting the Surfer is when I stop reading Marvel Comics

you promise?

Originally posted by Grimm22
What

Its true. Wolverine isnt strong enougth to fully penetrate Ben's skin like he did in Enemy of the State.

The only way would be if someone or somthing like the fastball special.

or false rather...

since he HAS penetrated things skin.. twice...

me too. that would be the end of the line. it's like Batman vs. Galactus(people WILL debate it!).

Originally posted by jinzin
or false rather...

since he HAS penetrated things skin.. twice...

I dont consider slashing his face to be penetrating his skin

Also, Enemy of the State was PIS on Ben's part.

Seriously Ben knows Wolverine's fighting style, as does Wolverine know Ben's, I would probobly agree with the outcome of this fight if Mark Millar made it more understandable then, oh he leaped and a claw went into his arm and that made Ben cripple in Pain

Bullcrap

Originally posted by jinzin
you promise?

Scouts Honor

Originally posted by Grimm22
Scouts Honor

are you one?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Don't get me wrong I love New X-Men, it's far better then the likes of Uncanny. However New X-Men #27 made no sense.
They screwed around with continuity. Check this:

New X-Men #25 (Two comics before this one)

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2818/newxmen025141wd.jpg

You're telling me that she can slam Elixir into the wall with one hand.(Look at the damage she caused to the wall). But she can't toss a women across the room?
It's PIS if you asked me, she's been snapping necks and tossing men out of windows for years now.

And a Vibranium knife cutting a pressure pointless diamond is idiotic aswell. If her Diamond form could be cut by a silly knife, then Danger from the Astonishing series would have done it, instead of resorting to blackmail.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3654/newxmen090271ux.jpg

Also notice how she bleeds in that form?

Well here's some more food for thought:
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8081/p233tu.jpg

The whole thing happened to further the plot...and in doing so contradicted a whole lot of X history.

You got a point there

Still though that was a great issue

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
are you one?

Used to be

Then I had to spend a week at Scout camp

Yeah, then I quit

Eagle Proj. this summer.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I dont consider slashing his face to be penetrating his skin

THIS wasn't penetration?

http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thing6rs.jpg

he went clear through thing's face.. that's effin penetration...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Also, Enemy of the State was PIS on Ben's part.
oh really?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Seriously Ben knows Wolverine's fighting style, as does Wolverine know Ben's, it's amazing who I KNOW you know about jack shit about wolverie and yet you continue to impress with every post you prove you know even less then the one before...

dude.. wolverine doesn't have a fighting style.. he has a plethora of them... mulitudes of them, and when he really gets going no-one can predict his next move, not psychics or himself...

ben has fought with wolverine on several occasions and none of them were very long fights and NONE of them were fights in which wolverine used much skill if any at all... assuming wolverine actually started to use his fighting ability thing would be beside himself.. probably very literally as wolverine would have chopped him in half...

Originally posted by Grimm22
I would probobly agree with the outcome of this fight if Mark Millar made it more understandable then, oh he leaped and a claw went into his arm and that made Ben cripple in Pain

Bullcrap of course you would.. anything where wolverine doesn't look like a bafoon is PIS in your opinion.. that doesn't mean much.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I dont consider slashing his face to be penetrating his skin If the face slash hadn't penetrated the skin then Thing would not have been disfigured. Thing was disfigured, therefor the claws did penetrate the skin, by a couple of inches at least.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Also, Enemy of the State was PIS on Ben's part. Considering Wolverine slashed through Ben's face before this statement is false and makes no sense.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Seriously Ben knows Wolverine's fighting style Yeah right. Ben has fought Wolverine about three times, each fight lasting about 2 seconds. How are you going to learn anyone's fighting style in 6 seconds??? You can't.

If the Shiva program can't pin down Wolverine's fighting style (which is what it was made for) Thing hasn't got a chance of knowing Wolverine's fighting style.

dance

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So far, Wolvie hasn't been able to cut Colosuss at all. So, I guess Colossus wins that bout.
Wolverine cut 616 Colossus in Uncanny Annual # 6.
"Organic Steel is super strong, but no match for pure adamantium"
-Straight from the mouth of Claremont himself.

In 616 Colossus is absolutely scared *hitless of Wolverine's claws on multiple occasions. He was scared of the claws very early in the new teams danger room missions. Colossus is still deathly afraid of Wolverine's claws during a Danger Room "tag" game with Cannon Ball. Colossus is so frightened he falls over trying to avoid Wolverine's swipe. Why be afraid of something, if it can't hurt you?

Wolverine can cut through the strongest metals in the Marvel universe like they are paper, like the time he cut a giant hole through foot thick omnium steel with no resistance. Colossus is organic steel. We dont know exactly where that ranges on the steel scale, but simple metal javelins have been shoved through him by Deathbird.

