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Who would win between these two "gods" and why?
discuss.

I'm going to have to say Onslaught since his psychic attack is overwhelming and that it took almost the entire cast to beat Onslaught.
While Darkseid on the other hand, has been constantly beaten by the likes of superman

Onslaught Definately. Supes Beats Darkseid. Aall of Heroes couldn't beat Onslaught until Hulk got mad.

PIS aside, Darkseid would school him. He has far more greater feats.

Originally posted by Tron
PIS aside, Darkseid would school him. He has far more greater feats.

Co-signed

Originally posted by Tron
PIS aside, Darkseid would school him. He has far more greater feats.

Agreed.
Btw. PC Darkseid would win 10/10
Current 8/10 to 9/10


Onslaught is the lesser of two evils.

This is onslaught we're talkin bout not some fuddy-duddy, guys. The guy who knocked juggernaut across america in order to make juggernaut forget bout him.
The guy becomes god-like in the astral-plane. the guy even made wolverine believe that he was a wolf cub.
If its a fight, Darkseid will bite the dust.
If ur goin accordin to feats, then Darkseid will win coz he's been around for like centuries n he'll have more evil feats to his scorecard than Onslaught could have imagined.

Darkseid's best feats trump anything Onslaught did.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This is onslaught we're talkin bout not some fuddy-duddy, guys. The guy who knocked juggernaut across america in order to make juggernaut forget bout him.
The guy becomes god-like in the astral-plane. the guy even made wolverine believe that he was a wolf cub.
If its a fight, Darkseid will bite the dust.
If ur goin accordin to feats, then Darkseid will win coz he's been around for like centuries n he'll have more evil feats to his scorecard than Onslaught could have imagined.
I don't think you know a thing about DS.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This is onslaught we're talkin bout not some fuddy-duddy, guys. The guy who knocked juggernaut across america in order to make juggernaut forget bout him.
The guy becomes god-like in the astral-plane. the guy even made wolverine believe that he was a wolf cub.
If its a fight, Darkseid will bite the dust.
If ur goin accordin to feats, then Darkseid will win coz he's been around for like centuries n he'll have more evil feats to his scorecard than Onslaught could have imagined.

Sorry, no. PIS aside, Darkseid is on normal powered Galactus level.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sorry, no. PIS aside, Darkseid is on normal powered Galactus level.


Then how come some guys keep sayin Thanos without the I/G wud rip DS apart. I jus dont get it, i mean Onslaught as smart as thanos if not smarter n in his second form he even created a second sun. n i said that feat-wise, onslaught wud be overtaken as soon as he left the starting line.

Unless of coursedoh...they're fanboys.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Then how come some guys keep sayin Thanos without the I/G wud rip DS apart. I jus dont get it, i mean Onslaught as smart as thanos if not smarter n in his second form he even created a second sun.

Unless of coursedoh...they're fanboys.

Most people are completely ignorant of what DS can TRUELY do because he jobs so many damn times. Hence the name "Jobberseid." Seriously, Thanos is a piece of crap in comparison to Darkseid. DS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanos. Anyway, Darkseid wins this one.

Originally posted by batdude123
Most people are completely ignorant of what DS can TRUELY do because he jobs so many damn times. Hence the name "Jobberseid." Seriously, Thanos is a piece of crap in comparison to Darkseid. DS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanos. Anyway, Darkseid wins this one.


Feat-wise or fight-wise? coz i don think its both.

I disagree that Thanos is crap in comparison to Darkseid. I don't like Thanos, at all, but his recent past utterly shits on Darkseids. Utterly.
You can keep bringing up the pc, but even back then, he wasn't infallible. Just out of reach to the heroes. As is Thanos nowadays. and Thanos never got made a fool of, in a serious battle, as has Darkseid. Begging change, and mumbling his name incoherently.
DS has fallen off.
And if people underrate Firelord for losing to Spiderman, i refuse to let Darkseid off the hook, though both instances never should have happened.

Onslaught from his max height of power?? He'll put up a good fight, and has a very good shot at winning.
If Firestorm can loop the OE in the oh so vaunted PC era, then Onslaught would loop it, and use it to shave some inches off Darkies brow knobs.
Plus he can reflect it with much more potent energy than heat vision.......................................Yeah people, i went there.
And for the record, Darkseid has lost a major amout of versatility in the past 2 decades.
Maybe someone will write him competently again, but for now, he's fallen off hard.

