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First off, an important message about haters . And don't worry, it's nothing like the other one.

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Reiteration of the rules:

1. Prep = 15 minutes, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.

2. The only thing combatants can have "operational" coming into the fight is generic shielding. Thus, an offensive or other maneuver must begin after the fight has started. No creating 10,000 illusions/constructs/etc. during prep or anything like that.

3. If you don't know the rules, read them! The first person to make 7 battle-related posts on Day 1, then complain to me will be flogged....or at least get a PM from me with a " " smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.

4. Observers are asked to NOT post in this thread unless it is a question directly related to the battle.

5. Keep anything extraneous in the discussion thread. Please help me keep this battle as efficient as possible.

6. Judges: wait a while to vote. And post your vote, possibly with a (brief) explanation. Don't vote in the poll Observers: Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd encourage you to wait as well.

7. Help me out with all of this. If something needs edited out, let me know...I can't catch everything.

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Newjak/Blair Wind

vs.

Khellendros/K Von Doom

Newjak/Blair Wind
G.L. Kyle Rayner (BW)
Shaman (Team)
Juggernaut (Newjak)

Khell/KVD
Black Bolt (Team)
Witchfire (KVD)
...they switched BRB for Spartan later on and I forgot to get the bio(s). Khell or KVD, please post it in one of your opening posts. Thanks.

Judges: outarddwarf, Illadelph, Xmarksthespot, ?? (4th coming soon).

Battle Location: A turtle has been enlarged to the size of the moon. The shell is then removed from the turtle. You're fighting on top of the shell, in deep space (breathable atmospherre though). A weak gravitational force holds you to the shell, and so either side of the shell that you're on (outer or inner) could be considered "down". It is no harder/stronger than a normal turtle shell, though it is considerably thicker. Both teams start on opposite sides of the outer side of the shell, so that the hump in the middle prevents them from seeing each other initially.

...yeah, I know...I'm running out of ideas.

Blair/newjak's opening strategy.

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PREP:
Ok folks here goes our first lesson on GL knowledge. A GL ring CAN DO ANYTHING. If you dont believe me, who will you believe? Batman? http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg107nr.jpg
Thank you Batman. It can do anything you think it can do. Now that we are done with that little bit of information, we can get on with the show.

My team has been assembled: Shaman, Juggernaught, and Kyle Rayner. Knowing they are about to face of in battle, they begin to prepare for the worst in the time they are given. Kyle, wanting to maximize the efforts of everyone, commands the ring to give his team supercomputer type brains (they can now think, react, and act at superspeed). Think the Midnighter. Think seeing everything in slow motion. Got that picture? Good

Next GL makes personal shields for himself and Shaman and instructs the ring to not let anything IN, but to let things out. And making a couple of shields is nothing to Kyle:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glonemillion153wm.jpg He did that with no strain whatsoever.

Now to maximize the potiental of our teams efficiancy Shaman begins to protect us with magic. We got your standard magic shields big enough to cover the whole team but he just makes it for him and Kyle:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_004.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_005.jpg

He also protects the forcefield with a powder that makes anyone pound or try to break it see their greatest fears, their personal phobias (while protecting his team from the magic):
Phobia Manipulation ( Alpha Flight #12) This attack doesn't attack the body, but the mind bringing forth the person's phobias. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/AlphaFlight12-27.jpg

Shaman then secures that shield with multiple layers of shields around him and Kyle. There is not enough space for a person to fit between layers, but they are big enough to be seen.

With all these shields, you can never be too certain. So Kyle does the unthinkable and gives Shaman superpowers. Yes I said superpowers. As in his own physical superpowers! Dont think it can be done? Kyle once gave himself telekinisis when he couldnt use the ring (or else he would be caught and arrested/killed on the planet *as you can see because they detected the energy spike before he even got on the planet that was him changing himself) So before he got there he gave himself the powers and changes his apperance. The change:
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern173p027ju.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern173p036bq.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern173p048fj.jpg

The power:
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=169fd.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=175fg.jpg

Seeing as it was cellular change that he did (as told by Abin Sur later on), he simply modifies what he did to give Shaman the basic Superman set of powers (Superstrength, Extreme durability, Super Speed, plus a healing factor)

One little problem that we will soon modify is that Juggernaut cannot fly. Shaman talks to the Wind Spirit and asks it to let Juggernaut fly and to follow his commands. So we get Juggs with wind control (that can be used offensively and to fly)
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight36-19.jpg
and http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/A_Flight8/AlphaFlight69-23.jpg
They can be as fast as http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight37-06.jpg

While this is all taking place, Juggernaut has activated his own personal forcefield and is just itching to hit something.

With all this done Kyle takes a moment says his oath, recharges his ring and prepares to battle.

The last thing my team does is get together and (juggs takes his helmet off for this) have Kyle implant in their minds something that will make them all bloodthirsty, fighting all out without remorse (use your imagination as to what those reasons are *ie Shamans daughter has been captured* ).
Proof that the ring can work on the mind in different ways:
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glanternv305819rougher1ma.jpg

Now Juggernaut, Shaman, and Kyle are ready to rumble.

BATTLE:
Alright then after our prep is finshed we are ready to go.
As soon as the battle starts protected behind all our shields, Shaman will activate some powders. With his new powers and computer like brain Shaman quickly activates the powders making the entire opposing team mute, to cut off teamwork and communication.
While Shaman has been doing all this, Kyle concentrates and quickly creates five constructs unlike his regular constructs. These are alive, sentient, and can act independently. Did I mention that they are all Daxamites who also have the ability to lend speed, have super computer brains and a GL ring? No? Need proof?
This is when Kyle subconsciouly created the "fake" GLC
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanterncircleoffire418ik.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanterncircleoffire423pa.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanterncircleoffire438rp.jpg
Explained that they really are just constructs (even though they have memories)
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2greenlanterncircleoffire02244.jpg

Now Green Lighting was a speedster who could give/take speed, Emeral Knight was a Daxamite (Daxamite is just > Superman level), and G.L. was a robot with a supercomputer type brain (and they all had a workable GL ring). Kyle takes those facets and again creates a "fake" GLC making 5 (per the rules of how many independent constructs can be made)

*Proof of what Im saying*
Green Lighting: http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glas18nastynat8ph.jpg
(this was adam strange she just gave some speed too): http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2greenlanterncircleoffire02123.jpg
Emerald Knight: http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternpowergirlcircleoff.jpg
Heat Vision: http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternpowergirlcircleoff.jpg
Second: http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternpowergirlcircleoff2.jpg

They all have a GL ring (these were another two of the fake corps): http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanterntheatomcircleoffir.jpg

This will happen while him, Shaman, and Juggs quickly survey the battlefield since they all have computer brains they all know what is going fast and effectivly and come up with the best means to handle the situation.

Shaman soon realizes that a spirit is on the field in Spartan and yes spartan is a spirit inhabiting the body of a Cyborg. Shaman being able to call upon and dispell spirits will then begin to cast a spell to to remove Spartan's Spirit from his body since his body is not his natural one it will work and Khell's team is already down one memeber.
The bio that Khell himself provided says

Bio: Spartan's main personality was taken from the Kherubim Yon Khol. After being mortally wounded, Yon Khol's spirit was removed and placed into a Hadrian 7 model biosynthetic Spartan body. Khol's body survived and usurped Kaizen Gamorra's identity. As Spartan, he served under Jacob Marlowe, the Kherubim Lord Emp in his war against the Daemonites.

Two of the Daxamites can then bum rush his body and tear it a new one with their heat vision, bare hands or some GL work. And if it does happen to have just a tiny bit of life in it, they can drain his kinetic energy enough that he wont be able to teleport away (and teleporting next to my characters he wont be able to thanks to the many layers of shielding that I have *which are magical in nature meaning that they cant be used against them

Khell will probably come unto the battlefield ready to unleash BlackBolt's scream to take out my team as fast as possible but being that Shaman has made the opposing team mute the problem is taken care of. However he has many more abilities, and the ring scans Black Bolt and realizes his powers. Kyle just changes the polarity because BB just separates the molecular bonds of matter (electron interaction; ie, magnetic bonds). The ring can counter this by using a positive charge (protons) to stabilize the effect (stabilizing the polarity and negating the separation)

With this done the ring also determines that BB uses his power and that he concentrates his energy through his tuning fork.
Another two of the Daxamites and Kyle all blast together hurting BB as much as posible and take out his tuning fork (which causes him to passout doesnt it?)

