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Okay, people. I realize that there is an entire X-men forum, but I really wanted to discuss this series with YOU guys, not the crew that hangs around the X-Men forum. So there you have it.

Anyways; in my personal opinion, this is one of the only X-series worth reading right now. I also think it's really good.

Does anyone else read this?

Thoughts?

A lot of people read this... and from the "calibre" of some of the threads and posts in the X-Men forum I can see why you'd rather discuss it here.

I don't know if they've started on the next set of issues yet or not, but I've read everything else. I really, really enjoy this series. It isn't super outlandish or anything, and still definitely has the X-Men feel to it, but it does a lot of new stuff and doesn't reuse a lot of old plot or story devices. I really don't like the feel of a lot of other X-Men comics, which is part of the reason I really like this one - it isn't those other ones.

But yeah, I agree...

Too bad Whedon can't write in continuity.

It's a good read, but he makes Wolverine a goof. He has seriously admitted to only writing Wolverine as comic relief. Wolverine needs to have more respect from Whedon, but other than that it's okay.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's a good read, but he makes Wolverine a goof. He has seriously admitted to only writing Wolverine as comic relief. Wolverine needs to have more respect from Whedon, but other than that it's okay. I'd imagine Wolverine is only there because he has to be on every team by decree of Marvel. He can only be treated as comic relief because he really has no real role there that I can think of.

I read it, its great.

The best X book out right now till this tuesday.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's a good read, but he makes Wolverine a goof. He has seriously admitted to only writing Wolverine as comic relief. Wolverine needs to have more respect from Whedon, but other than that it's okay.

I like the Wolverine in Astonishing. Especially when he has his argument with Beast. That was awesome writing.


By the way, Astonishing is the only X-book that is worth the money right now.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
By the way, Astonishing is the only X-book that is worth the money right now.
Co-sign.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I like the Wolverine in Astonishing. Especially when he has his argument with Beast. That was awesome writing.


By the way, Astonishing is the only X-book that is worth the money right now.

Probably because he's only there for jokes, and he's written like a weakling dumbass. Other than that, it's fine.

I don't see how either of those are true. Do you think Wolverine should have dominated Ord and Danger or something?

Originally posted by batdude123
Probably because he's only there for jokes, and he's written like a weakling dumbass. Other than that, it's fine.

Probably what?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Probably what?

He's only there for jokes, and the writer (Whedon) ADMITTED that he only writes Wolverine in there for the comic relief. Whedon doesn't really like Wolverine, he only put him in there because it's a fact that Wolverine sells comics.

Originally posted by Validus
I don't see how either of those are true. Do you think Wolverine should have dominated Ord and Danger or something?

(While attacking the green monster)

Wolverine: "I really like beer."

Originally posted by batdude123
(While attacking the green monster)

Wolverine: "I really like beer."


And? Did you have the same disdain for Kyle and Wally in the JLA?

Some people like a few jokes in their overly melodramatic comics. It's called entertainment. Who else can provide that on the Astonishing team? Cyclops?

Originally posted by Validus
And? Did you have the same disdain for Kyle and Wally in the JLA?

Some people like a few jokes in their overly melodramatic comics. It's called entertainment. Who else can provide that on the Astonishing team? Cyclops?

My point is, in that comic Wolverine is a joke. Kyle and Wally joke with each other because that's their personality.

He makes snappy one liners and is thus a joke? He's similar to the way he was in the Grant Morrison run which, incidently, is where Astonishing takes its cues from.

Originally posted by Validus
He makes snappy one liners and is thus a joke? He's similar to the way he was in the Grant Morrison run which, incidently, is where Astonishing takes its cues from.

Whedon has admitted that Wolverine's SOLE purpose in that comic is for comic relief. He's sucked out the entire integrity of Wolverine's character in that comic. Seriously, I'm done discussing this topic. It's a fact. The guy admitted to it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Seriously, I'm done discussing this topic.
Well, thats because you're a quitter and we all know quitters....quit.

Originally posted by Validus
Well, thats because you're a quitter and we all know quitters....quit.
why you always got to pick on people......weep just like Ramon.

Originally posted by Validus
Well, thats because you're a quitter and we all know quitters....quit.

No, I'm done because it's a fact, and you aren't understanding it. So I figure, what the hell's the point?

Originally posted by batdude123
No, I'm done because it's a fact, and you aren't understanding it. So I figure, what the hell's the point?
Translation: I'm a quitter.

Originally posted by Validus
Translation: I'm a quitter.

I've explained my point. It's over now Val. Let it go.

Originally posted by batdude123
I've explained my point. It's over now Val. Let it go.
Quitter

Originally posted by batdude123
Whedon has admitted that Wolverine's SOLE purpose in that comic is for comic relief. He's sucked out the entire integrity of Wolverine's character in that comic. Seriously, I'm done discussing this topic. It's a fact. The guy admitted to it.