In the Exiles book Mimic employs Colossus' organic steel and Wolverine cuts through it with no problem. Mimic has to use Wolverine's healing factor to keep from dying.

In the Ultimate Universe in a Danger Room sequence Wolverine cuts Colossus easily. I dont think he would have made the comments he made, unless the Danger Room was supposed to simulate Colossus' powers accurately, otherwise he's just having a pointless fantasy conversation for no reason.

Emma Frost was watching the scrap between Colossus and Wolverine in the Danger Room and she clearly thinks Wolverine would kill Colossus if he wanted to, hinting that Wolverine should be able to cut Colossus. Considering Emma seems to be on a level with Xavier in Ultimate she should have an excellent idea about Colossus' durability versus Wolverine's cutting ability.

There was also a large shower of sparks when Wolverine hits Colossus, effectively hiding what the slash did to Colossus. Yet the presense of sparks indicates something was cut or damaged. We know adamantium wont be damaged by cutting anything, so it seems it would have to be Colossus that was damaged.

Colossus asks Wolverine to cut him. Why would he ask Wolverine to cut him if Wolverine couldn't do it?

Wolverine says to Colossus that his claws will go straight through Colossus, just like he was a giant voodoo doll. Why would Wolverine say that if it wasn't true.

Wolverine's claws are said to be able to cut anything, based on the amount of strength he can put into the blow. Nowhere in that sentence does it say Wolverine isn't strong enough to cut anything. It said the amount of penetration depends on how much leverage and strength Wolverine can apply. A weak blow can cut through steel easily, but would barely scratch someone of superhuman durability. A standing thrust will impale Thing, but not completely penetrate the Hulk. A full strength leaping slash should cut anything.

Only thing Wolverine shouldn't cut through is certain magic protection (Juggs) and forcefields.

Holy crap. How do does fighting Terrax and Morg in the land of infinite axes not leave a mark but Wolverine leaves his brains hanging out of his skull yet he still functions normally.

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine cut 616 Colossus in Uncanny Annual # 6.
"Organic Steel is super strong, but no match for pure adamantium"
-Straight from the mouth of Claremont himself.

In 616 Colossus is absolutely scared *hitless of Wolverine's claws on multiple occasions. He was scared of the claws very early in the new teams danger room missions. Colossus is still deathly afraid of Wolverine's claws during a Danger Room "tag" game with Cannon Ball. Colossus is so frightened he falls over trying to avoid Wolverine's swipe. Why be afraid of something, if it can't hurt you?

Wolverine can cut through the strongest metals in the Marvel universe like they are paper, like the time he cut a giant hole through foot thick omnium steel with no resistance. Colossus is organic steel. We dont know exactly where that ranges on the steel scale, but simple metal javelins have been shoved through him by Deathbird.

In the Exiles book Mimic employs Colossus' organic steel and Wolverine cuts through it with no problem. Mimic has to use Wolverine's healing factor to keep from dying.

In the Ultimate Universe in a Danger Room sequence Wolverine cuts Colossus easily. I dont think he would have made the comments he made, unless the Danger Room was supposed to simulate Colossus' powers accurately, otherwise he's just having a pointless fantasy conversation for no reason.

Emma Frost was watching the scrap between Colossus and Wolverine in the Danger Room and she clearly thinks Wolverine would kill Colossus if he wanted to, hinting that Wolverine should be able to cut Colossus. Considering Emma seems to be on a level with Xavier in Ultimate she should have an excellent idea about Colossus' durability versus Wolverine's cutting ability.

There was also a large shower of sparks when Wolverine hits Colossus, effectively hiding what the slash did to Colossus. Yet the presense of sparks indicates something was cut or damaged. We know adamantium wont be damaged by cutting anything, so it seems it would have to be Colossus that was damaged.

Colossus asks Wolverine to cut him. Why would he ask Wolverine to cut him if Wolverine couldn't do it?

Wolverine says to Colossus that his claws will go straight through Colossus, just like he was a giant voodoo doll. Why would Wolverine say that if it wasn't true.

Wolverine's claws are said to be able to cut anything, based on the amount of strength he can put into the blow. Nowhere in that sentence does it say Wolverine isn't strong enough to cut anything. It said the amount of penetration depends on how much leverage and strength Wolverine can apply. A weak blow can cut through steel easily, but would barely scratch someone of superhuman durability. A standing thrust will impale Thing, but not completely penetrate the Hulk. A full strength leaping slash should cut anything.

Only thing Wolverine shouldn't cut through is certain magic protection (Juggs) and forcefields.