Onslaught 5/10. And it will be a big rumble.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I disagree that Thanos is crap in comparison to Darkseid. I don't like Thanos, at all, but his recent past utterly shits on Darkseids. Utterly.
You can keep bringing up the pc, but even back then, he wasn't infallible. Just out of reach to the heroes. As is Thanos nowadays. and Thanos never got made a fool of, in a serious battle, as has Darkseid. Begging change, and mumbling his name incoherently.
DS has fallen off.
And if people underrate Firelord for losing to Spiderman, i refuse to let Darkseid off the hook, though both instances never should have happened.

Onslaught from his max height of power?? He'll put up a good fight, and has a very good shot at winning.
If Firestorm can loop the OE in the oh so vaunted PC era, then Onslaught would loop it, and use it to shave some inches off Darkies brow knobs.
Plus he can reflect it with much more potent energy than heat vision.......................................Yeah people, i went there.
And for the record, Darkseid has lost a major amout of versatility in the past 2 decades.
Maybe someone will write him competently again, but for now, he's fallen off hard.

Onslaught 5/10. And it will be a big rumble.

Um, if Firelord looped the OE in Darkseid's PC era, then that's complete and utter crap. Think about it, high angels and skyfathers pissed their pants at just the mention of the OE, and then a herald level being (in the PRE-CRISIS era no less) is able to loop it??? That's bullshit if you ask me.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I disagree that Thanos is crap in comparison to Darkseid. I don't like Thanos, at all, but his recent past utterly shits on Darkseids. Utterly.
You can keep bringing up the pc, but even back then, he wasn't infallible. Just out of reach to the heroes. As is Thanos nowadays. and Thanos never got made a fool of, in a serious battle, as has Darkseid. Begging change, and mumbling his name incoherently.
DS has fallen off.
And if people underrate Firelord for losing to Spiderman, i refuse to let Darkseid off the hook, though both instances never should have happened.

Onslaught from his max height of power?? He'll put up a good fight, and has a very good shot at winning.
If Firestorm can loop the OE in the oh so vaunted PC era, then Onslaught would loop it, and use it to shave some inches off Darkies brow knobs.
Plus he can reflect it with much more potent energy than heat vision.......................................Yeah people, i went there.
And for the record, Darkseid has lost a major amout of versatility in the past 2 decades.
Maybe someone will write him competently again, but for now, he's fallen off hard.

Onslaught 5/10. And it will be a big rumble.
ROFL! What a hater.

Originally posted by Validus
ROFL! What a hater.

co-signed.

I'm a hater?! A hater?!?!?!!?!? Fukk you man! Fuk you!!!

Nah, j/p.....but really?? A hater Vally??

and for all the onslaught hate/dislike, at least his treatment of the heroes, let it be shown that he wasn't anybodies solo villain........Not like the way Austen showed Superman capable of handling the forces of Apok.

Hey watch ur language guy. At least put the * sign if u want to swear okay?


N if this is a contest of feats, DS whoops him.
If its a fight, Onslaught could win, then again who the hell knows?

Originally posted by batdude123
Sorry, no. PIS aside, Darkseid is on normal powered Galactus level. no hes not, he could be skyfather level and maybe a notch above.

No heat was intended in my language. Thats what the j/p was for. Just playing.

Originally posted by bigbran
no hes not, he could be skyfather level and maybe a notch above. disagree, of course, but one person said it and now your going to beleive it? he only said it because he left marvel.

Darkseid

Originally posted by bigbran
no hes not, he could be skyfather level and maybe a notch above.

Apparently you know absolutely NOTHING about Pre-Crisis Darkseid.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No heat was intended in my language. Thats what the j/p was for. Just playing.

Ya but the words were there right. Even if there's no aggression intended in the swear words ur typin, the words r still there right? That's why u gotta put the * mark or switch things around a bit like instead of shit u type sh!t.
What do u think will happen if a parent sees all those swear words in the article their kid is accessing? If its in the kid's room, its okay, but some pple have their comps in a place like the hall or something(mayb).

Originally posted by batdude123
Apparently you know absolutely NOTHING about Pre-Crisis Darkseid. ok, what level is highfather?

Originally posted by batdude123
Apparently you know absolutely NOTHING about Pre-Crisis Darkseid.


Uhh is it Pre-c DS we're talkin bout or post-c?

yeah excactly, nobody said anything about what darkseid.

Originally posted by bigbran
ok, what level is highfather?

Pre-Crisis Darkseid is above skyfather level.

Originally posted by batdude123
Pre-Crisis Darkseid is above skyfather level. stop dancing around the question. what level is highfather.