Juggernaut, wanting to fulfill his deep passion and desire of just ramming into someone and kicking the crap outa them, has come to notice Witchfire preparing some attack, and decides to bumrush her as fast as he can with his new wind powers. The last of the Daxamites comes to attack also, and lending Juggernaut some additional speed they hit her straight on

Juggs can take anything she throws at him* and it seems she cant do much when mute:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight124-11.jpg
then when they rams her he then rips her head off
http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invulnerable9mg.jpg
What is that Juggs taking the Godforce Blast?!
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=juggshit1ni.jpg
Now that is a one shot KO of Thor alot of people will say that it was due to him having the extra momentum of the hammer well with the wind powers and with the extra speed that he has been given he should be hitting with sufficient force to do the same to her

Just wanna say good luck to everyone and let's get reADY TO RUMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Originally posted by DigiMark007
First off, an important message about haters . And don't worry, it's nothing like the other one.

...

Reiteration of the rules:

1. Prep = 15 minutes, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.

2. The only thing combatants can have "operational" coming into the fight is generic shielding. Thus, an offensive or other maneuver must begin after the fight has started. No creating 10,000 illusions/constructs/etc. during prep or anything like that.

3. If you don't know the rules, read them! The first person to make 7 battle-related posts on Day 1, then complain to me will be flogged....or at least get a PM from me with a " " smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.

4. Observers are asked to NOT post in this thread unless it is a question directly related to the battle.

5. Keep anything extraneous in the discussion thread. Please help me keep this battle as efficient as possible.

6. Judges: wait a while to vote. And post your vote, possibly with a (brief) explanation. Don't vote in the poll Observers: Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd encourage you to wait as well.

7. Help me out with all of this. If something needs edited out, let me know...I can't catch everything.

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Newjak/Blair Wind

vs.

Khellendros/K Von Doom

Newjak/Blair Wind
G.L. Kyle Rayner (BW)
Shaman (Team)
Juggernaut (Newjak)

Khell/KVD
Black Bolt (Team)
Witchfire (KVD)
...they switched BRB for Spartan later on and I forgot to get the bio(s). Khell or KVD, please post it in one of your opening posts. Thanks.

Judges: outarddwarf, Illadelph, Xmarksthespot, ?? (4th coming soon).

Battle Location: A turtle has been enlarged to the size of the moon. The shell is then removed from the turtle. You're fighting on top of the shell, in deep space (breathable atmospherre though). A weak gravitational force holds you to the shell, and so either side of the shell that you're on (outer or inner) could be considered "down". It is no harder/stronger than a normal turtle shell, though it is considerably thicker. Both teams start on opposite sides of the outer side of the shell, so that the hump in the middle prevents them from seeing each other initially.

...yeah, I know...I'm running out of ideas.



Hey Digi how about you let someone else come up with the arenas I mean come on.

I think a moon sized turtle shell is incredibly innovative.

Originally posted by Validus
I think a moon sized turtle shell is incredibly innovative.

You must be sleeping with him now.disgust

If there was a giant snake wrapped around the turtle you could have called this battlefeild "Genbu". Though technically you still can, since you can call it whater you wish.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t362941.html

Originally posted by DigiMark007
First off, an important message about haters . And don't worry, it's nothing like the other one.

...

Reiteration of the rules:

1. Prep = 15 minutes, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.

2. The only thing combatants can have "operational" coming into the fight is generic shielding. Thus, an offensive or other maneuver must begin after the fight has started. No creating 10,000 illusions/constructs/etc. during prep or anything like that.

3. If you don't know the rules, read them! The first person to make 7 battle-related posts on Day 1, then complain to me will be flogged....or at least get a PM from me with a " " smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.

4. Observers are asked to NOT post in this thread unless it is a question directly related to the battle.

5. Keep anything extraneous in the discussion thread. Please help me keep this battle as efficient as possible.

6. Judges: wait a while to vote. And post your vote, possibly with a (brief) explanation. Don't vote in the poll Observers: Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd encourage you to wait as well.

7. Help me out with all of this. If something needs edited out, let me know...I can't catch everything.

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Newjak/Blair Wind

vs.

Khellendros/K Von Doom

Newjak/Blair Wind
G.L. Kyle Rayner (BW)
Shaman (Team)
Juggernaut (Newjak)

Khell/KVD
Black Bolt (Team)
Witchfire (KVD)
...they switched BRB for Spartan later on and I forgot to get the bio(s). Khell or KVD, please post it in one of your opening posts. Thanks.

Judges: outarddwarf, Illadelph, Xmarksthespot, ?? (4th coming soon).

Battle Location: A turtle has been enlarged to the size of the moon. The shell is then removed from the turtle. You're fighting on top of the shell, in deep space (breathable atmospherre though). A weak gravitational force holds you to the shell, and so either side of the shell that you're on (outer or inner) could be considered "down". It is no harder/stronger than a normal turtle shell, though it is considerably thicker. Both teams start on opposite sides of the outer side of the shell, so that the hump in the middle prevents them from seeing each other initially.

...yeah, I know...I'm running out of ideas.



4th judge ? MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Khell/KVD
Black Bolt (Team)
Witchfire (KVD)
...they switched BRB for Spartan later on and I forgot to get the bio(s). Khell or KVD, please post it in one of your opening posts. Thanks.

Newb.

Khell/KVD
Black Bolt (Team)
Witchfire (KVD)
Spartan 3.0/Void powers (Khell)

A giant turtle shell? Reminds me of It by Stephen King.

Man...that opening post was...

DAMN. That's some power.

This is going to be good.

Originally posted by Validus
I think a moon sized turtle shell is incredibly innovative.

How is it different from being on the normal moon and teams starting on opposite sides? This is not one of my official posts, by the by.

Where's Khells/KVD's opening strategy?

They didnt send Digi one it seems
Been waiting for something though......

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1876/locos29vd.th.jpg

Hurry up so I can use my still unused 9 posts

The Locos???

Originally posted by illadelph12
The Locos??? Lords Of Order and Chaos (The L.O.C.O.s)

Originally posted by newjak86
Lords Of Order and Chaos (The L.O.C.O.s)

Wouldn't that be L.O.O.A.C.?

Lords of Chaos and Order......we just left the and out

Okay, first thing's first. During prep, Black Bolt quickly informs his teammates of the fact that he can't communicate verbally, and why, via his ability to gather up particles in the air and basically write in midair. After everyone gives each other a general rundown of the powers they bring to the table, BB and Spartan, both incredible tacticians, begin putting together a plan of action. During this, Witchfire explains who Shaman is, and what he can do.

In the last few minutes of prep, Black Bolt put up his personal forcefield, which allows him to trade blows with the likes of the Hulk and Gladiator. Since Witchfire's a telepath, and BB can't speak, they decide to stick together during this fight, while the teleporter goes long range.

The Battle -

The instant they appear on the battlefield, Spartan raises stealth fields that render him invisible to both the naked eye and technological detection.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1029/stealth17po.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8973/stealth27tq.jpg


Now, since basically the only ALLOWABLE things you did during prep were piling on the damn shields, Spartan teleports high enough into the air that he can scan the entire battlefield. Once he detects your team, he teleports small pieces of the giant shell into the brains of Kyle And Shaman.
The same way he can teleport the bodyparts off an enemy:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3838/teleportingbodyparts4nj.jpg

Or the gun out of an assassin's hand in mid-teleport (and a teleport to a dimension that not even Void could access, no less):
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6761/teleportingassassin11uz.jpg http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6761/teleportingassassin11uz.jpg

Now, before you start whining, I asked Digi about that exact tactic long before I switched Spartan in, and he said it was cheap, but that any teleportation attack other than BFR was allowed.

So, your spellcaster is dead before he's had time to cast maybe one spell. I'll give Kyle the benefit of the doubt and assume you'll probably have a scan showing him countering/surviving something similar. But I imagine it'll still give him one b*tch of a headache. Of course, Juggy probably just feels a a minor ache while the magic fueling him gets rid of the chunk of shell in his head. But, hey, since getting him sky-bound was way down on the list of prep stuff you weren't actually allowed to do during prep, he's still stuck on the ground.

