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No prep. Who the hell wins?

Supes(in a lead suit) tricks CM the same way he did in the comix n the cartoon. And u no what happens to Thor after that's been done .
Nice fight by the way.

Thor/Cap 10/10

Originally posted by Validus
Thor/Cap 10/10

Interesting.

Originally posted by Validus
Thor/Cap 10/10

I changed it. There's no prep now.

Supes/WW 10/10

Superman and Wonder Woman take it

Originally posted by batdude123
I changed it. There's no prep now.


So no lead suit. Dam. Ahh well...they still kick CM/T bottom's even though it will be hard.

Captain's the weakest of the 3 with either Thor or Supes the strongest. Still, every1 knows WW can beat Captain(call Draco some1). As for Thor/Superman....r u kiddin. Even if Supes cannot defeat him, once WW has finished beatin Captain, Thor won't even be able to stop them.

I'd probably say Superman and Wonder Woman as well, but don't go underrestimating Captain Marvel here.

Captain Marvel is only Class 17.

Originally posted by Validus
Captain Marvel is only Class 17.

. Fat load of help he'll be eh Validus. But he's stronger than that. Way stronger.

Originally posted by Validus
Captain Marvel is only Class 17.

Are you talking about that wierd ranking system from 1-30 or something like that? Never mind, I see you're joking here.

Captain marvel the weakest that pretty debatable.

Oh come on. He's either as strong as WW or weaker. But no ways is he stronger than superman or thor

So this is it?

Originally posted by batdude123
No prep. Who the hell wins?

Could go either way Cap is kinda a weak point when you add experience. Thor is when you add super speed and Superman is when you add his weakness to magic. The only real weakness for WW is her pointy durability but, that wouldn't matter much so technically she's the most well rounded imo. I'd say Supes and WW 7-8/10.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oh come on. He's either as strong as WW or weaker. But no ways is he stronger than superman or thor Captain Marvel has beaten Superman using magic. He can also charge himself up with using the power of Zeus. And when he isn't sharing power with CM3/Mary Marvel, he's even more powerful. His loss of experience is replaced with Wisdom of Solomon.

Hell, when he was superloaded with Earth's magic in Day of Vengeance, he put the beatdown on Spectre.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Captain Marvel has beaten Superman using magic. He can also charge himself up with using the power of Zeus. And when he isn't sharing power with CM3/Mary Marvel, he's even more powerful. His loss of experience is replaced with Wisdom of Solomon.

Hell, when he was superloaded with Earth's magic in Day of Vengeance, he put the beatdown on Spectre.

Please don't start that you're like two seconds away from people saying Thor uses godblasts and Diana uses the godwave.

I'm just saying that he isn't weak. He's defenitely able to take Superman with the magic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm just saying that he isn't weak. He's defenitely able to take Superman with the magic.

I try and I try but, do they listen? Nope. Just remember you were warned.mhm

It's the truth.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It's the truth.

I wentmhm

Cap Marvel and Thor wins this. Cap Marvel is stronger than Diana and Thor.
He's Supermans equal, and Superman is stronger than the Demigodess and the ThunderGod. Diana is a peer of the kryptonian. Marvel is the full fledged equal.
And Cap and Thor have in spades, what Superman doesn't like at all. Cap can charge his fists, while Thor can charge the hammer toss. Either way, Superman gets hurt, and badly.
WW is good, but she can't take Superman without a ring....
What makes you think she can take his equal that doesn't have a weakness, and Someone who can lay her out with a hammer throw??

Cap/Thor 8/10

Originally posted by UniOmni
Cap Marvel and Thor wins this. Cap Marvel is stronger than Diana and Thor.
He's Supermans equal, and Superman is stronger than the Demigodess and the ThunderGod. Diana is a peer of the kryptonian. Marvel is the full fledged equal.
And Cap and Thor have in spades, what Superman doesn't like at all. Cap can charge his fists, while Thor can charge the hammer toss. Either way, Superman gets hurt, and badly.
WW is good, but she can't take Superman without a ring....
What makes you think she can take his equal that doesn't have a weakness, and Someone who can lay her out with a hammer throw??

Cap/Thor 8/10

One hammer throw wouldn't do it. Add in her lasso and the fact she knows that if she makes a certain someone say a certain word he's just some punk kid again and it'll never be Cap and Thor 8/10.

One hammer throw wouldn't do it?? If a hammer throw is comparable to a full fledged punch from Superman, then its gonna do it. She was KTFO when he lit one loose on her in space. Reentry saved her.

Originally posted by UniOmni
One hammer throw wouldn't do it?? If a hammer throw is comparable to a full fledged punch from Superman, then its gonna do it. She was KTFO when he lit one loose on her in space. Reentry saved her.

The fact that she isn't vulnerable to magic AND the fact that she can cross her bracelets making an impenetrable shield, means that ONE hammer throw certainly isn't going to do it. Not to mention the fact that Diana can hold her own against Captain Marvel. She has done it before. Also, the only reason imo that Cap Marvel is able to compete with Superman in the first place, is because his powers stem from magic. Superman is the overall more powerful of the two. Wonder Woman's powers also stem from magic, so she doesn't have to worry about the vulnerability like Superman does. Now, the Superman/Thor fight. I have always thought that this would be one of the absolute best matches ever. However, imo Superman's speed edge would trump Thor's raw power edge slightly, Superman could pull out a win against him. That's why I say Superman and Diana take this 6/10.

Originally posted by UniOmni
One hammer throw wouldn't do it?? If a hammer throw is comparable to a full fledged punch from Superman, then its gonna do it. She was KTFO when he lit one loose on her in space. Reentry saved her.

She blacked out for a moment that's not a full knock out you seem to forget how quickly she recovered. Also Superman and WW are faster than the other team. She'd more likely dodge or reverse the hammer and god help them if she can(imo she could) lift the hammer then it'd definitely be over for Cap/Thor.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
She blacked out for a moment that's not a full knock out you seem to forget how quickly she recovered. Also Superman and WW are faster than the other team. She'd more likely dodge or reverse the hammer and god help them if she can(imo she could) lift the hammer then it'd definitely be over for Cap/Thor. WW has lifted the hammer in a non-cannon comic.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
She blacked out for a moment that's not a full knock out you seem to forget how quickly she recovered. Also Superman and WW are faster than the other team. She'd more likely dodge or reverse the hammer and god help them if she can(imo she could) lift the hammer then it'd definitely be over for Cap/Thor.

She'd probably be able to anyway because she is more than likely worthy enough to hold it. She is part Athenian god princess you know.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
WW has lifted the hammer in a non-cannon comic.

I was gonna bring that up but, as you said it's non cannon

Originally posted by batdude123
She'd probably be able to anyway because she is more than likely worthy enough to hold it. She is part Athenian god princess you know.

If he argues against it I'm ready to state reasons why she'd obviously be able to but, thanks anyways.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
If he argues against it I'm ready to state reasons why she'd obviously be able to but, thanks anyways.

blushing

What does her worthiness have to do with anything? The only way that happens, is if Thor lets it happen. With a word, it returns to the hand of its rightful owner.
And Thor throws the hammer ftl. WW isn't that fast yet. Superman is, but not WW.
And WW maybe faster than Thor, sans the hammer, but she's not faster than Cap Marvel.
Cap Marvel is stronger than her, and more durable to boot. Thor is stronger than her, and more durable as well, though not as far above her as Marvel is.
WW is the weak link here.