He may have admitted it, but Wolverine is far from a joke in the series. He's just not his normal "uber g0d fanby's wet dr3am" form.

I suppose that upsets you.

Originally posted by Validus
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Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I read it, its great.

The best X book out right now till this tuesday.

The best X men book since Morisson's New X-men. Its a pity G.S. had to ruin it for everyone.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The best X men book since Morisson's New X-men. Its a pity G.S. had to ruin it for everyone.


The Morrison run was probably my favorite era of X-Men outside of Chris Claremont's heyday (which is long past).

Originally posted by Validus


The Morrison run was probably my favorite era of X-Men outside of Chris Claremont's heyday (which is long past).

IMO Chris Claremont's heyday has had a dual role, on X-men comics. Its allowed X-men to be associated with some of the greatest stories ever illustrated, and is responsible for the utter crap that has been published since the late 80's.

Claremonts a legend, but he's really out stayed his welcome.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
He may have admitted it, but Wolverine is far from a joke in the series. He's just not his normal "uber g0d fanby's wet dr3am" form.

I suppose that upsets you.

No, I'm not a Wolverine fanboy. The integrity of Wolverine's character is shot to hell in that series. Whedon did to Wolverine what Adam West did to Batman.

Originally posted by Validus
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A lot of people read this... and from the "calibre" of some of the threads and posts in the X-Men forum I can see why you'd rather discuss it here.

hey i started of in the x-men forum, there is nowt wrong with it.

and astonishing x-men is really cool, features 4 of my favourite x-men, plus Ord is a cool villian.

Originally posted by batdude123
No, I'm not a Wolverine fanboy. The integrity of Wolverine's character is shot to hell in that series. Whedon did to Wolverine what Adam West did to Batman.

I couldnt agree more. While I really like the series he did make Wolverine a joke. CAse in point the latest issues in which as a result of Cassandra Nova he acts like a scared puppy. No respect for the character but I like what he is doing with Emma Frost and the new Hellfire club. Very entertaining series.

Because Wolverine really has no place there. Everyone else has been relatively integral to the plot. He's only there because he has to be everywhere. There's no need for Whedon to devote a ton of time into giving dialogue to or developing Wolverine, when he's already in his own solo series, the other X-titles, and New Avengers.

Besides that's totally in character for Cassandra Nova.
Originally posted by Validus
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Originally posted by batdude123
No, I'm not a Wolverine fanboy. The integrity of Wolverine's character is shot to hell in that series. Whedon did to Wolverine what Adam West did to Batman.

I'm not saying you're a fanboy (I know you aren't), just that because Wolverine is back to his slightly-above street leveller status, you're a wee bit sad.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I'm not saying you're a fanboy (I know you aren't), just that because Wolverine is back to his slightly-above street leveller status, you're a wee bit sad.

Just the overall integrity of his CHARACTER that was established many years ago is gone. I would actually prefer Wolverine to stay out of the Astonishing books all together, then for him to get written this way.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Because Wolverine really has no place there. Everyone else has been relatively integral to the plot. He's only there because he has to be everywhere. There's no need for Whedon to devote a ton of time into giving dialogue to or developing Wolverine, when he's already in his own solo series, the other X-titles, and New Avengers.

Besides that's totally in character for Cassandra Nova.


Whedon made reference to the fact that he would enjoy creating an X book without Wolverine, and that it frustrates him that the characters seems to be in virtually very marvel mainstream comic. To be fare, i reckon the Morison esque role he has at the moment is perfect for him. I haven't read the most recent issue, but the feat should be attributed to Cassandra Nova's power (IMO the Onslaught Saga would have been a lot better, if she had been the nemesis, instead of Onslaught) rather a 'diss' at wolverine. We know he's going to save the day in the end, anyway. I just hope Emma is kept as a good guy at the end of the series. She been one of the best female characters to come out of marvel since the 20th century. She's like a female version of Elijah Snow, from Planetary.

Originally posted by batdude123
No, I'm not a Wolverine fanboy. The integrity of Wolverine's character is shot to hell in that series. Whedon did to Wolverine what Adam West did to Batman. Wolverine has some really badass things in that series too...

Originally posted by batdude123
Just the overall integrity of his CHARACTER that was established many years ago is gone. I would actually prefer Wolverine to stay out of the Astonishing books all together, then for him to get written this way.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I think the Wolverine character in this is one of the best he has in comics out now.

Originally posted by batdude123
Whedon has admitted that Wolverine's SOLE purpose in that comic is for comic relief. He's sucked out the entire integrity of Wolverine's character in that comic. Seriously, I'm done discussing this topic. It's a fact. The guy admitted to it.
agreed. He writes wolverine like an idiot

I like astonishing at the moment. I agree that wolverine is slightly underrated, but I am not complaining because they show Beast as a more central character to the storyline and he has had some impressive showings already