So, now that your magician is dead before having the chance to do anything effective, and your other guys are either dead or distracted by stones in their brains, your whole plan is basically out the window. By the time Black Bolt gets there, carrying Witchfire, Kyle will be distracted by having his ring teleported off of his hand and into the ground (assuming, of crouse, you can prove the rock tot he brain wouldn't kill him). Even if he can retrieve it, Spartan can just keep repeating the action before Kyle has a chance to use it. BB's arrival will signal Spartan that it's time to fall back behind him, after yet again teleporting Kyle's ring off of his hand. BB unleashes his best scream, while Witchfire attacks in some manner that KVD will cover in her first post.

So, Kyle is now dead and Juggy is now floating through space. If that's not good enough for an elimination, Spartan can simply teleport Juggs to the edge of the battlefield, wait for him to run back, and then teleport him away again.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Reiteration of the rules:

1. Prep = 15 minutes, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.

2. The only thing combatants can have "operational" coming into the fight is generic shielding. Thus, an offensive or other maneuver must begin after the fight has started. No creating 10,000 illusions/constructs/etc. during prep or anything like that.

3. If you don't know the rules, read them! The first person to make 7 battle-related posts on Day 1, then complain to me will be flogged....or at least get a PM from me with a " " smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.

4. Observers are asked to NOT post in this thread unless it is a question directly related to the battle.

5. Keep anything extraneous in the discussion thread. Please help me keep this battle as efficient as possible.

6. Judges: wait a while to vote. And post your vote, possibly with a (brief) explanation. Don't vote in the poll Observers: Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd encourage you to wait as well.

7. Help me out with all of this. If something needs edited out, let me know...I can't catch everything.

According to the tournament rules, only generic shielding is allowed upon the commencing of combat. Therefore, only the shielding aspect of the BW/Newjak prep post will be taken into account.

Originally posted by illadelph12




According to the tournament rules, only generic shielding is allowed upon the commencing of combat. Therefore, only the shielding aspect of the BW/Newjak prep post will be taken into account.

Correct. Thanks for noticing that. Once the battle starts however, any of that toher stuff could potentially happen.

No prob.

I just hope either B-Dub or Newjak realizes that before it's too late.

Originally posted by Khellendros The Battle -

The instant they appear on the battlefield, Spartan raises stealth fields that render him invisible to both the naked eye and technological detection.

This makes no sense seeing as the way we CAN detect him is through his spirit and he cant hide from magic can he?? Did I forget to mention their Daxamites???? Generally better in everything than Superman plus they can lend/or TAKE speed so by the time Spartan tries to teleport a Daxamite will already be in his face taking him apart or Shaman simply removes his Spirit which ever comes first.
Please show him being resistant to magic. Didnt think so...



Actually I hate to tell you this most of our stuff is well legal under circumstances my friend. As said by Digi the only thing Operational that can used on the during prep is shields. Most of our stuff isn't activated but is ready to be activated as soon as the battle begins.
The flying wind spirit can be summoned to shield Juggernaut as a sphere. He gets told by Shaman that he can fly with it also if he wants to. Once the battle starts he can fly

As well our super computer brains are legal. Why? Here let me tell you, because it in the end counts as mind manipulation which connects us by amplifying our brain. Which your team did as well, through telepathy, so if mind communication and advancement isn't allowed them well lets just say that BB can't really communicate with your team during prep at all



Wow. He teleported some parts of her body. Real impressive. When you show a scan of him teleporting pieces of the GROUND and stick them precisely into someones brain (who all happen to be going at superspeed thanks to the Daxamites giving everyone on my team speed)...then we can talk

And well if you want to play that game then well let's just say that Shaman can do the very same thing and has shown greater control over teleporting people great distances if we can in fact teleport the other team and pieces of the battle field then Shaman can teleport your whole team into the turtle Shell cutting them in half before Spartan can do that to part of our team so if you want to go that route then we win by default as Shaman does the same fast thanks to his Computer Brain and takes out everyone of your team sorry (this is IF Spartan is still even around to party thanks to our magical attack on him )

Here is Shaman doing exactly what he can do teleporting notice how he teleports everyone instantly over great distances without having to see where he is going. Since he knows where Spartan is at all times (thanks to his spirit) and one of the Daxcamites can tell him where everyone else is well Shaman teleports everyone into he Shell cutting them in half.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...t_v1_088_03.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight18-09.jpg

He can teleport up to ten or so people. Thats nothing considering you are just three and he doesnt even need to look at where they are teleporting
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v..._05_rougher.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v..._12_rougher.jpg



Yet again sorry. the fact that
A) Your precious spartan is either a husk of metal since he no longer has his spirit
B) or torn apart by a Daxamite or
C) teleported himself into the turtle



Thats if Spartan even has a chance since the Daxamites are on him fast and since the both of them are faster than superman himself its dubious to say that Spartan can be doing all this "teleporting" your so fond of. Ill let BW handle all the kyle stuff, but I can tell you that your fight is gonna be hard against him



Of course non of this true so it doesn't matter. How does it feel Khell being beaten at your own game hmm?? So yes teleporting things into people should be banned because I haven't even gotten into he fact that the Daxamites things as well so we have Shaman who can teleport,

Plus beyond all that, your team is STILL mute since all it takes is some powder being thrown for it to be effective. Black Bolt and Witchfire cant do jack squat now.

To cover most of it, our prep other than Shamans cellular change is still active. The Daxamites are instantly created while Shaman mutes everyone on the opposing team. I have yet to see Spartan be able to teleport the ground. Or being resistant to magical attacks

Black Bolt once mute can do jack and the same applies to Witchfire.

Newjak, I thought your character was Juggernaut? Your post seems more based on the abilities of Kyle Rayner who is B-Dubs character. Shaman is the team character. Blair Wind should be making the Green Lantern argument, so a majority of your last post, including all of the points you made regarding Green Lantern, are 'stricken from the record', per se.

Also, you might want to look at the 2 prior posts by myself and Digi. All of the constructs and spells cast during prep were nullified. Such actions must be done during battle. You can only come into combat with generic shielding functioning. All the GL Rings and Daxamites aren't on the field at the commencement of battle, they must be created during combat, not before.

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Post Count:

Khells: 1/9
KVD: 0/9
Newjak: 1/9
B-Dub: 0/9

Blair asked to respond to Ill's questions...it won't count toward his 9 and he'll just be clarifying, not arguing.

Digi just told me this wouldnt be counted as an official post:

Most of his arguement was the Daxamites (who Digi said he could talk about) and Shaman.

We saw the posts Ill. The constructs were made during the battle as were the spells he talked about. Hope that clears everything up and Im waiting for the right time to use my 9 posts....

BW out...

For clarification of my stance:

The Daxamites created by GL (Blair Wind) are a GL ability, meaning they can only be argued by Blair Wind, as he has to state that Kyle created them.

The fact that he created them with free will is a moot point, they are still Green Lantern Constructs. The Daxamites originate from Kyle's Ring and are a GL ability meaning that only Blair Wind can argue their actions, not newjak.

Newjak is free to argue Shaman's actions, the actions of any constructs Shaman creates, and Juggernaut's actions.

Blair Wind is free to argue Shaman's actions, the actions of any constructs Shaman creates, and Green Lantern's actions, as well as the actions of any of GL's constructs.

Whether they have independent will or not, they are still Green Lantern Constructs, and Green Lantern is not the team character, Shaman is.

Non official post
Your drawing to much of a line of what can and cant be talked about....
You might think of that in your descision by Digi said it was ok, and them being independent, they no longer follow only Kyles instructions

But im done with the issue, so if Khell or KVD could post something battle related we would really appreciate it...

They are GL Constructs. The fact they have independent thought doesn't change that fact. They are a GL ability and a GL argument, meaning your argument B-Dub.

I'm not changing my stance. Sorry.

Originally posted by illadelph12


They are GL Constructs. The fact they have independent thought doesn't change that fact. They are a GL ability and a GL argument, meaning your argument B-Dub.