Wolveine cut an illusion of Colossus. The danger room simulation was just ahard light contruct. Even Xavier didn't know the limits of Colossus durability Hell Weapon X was still trying to figure it out.

The danger room clearly isnt an accurate example of the characters cpaabilities cause Cyclops kicked Logan's but easliy in the two fights they had after.

Originally posted by riceroost

Yeah right. Ben has fought Wolverine about three times, each fight lasting about 2 seconds. How are you going to learn anyone's fighting style in 6 seconds??? You can't.

If the Shiva program can't pin down Wolverine's fighting style (which is what it was made for) Thing hasn't got a chance of knowing Wolverine's fighting style.

RiceRoost - Mimic's power only absorbs half of the the orginal power. he even says it multiple times throughout the issue.

I dont think wolverine can cut throught Mr. Fantastics skin, or plastic man or anybody who has rubber power.

Collusos has been seriously wounded, nearly fatal by the executioner with adamantium weapons.

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine cut 616 Colossus in Uncanny Annual # 6.
"Organic Steel is super strong, but no match for pure adamantium"
-Straight from the mouth of Claremont himself.

In 616 Colossus is absolutely scared *hitless of Wolverine's claws on multiple occasions. He was scared of the claws very early in the new teams danger room missions. Colossus is still deathly afraid of Wolverine's claws during a Danger Room "tag" game with Cannon Ball. Colossus is so frightened he falls over trying to avoid Wolverine's swipe. Why be afraid of something, if it can't hurt you?

Wolverine can cut through the strongest metals in the Marvel universe like they are paper, like the time he cut a giant hole through foot thick omnium steel with no resistance. Colossus is organic steel. We dont know exactly where that ranges on the steel scale, but simple metal javelins have been shoved through him by Deathbird.

In the Exiles book Mimic employs Colossus' organic steel and Wolverine cuts through it with no problem. Mimic has to use Wolverine's healing factor to keep from dying.

In the Ultimate Universe in a Danger Room sequence Wolverine cuts Colossus easily. I dont think he would have made the comments he made, unless the Danger Room was supposed to simulate Colossus' powers accurately, otherwise he's just having a pointless fantasy conversation for no reason.

Emma Frost was watching the scrap between Colossus and Wolverine in the Danger Room and she clearly thinks Wolverine would kill Colossus if he wanted to, hinting that Wolverine should be able to cut Colossus. Considering Emma seems to be on a level with Xavier in Ultimate she should have an excellent idea about Colossus' durability versus Wolverine's cutting ability.

There was also a large shower of sparks when Wolverine hits Colossus, effectively hiding what the slash did to Colossus. Yet the presense of sparks indicates something was cut or damaged. We know adamantium wont be damaged by cutting anything, so it seems it would have to be Colossus that was damaged.

Colossus asks Wolverine to cut him. Why would he ask Wolverine to cut him if Wolverine couldn't do it?

Wolverine says to Colossus that his claws will go straight through Colossus, just like he was a giant voodoo doll. Why would Wolverine say that if it wasn't true.

Wolverine's claws are said to be able to cut anything, based on the amount of strength he can put into the blow. Nowhere in that sentence does it say Wolverine isn't strong enough to cut anything. It said the amount of penetration depends on how much leverage and strength Wolverine can apply. A weak blow can cut through steel easily, but would barely scratch someone of superhuman durability. A standing thrust will impale Thing, but not completely penetrate the Hulk. A full strength leaping slash should cut anything.

Only thing Wolverine shouldn't cut through is certain magic protection (Juggs) and forcefields.

Wow. Alright then. My turn.

To start off, I have the entire Ultimate X-men series, so I wouldn't try that. The "Danger Room" sequence you speak of all took place inside Wolverine's mind. That's why he was able to easily take out Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Storm, Iceman, and Colossus at the same time. It was all an illusion, and not even an accurate one. First of all, both Iceman and Storm just charged right into Wolverine and his claws, instead of well, using their powers. Anyway, my point is, that evidence is null and void. If you had actually read the issue, you would know that it holds no truth.

Second. That other Danger Room sequnce with Emma Frost watching over also doesn't prove your point. Colosuss was mad. He wanted a real fight, with real damage involved. Perhaps he figured Wolverine could cut him. He apparently figured wrong. Yea, Wolvie can create sparks of Colossus's skin, which does imply a VERY SLIGHT, MEANINGLESS amount of damage on C's part. But throughout all the comics, Wolverine has never been able to actually PIERCE Colossus.

And why is Emma on Xavier's level now? Anyway, according to everyone else on this forum, using the Ultimate Universe is evidence is "against the 'rules'", since it's a different Universe and all.