PC Darkseid was skyfather level. Top end skyfather, but still on that level.
As was the original Galactus.
Thats why Kirby had them as equals.
But Galactus has gone up, by many leagues, while Darkseid has stagnated.
The only time PC Darky was truely above skyfather level, was the GDS, when he absorbed the power of many other powerful beings.
And that wasn't the norm for the guy.
Theres a reason why many comic stores used to put the IG Saga right next to the GDS Saga.

And Darkseid and Highfather are pretty much two different sides of the same coin. They were equals during the PC era.
So that means that you feel Highfather is around 50% of Galactus??
Not gonna say thats wrong, but i will say i don't agree.

And why would Onslaught lose to Darkseid 10/10?? Curious is all.

Originally posted by UniOmni
PC Darkseid was skyfather level. Top end skyfather, but still on that level.
As was the original Galactus.
Thats why Kirby had them as equals.
But Galactus has gone up, by many leagues, while Darkseid has stagnated.
The only time PC Darky was truely above skyfather level, was the GDS, when he absorbed the power of many other powerful beings.
And that wasn't the norm for the guy.
Theres a reason why many comic stores used to put the IG Saga right next to the GDS Saga.

And Darkseid and Highfather are pretty much two different sides of the same coin. They were equals during the PC era.
So that means that you feel Highfather is around 50% of Galactus??
Not gonna say thats wrong, but i will say i don't agree.

And why would Onslaught lose to Darkseid 10/10?? Curious is all. thanx!!

I think I have too bring up scans.

Darkseid peirces Highfather's cloaking defenses, and so Izaya takes a leave to make sure DS wouldn't find Takion, as if he did, 'Seid would "surely destroy" him:

http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takion1210xr7nt.jpg

Darkseid easily defeats The Infinity Man, banishing him to another realm, with a barrier preventing his return:

http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9e65927jpgorig8za.jpg
http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9e658f8jpgorig8db.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foreverpeople011080nw.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foreverpeople011091wb.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foreverpeople011216ol.jpg

Can somebody please tell me if this is a fight or are we going according to feats or skyfather/highfather levels?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Can somebody please tell me if this is a fight or are we going according to feats or skyfather/highfather levels?
You said Onslaught threw Juggs across America, DS banished people through out time.

I say it could go EITHER WAY

You guys are forgetting many things:

Pro-Darksied

1) Darksied possesses the Omega Effect which I beleive may very well nullify Onslaught if it came into contact.

2) Darksied is a little above Thanos in terms of sheer physical might, and Thanos is on par with Hulk and Drax the Destroyer. Angry Hulk ripped away at Onslaught's armor. Does that mean Hulk can beat Onslaught? No...but he definately took away a layer of his defenses.

I am pretty confident that PIS ASIDE, Darksied can do the same thing.




Pro-Onslaught


1) Onslaught can mindwipe Darksied. Instant K.O.

2) If the Omega Effect is used, and Onslaught sees it coming he can easily freeze it in time/space, or possibly nullify/backfire the omega effect itself (if he had Franklyn Richard's powers)

3) Onslaught had unlimitted psychic ability....he was a God in the Astral Place...the fact that Hulk beat him down is TOTAL PIS..and a desperate way to end the Onslaught Saga, because REALISTICALLY Onslaught was wayyyyy above Hulk's level.

So if you are going to ignore Darksied's PIS, then you ALSO have to ignore Onslaught's PIS.




Both of these contendors have enough ability to defeat the other....I don't beleive this is a matter of who is stronger, smarter, more evil, or more versatile.

I think this is all a matter of HOW the story would be WRITTEN if the fight WERE to ever occur.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I say it could go EITHER WAY

You guys are forgetting many things:

Pro-Darksied

1) Darksied possesses the Omega Effect which I beleive may very well nullify Onslaught if it came into contact.

2) Darksied is a little above Thanos in terms of sheer physical might, and Thanos is on par with Hulk and Drax the Destroyer. Angry Hulk ripped away at Onslaught's armor. Does that mean Hulk can beat Onslaught? No...but he definately took away a layer of his defenses.

I am pretty confident that PIS ASIDE, Darksied can do the same thing.




Pro-Onslaught


1) Onslaught can mindwipe Darksied. Instany K.O.

2) If the Omega Effect is used, and Onslaught sees it coming he can easily freeze it in time/space, or possibly nullify/backfire the omega effect itself (if he had Franklyn Richard's powers)

3) Onslaught had unlimitted psychic ability....he was a God in the Astral Place...the fact that Hulk beat him down is TOTAL PIS..and a desperate way to end the Onslaught Saga, because REALISTICALLY Onslaught was wayyyyy above Hulk's level.