I'm not changing my stance. Sorry.
Non Offical Post just corrections
Well if its just your stance then ok it can't be edited out then just because a Judge deems wrong as long as it isn't breaking a rule which even Digi told me he had no problem with it. Not trying to be pud just making sure we get everything we can have.

Anyway here are your scans Khell
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_088_03.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-09.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/avengers_v1_322_05_rougher.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/avengers_v1_322_12_rougher.jpg
Hopefully they work this time

Originally posted by illadelph12


They are GL Constructs. The fact they have independent thought doesn't change that fact. They are a GL ability and a GL argument, meaning your argument B-Dub.

I'm not changing my stance. Sorry.

Seconded.

Also, when posting scans, if possible (which it is) could you all use Imageshack .... a lot of the photobucket (and other image sites) links aren't working for me... so i would assume they aren't working for other people as well

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Blair/newjak's opening strategy.

...

PREP:
Ok folks here goes our first lesson on GL knowledge. A GL ring CAN DO ANYTHING. If you dont believe me, who will you believe? Batman? http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg107nr.jpg
Thank you Batman. It can do anything you think it can do. Now that we are done with that little bit of information, we can get on with the show.

My team has been assembled: Shaman, Juggernaught, and Kyle Rayner. Knowing they are about to face of in battle, they begin to prepare for the worst in the time they are given. Kyle, wanting to maximize the efforts of everyone, commands the ring to give his team supercomputer type brains (they can now think, react, and act at superspeed). Think the Midnighter. Think seeing everything in slow motion. Got that picture? Good

Next GL makes personal shields for himself and Shaman and instructs the ring to not let anything IN, but to let things out. And making a couple of shields is nothing to Kyle:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glonemillion153wm.jpg He did that with no strain whatsoever.

Now to maximize the potiental of our teams efficiancy Shaman begins to protect us with magic. We got your standard magic shields big enough to cover the whole team but he just makes it for him and Kyle:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_004.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_005.jpg

He also protects the forcefield with a powder that makes anyone pound or try to break it see their greatest fears, their personal phobias (while protecting his team from the magic):
Phobia Manipulation ( Alpha Flight #12) This attack doesn't attack the body, but the mind bringing forth the person's phobias. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/AlphaFlight12-27.jpg

Shaman then secures that shield with multiple layers of shields around him and Kyle. There is not enough space for a person to fit between layers, but they are big enough to be seen.

With all these shields, you can never be too certain. So Kyle does the unthinkable and gives Shaman superpowers. Yes I said superpowers. As in his own physical superpowers! Dont think it can be done? Kyle once gave himself telekinisis when he couldnt use the ring (or else he would be caught and arrested/killed on the planet *as you can see because they detected the energy spike before he even got on the planet that was him changing himself) So before he got there he gave himself the powers and changes his apperance. The change:
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern173p027ju.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern173p036bq.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern173p048fj.jpg

The power:
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=169fd.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=175fg.jpg

Seeing as it was cellular change that he did (as told by Abin Sur later on), he simply modifies what he did to give Shaman the basic Superman set of powers (Superstrength, Extreme durability, Super Speed, plus a healing factor)

One little problem that we will soon modify is that Juggernaut cannot fly. Shaman talks to the Wind Spirit and asks it to let Juggernaut fly and to follow his commands. So we get Juggs with wind control (that can be used offensively and to fly)
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight36-19.jpg
and http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/A_Flight8/AlphaFlight69-23.jpg
They can be as fast as http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight37-06.jpg

While this is all taking place, Juggernaut has activated his own personal forcefield and is just itching to hit something.

With all this done Kyle takes a moment says his oath, recharges his ring and prepares to battle.

The last thing my team does is get together and (juggs takes his helmet off for this) have Kyle implant in their minds something that will make them all bloodthirsty, fighting all out without remorse (use your imagination as to what those reasons are *ie Shamans daughter has been captured* ).
Proof that the ring can work on the mind in different ways:
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glanternv305819rougher1ma.jpg

Now Juggernaut, Shaman, and Kyle are ready to rumble.

To be honest, if we can't charge up Magneto in our opening prep strategy, then I don't think they should be able to do all of this. Sorry Blair/newjak, it just doesn't seem fair.

Dude....we went over it already. Look at Newjaks post

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dude....we went over it already. Look at Newjaks post

Which one?

opening post was mine.....newjaks actual post. As stated the only thing not allowed was the Shaman turning into "supershaman"

and please, can I ask everyone to stop? This is me and newjak VS Khell and KVD. Im tired of having to talk to you guys (no offense)

Digimark, please delete Batdude's posts as well as this one.

Originally posted by illadelph12


Newjak, I thought your character was Juggernaut? Your post seems more based on the abilities of Kyle Rayner who is B-Dubs character. Shaman is the team character. Blair Wind should be making the Green Lantern argument, so a majority of your last post, including all of the points you made regarding Green Lantern, are 'stricken from the record', per se.

Also, you might want to look at the 2 prior posts by myself and Digi. All of the constructs and spells cast during prep were nullified. Such actions must be done during battle. You can only come into combat with generic shielding functioning. All the GL Rings and Daxamites aren't on the field at the commencement of battle, they must be created during combat, not before.

Newjak shouldn't be able to argue for anything involving Rayner (Blair's character)....construct-related things are included in that. There was a misunderstanding earlier, and my ruling didn't come across clearly.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Digimark, please delete Batdude's posts as well as this one.

I can't actually delete other peoples' posts. I can edit them down to basically nothing, but not remove them.

I think we have this figured out now (and I apologize for the time and confusion...I've been trying my best):

A. Newjak can't argue for construct-related things. That's Blair's territory.
B. Nothing but passive shields during prep are allowed. All other arguments can be enacted once the battle starts, but should not be taken into account during prep.
C. The construct situation seemed rectified, and is legal. The constructs, while independant, are bound to Kyle's will...and thus would die along with him if that were to happen. Anyone questioning this should realize that GLs very power is to create constructs, and we placed a limit on independent constructs to prevent any possible cheap tactics.

Good enough for me....now if only Khell or KVD would post something so I can unleash an unholy horror on tem

Can you edit it down then?

Khell already mentioned how the team prepped for the battle so I won't go over it again. The only thing that I'll add is because of Witchfire's telepathy, she'd be able to sense the opposing team right at the start or even before, and seeing as the entire opposing team is encased in magical shields, Witchfire is easily able to keep track of them right even before the fight starts (within the rules because it's a 'sense', like hearing). The immediate moment that the battle begins, Witchfire focuses on Shaman and telepathically blasts him at full force, and as you'll read on her bio, her telepathy is amplified to an unknown level, most likely because of her demonic heritage. So, even before Shaman's used any powders or give Juggernaut flight, or anything else the other team is planning to do right at the start of the fight, Shaman is out of the picture.

How much concentrating do you think Kyle will be doing once he sees a brain-dead partner next to him? A moment after that mental blast, Spartan teleports off to do his thing, Witchfire summons five of the largest and most powerful demons she can and sends them off to create a distraction for the other team. By the time Kyle and Juggernaut know what's happening, they have demons piling on top of them. Shortly after that, Blackbolt and Witchfire arrive on the battle scene. Upon seeing a glowing ring on the ground, Witchfire uses her telekinesis to bring it to her. Blackbolt then releases a scream. The suddenly-human Kyle is disintegrated, and Juggernaut is blasted by a combination of the scream and Witchfire's telepathy.

I believe these two paragraphs have countered your initial post.

Originally posted by newjak86
This makes no sense seeing as the way we CAN detect him is through his spirit and he cant hide from magic can he??
Actually, no, he can't. But Blair is going by outdated info, there. First, Spartan never had Yon Kohl's actual soul/spirit, just his personality/memories. His spirit remained in his body, where it merged with Kaizen's mind. Second, in his most recent body, Spartan was forced to give up all but a few key memories from his time as Hadrian, the rest of his personality was deleted to free up computer power to run his upgrades. Now, there is only Jack Marlowe, and nothing remains of Yon Kohl.