Originally posted by UniOmni
What does her worthiness have to do with anything? The only way that happens, is if Thor lets it happen. With a word, it returns to the hand of its rightful owner.
And Thor throws the hammer ftl. WW isn't that fast yet. Superman is, but not WW.
And WW maybe faster than Thor, sans the hammer, but she's not faster than Cap Marvel.
Cap Marvel is stronger than her, and more durable to boot. Thor is stronger than her, and more durable as well, though not as far above her as Marvel is.
WW is the weak link here.

She's a better fighter than Captain Marvel is, and she doesn't have a magic weakness like Superman. Captain Marvel is able to compete with Supes because his powers stem from magic. Overall, Superman is the more powerful of the two. However, Diana could use her speed and lasso. She's already lassoed Billy up before. Supes and Thor could go either way, however Superman would take the slight majority there. Diana and Superman 6/10.

Originally posted by UniOmni
What does her worthiness have to do with anything? The only way that happens, is if Thor lets it happen. With a word, it returns to the hand of its rightful owner.
And Thor throws the hammer ftl. WW isn't that fast yet. Superman is, but not WW.
And WW maybe faster than Thor, sans the hammer, but she's not faster than Cap Marvel.
Cap Marvel is stronger than her, and more durable to boot. Thor is stronger than her, and more durable as well, though not as far above her as Marvel is.
WW is the weak link here.

Actually no as I've stated before she's the most well balanced. Thor lacks speed, Superman has a weakness against magic and Captain Marvel has the least experience and the lasso is a weakness for him. I also forgot to mention that Superman and Diana have another trick up their sleeves. They've had the ability to work as a team for over a thousand years they know each other inside and out. Having them on the same team is like Thor with his hammer they just go together.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Actually no as I've stated before she's the most well balanced. Thor lacks speed, Superman has a weakness against magic and Captain Marvel has the least experience and the lasso is a weakness for him. I also forgot to mention that Superman and Diana have another trick up their sleeves. They've had the ability to work as a team for over a thousand years they know each other inside and out. Having them on the same team is like Thor with his hammer they just go together.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I couldn't agree more.

That's so going in my profile.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I couldn't agree more.

Me too.

Superman/Wonder Woman 10/10. homer jockey

Originally posted by LethalFemme
They've had the ability to work as a team for over a thousand years they know each other inside and out. Having them on the same team is like Thor with his hammer they just go together.

Ha ha, you said they know each other inside and out.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Captain Marvel has beaten Superman using magic. He can also charge himself up with using the power of Zeus. And when he isn't sharing power with CM3/Mary Marvel, he's even more powerful. His loss of experience is replaced with Wisdom of Solomon.

Hell, when he was superloaded with Earth's magic in Day of Vengeance, he put the beatdown on Spectre.
When did Marvel beat Superman?

Originally posted by Accel
When did Marvel beat Superman?

He might be referring to that stupid sucker punch that CM gave him in Virtue and Vice.

Originally posted by batdude123
He might be referring to that stupid sucker punch that CM gave him in Virtue and Vice.
That;s what I kind of figured. The only two times I saw Cap actually knock Supes out were both sucker punches.

Originally posted by Accel
That;s what I kind of figured. The only two times I saw Cap actually knock Supes out were both sucker punches.

Yeah, and in V&V he was distracted because he just had Power Girl's tongue down his throat.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, and in V&V he was distracted because he just had Power Girl's tongue down his throat.
Yeesh, can you imagine having a girl you think is your cousin French you?









It's so hot. droolio

I gonna go ahead and say it know Thor is the strongest in this fight powerwise. Yes even more so then Cap, Supes and WW.

His Hammer makes him such. While he may not be as fast he still quick as he has thrown down with Glads and SS and been able to hold his own.

Thor is by no means gonna be overwhelmed by Supes and WWs speed they are faster but not at the level Thor can't handle.

Supes is the weak link as the other two combatants bring one thing that can hurt him really bad Magic. Supes i gone in the first few minutes when the magic lighting bolts and enchented hammers start to fly. Leaving WW alone and while she may be good she isn't that good.

Originally posted by Accel
Yeesh, can you imagine having a girl you think is your cousin French you?









It's so hot. droolio

Originally posted by newjak86
I gonna go ahead and say it know Thor is the strongest in this fight powerwise. Yes even more so then Cap, Supes and WW.

His Hammer makes him such. While he may not be as fast he still quick as he has thrown down with Glads and SS and been able to hold his own.

Thor is by no means gonna be overwhelmed by Supes and WWs speed they are faster but not at the level Thor can't handle.

Supes is the weak link as the other two combatants bring one thing that can hurt him really bad Magic. Supes i gone in the first few minutes when the magic lighting bolts and enchented hammers start to fly. Leaving WW alone and while she may be good she isn't that good.

He did a great job against Mongoose. Last time I saw Glads and Thor throw down, Glads beat his ass. Yes, Thor would have trouble with Superman's speed. He does have a problem with it. Superman BY NO MEANS would be out in the "first few minutes." Superman's speed advantage slightly trumps Thor's raw power advantage. Wonder Woman could more than hold her own against CM, as she has demonstrated in the past. She doesn't have the weakness to magic like Superman does. She is also a better fighter than Billy is and has more experience. Combine all that with the fact that Superman and Wonder Woman have been working together as a team for a long ass time, and they win this one 6/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
He did a great job against Mongoose. Last time I saw Glads and Thor throw down, Glads beat his ass. Yes, Thor would have trouble with Superman's speed. He does have a problem with it. Superman BY NO MEANS would be out in the "first few minutes." Superman's speed advantage slightly trumps Thor's raw power advantage. Wonder Woman could more than hold her own against CM, as she has demonstrated in the past. She doesn't have the weakness to magic like Superman does. She is also a better fighter than Billy is and has more experience. Combine all that with the fact that Superman and Wonder Woman have been working together as a team for a long ass time, and they win this one 6/10. Supes speed isn't better than Glads and Glads may have used to well against Thor don't forget that Thor wasn't overwhelemd and still got his share of hits in as well. The difference when Thor hits Superman it is gonna hurt alot worse than anything Superman can do Thor.

As said WW can stalemate CM stalemate being the key word and guess what when Thor comes around to help him that isn't going to help to much especailly with a Hammer strike to the back of the head.

Thor CM 6/10

hers round 2 the glads and thor fight:
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Originally posted by newjak86
Supes speed isn't better than Glads and Glads may have used to well against Thor don't forget that Thor wasn't overwhelemd and still got his share of hits in as well. The difference when Thor hits Superman it is gonna hurt alot worse than anything Superman can do Thor.

As said WW can stalemate CM stalemate being the key word and guess what when Thor comes around to help him that isn't going to help to much especailly with a Hammer strike to the back of the head.

Thor CM 6/10

Why does everyone assume it'll be Superman/Thor and Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel? Don't you think WW would know Thor Norse god of thunder when she sees him and know she'd have a better time fighting against a god (seeing as she has so many times) fight him herself? She'd last a lot longer than Superman ever could and it always gives her the opportunity to snatch that hammer.selene

mind you that glads is not vunerable to magic as superman is.

Originally posted by newjak86
Supes speed isn't better than Glads and Glads may have used to well against Thor don't forget that Thor wasn't overwhelemd and still got his share of hits in as well. The difference when Thor hits Superman it is gonna hurt alot worse than anything Superman can do Thor.