Tell me more about this Uncanny Annual #6. I would love to hear exactly how Wolverine managed to "cut" Colossus. Were there just sparks again? That seems to be all that Wolvie can create when trying to attack Colossus. I'd like to know exactly what and how it happened.

Yea, 616 Colossus is scared of Wolvie's claws. Why? Hell if I know. Every, EVERY, single showing between the two has proved Wolvie's claws futile against Colossus's skin. After the first couple of times, I wouldn't be as worried anymore if I were Piotr. Call me crazy, but sparks really wouldn't scare me if that all that those adamantium claws could do to me. But hey, I don't write the comics.

And yes. Strength plays a big part in what Wolverine is able to cut. Why do you think he hasn't been able to pierce Colossus's skin? C's skin is far too dense and Wolverine is not strong enough to pierce it. Sure, strength isn't always necessary, but there are definitely times when it is the most necessary aspect.

If I were to give you a titanium, diamon-hard blade, laser-sharpened and all that, and placed you in front of a 24-inch-thick (about the depth of Colossus's torso) slab of...I dunno...plexiglass even...With all of your strength, you would not be able to do any real piercing. Sure, you could probably carve a bit, but no real damage would be done. Now, replace that plexiglass with a 24"x 24" 24" slab of solid steel. Yea. You're not going anywhere with that. Even with a much harder, sharper weapon. It's just far too dense. And that is the same problem Wolverine has as well. If he had the strength of say...Spider-Man, then yes. Yes he would be able to peirce Colossus. Rather easily probably. But, since he does not, he cannot.

Originally posted by jinzin
THIS wasn't penetration?

http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thing6rs.jpg

he went clear through thing's face.. that's effin penetration...


oh really?

it's amazing who I KNOW you know about jack shit about wolverie and yet you continue to impress with every post you prove you know even less then the one before...

dude.. wolverine doesn't have a fighting style.. he has a plethora of them... mulitudes of them, and when he really gets going no-one can predict his next move, not psychics or himself...

ben has fought with wolverine on several occasions and none of them were very long fights and NONE of them were fights in which wolverine used much skill if any at all... assuming wolverine actually started to use his fighting ability thing would be beside himself.. probably very literally as wolverine would have chopped him in half...

of course you would.. anything where wolverine doesn't look like a bafoon is PIS in your opinion.. that doesn't mean much.

Oh course you forget the mention the many times that Ben has beaten Wolverine.

Oh and if I know "jack shi*" about wolverine then you must know "jack shi*" about the Thing, bub

When did ben beat wolverine. Aren't most of their fights inconclusive just like the Fantastic four vs New Fantastic four issue.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
When did ben beat wolverine. Aren't most of their fights inconclusive just like the Fantastic four vs New Fantastic four issue.

Pretty much

Still there are just as many scenes where Ben has beaten Wolverine than Wolverine has beaten Ben.

Oh course I doubt that any wolverine fan will admit that.

true.

Ben would not go down by one stab. And before fanboys say anything about nerve strike, I SERIOUSLY doubt that Ben has similar nerves then other humans.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ben would not go down by one stab. And before fanboys say anything about nerve strike, I SERIOUSLY doubt that Ben has similar nerves then other humans.

agreed

I mean dont get me wrong, Wolverine can beat Ben, same as Ben can beat Wolverine.

But when we get PIS fights like oh he got stabbed in the arm so he's just going to sit there and cry out in pain. Bullcrap, thats completely out of character for Ben.

I mean even when Wolverine scratched his face he didnt just sit there and cry, he smacked Wolverine's ass into next week.

We need the Thing/Wolverine "BONK!" picture.

What about The Blob?

Originally posted by klintypooh
What about The Blob?

Blob is just a fat guy

Seriously he has the power to be fat

How is that in any way usefull!?!?!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh course you forget the mention the many times that Ben has beaten Wolverine.

Oh and if I know "jack shi*" about wolverine then you must know "jack shi*" about the Thing, bub

your being ignorant on a subject OBVIOUSLY equates to me being ignorant on another.... yeah great logic there..


You do know jack shit about wolverine and you prove it in every post... the only POSSIBLE way you could determine that I know as little about thing as you do about wolverine is that I think wolverine can cut Ben...
which he can anyways so I'm not sure where you're pulling that crap out of besides your ass...

and the "many times" he's beaten wolverine?
uhhhhhh WHEN?

to my knowledge thing beat wolverine ONCE in a crossover in which logan was already messed up to the point that MR. Fantastic said Ben was lucky wolverine was in the shape he was...

they've fought two other times in canon material and wolverine leaves Ben reeling on both accounts....

but hey... if these "many" examples of yours are in abundance supply them... (as credible as your claims are, I mean hey there are "countless" examples of wolverine not doing well against enemies who use fire right?).