Originally posted by newjak86
This makes no sense seeing as the way we CAN detect him is through his spirit and he cant hide from magic can he?? Did I forget to mention their Daxamites????
Yeah, about those. Those constructs Kyle made, first of all, were made to represent different aspects of his psyche. So he won't just be tossing up a ton of Daxamites. Second, he made them SUBCONSCIOUSLY. Prove to me, I dare you, that he could repeat this feat at will. Ever. Because, hey, why wouldn't you want a spare Daxamite or speedster backing you up whenever you went into battle?

Originally posted by newjak86
Wow. He teleported some parts of her body. Real impressive. When you show a scan of him teleporting pieces of the GROUND and stick them precisely into someones brain
What, you want precise teleporting? How about walking into an apartmen he's never seen before, and not only rearranging the rooms and cleaning up the trash, but repairing the damaged wall/counter, all at once?
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4935/teleportingrepair18yo.jpg
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2488/teleportingrepair26pw.jpg
That precise enough for you?

Originally posted by newjak86
Here is Shaman doing exactly what he can do teleporting notice how he teleports everyone instantly over great distances without having to see where he is going. Since he knows where Spartan is at all times (thanks to his spirit) and one of the Daxcamites can tell him where everyone else is well Shaman teleports everyone into he Shell cutting them in half.

He can teleport up to ten or so people. Thats nothing considering you are just three and he doesnt even need to look at where they are teleporting
Oh, hey, that's great. Couple problems. First, in every instance you posted, he was right nex to him. Second, each time, he has to reach into his pouch. NOT ONLY can Spartan teleport just by willing it so, he doesn't even have to know precisely where you are. Wanna see?
Teleporting a guy out of a moving van, now ay he could've known where he was:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8182/clairvoyantporting13bf.jpg

'Porting a guy out of his hotel room and into the same room as himself. Shows some nice precision, since the guy didn't end up with his legs in the floor.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8305/clairvoyantporting1a5fb.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4551/clairvoyantporting1b8ze.jpg

Oh, and here he is 'porting 5-6 people simultaneously, from different areas. More than enough to destroy your team.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6092/clairvoyantporting36ku.jpg

How does he do that? Well, as the filenames suggest, that would fall under the "Clairvoyant" section of that Void link


Originally posted by newjak86
Plus beyond all that, your team is STILL mute since all it takes is some powder being thrown for it to be effective. Black Bolt and Witchfire cant do jack squat now.
First, show him muting someone. Cause, Black Bolt doesn't need to SPEAK speak to use his scream. Second, out of ALL the powers Witchfire can bring to bear, only one of them actually requires speech

Post Count:

Khells: 2/9
KVD: 1/9
Newjak: 1/9
B-Dub: 0/9

Originally posted by illadelph12
Can you edit it down then?

Already edited newjak's post that talked about GL stuff. If there's anything else that needs neutered, lemme know.

Funny. Not happening. Telepathy? Sorry but thats not gonna work. Here is another GL who is under Kyle blocking telepathy from Fernus (who is decidedly better at telepathy)
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fernusvsjla2h7bv.jpg
And I did say that Shaman was protected by GL didnt I? So we move on.

Ummm demons? I thought that we had agreed on no demons by Witchfire but seeing as I have independent constructs (who ARE under the limit) Ill have to wait on judgement from Mungi as to if they are too powerful for the tourny of not. But I doubt they are fast.
And we like fast dont we Newjak? Daxamites can go pretty damn fast. Heres proof: http://ollien.free.fr/BD/leg1b.jpg
Now to go that speed in the middle of a sentence and suddenly be out of orbit hmmmmm, I do by chance happen to think they could cross the turtle shell before your guys even notice

Dude, a GL ring did. It was Kyle way back when. He knows about it and now he more fully understands how to do things with it. I dont need to prove that Kyle can do it, he ALREADY has

Personally I like this attack for Spartan, since he is a a PURELY cybernetic body http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2488/teleportingrepair26pw.jpg we can just rewrite his programming and have him kill himself
Kyle Vs Amazo 2000. This version of the Amazo had the powers of nearly every superhero on Earth. The JSA, JLA, Marvel family, Strange Visitor, Firestorm, etc.
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p336gb.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p348nw.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p359ov.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p368nd.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p370nr.jpg
So yes, we can just rewrite his programming (considering we have more than one GL on the field). Sorry seems spartans not good for much
He gets torn apart by
A) Any GL
B) Any Daxamite (who are ALSO GLs) who gets his hands on him or
C) Through magical means

Are we still on the damn teleporting? A gl ring can do the same:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/101bed38.jpg
Get over it.

Now Shaman has made the whole opposing team mute through his magical pouch remember that? Good. I dont need to show 100% proof from a pouch that can pull out anything he damn wants sorry your not winning that argument. Black Bolt doesnt need to whisper to make the scream? Speak? So he can mimic the effects of the scream through his electron control WITHOUT opening his mouth and using his vocal cords?? Didnt think so. Besides with the GLs there I can just convert his powers from electron control and make all his big scary powers produce light. Sorta how Kyle made this guys physical efforts turn to sound
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla006142wu.jpg
Anyways Shaman has been given speed by the other Daxamites (who have speedblitzed your whole team)
Black Bolt suddenly has to deal with two Daxamite characters with a GL ring and the the ring can scan Black Bolt and realize his powers. They just change the polarity because BB just separates the molecular bonds of matter (electron interaction; ie, magnetic bonds). The ring can counter this by using a positive charge (protons) to stabilize the effect (stabilizing the polarity and negating the separation). They should be done fairly quickly (he passes out when the tuning fork gets knocked off) and come to the aid of the others. Spartan is off with Kyle and another Daxamite kicking the crap outa him, and Witchfire has "he who shall not be named because it is Newjaks character" and two Daxamites on her. I sincerely doubt you can cope with the magnitude of the situation. I have the speed advantage, I have the power advantage, the strength advantage, and the versatility advantage.

Also just to show how powerful a GLs shields are check this out:
Kyle makes a prison for the CSA and holds them for over a day. Ultraman (evil Superman) tries for hours to break it and fails. Kyle kept this up while attending to other business on Earth. Not even their version of Green Lantern could break it.
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20441wd.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20452yu.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20525fm.jpg
http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20538vf.jpg

AND any magical attack from Witchfire (if she even manages to pull on off considering she got Speedblitzed) could be absorbed by a GL
http://img452.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern110p177jy.jpg

And this scan says all I have to say: http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight124-11.jpg

And about the demons are they constructs or actual living breathing things that will be around after Wicthfire dies or are they simply teleported in??

To explain in brief: Telepathy is a non factor in this fight. Black Bolts powers can ALL be countered with either Magic or a GL ring. Spartan can be either magically attacked, his computer programming can be re written, or the Daxamites can tear him apart. Witchfire gets her head ripped off by any of the strong men in the my team, and Shaman is busy annoying the hell out of everyone with magic. We win

Face it Khell your trying to to hard to make this a one dimensional match where you try to say your one attack kills everyone on our team. When in fact it is just one attack and we have described a number of ways to take your guy down(one them being the same your trying to use against us). Your gonna have to bring something new Khell because we have you beat with this we're just too versatile in taking any of your guys down in a number ways faster then you could take us down. I think we win if you want to continue this.

Khells: 2/9
KVD: 1/9
Newjak: 1/9
B-Dub: 1/9

Question:

I think Khells has a valid point.

Outside of the subconscious manifestations during the Oblivion arc, has Kyle ever created his independant GL/Daxamite hybrids through conscious force of will?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Already edited newjak's post that talked about GL stuff. If there's anything else that needs neutered, lemme know.

Batdude's post with the quote should be chopped too Digi.