As said WW can stalemate CM stalemate being the key word and guess what when Thor comes around to help him that isn't going to help to much especailly with a Hammer strike to the back of the head.

Thor CM 6/10

Yeah, too bad SS and Glads never speedblitzed Thor, and guess what? That's Superman's specialty. The only time I've actually seen Thor get 'speedblitzed' was when he fought Mongoose. I don't have to elaborate on that fight. Superman's speed>Thor's power. Wonder Woman would probably take CM out 5.5-6/10 anyway.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Btw, you're right about Gladiator's and Superman's speed. Supes has got some feats that would suggest he's faster.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Why does everyone assume it'll be Superman/Thor and Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel? Don't you think WW would know Thor Norse god of thunder when she sees him and know she'd have a better time fighting against a god (seeing as she has so many times) fight him herself? She'd last a lot longer than Superman ever could and it always gives her the opportunity to snatch that hammer.selene

ist up to odin whether or not she is worthy to hold the hammer..

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, too bad SS and Glads never speedblitzed Thor, and guess what? That's Superman's specialty. The only time I've actually seen Thor get 'speedblitzed' was when he fought Mongoose. I don't have to elaborate on that fight. Superman's speed>Thor's power. Wonder Woman would probably take CM out 5.5-6/10 anyway.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Btw, you're right about Gladiator's and Superman's speed. Supes has got some feats that would suggest he's faster.

superman does speedblitz, but does it rarely.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, too bad SS and Glads never speedblitzed Thor, and guess what? That's Superman's specialty. The only time I've actually seen Thor get 'speedblitzed' was when he fought Mongoose. I don't have to elaborate on that fight. Superman's speed>Thor's power. Wonder Woman would probably take CM out 5.5-6/10 anyway.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Btw, you're right about Gladiator's and Superman's speed. Supes has got some feats that would suggest he's faster.

those scans are the only times i ever seen superman speedblitz, ive seen those many times before. i doenst do it as much like a flas would.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Why does everyone assume it'll be Superman/Thor and Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel? Don't you think WW would know Thor Norse god of thunder when she sees him and know she'd have a better time fighting against a god (seeing as she has so many times) fight him herself? She'd last a lot longer than Superman ever could and it always gives her the opportunity to snatch that hammer.selene Then it be a massive stalemate. WW isn't as fast as Supes. She isn't more durable or stronger than Thor. When it comes to who has more skill with their weapons no has a clear cut advantage. Difference Thor' Hammer can do alot more than what WWs weapons can do.

CM vs Supes isn't a clear cut victory either even though CM takes the majority do to his magic power. So then he comes over to help Thor and guess what 2 vs 1 again. Once again 6/10 for CM and Thor

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, too bad SS and Glads never speedblitzed Thor, and guess what? That's Superman's specialty. The only time I've actually seen Thor get 'speedblitzed' was when he fought Mongoose. I don't have to elaborate on that fight. Superman's speed>Thor's power. Wonder Woman would probably take CM out 5.5-6/10 anyway.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Btw, you're right about Gladiator's and Superman's speed. Supes has got some feats that would suggest he's faster. So Supes has moved at 100X the speed of light

Originally posted by batdude123
She's a better fighter than Captain Marvel is, and she doesn't have a magic weakness like Superman. Captain Marvel is able to compete with Supes because his powers stem from magic. Overall, Superman is the more powerful of the two. However, Diana could use her speed and lasso. She's already lassoed Billy up before. Supes and Thor could go either way, however Superman would take the slight majority there. Diana and Superman 6/10.

Marvels powers stem from magic. But unless he charges his punches, he still hits with regular force. And Marvel is supermans equal in physical stats. Been that way for a while. Superman is overall more powerful, due to his energy projection. Not due to better physical stats.

True, she has lassoed him before. But the same can be said about Superman. If Superman is fast enough to dodge the lasso, Marvel is as well.
I guess it all comes down to, whether you feel Marvel is supermans physical equal, or just able to beat him due to magically charging his fists.
Marvel is faster than Diana, Stronger than Diana and more durable than Diana. Diana is more skilled than Marvel, maybe.
But that skill still had her needing to resort to a k ring to even survive Superman.
Marvel is Supermans exact equal in stats. But he has no kryptonite weakness to exploit. If Supermans stats override her skills, why wouldn't Marvels??
In Underworld Unleashed, Marvel beat a team consisting of the true top tier...When has WW ever been shown to be able to do so??
Either people are underrating Marvel, or they're overrating WW.

And he's survived attacks that would kill other top tiers, Superman included. Her tiara frankly, doesn't impress me.

And Thor is as fast as the lighting he wields. Fact. And without the hammer as a propeller. Don't know if thats even to match her, but he's no slouch.
Mongoose had him looking stupid yes, but Superman was koed by a gas station exploding....Doesn't mean that defines the guy in durability, just like the thing with mongoose doesn't define Thor in speed.

And even if Diana does fight Thor, he's beaten magical beings greater than a mere demigoddess. And Diana can't "CATCH the hammer. To catch the hammer, you must be able to outmuscle Thor. She's not stronger than Thor. Maybe she can pickup the hammer, were he to drop it. But not, simply stop the blow ala Superman. Dianas best bet in this match, would simply be to lock her arms together. But that won't win the match.

And for the record, all a suckerpunch means, is that you are easily strong enough to one shot someone. Thats all. If my lil cousin tries to suckerpunch me, he may irritate me at best. Cuz i'm above the guy on every level. If his older brother, my physical equal suckerpunches me, and i'm out like a light, that means he has the power to knock me TFO, and is my equal. Suckerpunches may not be honorable, but they let you know who can easily kick your ass, at least considering stats.

Originally posted by newjak86
Then it be a massive stalemate. WW isn't as fast as Supes. She isn't more durable or stronger than Thor. When it comes to who has more skill with their weapons no has a clear cut advantage. Difference Thor' Hammer can do alot more than what WWs weapons can do.

CM vs Supes isn't a clear cut victory either even though CM takes the majority do to his magic power. So then he comes over to help Thor and guess what 2 vs 1 again. Once again 6/10 for CM and Thor

Guess what? Wonder Woman would do better against CM than Superman would.

Originally posted by newjak86
So Supes has moved at 100X the speed of light
sounds like a load of crap to me

The problem with so many of the threads people make is that most people see on side using their powers to full extent and sell the others short. I've looked at this from every angle and have tried to hold back on stuff like Thor godblasts and Wonder Woman uses the godwave. So that I could weigh the pros and cons and Superman/Wonder Woman seem to have a slight edge with speed, experience, teamwork and knowledge of their enemies.

Originally posted by newjak86
So Supes has moved at 100X the speed of light

He's moved so fast that he created a boomtube and actually time traveled.

Originally posted by batdude123
Guess what? Wonder Woman would do better against CM than Superman would. SO then it goes back to Thor taking down Supes faster then CM would and coming over to help CM out 2 vs 1 once again 6/10 for Thor and CM

Originally posted by Priest
mind you that glads is not vunerable to magic as superman is.

He also appears to fight at relatively human speeds.
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Captain America is fast enough to block his attacks
As much as I like Marvel, their characters in general don't seem to have the same number of combat speed feats as DC.