Originally posted by Grimm22
agreed

I mean dont get me wrong, Wolverine can beat Ben, same as Ben can beat Wolverine.

But when we get PIS fights like oh he got stabbed in the arm so he's just going to sit there and cry out in pain. Bullcrap, thats completely out of character for Ben.

how is it out of character.. Thing has an incredibly dense exterior but his insides are vulnerable to pain.. I mean how many times has he ben penetrated and UNEFFECTED by the blow?
you have to have a standard before making a claim like that.
Originally posted by Grimm22
I mean even when Wolverine scratched his face he didnt just sit there and cry, he smacked Wolverine's ass into next week. he smacked wolverine away.. sure.. and then what?

oh that's right wolverine got back up and in his face.. AND THEN thing doubled over in pain... and stayed that way for a while...

Before everyone blows everything way out of proportion. (too late)

I would just like to remind all of Wolverine's friends that Ben has fought Wolverine before he was the Thing.

If you haven't checked it out then you definately should.

Logan and Ben before the Fantastic Four. Both of them go at it multiple times. Very cool.

Ben did deck the little @#$% at least once during that. That's really saying something sense it was normal Ben.

Bare that in mind.

what does that have to do with wolverine's ability to cut ben?

Originally posted by jinzin
what does that have to do with wolverine's ability to cut ben?

Absolutely nothing.

I love you Jinzin.kisses

lol.. you crazy mofo...

how's work goin?

Originally posted by jinzin
lol.. you crazy mofo...

how's work goin?

Oh you know. The usual drunks, druggies, and morons that can't help but put themselves in situations that involve losing limbs.

Cool to look at, horrible to go through.

Originally posted by Psyquis52
Oh you know. The usual drunks, druggies, and morons that can't help but put themselves in situations that involve losing limbs.

Cool to look at, horrible to go through.

lol.. well you certainly have a degree of levity about it..

Originally posted by jinzin
lol.. well you certainly have a degree of levity about it.. It's either that or get depressed about it.

On the bright side they let me get on these web sites and chat my head off between working with patients.

Pretty cool actually.

yeah but on the other hand you ARE working the graveyard...

so... I have a question.. when a patient cores does the core-zero team usually have a similar degree of levity at your hospital? even during the core sometimes?

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah but on the other hand you ARE working the graveyard...

so... I have a question.. when a patient cores does the core-zero team usually have a similar degree of levity at your hospital? even during the core sometimes?

Those without any class at all like to keep their levity during those situations, but most of us buckle down and get serious.

We don't like for people to die on us. It's depressing to everyone, even the vets; but there are some people who won't take it seriously. They usually get fired.

BTW Wolverine's claws can cut Thing. Just thought you would like to know.

Originally posted by jinzin
how is it out of character.. Thing has an incredibly dense exterior but his insides are vulnerable to pain.. I mean how many times has he ben penetrated and UNEFFECTED by the blow?
you have to have a standard before making a claim like that.
he smacked wolverine away.. sure.. and then what?

oh that's right wolverine got back up and in his face.. AND THEN thing doubled over in pain... and stayed that way for a while...

Ben's interiors are also very different from those of a normal human

A stab in the arm definitly shouldn't make him scrunch up in pain.

If that fight was being well written Ben would definitly not have just layed down and cryed. Thats complete bull.

The same guy that has gone head to head with savage hulk, namor, silver surfer and Dr. Doom is going to just give up in pain because he got stabbed in the arm

Originally posted by jinzin
how is it out of character.. Thing has an incredibly dense exterior but his insides are vulnerable to pain.. I mean how many times has he ben penetrated and UNEFFECTED by the blow?
you have to have a standard before making a claim like that.
he smacked wolverine away.. sure.. and then what?
Doom tortured him for couple of days and he still was ready to take on him after that.

Wolverine stabs him one time and he faints from pain...

Yeeeaaahhh...

Like I have said before, Wolverine can't seem to defeat anyone unless they are powered down.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Doom tortured him for couple of days and he still was ready to take on him after that.

Wolverine stabs him one time and he faints from pain...

Yeeeaaahhh...

Like I have said before, Wolverine can't seem to defeat anyone unless they are powered down.
no he faint because his nerves in his body made him faint( well actaully it paralized). The place were wolverine hit in the arm is a pressure piont that many types of martial art styles teach fighters to aim for, if u can hit it correct and with enough force, you opponet will collasp on the ground for little while and there arm will be useless for even longer.

seeing how things hide is so strong that attack normally would not work unless some one had a weapon that pierced things armor such as adamatium claws. Since wolverine is a exspert fighter it is well with in his range of skill to make such a attack quite easiliy actaully.