Non official post:

A Gl Ring can literally do anything and everything. Since this act has already taken place its already been proven to be possible. Kyle has MUCH greater control of his ring now and being that he did it without even trying, or noticing and it took no willpower it seems at all, just the desire to do it he was able to do it. Just imagine now him trying. Sorry Khell, but its happened. Move on with life and get over it

besides that he once created a construct of himself DURING a fight (with Sarkur (sp?) a God) and while he was hiding it fought and died. It spoke of its own free will. So its not only a one time thing

Do you have a scan of this "Sarkur" occurance? You can use an unofficial response to provide it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Personally I like this attack for Spartan, since he is a a PURELY cybernetic body we can just rewrite his programming and have him kill himself
Oooh, hey, good idea. Wait, sorry, what's this? Oh, this is a scan of a chick who's bonded with an alien techno-organic symbiote and whose power is to control any machine/computer she comes across. Let's see how that works out.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2425/vsmotherone8wc.jpg
See, he's a BIOSYNTHETIC android. He's neither purely mechanical or purely alive, which makes him immune to telepathy and hacking attempts. And that was an older, MUCH less advanced model. The first version that appeared in comics, in fact.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Are we still on the damn teleporting? A gl ring can do the same:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/101bed38.jpg
Get over it.
DUDE. What the hell is wrong with you? That's Hal Jordan. Digi said you could use them, but he didn't also said that doesn't mean anyone would buy that. You still have yet to prove KYLE can do that.

Also, there's another problem with that. See, your entire team is only human level in reaction times. Now, Spartan's mind is so fast that he can process info streaming into his brain at light speed.
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/5303/lightspeedmind8wq.jpg

And Black Bolt? Well, he's good enough to knock around an enraged Gladiator (this is after being tortured by Ronan, btw).
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=eaae1_lilandra4.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=9eff9_lilandra5.jpg
http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=9058f_fourv3.jpg
So, if those ridiculous Daxamites, which you can't even bring into battle, or any other constructs get near Witchfire or Black Bolt, it's simple for him to blast them away with his scream.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now Shaman has made the whole opposing team mute through his magical pouch remember that? Good. I dont need to show 100% proof from a pouch that can pull out anything he damn wants
The HELL you don't have to prove it. This was decided long ago, you can't just make up bullsh*t like that, you ahve to present scans or issue numbers to prove it's possible.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Speak? So he can mimic the effects of the scream through his electron control WITHOUT opening his mouth and using his vocal cords??
Dude. You really don't know anything about Black Bolt, do you? The scream originates from the speech centers in his BRAIN, not his voice box.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Black Bolt suddenly has to deal with two Daxamite characters with a GL ring and the the ring can scan Black Bolt and realize his powers.
Well, since you haven't proven that you can MAKE these Daxamites, period, I'm not too worried.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The ring can counter this by using a positive charge (protons) to stabilize the effect (stabilizing the polarity and negating the separation).
So, changing the polarity? Sorry scooter, BB can already do that at will.
http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=dc084_hulki4.jpg
You change the polarity of anything, he'll just change it right back.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
AND any magical attack from Witchfire (if she even manages to pull on off considering she got Speedblitzed) could be absorbed by a GL
http://img452.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern110p177jy.jpg
Wtf? That doesn't SHOW anything. Just shows Jade combining her power with her father. All the proves is that ONE magic user chose to lend power to A DIFFERENT gl.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
And this scan says all I have to say: http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight124-11.jpg
Oh yeah? Well, let me let Mungi speak for me:

I think he knows a BIT more about her than you do.



So, we have two easily superhumanly fast characters. You have three very human speed characters. Now, you say Kyle can give you all super speed, but you're also saying hes going to counter Black Bolt's powers. OH, and he's also going to whip up five Daxamites, which you can't prove he can do. Oh, and he's also going to try and FAIL to reprogram Spartan. Ohhh, and he's also going to try and counter Witchfire. My my, someone's forgetting that your boy is just human. In the meantime, all Spartan has to do is teleport something into the brains of Shaman and Kyle, like he did with all the debris/furniture here.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4935/teleportingrepair18yo.jpg

Or teleport their arms off, like he did here.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3838/teleportingbodyparts4nj.jpg

Or teleport Kyle's ring off of his hand and Shaman's pouch off his waist, like he took the gun out of this assassin's hand.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6761/teleportingassassin11uz.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9784/teleportingassassin20cd.jpg

And that leaves Black Bolt to SCREAM at them, when a whisper is enough to knock out Gladiator.
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=dc07d_praetor1.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=b768f_praetor2.jpg

Or the Hulk.
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a8c39_vrshulk4.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7332/image67fs2ca.gif
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8900/image75hi2ry.gif

Or destroy a barrier not even Skrull-made nukes could crack.
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e3f1e_dome2.jpg

Face it, boys. I've got all the speed, and all the offensive power. You've got Kyle trying to do half a dozen things at once, all in the time it'd take Spartan to remove him from this fight permanently... oh, and you have Juggernaut.

Blair, you're trying to use Alan Scott feats also?

Unofficial:
No no...that was a Jade feat. She used her ring to absorb his magical energy. I dont need it, but its there

Plus I wouldnt use Alan feats seeing as they are magical in nature and slightly different than a GL ring

Khells: 3/9
KVD: 1/9
Newjak: 1/9
B-Dub: 1/9

To make things much easier let me reiterate our points

During my prep:
I created lots of shields (which would fall under general shielding yes?)
If anyone tries to hit one of our sheilds they will have to deal with the phobia protection I covered it in
I asked the wind spirit to protect Juggernaut as a shield. Shaman could tell him that during the battle he would be able to fly if he so wished. Other than that, my defenses are nigh impenetrable.

Now for the battle:
Kyle begins by quickly creating the five Daxamite Gls (who can give/take speed, and have computer type brains) He does this in an instant, much like he created another life like construct against Sarkus during a fight
Kyle Rayner vs. Sarkus, a god of the planet Galtea- also created a construct of himself which made Sarkus think he was fighting the real one
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=105rf.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image= 110aj.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=165xy.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=175xq.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=185cy.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image= 199fo.jpg
He talks, he fights, he flies, he dies, he is all green then hes not all green and there was no energy trail to see seeing as these Daxamites are in the greatest sense of the word still constructs they too can be made...

Again these constructs have speed and can give/take speed:
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glas18nastynat8ph.jpg
(this was adam strange she just gave some speed too):
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2greenlanterncircleoffire02123.jpg
Superspeed:http://ollien.free.fr/BD/leg1b.jpg
Once this has happened and Shaman has made the opposing team mute by a magical spell (reaching into a pouch where he can pull off anything he damn well pleases) we proceed to kick your ass

How we handle Spartan:


Hmmm interesting. However, didnt you yourself give a bio that stated that body was completely obliterated and they made a cyborg body with a disc of memories? Therefore NOT being biosynthetic any longer? Meaning he is now purely Cyborg? So if you could please get a scan of the spartan you are using for this battle doing the same thing then I can leave it alone
It still doesnt change the fact that Kyle still beat on Amazo 700 who had almost every superpower in the world
and gasp he used mutiple constructs who beat the crap outa him. Same things gonna happen to Spartan
Kyle Vs Amazo 2000. This version of the Amazo had the powers of nearly every superhero on Earth. The JSA, JLA, Marvel family, Strange Visitor, Firestorm, etc.
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p336gb.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p348nw.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p359ov.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p368nd.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p370nr.jpg

Now unless you prove that this Spartan is similarly immune, this attack would make him incapable of attacking any of us. One of my Daxamites has targeted him, and has proceeded to kick his ass in this manner with Kyle himself there to do the aforementioned feat. With superior power outage we would be able to kick his butt. Also the GL ring has its own defense capabilities and will not let something fatal happen to the GL. It protects his whole entire body.

Besides that, when has Spartan ever taken pieces from the ground and implanted them into someones head?

How we deal with Black Bolt:


What about Black Bolt? He has a major weakness with that antennae of his
As shown when hit or broken, it causes him terrible pain.
Thor vs Black Bolt:
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=b354a_verthor6.jpg

Here we have Invisible Woman placing a bubble around his head DURING a scream and making him pass out.
Invisible Woman vs Black Bolt:
http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a4aeb_team7.jpg
http://img135.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=800f8_team8.jpg

Now we call all safely assume that GL is MUCH more powerful than IW right?
We have two of the Daxamites come and while Shaman does this to him with the turtle shell wrapping around him.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-18.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-19.jpg
they can make a vacuum around his head. You remember the vacuum technique Im sure Khell. I used it on you last time as well.

Simply put he can just put him in a soundproof amorphous construct that has no air in it. How long does it take for a person to pass out from a total vacuum? If I remember correctly from the last tournament it was about 15 seconds isnt that right Khell?