Imo, Superman vs Thor is a good matchup and their fight would take a very long time to be decided. That leaves Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman. Again they are fairly even in most areas except that WW has more weapons. Her lasso in particular would be her biggest asset against CM. Sooner or later I see her getting him caught in it, as she has done that before and I think that would happen quicker than one knocking the other out given their durability feats.

That would leave Thor facing two opponents and, eventually, I see him going down. WW and Superman 6 or 7/10.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Marvels powers stem from magic. But unless he charges his punches, he still hits with regular force. And Marvel is supermans equal in physical stats. Been that way for a while. Superman is overall more powerful, due to his energy projection. Not due to better physical stats.

True, she has lassoed him before. But the same can be said about Superman. If Superman is fast enough to dodge the lasso, Marvel is as well.
I guess it all comes down to, whether you feel Marvel is supermans physical equal, or just able to beat him due to magically charging his fists.
Marvel is faster than Diana, Stronger than Diana and more durable than Diana. Diana is more skilled than Marvel, maybe.
But that skill still had her needing to resort to a k ring to even survive Superman.
Marvel is Supermans exact equal in stats. But he has no kryptonite weakness to exploit. If Supermans stats override her skills, why wouldn't Marvels??
In Underworld Unleashed, Marvel beat a team consisting of the true top tier...When has WW ever been shown to be able to do so??
Either people are underrating Marvel, or they're overrating WW.

And he's survived attacks that would kill other top tiers, Superman included. Her tiara frankly, doesn't impress me.

And Thor is as fast as the lighting he wields. Fact. And without the hammer as a propeller. Don't know if thats even to match her, but he's no slouch.
Mongoose had him looking stupid yes, but Superman was koed by a gas station exploding....Doesn't mean that defines the guy in durability, just like the thing with mongoose doesn't define Thor in speed.

How is Marvel faste then Diana? And what's with the maybe when it comes to WW and CM fighting ability?

superman is the waekest link in this fight by far. he wont even last more than 5 mintues, do to his magic weaknesses..captainmarvel and thor magic would surely overwell superman, leaving wonderwoman fighting a 2 on one fight. thor and CM 7/10

Originally posted by batdude123
He's moved so fast that he created a boomtube and actually time traveled. Flash used to time travel because he was going at light speed.

IMO Thor and Capo take this 7/10. Here are a few feats that I think shows that the team should take this fight.

Here is some of the things Thor can do to Superman and or WW

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0018yi.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0021ky.jpg

Or he could paralyze them
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0020nh.jpg

He could transmute them into I don't know?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation2.jpg

These scans show the reflexes of Thor, read the text.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor4.jpg

He could use a antigravity blast that may or may not be able to take one of them out.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/antigravityblast1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/antigravityblast2.jpg

I don't know if this would work in the heat of battle, but Thor can absorb mystical energy with his hammer. If he can absord WW powers it's lights out for her.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thorabsorbsmysicalenergy1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thorabsorbsmysicalenergy2.jpg

Originally posted by UniOmni
Marvels powers stem from magic. But unless he charges his punches, he still hits with regular force. And Marvel is supermans equal in physical stats. Been that way for a while. Superman is overall more powerful, due to his energy projection. Not due to better physical stats.

True, she has lassoed him before. But the same can be said about Superman. If Superman is fast enough to dodge the lasso, Marvel is as well.
I guess it all comes down to, whether you feel Marvel is supermans physical equal, or just able to beat him due to magically charging his fists.
Marvel is faster than Diana, Stronger than Diana and more durable than Diana. Diana is more skilled than Marvel, maybe.
But that skill still had her needing to resort to a k ring to even survive Superman.
Marvel is Supermans exact equal in stats. But he has no kryptonite weakness to exploit. If Supermans stats override her skills, why wouldn't Marvels??
In Underworld Unleashed, Marvel beat a team consisting of the true top tier...When has WW ever been shown to be able to do so??
Either people are underrating Marvel, or they're overrating WW.

And he's survived attacks that would kill other top tiers, Superman included. Her tiara frankly, doesn't impress me.

And Thor is as fast as the lighting he wields. Fact. And without the hammer as a propeller. Don't know if thats even to match her, but he's no slouch.
Mongoose had him looking stupid yes, but Superman was koed by a gas station exploding....Doesn't mean that defines the guy in durability, just like the thing with mongoose doesn't define Thor in speed.

Some aspects, Marvel is equal to Superman. Strength immediately comes to mind. They have demonstrated to be equal in that category. Although, when have they been shown to be equal in the speed department? Neither one have speedblitzed the other in a fight. They usually just brawl with each other. I don't think that Superman would have AS MUCH trouble against Captain Marvel if his powers didn't stem from magic. That's a hard task to overrcome for him. That's why I think Diana would do better against him. Not to mention all her little goodies that she has.

Wonder Woman has done a great job against top tier levels before. One instance where she had her eyes closed.

Thor would have trouble with Superman. Bottom line.

Originally posted by Priest
superman is the waekest link in this fight by far. he wont even last more than 5 mintues, do to his magic weaknesses..captainmarvel and thor magic would surely overwell superman, leaving wonderwoman fighting a 2 on one fight. thor and CM 7/10

How is he the weak link when he can throw down with CM and win or stalemate him?

Originally posted by LethalFemme
The problem with so many of the threads people make is that most people see on side using their powers to full extent and sell the others short. I've looked at this from every angle and have tried to hold back on stuff like Thor godblasts and Wonder Woman uses the godwave. So that I could weigh the pros and cons and Superman/Wonder Woman seem to have a slight edge with speed, experience, teamwork and knowledge of their enemies. How would they have knowledge advantage on their opponents as they have never fought Thor before. Thor is no slouch and can take very fast people on. Supes weakness to magic makes him quite easily beat in this match. Magic lighting from Thor's hammer.

Originally posted by newjak86
Flash used to time travel because he was going at light speed.

That's because he uses the speedforce. Superman doesn't have that. MUHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Originally posted by TheKahn
He also appears to fight at relatively human speeds.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5560542
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5560549
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/FFandGlads.jpg
Captain America is fast enough to block his attacks
As much as I like Marvel, their characters in general don't seem to have the same number of combat speed feats as DC.

Imo, Superman vs Thor is a good matchup and their fight would take a very long time to be decided. That leaves Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman. Again they are fairly even in most areas except that WW has more weapons. Her lasso in particular would be her biggest asset against CM. Sooner or later I see her getting him caught in it, as she has done that before and I think that would happen quicker than one knocking the other out given their durability feats.

That would leave Thor facing two opponents and, eventually, I see him going down. WW and Superman 6 or 7/10.

that fight doesn't have to start out that way. Captain mavel can go head to head against superman, and Thor and wonder woman can do their own thing. i never seen or read the comic, but from wat i hear, CM can hold his own against superman, i thing he mite of beaten the man of steel before. That leaves wonder woman vulnerable to Thor and Cm by herself.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
IMO Thor and Capo take this 7/10. Here are a few feats that I think shows that the team should take this fight.

Here is some of the things Thor can do to Superman and or WW

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0018yi.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0021ky.jpg

Or he could paralyze them
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0012bb.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0020nh.jpg

He could transmute them into I don't know?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation2.jpg

These scans show the reflexes of Thor, read the text.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor4.jpg

He could use a antigravity blast that may or may not be able to take one of them out.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/antigravityblast1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/antigravityblast2.jpg

I don't know if this would work in the heat of battle, but Thor can absorb mystical energy with his hammer. If he can absord WW powers it's lights out for her.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thorabsorbsmysicalenergy1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thorabsorbsmysicalenergy2.jpg

Originally posted by newjak86
How would they have knowledge advantage on their opponents as they have never fought Thor before. Thor is no slouch and can take very fast people on. Supes weakness to magic makes him quite easily beat in this match. Magic lighting from Thor's hammer.