So if you are going to ignore Darksied's PIS, then you ALSO have to ignore Onslaught's PIS.
Dude the OE moves at warp speed he will never see it coming.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sorry, no. PIS aside, Darkseid is on normal powered Galactus level.

jack Kirby said that, but that aside, i havent seen any version of darkseid that has feats that can match up to what Galactus does.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I say it could go EITHER WAY

You guys are forgetting many things:

Pro-Darksied

1) Darksied possesses the Omega Effect which I beleive may very well nullify Onslaught if it came into contact.

2) Darksied is a little above Thanos in terms of sheer physical might, and Thanos is on par with Hulk and Drax the Destroyer. Angry Hulk ripped away at Onslaught's armor. Does that mean Hulk can beat Onslaught? No...but he definately took away a layer of his defenses.

I am pretty confident that PIS ASIDE, Darksied can do the same thing.




Pro-Onslaught


1) Onslaught can mindwipe Darksied. Instant K.O.

2) If the Omega Effect is used, and Onslaught sees it coming he can easily freeze it in time/space, or possibly nullify/backfire the omega effect itself (if he had Franklyn Richard's powers)

3) Onslaught had unlimitted psychic ability....he was a God in the Astral Place...the fact that Hulk beat him down is TOTAL PIS..and a desperate way to end the Onslaught Saga, because REALISTICALLY Onslaught was wayyyyy above Hulk's level.

So if you are going to ignore Darksied's PIS, then you ALSO have to ignore Onslaught's PIS.




Both of these contendors have enough ability to defeat the other....I don't beleive this is a matter of who is stronger, smarter, more evil, or more versatile.

I think this is all a matter of HOW the story would be WRITTEN if the fight WERE to ever occur.

ill have to agree with u but with one thing...sorry..i feel thanos deffinalty got the sheer mite thing over Darkseid..Thanos fought thor hulk, the thing at the same time, and held his own, accually he did beat the crap out of all of them in my opinion..another thing is Thanos did exchange blows with Warrior maddness Thor (10x stonger than a normal thor, also thor had the power gem) and held his own..
thanos > darkseid

Originally posted by Takion
You said Onslaught threw Juggs across America, DS banished people through out time.



He didn throw him, he punched him thru america. He evn ripped the gem out of juggy's body.

Originally posted by Priest
ill have to agree with u but with one thing...sorry..i feel thanos deffinalty got the sheer mite thing over Darkseid..Thanos fought thor hulk, the thing at the same time, and held his own, accually he did beat the crap out of all of them in my opinion..another thing is Thanos did exchange blows with Warrior maddness Thor (10x stonger than a normal thor, also thor had the power gem) and held his own..
thanos > darkseid

So what.

After Mantis has absorbed the full power of Hal Jordan's GL ring, he unloads it on DS. Check what happens:

http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssosv004121rd8mw.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssosv004174cl2df.jpg

Darkseid takes a blast from a Master Blaster, which Mr. Miracle states can destroy any life form, to no effect. Then he banishes Scott:

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseid0nq.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseid17ib.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
ill have to agree with u but with one thing...sorry..i feel thanos deffinalty got the sheer mite thing over Darkseid..Thanos fought thor hulk, the thing at the same time, and held his own, accually he did beat the crap out of all of them in my opinion..another thing is Thanos did exchange blows with Warrior maddness Thor (10x stonger than a normal thor, also thor had the power gem) and held his own..
thanos > darkseid

True, i stand corrected.

Thanos has beaten people who were seemingly stronger than himself. I always did beleive that Thanos is wayy stronger than Darkseid, the only point that convinced me otherwise was how DC fans SWEAR that Darksied is on par with Normal Galactus.

Somehow, i HIGHLY doubt this when SUPERMAN makes a punching bag out of Darkseid though

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I say it could go EITHER WAY

You guys are forgetting many things:

Pro-Darksied

1) Darksied possesses the Omega Effect which I beleive may very well nullify Onslaught if it came into contact.

2) Darksied is a little above Thanos in terms of sheer physical might, and Thanos is on par with Hulk and Drax the Destroyer. Angry Hulk ripped away at Onslaught's armor. Does that mean Hulk can beat Onslaught? No...but he definately took away a layer of his defenses.

I am pretty confident that PIS ASIDE, Darksied can do the same thing.




Pro-Onslaught


1) Onslaught can mindwipe Darksied. Instant K.O.