How we deal with Witchfire:

We have two superfast Daxamites on her like white on rice. Heat vision, kinetic energy drain, frost breath, a green energy vacuum surrounding her head until she passes out and then well....that one guy I cant talk about does what ever my partner says he does



and you keep ignoring the fact that I have 6 GLs

And how ARE you going to counter my constructs? Just a bunch of constructs made by ALL the GLs sorta like Kyle beat Amazo?
Sorta like this: (five different scans not related to eachother)
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternv3136103dc.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern1999114140ua.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern124p181qc.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternv3178076jw.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternthenewcorps01131gw.jpg

ROOKIE Kyle KOing Mongul
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern199453179su.jpg

or holding them all in shields like this:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glonemillion153wm.jpg

which as you can see not even evil superman can break (nor can their version of GL)
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20441wd.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20452yu.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20525fm.jpg
http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20538vf.jpg

Your forgetting also that the Daxamites I made can steal speed. Hmmmm where did that really fast Black Bolt go?

Sorry, my ringS kicks your butt

In brief: Spartan gets taken apart by both a Daxamite who is his physical equal and his energy manipulating superior, and one of the best GLs in the business. Teleporting can only take you so far and as he says himself he is not omnipotent http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2488/teleportingrepair26pw.jpg.
Black Bolt gets hit by a green lantern missile to the head and/or gets a bubble put around his head that creates a vacuum.) Wichfire gets physically overpowered by the Daxamites and by Juggernaut. Our energy projection helps things move along nicely. Simply put? We have more options that you do. Period

OR an alternative solution to ALL of this can be done very quickly. The moment Kyle creates his Daxamites they (like transmuting elements and such) all mix two hygrogen atoms with one helium atom and create an H-Bomb
http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternv3135052wj.jpg
Your average nuclear bomb, the fission bomb goes off at below a ton to around 400 kilotons(if u really throw in a lot of material). the average nuclear bomb is at only 5 kilotons.
h-bombs are expected to go off at 4-5 megatons Can anyone one on your team deal with that kind of an explosion (add 5 more explosions like that)? Because all the Gls can and can protect my team, case in point fight after the fusion all the GLs can make a shield like this: http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2173pg144bd.jpg However the reverse, keeping them shielded from the blast.

Having trouble with a lot of your scans. Can you please repost them? It won't count against your post quota.

Side note:

Why doesn't this site have it's own image hosting?

They should be working fine now

If not tell me which ones...

Actually, you never said you were telepathically shielded. You only said . A generic 'shield' doesn't protect from telepathy. So, unless you want to backtrack and say that you have mental shields for Shaman, he's getting taken out right at the start, which means everything else in my original post happens. (To my knowledge, it's not the physical GL forcefield that protects from mental attacks) As for Witchy's level of power, likely because of her demonic heritage, she has an "unreal level of magic". I'd venture to say that this level of power dwarfs Fernus'.

For argument's sake, let's say that Shaman was able to get that 'mute spell' off. Two courses of action can be taken. Let's start with one that requires a little effort. Now, do you think someone who can be used as an instrument to become supreme being doesn't have anything to dispel such a basic incantation? It'll be: Shaman casts a mute spell. Witchfire easily dispels it then uses her telekinesis to paralyze Shaman. It's a magical force directly affecting his limbs, so any shielding is useless. So, as it stands either way, mute or not, Shaman is KO'd 0.5 seconds into the fight. Now, in this hyphothetical scenario, how concentrated would Kyle be seeing his teammate paralyzed and being swallowed into the turtle shell (molecular manipulation)? Now for the easier way, Shaman casts a mute spell. Witchfire waves her hand and discorprates Shaman's head into nothingness (matter manipulation), senses Kyle and she does the same thing to the ring.

Again, if you look at my original post, Witchy summoned five demons, exactly the same number that Kyle is trying to create. If you want to take the summoning ability out of the picture, it's okay but do it for both sides. However, these demons are just distractions for the Juggernaut; and Kyle will be just a regular human, after getting his ring teleported off his hand.

Khells: 3/9
KVD: 2/9
Newjak: 1/9
B-Dub: 2/9

Juggernaut is ready to let his presence be known now.

First though I'm gonna recap what the prep has done for him. The Wind Spirits were summoned as a shield for him so he can fly as soon as the battle starts. He also was given a computer brain as well as given focus so that his sole desire is to work with the other people to beat the enemy. (and if this isnt allowed then neither is Telepathy during prep )

Now once he gets on the field he is protected by his shield and he quickly scans the battle field. Now once Kyle makes his Daxamites, the team and the Daxamites tell him where to go since they already locked unto BB and Witchfire and they send him off.

As shown in the scans the wind spirits allow Cain to travel 1000s of miles in seconds and with the Daxamite lending him speed he is gonna get to the other team fast.

Now one might say that BB will yell his lungs out at Jugg's if they even have time to counter. Well just to let you know as shown Cain has already taken Thor's Godblast and that didn't hurt him in the least bit. BB's scream is at the most on par with Thor's Blast but probably below it. (and Juggs has THE best durability in the tournament) There are two big differences between these two encounters though. One is that Cain has alot more momentum right now and BB's scream lacks the mystical nature of Thor's attack so Cain will probably fly right through it. At worst he slows down some. That is of course if BB actually does scream. As stated in BW's post the Daxamites are effecting BB's powers so cain is more likely to get through without slowing down.

Now let me tell you something right now I've gone over your prep and Khell's. One thing I noticed the entire time you guys never mention putting a shield up for Witchfire which means either she doesn't have one or you forgot to put one up either way that is a really bad mistake. As shown earlier she is far from being super durable. Guess what this means that an oncoming, relentless Juggernaut flies straight in to her ripping........Rippping....let me say it one more time for effect RIPPING and tearing her head clean off her shoulders and I don't mean a punch I mean he is literally going to grab her head and remove it from her body. Not many people can come back from that.

After that Cain will turn to take BB on as stated by Khell BB has managed to go toe to toe with Hulk and Glads big note here though none of BB's attacks are going to work on Cain. Even still as BW posted Daxamites are attacking and nullifing BB's powers which means Juggernaut is simply going to give Black Bolt the same Haircut Style he gave Witchfire. After that he returns to help out with the other guy but he finds that it has already been taken care off. Juggs is sad because this wasn't even a half decent fight.



This almost seems like a waste of a post KVD

First off you show no proof of anything Witchfire can actually do just seemingly post some bio stuff for her which is fine but now we don't have an actual power level for anything she does. And you mention her Ultimate form having unlimited power for telepathy which that actually appears beside alot of things but we don't have anything to judge for these claims we can't place her beyond anything which means quite frankly this is useless.



Umm KVD if her telepathy was greater than Fernus she would be banned since he was banned
Matter Manip used against other teams is also illegal
So half your post is basically not even usable.

Also you keep bringing up these Demons but we have no idea what these demons are capable of, if they are over the legal limit or well under. What kind of powers do they have or even if their legal at all. I mean the only reason BW can have those constructs is because if Kyle dies they go with him. If Witchfire dies would the demons leave as well or are they simply teleported unto the battlefield and can fight long after Witchfire is gone?

We need more details about these powers before any of them can be seen as Valid.


Oh and by the way....you can take all this post and just pretend Juggs got sent Solo to crash into Witchfire. Why? Because once the H-Bombs go off the big explosion coming at your team and him, consuming him, he sees everyone around him on your team destroyed and he laughs at how such a weak attack kills you when he is barely getting tanned.

That's not allowed either.

Per tournament rules, the only thing allowed to be activated/performed during prep is generic shielding. Juggernaut (and/or Shaman) can not be modified to have a computer like brain until the commencement of battle, and that must be addressed by the poster that can grant the ability.

Telepathic observation of your opponent is also not allowed during prep. In the "prep time" the opposing teams are not accessible to the eachother. They are only accessible on the battlefield. You can share character knowledge/experience and devise plans, but no offensive tactics, including tactical reconnaissance (which this psychic scanning would fall under), is allowed during prep.

Nothing can happen before the onset of battle save putting on a generic shield and devising your plan.