Easily beat. Pffffft.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
How is he the weak link when he can throw down with CM and win or stalemate him?
when thor w/ a magical Mjinor hammer is backng him up. Superman can not survive a godblast from thor, nor cant wonderwoman.

Originally posted by Priest
that fight doesn't have to start out that way. Captain mavel can go head to head against superman, and Thor and wonder woman can do their own thing. i never seen or read the comic, but from wat i hear, CM can hold his own against superman, i thing he mite of beaten the man of steel before. That leaves wonder woman vulnerable to Thor and Cm by herself.

He hasn't beat Superman before without sucker punching him.

Originally posted by batdude123
He hasn't beat Superman before without sucker punching him.
the fact of the matter is that CM magcal punches can hurt superman, he wont be able to take a few of them if even alert.

Originally posted by Soujaboy


Yes, we see it. Please don't just list off things that Thor has with Mjolnir. This isn't a respect thread. I could name Superman and Wonder Woman's powers/abilities/weapons, but it only takes up space for debating.

Originally posted by newjak86
How would they have knowledge advantage on their opponents as they have never fought Thor before. Thor is no slouch and can take very fast people on. Supes weakness to magic makes him quite easily beat in this match. Magic lighting from Thor's hammer.

WW has met DC's Thor and would have some aspect of knowledge of what to expect seeing as gods are all pretty much the same. For Thor/Captain Marvel Thor is the strong point for obvious reasons and for Superman/Wonder Woman it's Diana for obvious reasons. If they were to fight it's only kind be fair she'd know a bit of what to expect and how to cope unlike Superman who'd be assed out. Also let's not forget a nifty little plane that carries around godslaying weaponry and allows her telepathic abilities.

Originally posted by Priest
the fact of the matter is that CM magcal punches can hurt superman, he wont be able to take a few of them if even alert.

Uh, yeah because he has demonstrated taking a sh*t load of Captain Marvel punches before? You yourself just admitted that you haven't read any Superman/Captain Marvel fights, so be quiet.

Marvel has moved so fast that Flash wondered if he was accessing the speedforce. He's that fast. And someone read what i said about Suckerpunches. Spiderman can't suckerpunch the hulk. But Drax can. Thor can as well. Why? Cuz they are his equals.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, we see it. Please don't just list off things that Thor has with Mjolnir. This isn't a respect thread. I could name Superman and Wonder Woman's powers/abilities/weapons, but it only takes up space for debating.

Why not? I was just showing what Thor could do to these two. There is nothing that is stopping him from using his powers to the fullest in this battle, thus he can shrink them and paralyze them.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
IMO Thor and Capo take this 7/10. Here are a few feats that I think shows that the team should take this fight.

Here is some of the things Thor can do to Superman and or WW

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0018yi.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0021ky.jpg

Or he could paralyze them
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0012bb.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0020nh.jpg

He could transmute them into I don't know?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation2.jpg

These scans show the reflexes of Thor, read the text.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor4.jpg

He could use a antigravity blast that may or may not be able to take one of them out.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/antigravityblast1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/antigravityblast2.jpg

I don't know if this would work in the heat of battle, but Thor can absorb mystical energy with his hammer. If he can absord WW powers it's lights out for her.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thorabsorbsmysicalenergy1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thorabsorbsmysicalenergy2.jpg

I think you have to be careful about how many exotic or rarely used powers you want to bring up in a fight with characters like Superman, WW, and Thor. They all have powers that it could be argued could end the fight in a matter of moments; T-Vo, Godwave, Godblast, ect.. I mean, how do you argue that one character could use one of those types of attacks to end the fight and the others wouldn't use their own?

Originally posted by batdude123
Uh, yeah because he has demonstrated taking a sh*t load of Captain Marvel punches before? You yourself just admitted that you haven't read any Superman/Captain Marvel fights, so be quiet.

obviously since this is a fight, superman is gonna get hit with more than one punch from CM.. and i dident say anyhting about superman taking a shit load of punches, said a few. dont take peoples words out of context.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Marvel has moved so fast that Flash wondered if he was accessing the speedforce. He's that fast. And someone read what i said about Suckerpunches. Spiderman can't suckerpunch the hulk. But Drax can. Thor can as well. Why? Cuz they are his equals.

Yes, but he was also magically charged. Just because Flash thought so, doesn't mean much. Look what he said about Doomsday. That automatically doesn't put him on Superman's speed level, sorry.

Originally posted by Priest
when thor w/ a magical Mjinor hammer is backng him up. Superman can not survive a godblast from thor, nor cant wonderwoman.

I think bracelets that have reversed godblast coming from an entire pantheon of gods could possibly handle one.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
WW has met DC's Thor and would have some aspect of knowledge of what to expect seeing as gods are all pretty much the same. For Thor/Captain Marvel Thor is the strong point for obvious reasons and for Superman/Wonder Woman it's Diana for obvious reasons. If they were to fight it's only kind be fair she'd know a bit of what to expect and how to cope unlike Superman who'd be assed out. Also let's not forget a nifty little plane that carries around godslaying weaponry and allows her telepathic abilities. And what makes you think DC Thor equals Marvel's Thor because DC Thor has no real feats to even begin talking about while Marvel Thor well he has quite a few
Besides lets not forget a nifty little hammer that can teleport the plane to another deminsion. Or the hammer that can cancel out mystical abilities

Originally posted by TheKahn
I think you have to be careful about how many exotic or rarely used powers you want to bring up in a fight with characters like Superman, WW, and Thor. They all have powers that it could be argued could end the fight in a matter of moments; T-Vo, Godwave, Godblast, ect.. I mean, how do you argue that one character could use one of those types of attacks to end the fight and the others wouldn't use their own?

Exactly.

Originally posted by Priest
obviously since this is a fight, superman is gonna get hit with more than one punch from CM.. and i dident say anyhting about superman taking a shit load of punches, said a few. dont take peoples words out of context.

And their matches have always gone either way. Cap's magical advantage.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But that skill still had her needing to resort to a k ring to even survive Superman. IIRC the ring was knocked away when she was punched from the Sun to the Earth, and gets back up before Superman gets back to Earth...

Originally posted by TheKahn
I think you have to be careful about how many exotic or rarely used powers you want to bring up in a fight with characters like Superman, WW, and Thor. They all have powers that it could be argued could end the fight in a matter of moments; T-Vo, Godwave, Godblast, ect.. I mean, how do you argue that one character could use one of those types of attacks to end the fight and the others wouldn't use their own?

I was just pointing out some of Thors exotic attacks that he could possibly use against Superman who's greatest weakness besides kp is magic.

I could post scans of Thor just brawling, but he's bloodlusted in this fight and fighting to the fullest.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why not? I was just showing what Thor could do to these two. There is nothing that is stopping him from using his powers to the fullest in this battle, thus he can shrink them and paralyze them.