Originally posted by capt it up
no he faint because his nerves in his body made him faint( well actaully it paralized). The place were wolverine hit in the arm is a pressure piont that many types of martial art styles teach fighters to aim for, if u can hit it correct and with enough force, you opponet will collasp on the ground for little while and there arm will be useless for even longer.

seeing how things hide is so strong that attack normally would not work unless some one had a weapon that pierced things armor such as adamatium claws. Since wolverine is a exspert fighter it is well with in his range of skill to make such a attack quite easiliy actaully.

If this is true, how come this is the first I've read of this? I mean, you've commented on this thread before as well as "Thing vs. Wolverine" thread. How come this is the first time you've brought up that Wolverine may have been going for Ben's pressure point on his arm? Just seems like that would've helped your case much earlier.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If this is true, how come this is the first I've read of this? I mean, you've commented on this thread before as well as "Thing vs. Wolverine" thread. How come this is the first time you've brought up that Wolverine may have been going for Ben's pressure point on his arm? Just seems like that would've helped your case much earlier.
This was the first time I have ever argued why thing went down. I normally just argue that wolverine can easiliy cut thing. I have never had a reason till now to argue why thing went down from a single hit. If I had been asked that before I would have answered earlier. also I have recently been studying martial arts styles so I kinda have that info in my head at the moment lol.

One of the styles that teaches this is called "Hakido" which is prounced "Akido"

Originally posted by capt it up
no he faint because his nerves in his body made him faint( well actaully it paralized). The place were wolverine hit in the arm is a pressure piont that many types of martial art styles teach fighters to aim for, if u can hit it correct and with enough force, you opponet will collasp on the ground for little while and there arm will be useless for even longer.

Yeah, except that Thing's body is completely different from normal humans, and Wolverine doesn't know anatomy of Thing...therefore he would have not had information where his nerves are.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, except that Thing's body is completely different from normal humans, and Wolverine doesn't know anatomy of Thing...therefore he would have not had information where his nerves are.
as i recall thing in sides are that of a normal humans just denser. his anatomy is not different then that of a normal humans not the insides his vitals his nerves are all in the same place that how it was shown when he was in that heaven run of theres. This is also true becuase when he turns from ben back to thing then back to ben it shows that he just gains outer layer and a long with density. His insides never shown to change locations.

Bottom line it was sh** writing again for Wolverine. Thing can take artillery rounds without being cut but a little runt can shove his claws in him, lame.

Force should be the largest detriment to Wolverine's cutting power and not the fact he has adamantium.

Originally posted by Soleran
Bottom line it was sh** writing again for Wolverine. Thing can take artillery rounds without being cut but a little runt can shove his claws in him, lame.

Force should be the largest detriment to Wolverine's cutting power and not the fact he has adamantium.
as always your answer to every thing is shitty writting.
Wolverine can and does shove his claws through thing, along with other heavy hitters.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/WolverinecuttinThing.jpg

thanx

Originally posted by capt it up
as always your answer to every thing is shitty writting.
Wolverine can and does shove his claws through thing, along with other heavy hitters.


Well then if its not shitty writing how do you explain Ben withtanding greater forces without every getting injured? Oh yeah so it must be Wolverine has the magic touch. Its shitty consistency for Ben, its very consistent for Wolverine to do things that don't make sense for his abilities

Originally posted by Soleran
Well then if its not shitty writing how do you explain Ben withtanding greater forces without every getting injured? Oh yeah so it must be Wolverine has the magic touch. Its shitty consistency for Ben, its very consistent for Wolverine to do things that don't make sense for his abilities
HIS abilities to cut heavy hitters has been there since his first run. You act as if this is a new thing. If the character is made to do some thing and does it you can't call it shitty writing. Adamatium claws are said to cut through almost any thing and they pritty much do. They cut through hulk, namor,thing,rough-house,tiger shark,wendigo ect. They have never failed to do so. Just becuase you do not like it does not make it shitty writing.

Originally posted by capt it up
HIS abilities to cut heavy hitters has been there since his first run. You act as if this is a new thing. If the character is made to do some thing and does it you can't call it shitty writing. Adamatium claws are said to cut through almost any thing and they pritty much do. They cut through hulk, namor,thing,rough-house,tiger shark,wendigo ect. They have never failed to do so. Just becuase you do not like it does not make it shitty writing.


There in lies the rub, I agree. Wolverine isn't a superstrong guy and just because adamantium is indestructible it certainly doesn't mean Wolverine has the strength to drive and cut whatever he wants because WOLVERINE isn't strong enough.