2) If the Omega Effect is used, and Onslaught sees it coming he can easily freeze it in time/space, or possibly nullify/backfire the omega effect itself (if he had Franklyn Richard's powers)

3) Onslaught had unlimitted psychic ability....he was a God in the Astral Place...the fact that Hulk beat him down is TOTAL PIS..and a desperate way to end the Onslaught Saga, because REALISTICALLY Onslaught was wayyyyy above Hulk's level.

So if you are going to ignore Darksied's PIS, then you ALSO have to ignore Onslaught's PIS.




Both of these contendors have enough ability to defeat the other....I don't beleive this is a matter of who is stronger, smarter, more evil, or more versatile.

I think this is all a matter of HOW the story would be WRITTEN if the fight WERE to ever occur.

Nope, sorry. Onslaught is NOT going to instantly mind rape Darkseid for the KO. Darkseid is also a profficient telepath as well.

During GDS, Darkseid ended up in The Legion's timeline, stripped of most of his power. By absorbing some power throughout the arc, he returns some of it, although he's never fully back to his original powr level. Anyway ...

Darkseid makes short work of Mordru:
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa661ad2jpgorig7nj.jpg

Darkseid makes short work of Mordru:
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa661ad2jpgorig7nj.jpg

The Time Trapper wasn't much more trouble:
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa661ac1jpgorig3wa.jpg

Darkseid takes Mon-El's laser vision to no effect and puts him into a coma with one blast:
http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbc4e6a5jpgorig2qz.jpg

Darkseid teleports Apokolips and Daxam:
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa661adfjpgorig7zs.jpg

Darkseid takes care of The Legion with transmutation, energy manipulation, and telepathy:
http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbc4e6a1jpgorig8lt.jpg

If this is a fight, an outright fistcuff fight, DS is gone.
I'll agree that DS is more evil as he has done some pretty nasty things and has had more time to do evil things than onslaught.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
True, i stand corrected.

Thanos has beaten people who were seemingly stronger than himself. I always did beleive that Thanos is wayy stronger than Darkseid, the only point that convinced me otherwise was how DC fans SWEAR that Darksied is on par with Normal Galactus.

Somehow, i HIGHLY doubt this when SUPERMAN makes a punching bag out of Darkseid though

Darkseid's gotten a lot of flak for his two losses to Superman and how recent they were. While I won'teven try to defend the jobfest that was Apokolips Now, S/B#12-13 gets exaggerated IMO. Up until WW teleported in by surprise to deflect his beams into his face, then the fight was taken near the sun, I beleive Darkseid had Superman well in-hand. A Darkseid sucker-punch, and Supergirl risks her life to sheild Supes. A Superman sucker-punch, followed by a flying bumrush, and 'Seid just shrugs it off, backhands Supes down, and this time WW steps in and risks her life to save Supes. I beleive the way the fight was panning out on Earth implies that, without his beams hitting his face and without Supes' sun-amp, DS would've won the fight.

The Anti-Monitor here is weakened, but he absorbs the entire power of his universe to help balance it out, and he still has enough power after absorbing the rest of his universe that he's crushing Golden Age Superman and Superboy Prime with one hand. Darkseid uses his resources to establish a link between himself and Alex Luthor, allowing him to "gaze" through Luthor's eyes, and then channels an enormous energy blast through him. This blast sends The Anti-Monitor sprawling into the sun and leaves him dying. Golden Age Supes lays down the finishing touches afterwards:

http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e2bd3jpgorig4wf.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e2bccjpgorig8te.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e25d5jpgorig5ts.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e25d2jpgorig0va.jpg

Originally posted by Takion
So what.

After Mantis has absorbed the full power of Hal Jordan's GL ring, he unloads it on DS. Check what happens:

http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssosv004121rd8mw.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssosv004174cl2df.jpg

Darkseid takes a blast from a Master Blaster, which Mr. Miracle states can destroy any life form, to no effect. Then he banishes Scott:

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseid0nq.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseid17ib.jpg

nice scans, they look like Pc Darkseid tho.. they are impressive but i was takin about sheer power or Physcial power..all ur scans showed was darkseid's durabilty..
Thanos as well has durabilty was well..
here are scans when thanos took a blast form omega( galactus and thanos clone)..Omega may have been as strong maybe stonger than galactus him self..
1) http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega45yy.jpg

2) http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega57dl.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
nice scans, they look like Pc Darkseid tho.. they are impressive but i was takin about sheer power or Physcial power..all ur scans showed was darkseid's durabilty..
Thanos as well has durabilty was well..
here are scans when thanos took a blast form omega( galactus and thanos clone)..Omega may have been as strong maybe stonger than galactus him self..
1) http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega45yy.jpg

2) http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega57dl.jpg
Yes, With the aid of three personal force fields.