Originally posted by TheKahn
I think you have to be careful about how many exotic or rarely used powers you want to bring up in a fight with characters like Superman, WW, and Thor. They all have powers that it could be argued could end the fight in a matter of moments; T-Vo, Godwave, Godblast, ect.. I mean, how do you argue that one character could use one of those types of attacks to end the fight and the others wouldn't use their own?

I've said it throughout this thread. Using rarely used elements in dire needs like this always makes the battle stupid things like BFR and going supernova are pure idiocy so Thor uses a godblast and WW uses the godwave then what?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I was just pointing out some of Thors exotic attacks that he could possibly use against Superman who's greatest weakness besides kp is magic.

I could post scans of Thor just brawling, but he's bloodlusted in this fight and fighting to the fullest.

Same with everybody else.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I've said it throughout this thread. Using rarely used elements in dire needs like this always makes the battle stupid things like BFR and going supernova are pure idiocy so Thor uses a godblast and WW uses the godwave then what?

Then Superman uses T-Vo while sundipping.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I've said it throughout this thread. Using rarely used elements in dire needs like this always makes the battle stupid things like BFR and going supernova are pure idiocy so Thor uses a godblast and WW uses the godwave then what?
one question..does wonderwoman always had access to the godwave?
i always thought that the godwave is used by a amped up WW.

Originally posted by newjak86
And what makes you think DC Thor equals Marvel's Thor because DC Thor has no real feats to even begin talking about while Marvel Thor well he has quite a few
Besides lets not forget a nifty little hammer that can teleport the plane to another deminsion. Or the hammer that can cancel out mystical abilities

Since when are gods truly different in any pantheon?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
IIRC the ring was knocked away when she was punched from the Sun to the Earth, and gets back up before Superman gets back to Earth...

Been there said that to no avail.

Originally posted by Priest
one question..does wonderwoman always had access to the godwave?
i always thought that the godwave is used by a amped up WW.

She has to pray for it takes a few seconds.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I've said it throughout this thread. Using rarely used elements in dire needs like this always makes the battle stupid things like BFR and going supernova are pure idiocy so Thor uses a godblast and WW uses the godwave then what? Then everybody looses

N obut in straight up fights there are no clear cut winners either way everyone really has an advantage over everyone else in this fight. No clear cut winner can be decided. I just think that thor's team will take it because of Supes vulnerability to magic and since a lot of it will be used in this fight well how long he could truely last in this fight comes into question. That is why I say 6/10 CM and Thor

Originally posted by batdude123
Then Superman uses T-Vo while sundipping.

Thor just showed in the scan above that he can deflect telepathic assaults with Mjolnir back on the attacker.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Since when are gods truly different in any pantheon?



Been there said that to no avail. Since different companies will write them in different ways.
Its simple DCs thor has no feats at all to say he is even close to Marvel's God of Thunder or even possesses the same abilities.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I was just pointing out some of Thors exotic attacks that he could possibly use against Superman who's greatest weakness besides kp is magic.

I could post scans of Thor just brawling, but he's bloodlusted in this fight and fighting to the fullest.

I don't know if saying that Superman has a weakness to magic isn't a misnomer. Given the fact that he is able to take physical attacks from magically empowered individuals as well as magically generated energy attacks and continue to fight (obviously is he only had resistance to magic on the scale of a normal human, then a punch or lightning from Captain Marvel should kill him), I think it might be best to say that he merely has a lesser degree of invulnerability to magic. He's proven to be a good match to Captain Marvel and Thor in the past and his greater speed should ensure that Thor has a difficult time connecting with any magic attacks. But that just my opinion.

Originally posted by newjak86
Then everybody looses

N obut in straight up fights there are no clear cut winners either way everyone really has an advantage over everyone else in this fight. No clear cut winner can be decided. I just think that thor's team will take it because of Supes vulnerability to magic and since a lot of it will be used in this fight well how long he could truely last in this fight comes into question. That is why I say 6/10 CM and Thor

I think Thor/Captain Marvel's lack of speed, skill, team work and knowledge make them lose.

Originally posted by newjak86
Since different companies will write them in different ways.
Its simple DCs thor has no feats at all to say he is even close to Marvel's God of Thunder or even possesses the same abilities.

I'm not saying DC's Thor uses godblast or but, the hammer is most likely used the same and that basically Thor's only contribution.

Originally posted by newjak86
Then everybody looses

N obut in straight up fights there are no clear cut winners either way everyone really has an advantage over everyone else in this fight. No clear cut winner can be decided. I just think that thor's team will take it because of Supes vulnerability to magic and since a lot of it will be used in this fight well how long he could truely last in this fight comes into question. That is why I say 6/10 CM and Thor

And although I disagree slightly with the your outcome, I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis of the fight. The match is so close to being a draw that I can only disagree with a 6/10 CM and Thor judgement with so much tenacity.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I think Thor/Captain Marvel's lack of speed, skill, team work and knowledge make them lose. What Thor lacks in straight away speed he makes up for in reaction time and raw power and CM is probably at keast as fas t as everyone else.. Supes has hardlt any fighting skill. While CM the least skilled one of thor is more skilled than supes because of the Wisdom of Solomon. They have no knowledge on Thor while CM has knowledge on both of them so that should go to Thor and CM.
While Thor and CM obviously have the magic advantage in this fight.

Alright then. Thor fights WW, charging his hammer throws. They go ftl, so they will hit her, of course, damage nullified due to her braces staying crossed. Stalemate.

Marvel fights Superman and starts charging his punches, to make him feel it on the skin. Superman opens up with hv. Marvel hurts Superman, Superman hurts Marvel, but they both keep at it. It looks like the combination of hv, icebreath and punches are wearing on Marvel. He's hurt bad, real bad.
As Superman speeds towards him, with the intent to finish it, blood streaming his face and matting his hair, Marvel says the magic word. Shazam.
Superman, after the long fight, just can't take this blast of high powered magical lighting. He falls, his tattered cape descending over his inert body like a blanket. Marvel looks up, and with resigned eyes heads over to help Thor finish WW.
And he cracks her gauntlets with a grunt at best, since of course, he being Supermans equal, and Superman did so in S/B.
WW, her boon destroyed, only has the time to look up and see a relatively fresh Thor with a smirk, swinging the hammer at ungodly speeds. All she has time to say, is "by Athena.................End.

Is that not reasonable??

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor just showed in the scan above that he can deflect telepathic assaults with Mjolnir back on the attacker.

Well, he's got more abilities then just that. I was only giving an example. You can't have Thor using some obscure power that he almost never uses if you don't have Wonder Woman and Superman fighting the same way.

Originally posted by newjak86
Supes has hardlt any fighting skill.

Hold on here, I stopped reading this when I got to this point. WHAT??!! He knows many styles of Kryptonian martial arts. He throws down with the best. Not a good fighter. Pfffffft.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I don't know if saying that Superman has a weakness to magic isn't a misnomer. Given the fact that he is able to take physical attacks from magically empowered individuals as well as magically generated energy attacks and continue to fight (obviously is he only had resistance to magic on the scale of a normal human, then a punch or lightning from Captain Marvel should kill him), I think it might be best to say that he merely has a lesser degree of invulnerability to magic. He's proven to be a good match to Captain Marvel and Thor in the past and his greater speed should ensure that Thor has a difficult time connecting with any magic attacks. But that just my opinion.

Thor has constantly shown that he's able to keep up with Character's who's speed is supposed to trump his own. I really don't think that the speed advantage means much, but thats just me?