Also in his first runs Wolverine wasn't cutting up Hulk they way they portray it now, thanks

Originally posted by Soleran
There in lies the rub, I agree. Wolverine isn't a superstrong guy and just because adamantium is indestructible it certainly doesn't mean Wolverine has the strength to drive and cut whatever he wants because WOLVERINE isn't strong enough.

Also in his first runs Wolverine wasn't cutting up Hulk they way they portray it now, thanks
here lies the problem wolverine has superhuman strength though low end it still enough to easiliy cut through thing hulk and so on. he shown this over and over there no debating what has been shown from day one and has never been proven other wise. You can not like it all you want, but it does not matter since it been that way since day one.

Originally posted by Soleran
Also in his first runs Wolverine wasn't cutting up Hulk they way they portray it now, thanks
he also was not a mutant had no powers. his claws were part of his gloves. Your arguement hold no ground at all. Also it was later said he cut hulk he just did not know it becuase hulk healed so fast

Originally posted by capt it up
here lies the problem wolverine has superhuman strength though low end it still enough to easiliy cut through thing hulk and so on. he shown this over and over there no debating what has been shown from day one and has never been proven other wise. You can not like it all you want, but it does not matter since it been that way since day one.


Thats great for Wolverine and why I constantly say thats super however Hulk has shown feats in the bast that Wolverine shouldn't cut him so do we say hooray for Wolverine great showing and to bad for hulk bad showing when Hulk has shown Much greater on other occasions?

I say apples to apples if its a great showing for Wolverine then pull out a similar great showing for Hulk and lets compare on the KMC.

Originally posted by capt it up
he also was not a mutant had no powers. his claws were part of his gloves. Your arguement hold no ground at all. Also it was later said he cut hulk he just did not know it becuase hulk healed so fast
Did the writer not say he intended to have Wolverine strength at about the same level as Spidey's? That version of Wolverine would make much more sense as a Hulk villian.

OMG I think I just fell off my chair when I saw this. I've waited my whole life for a telepath to actually do this to him.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6203/untitledscanned119zj.jpg

Originally posted by capt it up
as i recall thing in sides are that of a normal humans just denser. his anatomy is not different then that of a normal humans not the insides his vitals his nerves are all in the same place that how it was shown when he was in that heaven run of theres. This is also true becuase when he turns from ben back to thing then back to ben it shows that he just gains outer layer and a long with density. His insides never shown to change locations. No, they are not. Reed Richards has taken a long time to completely map his anatomy and DNA in his studies to turn him back to human. They may be in same place, but seeing as his bodily functions are completely different, the nerves and organs work differently too, and the nerves certainly are FAR from being identical to humans.

It was PIS.

see here's the thing (no pun intended)...

obviously, Thing has an unbelievably high amount of damage soak and can take punishment at unhear of levels... I mean you only need to see his boubt with Champion to understand something as fundamental as that.. but when wolverine hit him, he bypassed straight through things exterior.. to his interior.. he mangled the insides of the thing where thing isn't used to taking abuse..

THIS at least is consistent with wolverine's claws vs. things skin.. yeah thing hit wolverine away after wolverine slashed at his face, but then he doubled over in pain.. later.. when he was fighting a giant robot he even put on a mask but when the robot hit him in the face he screamed out in pain such that no one had ever heard him do so before...

torture is kind of different, with time you're mind slowly begins to accept pain as it is given, or accept the fact that you ARE in pain.. something akin to this is sprained ankles...

yeah if you already HAVE a sprained ankle but you're aware of it and have some descipline you can easily keep up and walking/running with the right mind set.. but at that moment when you sprain the ankle the shock to your nervous system and your brain are both too instantious for you to do anything but fall over.. same thing applies to this feat...

again.. for it to TRULY be PIS there has to be multiple examples of thing getting scewered up to 3 times in a single sitting without going down.. otherwise PIS is nothing more than a copout here like it usually is...

and capt is right about the nerve cluster part... but that's only if you REALLY want to rationalize what happened...

as for what wolveirne's claws can and can't cut through.. his bone claws rend through steel like a hot knife hrough butter. it only makes sense that his molecule-sharp admantium claws that rend through reinforced titanium JUST as easily if not easier would cut through thing if he applied a decent amount of force.. the point is.. wolverine's cut through thing twice.. he's cut through stuff harder than thing as well... the sharpness of his claws as been compared to molecule sharp.... it's ridiculous to say that woverine cutting through hard substances is PIS when that's practically his power..