And here's two feats from a Post-Crisis GDS aftermath issue ...



Darkseid turns Pre-Zero Hour Validus into a child:
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9db793f9tb.jpg

Darkseid disintegrates a Pre-Zero Hour Daxamite:
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9db7939jpgorig8zd.jpg

Darkseid completely vaporizes Kalibak with a touch:
http://img415.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mmiracle9st.jpg

Dr. Fate combines Darkseid's power with his own, Highfather's, Orion's, and Etrigan's (though, in this case it was revealed Etrigan's connection gives him power he can't fully tap, but DS or Fate apparently can). Combined, they stand up to the Anti-Life Entity (an abstract) for several pages, and create a chain reaction that destroys his dimension:

http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque5zy.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque17id.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque26gf.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque36tq.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque42yu.jpg

S/B is ridiculed, since Darky was written as stupid enough to fight Superman in his powersource.
Not teleporting them away, or the fact that he was fooled by a pile of ashes.
OR that Batman won a standoff against him.
Where was his tp then??
Or the fact that he was stupid enough to come after Superman alone, without any of the minions that dwell on Apok.
Or that his oe was reflected by what they should have simply bypassed.
Or the fact that he was pierced by an Amazon spear not to long ago.
Tell me when to stop..........

S/B is ridiculed, because Loeb totally missed the concept of Darkseid. Totally in the wrong hemisphere when it comes to characterization.
Darkseid isn't a teambeater. He sends out the guy who is a teambeater.
Darkseid doesn't get his hands dirty on the little people. Totally missed the point, did our man Jeph.

Darkseid gets rid of Superman and The Forever People with a gesture:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9e5c182jpgorig8tb.jpg

Originally posted by UniOmni
S/B is ridiculed, since Darky was written as stupid enough to fight Superman in his powersource.
Not teleporting them away, or the fact that he was fooled by a pile of ashes.
OR that Batman won a standoff against him.
Where was his tp then??
Or the fact that he was stupid enough to come after Superman alone, without any of the minions that dwell on Apok.
Or that his oe was reflected by what they should have simply bypassed.
Or the fact that he was pierced by an Amazon spear not to long ago.
Tell me when to stop..........

S/B is ridiculed, because Loeb totally missed the concept of Darkseid. Totally in the wrong hemisphere when it comes to characterization.
Darkseid isn't a teambeater. He sends out the guy who is a teambeater.
Darkseid doesn't get his hands dirty on the little people. Totally missed the point, did our man Jeph.
Don't worry I de-bugged the anti-feat.

Originally posted by batdude123
Nope, sorry. Onslaught is NOT going to instantly mind rape Darkseid for the KO. Darkseid is also a profficient telepath as well.

Being a Proficient telepath is nothing compared to having UNLIMITTED psychic ability.

I am under the impression that if Thanos fought Onslaught without prep, he would even be at risk for mindwipe.

Darkseid is not the genuis that Thanos is, so Darksied would have to work extra hard to prevent himself from being mindwiped by someone who has unlimitted telepathic ability , not to mention who achieved a level of high as hell reality warping ability.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Being a Proficient telepath is nothing compared to having UNLIMITTED psychic ability.

I am under the impression that if Thanos fought Onslaught without prep, he would even be at risk for mindwipe.

Darkseid is not the genuis that Thanos is, so Darksied would have to work extra hard to prevent himself from being mindwiped by someone who has unlimitted telepathic ability , not to mention who achieved a level of high as hell reality warping ability.
Actually....DS is very intelligent.

Darkseid perceives a cosmic event that escaped the notice of the Lords of Chaos and Order:

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Once Darkseid and Orion are in The Source, due to 'Seid's actions, they battle. With both having access to the power of The Source, their battle stretches across all of creation. There's some cool character stuff here, but at the end of it, Orion kills Darkseid. It's later revealed, of course, that Darkseid let Orion kill him. Personally, I think it speaks of Darkseid's power and intelligence that he got them to this power source, and IMO the fact that he would let himself be killed to fulfill his goals is hardcore:

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After his death in The Source, Darkseid regenerates inside of Orion and tears him in half:

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Originally posted by Takion
Actually....DS is very intelligent.