Cap M can't do with his magic what Thor can do. Thor has shown the ability to negate and absorb other mystical beings energy, meaning that he can absorb WW mystical energy. He can like the scan above shows, shrink Superman or paralyze him.

This is a bloodlusted fight, meaning that each character should be fighting to the best of there abilities.

if supes sundipps i must say it is the end for the other team
if he doesnt then thor holds him off as shazam finishes him

godblast can deal some damage same with godwave im not sure here

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I'm not saying DC's Thor uses godblast or but, the hammer is most likely used the same and that basically Thor's only contribution. Dcs thor has no feats shown with the hammer though and so it could be nothig more than a hammer that is in destructable but has no magic properties no one knows for sure

I know I normally don't like to get into these well I think they take the slight majority matches becuase if it is so close then it can go either way.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hold on here, I stopped reading this when I got to this point. WHAT??!! He knows many styles of Kryptonian martial arts. He throws down with the best. Not a good fighter. Pfffffft.
he may know many martial arts skills, but he hardly uses them.. when wat the last time anyone said "superkick".

Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright then. Thor fights WW, charging his hammer throws. They go ftl, so they will hit her, of course, damage nullified due to her braces staying crossed. Stalemate.

Marvel fights Superman and starts charging his punches, to make him feel it on the skin. Superman opens up with hv. Marvel hurts Superman, Superman hurts Marvel, but they both keep at it. It looks like the combination of hv, icebreath and punches are wearing on Marvel. He's hurt bad, real bad.
As Superman speeds towards him, with the intent to finish it, blood streaming his face and matting his hair, Marvel says the magic word. Shazam.
Superman, after the long fight, just can't take this blast of high powered magical lighting. He falls, his tattered cape descending over his inert body like a blanket. Marvel looks up, and with resigned eyes heads over to help Thor finish WW.
And he cracks her gauntlets with a grunt at best, since of course, he being Supermans equal, and Superman did so in S/B.
WW, her boon destroyed, only has the time to look up and see a relatively fresh Thor with a smirk, swinging the hammer at ungodly speeds. All she has time to say, is "by Athena.................End.

Is that not reasonable??

The whole thing with Billy and Superman is that Supes has the edge in skill and experience.

thor is a straight up is a better fighter than superman for sure.

Originally posted by batdude123
Well, he's got more abilities then just that. I was only giving an example. You can't have Thor using some obscure power that he almost never uses if you don't have Wonder Woman and Superman fighting the same way.

I don't mind you bringing up all of his abilities, it's what your supposed to do.

2guns

Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright then. Thor fights WW, charging his hammer throws. They go ftl, so they will hit her, of course, damage nullified due to her braces staying crossed. Stalemate.

Marvel fights Superman and starts charging his punches, to make him feel it on the skin. Superman opens up with hv. Marvel hurts Superman, Superman hurts Marvel, but they both keep at it. It looks like the combination of hv, icebreath and punches are wearing on Marvel. He's hurt bad, real bad.
As Superman speeds towards him, with the intent to finish it, blood streaming his face and matting his hair, Marvel says the magic word. Shazam.
Superman, after the long fight, just can't take this blast of high powered magical lighting. He falls, his tattered cape descending over his inert body like a blanket. Marvel looks up, and with resigned eyes heads over to help Thor finish WW.
And he cracks her gauntlets with a grunt at best, since of course, he being Supermans equal, and Superman did so in S/B.
WW, her boon destroyed, only has the time to look up and see a relatively fresh Thor with a smirk, swinging the hammer at ungodly speeds. All she has time to say, is "by Athena.................End.

Is that not reasonable?? The vanguards are unbreakable. I remember seeing the scan but I'm sure I recall circumstances involved... for one thing I remember that he's strangling her with the lasso that only she can wield.

Really.. if we're going to talk about obscure powers or one-offs... WW lassoed Zoom.. and no one she's facing here is faster than Zoom...

Originally posted by batdude123
Hold on here, I stopped reading this when I got to this point. WHAT??!! He knows many styles of Kryptonian martial arts. He throws down with the best. Not a good fighter. Pfffffft.

The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

Originally posted by batdude123
Hold on here, I stopped reading this when I got to this point. WHAT??!! He knows many styles of Kryptonian martial arts. He throws down with the best. Not a good fighter. Pfffffft. Yet despite all that "knowledge" He hardly ever shows any of it if any at all. He has no feats of his "skill" Like WW and Thor do at least they make hints that Cms kill is up there all Superman can do is throw a punch it seems.

And he defently is outclassed by two fighters who have had thousands of years of exprience under their belts in Thor and WW

Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright then. Thor fights WW, charging his hammer throws. They go ftl, so they will hit her, of course, damage nullified due to her braces staying crossed. Stalemate.

Marvel fights Superman and starts charging his punches, to make him feel it on the skin. Superman opens up with hv. Marvel hurts Superman, Superman hurts Marvel, but they both keep at it. It looks like the combination of hv, icebreath and punches are wearing on Marvel. He's hurt bad, real bad.
As Superman speeds towards him, with the intent to finish it, blood streaming his face and matting his hair, Marvel says the magic word. Shazam.
Superman, after the long fight, just can't take this blast of high powered magical lighting. He falls, his tattered cape descending over his inert body like a blanket. Marvel looks up, and with resigned eyes heads over to help Thor finish WW.
And he cracks her gauntlets with a grunt at best, since of course, he being Supermans equal, and Superman did so in S/B.
WW, her boon destroyed, only has the time to look up and see a relatively fresh Thor with a smirk, swinging the hammer at ungodly speeds. All she has time to say, is "by Athena.................End.

Is that not reasonable??

No, because in the scenario you just described, Marvel would not have even have enough time to say the words "SHAZAM." On top of that, Superman would just dodge it (it goes as fast as lightning which is only half the speed of light), and besides, he's taken the lightning strike before. Marvel could only really call "SHAZAM" if he had Superman in a lock anyway. The lightning bolt strikes down upon himself. Other than that, it's not bad.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
The whole thing with Billy and Superman is that Supes has the edge in skill and experience.

Since when is Cap Marvel anything but a hardened warrior?? Cap Marvel exists, even when its not Billy who says shazam. There was a story once, where it showed that Billy hadn't gotten empowered by Shazam, and Marvel had just kept on being Marvel. Heck, thats what they are basing the Trials of Shazam on. The empowered mortal influences the Cap or BA. But he's not brand new everytime someone else is empowered. its a continuing legacy. Marvel existed back from ancient times....How is he not more experienced than Superman?

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

The "best" as in superhumans. Billy is actually less skilled than Superman is.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

superkick..

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The vanguards are unbreakable. I remember seeing the scan but I'm sure I recall circumstances involved... for one thing I remember that he's strangling her with the lasso that only she can wield.

Really.. if we're going to talk about obscure powers or one-offs... WW lassoed Zoom.. and no one she's facing here is faster than Zoom...

Are you reading my post and then slightly changing them?

Originally posted by batdude123
No, because in the scenario you just described, Marvel would not have even have enough time to say the words "SHAZAM." On top of that, Superman would just dodge it (it goes as fast as lightning which is only half the speed of light), and besides, he's taken the lightning strike before. Marvel could only really call "SHAZAM" if he had Superman in a lock anyway. The lightning bolt strikes down upon himself. Other than that, it's not bad.