Originally posted by jinzin
his bone claws rend through steel like a hot knife hrough butter.Doesn't that stop and make you go 'wtf?' for a moment at least?

oh yeah it does... but after you see that both him and sabretooth can do it AND take punches from characters over class 5 without getting broken bones you just start to accept it...

the thing is straws have gone through light poles before during tornados.. maybe wolverine's claws are just THAT sharp...

Originally posted by jinzin
oh yeah it does... but after you see that both him and sabretooth can do it AND take punches from characters over class 5 without getting broken bones you just start to accept it...

the thing is straws have gone through light poles before during tornados.. maybe wolverine's claws are just THAT sharp... That's more because they move at like 200 mph though...

Nice to see you're still at it though jinzin .

Originally posted by jinzin
see here's the thing (no pun intended)...

obviously, Thing has an unbelievably high amount of damage soak and can take punishment at unhear of levels... I mean you only need to see his boubt with Champion to understand something as fundamental as that.. but when wolverine hit him, he bypassed straight through things exterior.. to his interior.. he mangled the insides of the thing where thing isn't used to taking abuse..

THIS at least is consistent with wolverine's claws vs. things skin.. yeah thing hit wolverine away after wolverine slashed at his face, but then he doubled over in pain.. later.. when he was fighting a giant robot he even put on a mask but when the robot hit him in the face he screamed out in pain such that no one had ever heard him do so before...

torture is kind of different, with time you're mind slowly begins to accept pain as it is given, or accept the fact that you ARE in pain.. something akin to this is sprained ankles...

yeah if you already HAVE a sprained ankle but you're aware of it and have some descipline you can easily keep up and walking/running with the right mind set.. but at that moment when you sprain the ankle the shock to your nervous system and your brain are both too instantious for you to do anything but fall over.. same thing applies to this feat...

again.. for it to TRULY be PIS there has to be multiple examples of thing getting scewered up to 3 times in a single sitting without going down.. otherwise PIS is nothing more than a copout here like it usually is...

and capt is right about the nerve cluster part... but that's only if you REALLY want to rationalize what happened...

First thing, getting part of your face cut off and getting stabbed in the arm are two compeltely different things

Second, He got stabbed in the arm. How does that make him fall over

Ben has taken a lot worse than that and not keeled over. Other than that, Ben was fighting stupid. I mean yeah, he's really going to take a big cable and try to hit wolverine with it even though Ben knows that isnt going to do crap to Wolverine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's more because they move at like 200 mph though...

Nice to see you're still at it though jinzin .

i'm just making the point that it's not something unrealistic to see a less dense material then wood go through something like a metal pole.. that's all.. actually I'm more like "wtf" every time somebody grabs wolverine's forarms while his claws are sheathed and the inside of his arm isn't instantly mangled to pieces from the applied pressure against his claws..

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
OMG I think I just fell off my chair when I saw this. I've waited my whole life for a telepath to actually do this to him.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6203/untitledscanned119zj.jpg

That was in-genius writing.

One of the best comics i've read in a long time

"The moose has my scent again!"

Originally posted by Grimm22
That was in-genius writing.

One of the best comics i've read in a long time

"The moose has my scent again!"

yup.. you're definitely not a wolvie hater.. pfft...

Originally posted by jinzin
yup.. you're definitely not a wolvie hater.. pfft...

oh pish posh

You cant appreicate good humor

Originally posted by jinzin
i'm just making the point that it's not something unrealistic to see a less dense material then wood go through something like a metal pole.. that's all.. actually I'm more like "wtf" every time somebody grabs wolverine's forarms while his claws are sheathed and the inside of his arm isn't instantly mangled to pieces from the applied pressure against his claws.. True. Oh well i actually don't see anything wrong with Wolverine cutting Thing... mainly because I'm of the opinion that Colossus is more durable than Thing.
Originally posted by jinzin
yup.. you're definitely not a wolvie hater.. pfft... C'mon... you know it was funny...

oh it was funny... it's just that PIS is grimm's favorite argument but the instant somebody has wolverine thinking he's a 6 year old girl.. the writings ingenous.... hmmmm

Originally posted by jinzin
oh it was funny... it's just that PIS is grimm's favorite argument but the instant somebody has wolverine thinking he's a 6 year old girl.. the writings ingenous.... hmmmm

Oh come on

It was freakin hilarious.

Besides the rest of the issue was awesome too

that is how wolves should be portrayed, then that means everything else is pis.

Originally posted by bigbran
that is how wolves should be portrayed, then that means everything else is pis.
doh

he sure is the best all right.

i wish i could make pretty poeple out of paper too! he should just stick to arts and crafts.

Originally posted by bigbran
i wish i could make pretty poeple out of paper too! he should just stick to arts and crafts.

It would be even funnier if he was cutting them with his claws

no he had scissors