Darkseid perceives a cosmic event that escaped the notice of the Lords of Chaos and Order:

http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jimmy3iz.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jimmy13nj.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jimmy29nt.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jimmy31il.jpg

Once Darkseid and Orion are in The Source, due to 'Seid's actions, they battle. With both having access to the power of The Source, their battle stretches across all of creation. There's some cool character stuff here, but at the end of it, Orion kills Darkseid. It's later revealed, of course, that Darkseid let Orion kill him. Personally, I think it speaks of Darkseid's power and intelligence that he got them to this power source, and IMO the fact that he would let himself be killed to fulfill his goals is hardcore:

http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgods02057pc.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgods02062xk.jpg
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After his death in The Source, Darkseid regenerates inside of Orion and tears him in half:

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I never said Darksied was stupid. I just don't think hes AS intelligent as Thanos.

I think Darkseid is definately more evil than Thanos, and probably JUSt as insane...but not as versatile or intelligent..almost but not yet.

And secondly, why does Darksied job then if he has so much more potential than the stories allow him to reveal?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I never said Darksied was stupid. I just don't think hes AS intelligent as Thanos.

I think Darkseid is definately more evil than Thanos, and probably JUSt as insane...but not as versatile or intelligent..almost but not yet.

And secondly, why does Darksied job then if he has so much more potential than the stories allow him to reveal?
He's too powerful, and he should be almost on par with Thanos. DS mainly jobs to not very tough bricks. I don't know what I just said.

DS won't be mind raped, he controlled a planet of Superman level beings, and we know how tough Superman mind is.

Originally posted by Takion
He's too powerful, and he should be almost on par with Thanos. DS mainly jobs to not very tough bricks. I don't know what I just said.


It's the writers then. They don't know how to handle a character like Darksied.


The people who write Thanos do it much better. They allow him to be challenged and struggle, without making him look like a weakling or jobber.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's the writers then. They don't know how to handle a character like Darksied.


The people who write Thanos do it much better. They allow him to be challenged and struggle, without making him look like a weakling or jobber.
I agree Joeph Loeb ruined DS.

Originally posted by Takion
I agree Joeph Loeb ruined DS.

Which is a shame, cuz i do like Darkseid...well classicly written DArksied, and anytime i see a comic book with Darkseid in it, i get excited, until i see him FAIL due to PIS

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Which is a shame, cuz i do like Darkseid...well classicly written DArksied, and anytime i see a comic book with Darkseid in it, i get excited, until i see him FAIL due to PIS
Most of the people he lost too I can give you reasons why he lost.

Originally posted by Tron
PIS aside, Darkseid would school him. He has far more greater feats.
Only because he has been much longer around.

Originally posted by Takion
Most of the people he lost too I can give you reasons why he lost.

I am sure you can, but the point is he did lose...a lot.

I have nothing against Darksied himself...written RIGHT he should be able to defeat Onslaught, simply because Darksied HAS the experience necessary to do so..i mean battling with other Gods prior to this fight.

Onslaught was a one shot deal, as powerful as he is, and as MUCH as a physical and powerful match I feel HE IS for Darkseid....

Darkseid has the experience and intelligence advantage. I say this because Darkseid has been a schemer much longer (even though he fails repeatedly and sorely)......

Onslaught's defeat WAS TOTAL PIS though...you have to realize that....he was on a MUCH HIGHER level than Hulk to be defeated in that way, it was a desperate attempt on the writer's part to "hurry up" and end the Onslaught Saga......

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am sure you can, but the point is he did lose...a lot.

I have nothing against Darksied himself...written RIGHT he should be able to defeat Onslaught, simply because Darksied HAS the experience necessary to do so..i mean battling with other Gods prior to this fight.

Onslaught was a one shot deal, as powerful as he is, and as MUCH as a physical and powerful match I feel HE IS for Darkseid....

Darkseid has the experience and intelligence advantage. I say this because Darkseid has been a schemer much longer (even though he fails repeatedly and sorely)......

Onslaught's defeat WAS TOTAL PIS though...you have to realize that....he was on a MUCH HIGHER level than Hulk to be defeated in that way, it was a desperate attempt on the writer's part to "hurry up" and end the Onslaught Saga......
Hulk never defeat Onslaught, he just cracked his armor. In Marvel vs. Capcom, Ryu and Ken defeated Onslaught. Thats PIS.

Originally posted by Priest
ill have to agree with u but with one thing...sorry..i feel thanos deffinalty got the sheer mite thing over Darkseid..Thanos fought thor hulk, the thing at the same time, and held his own, accually he did beat the crap out of all of them in my opinion..another thing is Thanos did exchange blows with Warrior maddness Thor (10x stonger than a normal thor, also thor had the power gem) and held his own..
thanos > darkseid i was going to say the same thiing. on par with hulk, yeah in hulks wet dreams.

Originally posted by Takion
Hulk never defeat Onslaught, he just cracked his armor. In Marvel vs. Capcom, Ryu and Ken defeated Onslaught. Thats PIS.