The thing with this battle i narrated, is that Superman is tired. Marvel is tired. So being tired, he will be slower, and weaker. Thus, slow enough to get hit by lightning, which is still fast as hell, and weak enough to be finished off by that lightning. I narrated it with fatigue, and the like in mind. People don't end fights as fresh as when they started them, unless the person they are fighting is below them and a bother at best.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has constantly shown that he's able to keep up with Character's who's speed is supposed to trump his own. I really don't think that the speed advantage means much, but thats just me?

Cap M can't do with his magic what Thor can do. Thor has shown the ability to negate and absorb other mystical beings energy, meaning that he can absorb WW mystical energy. He can like the scan above shows, shrink Superman or paralyze him.

This is a bloodlusted fight, meaning that each character should be fighting to the best of there abilities.

Again there is an issue with Marvel superheroes and combat speed feats that has been mentioned before. Now while I don't think it's ever been shown that Wonder Woman even has "mystical energy" energy that can be drained, there are still two additional problems with this argument: 1. It is really just an assumption on your part that Thor would be able to actually do this to her and 2. It assumes that the enchantment on Mjolnir would be greater than the spell by the DC Olympians who created WW and gave her life.

Now maybe Thor could shrink Superman if he could actually hit him but then Superman could just as easily go invisible or start using his reality manipulating T-vo. See the problem? These exotic powers are just a pain in the ass and only seem to serve as plot devices as they don't see to be a part of the character's regular fighting style.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Are you reading my post and then slightly changing them? No... but my internet is going really slow right now so everything is lagging.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yet despite all that "knowledge" He hardly ever shows any of it if any at all. He has no feats of his "skill" Like WW and Thor do at least they make hints that Cms kill is up there all Superman can do is throw a punch it seems.

And he defently is outclassed by two fighters who have had thousands of years of exprience under their belts in Thor and WW



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Besides, what he MAY lack in skill, he more than makes up for it in fighting speed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No... but my internet is going really slow right now so everything is lagging.

I brought up the Zoom and the Flash along with the rest of the JLA thing like two pages ago.tongue12

Originally posted by UniOmni
The thing with this battle i narrated, is that Superman is tired. Marvel is tired. So being tired, he will be slower, and weaker. Thus, slow enough to get hit by lightning, which is still fast as hell, and weak enough to be finished off by that lightning. I narrated it with fatigue, and the like in mind. People don't end fights as fresh as when they started them, unless the person they are fighting is below them and a bother at best.

However, like I said Billy would have to have Superman in a lock for the SHAZAM thing to work. Besides, what's to say that Superman wouldn't just dowse him with a FULL blast of heat vision (which he has never done before)?

Ahh, the days when Supermans villains used to actually be able to defeat him.....And to think, some dislike the Precrisis Era. At least villains had respect.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

I'd say 1000 years of constant combat in Asgard would make you slightly more skilled than a civilian, no?
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Not many civilians know how to paralyze someone with a touch.
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Originally posted by LethalFemme
I brought up the Zoom and the Flash along with the rest of the JLA thing like two pages ago.tongue12 Wasn't that in a different thread? If not obviously it wasn't a very memorable post

Whats a full blast of hv?? Reigniting the earth?? Billy has survived being turned inside out. That won't be a problem. See, the problem with these uber feats, is that they upset the average. On average, Supermans hv isn't the end all that many see it as. On averge, Billy can't take being turned inside out. supermans hv is powerful. But its not a stand in for the sun.

Originally posted by batdude123


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Besides, what he MAY lack in skill, he more than makes up for it in fighting speed. What does that show him overpowering a person like he always does and then throws punches to put them down.

And what Thor lacks in speed he makes up for in reaction and fighting ability. Along with magic

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wasn't that in a different thread? If not obviously it wasn't a very memorable post

Apparently it was memorable if you remembered it was in a different thread.mhm

But Kahnnie, if he fights brawlers in Asgard for a thousand years, what makes him above that?? Like my dad said about Soccer and the usa.
America won't be the best in soccer, while playing mediocre American Soccer teams. To be the best you must constantly be in competition against the best. Superman fights brawlers. So at best, he's a brawler. Its all relative. And i know nerve touches. Was in karate for years. Still would get my ass kicked by a true ma. Cuz i'm simply a civilain with know how.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But Kahnnie, if he fights brawlers in Asgard for a thousand years, what makes him above that?? Like my dad said about Soccer and the usa.
America won't be the best in soccer, while playing mediocre American Soccer teams. To be the best you must constantly be in competition against the best. Superman fights brawlers. So at best, he's a brawler. Its all relative. And i know nerve touches. Was in karate for years. Still would get my ass kicked by a true ma. Cuz i'm simply a civilain with know how.

Couldn't the same be said of Thor?

I never claimed Thors fighting abilities in this thread. Others have, but i read the guy. His vaunted skills are legit in all but on panel showing.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But Kahnnie, if he fights brawlers in Asgard for a thousand years, what makes him above that?? Like my dad said about Soccer and the usa.
America won't be the best in soccer, while playing mediocre American Soccer teams. To be the best you must constantly be in competition against the best. Superman fights brawlers. So at best, he's a brawler. Its all relative. And i know nerve touches. Was in karate for years. Still would get my ass kicked by a true ma. Cuz i'm simply a civilain with know how.

The same thing that is suppose to make Thor so skilled in combat, lots and lots of practice. The point of that post was to show that, yes, Superman has as much combat experience as anyone and on occasion does reflect that he has learned martial arts before (both kryptonian and was taught by Mongul, iirc). Now Superman suffers from a problem similar to the Silver Surfer in that he has so many powers that some inevitably get less emphasis by particular writers. Superman's martial arts skills is one of them, imo.

I've only seen Captain Marvel p!ssed two times. First was in Kingdom Come under mind control and second was in First Thunder, after his friend was shot. Marvel a bigger boyscout than Superman. Unless he goes Black Adam in this fight, Supes and WW take a slight majority.

I just thought of something people since everyone is basically claiming Superman dies instantly because of his weakness to magic and since Wonder Woman is not only not weak against magic but, resistant to is how would that effect Thor's power on her would they be cut be 10%, 30%, 50%,etc.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I just thought of something people since everyone is basically claiming Superman dies instantly because of his weakness to magic and since Wonder Woman is not only not weak against magic but, resistant to is how would that effect Thor's power on her would they be cut be 10%, 30%, 50%,etc. Not really because he can still swing that hammer with alot force. I still think a full fledged hammer swing by Thor is greater than any punch thrown by superman

Originally posted by newjak86
Not really because he can still swing that hammer with alot force. I still think a full fledged hammer swing by Thor is greater than any punch thrown by superman

I was talking about her resistance towards magical energies.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I was talking about her resistance towards magical energies. I know what you were talking about I was just saying being resistent to Magic doesn't help you when a big Hammer is being swung at you.

Originally posted by newjak86
I know what you were talking about I was just saying being resistent to Magic doesn't help you when a big Hammer is being swung at you.

But, people were talking about godblasts and what not I want to know about that. And since it's a magical weapon swung extremely fast it still be pretty hard to determine the effect on her.

Originally posted by newjak86
I know what you were talking about I was just saying being resistent to Magic doesn't help you when a big Hammer is being swung at you. Crossing her wrists does.

Originally posted by Juntai
Crossing her wrists does.

Along with her speed and flight but, I want to know about magical energies.