No but he lead the way for Onslaught's defeat.

I still find the very fact that HULK was even ABLE to crack Onslaught's armor as PIS.

Has Hulk ever been able to crack through Silver Surfer's metallic like skin? No.....

Onslaught was considered a cosmic being....even the Astral diety like beast Shadow King feared him. Even Apocalypse stayed out of his way.

Originally posted by Takion
The Anti-Monitor here is weakened, but he absorbs the entire power of his universe to help balance it out, and he still has enough power after absorbing the rest of his universe that he's crushing Golden Age Superman and Superboy Prime with one hand. Darkseid uses his resources to establish a link between himself and Alex Luthor, allowing him to "gaze" through Luthor's eyes, and then channels an enormous energy blast through him. This blast sends The Anti-Monitor sprawling into the sun and leaves him dying. Golden Age Supes lays down the finishing touches afterwards:

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http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e25d2jpgorig0va.jpg for a being supposedly over galactus to be taken out, by darkseid controlling something. wow. this helps with my anti moniter/ galactus fight thing.
thanx

Darkseid>>>>>>>>>>>Onslaught

That's all I have to say.

onslaught has way to much power for darkseid to handle

onslaught.

Darkseid traps his consciousness into a ball and tucks it away for use later.

Originally posted by Juntai
Darkseid traps his consciousness into a ball and tucks it away for use later.

onslaught should be above celestial level and power...they way he lost was one of the stupidest things ive seen

they better redeem themself in "onslaught reborn"

Onsluaght has shown to be more than capable of beating darksied, he is bigger and stronger.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
Onsluaght has shown to be more than capable of beating darksied, he is bigger and stronger.



He also has vast powers beyond darkseid's, and he look's cooler too.

Dakseid should win 6/10 times due to the Omega effect, but Onslaught's no slouch.

Originally posted by bbrem123
onslaught should be above celestial level and power...they way he lost was one of the stupidest things ive seen

they better redeem themself in "onslaught reborn"
What?Originally posted by SuperChangeling
Onsluaght has shown to be more than capable of beating darksied, he is bigger and stronger. Originally posted by SuperChangeling
He also has vast powers beyond darkseid's, and he look's cooler too.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Dakseid should win 6/10 times due to the Omega effect, but Onslaught's no slouch.
He's nothing to Darkseid really....

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Dakseid should win 6/10 times due to the Omega effect, but Onslaught's no slouch.

i doubt the omega beam will get throught his forcefields

Originally posted by Skeets
What?

He's nothing to Darkseid really....

hes above celestial level...it was stupided how he was defeated...thats y there coming out with onslaught reborn to redeem themselfs

http://comics.ign.com/articles/699/699055p1.html

A well written Darksied, should be completely out of the range of being defeated by the entire JLA. Darksied has an entire planet, hordes of super powered lackeys, other Gods under his command, and his own Near Omnipotent arsenal of powers. Telepathy and Reality altering really mean nothing to a sky Father. He is not only a sky Father, He is literally the sky Father. Being more powerful than all other Gods under him except for High/Father. He is as powerful as Galactus. Onslaught can't conjure up anything that can be more than a bother to a well written Darksied. All this crap that has been put out by Superman writers is well just crap.

Originally posted by bbrem123
i doubt the omega beam will get throught his forcefields
are you serious?Originally posted by bbrem123
hes above celestial level...it was stupided how he was defeated...thats y there coming out with onslaught reborn to redeem themselfs
get serious why you think Strange wasn't around for the whole onslaught saga crap.

Originally posted by Skeets
are you serious?
get serious why you think Strange wasn't around for the whole onslaught saga crap.

its stated that magneto's could withstand galactus's attacks and onslaught is better at magnetism

onslaught uses the full potential of all the people he absorbs

franklin richards is potentially at celestial level plus better telepath then professor x, has better powers then magneto, and x-man

they did not kill him by force it was PIS

Originally posted by bbrem123
its stated that magneto's could withstand galactus's attacks and onslaught is better at magnetism

onslaught uses the full potential of all the people he absorbs

franklin richards is potentially at celestial level plus better telepath then professor x, has better powers then magneto, and x-man

they did not kill him by force it was PIS Considering the fact that Franklin Richards made his own universe, it really was PIS the way Onslaught was defeated.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Considering the fact that Franklin Richards made his own universe, it really was PIS the way Onslaught was defeated.

exactly

Onslaught 9/10

Originally posted by hulkrulz
Onslaught 9/10
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darkseid 10/10