Non Official Post:

Ok. So long as telepathic bonding during prep is outlawed as well

Direct application of matter manipulation/transmutation to your opponent is banned. You can, however, effect elements of the battlefield.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Non Official Post:

Ok. So long as telepathic bonding during prep is outlawed as well

The only thing allowed during prep is devising a plan and putting on your shield. Anything else, including a telepathic link to track your teammates, must be implemented after the commencement of battle.

The telepathic link is voided.

Originally posted by illadelph12




The only thing allowed during prep is devising a plan and putting on your shield. Anything else, including a telepathic link to track your teammates, must be implemented after the commencement of battle.

The telepathic link is voided. Non Offical Post: Correction Ill we are not scanning for the team just making sure everyone on our team is fighting to the best ability by giving a mental command making them fight to the best of their ability not tracking the other team sorry Ill you misread. The computer brains also help with prep by helping to give and understand plans faster.

Originally posted by newjak86
Non Offical Post: Correction Ill we are not scanning for the team just making sure everyone on our team is fighting to the best ability by giving a mental command making them fight to the best of their ability not tracking the other team sorry Ill you misread. The computer brains also help with prep by helping to give and understand plans faster.

So long as it's after the beginning of the fight.

Nothing other than devising a plan and raising generic shielding can take place before the beginning of combat. That goes for psychically bloodlusting your teammates for battle, speeding up their reaction speed and computatiev abilities, or psychically scanning to see who your opponents are.

Nothing but a plan and a shield is allowed before the word "Go".

From that point on, you can do whatever you want within the rules.

-Voters Official point-

One minor thing..... Constructs (to some degree) are ok, but calling for outside help isn't.... so there should be no summoning of demons by Witchfire and no asking for help from spirits by Shaman

Just thought i'd throw that in there

-End of Voters Official Point-
_________________________

-Non Official Point-

All magical spell-casters suck donkey ballzz!

-End of Non Official Point-

Cosign on magic casters sucking the big one

edited at ill's request.

It's totally different than a GLs powerset or The Surfer's cosmic powers

GLs don't have to ask permission every-time they perform a feat using their powers, In fact if they did then Hal would never have been able to kill other GLs, absorb the central battery and destroy the Guardians... they would've just said "no"

Likewise, Surfer can use his power for anything he wants, whenever he wants

Summoning Demons is the act of bringing in additional players for your team.... he may as well be magically calling for Dr Strange to come help him out....they aren't created and they aren't reliant on the summoners consciousness to exist

Asking for help from spirits is practically the same thing, getting help from extra characters... only this time it's characters outside the battlefield

...

Originally posted by illadelph12
I see no reason to diminish Witchfire's offense simply because you think magic user's "suck donkey ballzz".

Wow... you managed to bypass all the actual points i made and went straight to one offhand comment that has no actual meaning here... well done

She can create all the demons she wants (well... up to 5 anyway) but summoning pre-existing creatures to the battlefield is against the rules

Originally posted by Scoobless
Wow... you managed to bypass all the actual points i made and went straight to one offhand comment that has no actual meaning here... well done

She can create all the demons she wants (well... up to 5 anyway) but summoning pre-existing creatures to the battlefield is against the rules


I'm sort of agreeing with Scoobless on it being outside help.

And my vote goes to Illadelph...no Scoob...no wait a min....lemme think on that...

wait dammit neither of you are in the debate

i was beginning to wonder if i was in the right thread too, bw . . .

digi, do you think we can get a "judges pissing contest" thread started . . .?



it's all that scotsman's fault . . .

ps--bw, i think digi eliminated non-official posts. sorry bro, but the above is gonna count . . .

edited at Ill's request

Originally posted by leonidas
ps--bw, i think digi eliminated non-official posts. sorry bro, but the above is gonna count . . .

I didn't eliminate them...I just got angry with them. Let's cut it out, and quick looking for 'loophole-type' ways of getting around the post limit. Deal with questions and concerns in your 9 posts, or don't deal with them at all.

I've also asked that the peanut gallery be silenced a bit (i.e. whoever isn't in the match). Questions and rule-clarifications are one thing, but anything that could be construed as an argument should not come from observers...judges included.

What we have here is fine. Going back to edit a bunch of it would be to eliminate potentially valid discussion. But I'd like it to stop as well.

So the main bulk of Blair's initial prep-post is not counted and most of my rebuttal is not allowed?

Originally posted by K Von Doom
So the main bulk of Blair's initial prep-post is not counted and most of my rebuttal is not allowed? No what he is saying is it is up to us the debators to get the judges to think that they are legal KVD least that is what I think I could be wrong I don't want to put words in Digi's mouth.

But your post could count if you argue well enough you can do everything you said same thing for me and B-Dubs prep post

For the Judges Benifit:

Khells: 3/9
KVD: 2/9
Newjak: 2/9
B-Dub: 2/9

oops, think that makes THREE posts for you, bw . . .

Before I get to my post, let me just clear something up for anyone reading this, who might just glaze over this point otherwise.
The only thing either team is allowed to do during prep is plan, and form shields. This means no summoning spirits, granting super powers, speeding up your brains, making these supposed independent constructs, etc. Digi himself -the man running this tourney- has said this several times.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hmmm interesting. However, didnt you yourself give a bio that stated that body was completely obliterated and they made a cyborg body with a disc of memories? Therefore NOT being biosynthetic any longer? Meaning he is now purely Cyborg?
He's biosynthetic, that doesn't mean that he can't interact with normal machines, including reading info off a disc. The fact is, he's demonstrably immune to both telepathy and hacking attempts.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
It still doesnt change the fact that Kyle still beat on Amazo 700 who had almost every superpower in the world
and gasp he used mutiple constructs who beat the crap outa him. Same things gonna happen to Spartan
That Amazo demonstrated nothing in your scans but heatvision and superspeed. And, no matter how powerful, he was STILL just a machine. Spartan is not just a machine, and has already proven immune to that kind of reprogramming:
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2425/vsmotherone8wc.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Also the GL ring has its own defense capabilities and will not let something fatal happen to the GL. It protects his whole entire body.
Kinda hard when he's not WEARING the ring, ain't it?
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1185/572batgl22nl.jpg
If Batman can snag his ring, a teleporter on the level of Spartan can do so EASILY. And once the ring is off, it's a simple matter to blast Kyle to dust with a bio-blast.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Besides that, when has Spartan ever taken pieces from the ground and implanted them into someones head?
I've shown him teleporting someone's limbs off. I've shown him teleporting enough debris to cover a living room floor. What's so hard about believing he can't just materialize something in one's head? But, fine, there's still the fact that he can teleport Kyle and Shaman's arms off, or steal their weapons.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
What about Black Bolt? He has a major weakness with that antennae of his
As shown when hit or broken, it causes him terrible pain.

Pfft. In that pained and delusional state, after Thor hit him, he was still able to take out the Inhuman royal family (he sees them as Skrulls), the Human Torch, and one-shot NAMOR:
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=34611_feedback1.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1753/vsin26zf8jw.jpg <--(shows he can still use his powers without the antenna)
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1772/vsin34qi4dq.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1489/vsin49fm2sb.jpg
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1985/vsin55ex3hj.jpg
http://img135.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=9fce3_team4.jpg
http://img25.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=541e2_team5.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=51acf_team6.jpg
He even had enough sense to fake being knocked out, and send everyone flying.
http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a4aeb_team7.jpg

And besides, when he fought Thor he was being controlled, and not really using any of his powers very well, except for one blast at the beginning. In THIS fight, Black Bolt has his strongest defensive shield up, and is not holding back the voice. Your little constructs will get atomized.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Here we have Invisible Woman placing a bubble around his head DURING a scream and making him pass out.
Invisible Woman vs Black Bolt
Yeah, and she barely could manage it, and it took her powers almost to their limit. The BB in this fight is healthy, uninjured, at full strength and in full control of his own mind.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now we call all safely assume that GL is MUCH more powerful than IW right?
Uhh, not in shields, no. This is the chick who's protected a group of people from DOOM with the power of a fuggin Watcher, and then later protected them fromt he explosion when Black Bolt overloaded WatcherDoom's power storage unit (yes,the same one that easily stored the Watcher's full power).

Originally posted by Blair Wind
We have two of the Daxamites come and while Shaman does this to him with the turtle shell wrapping around him.
HA! Please. A bunch of turtle shell is not going to stand up to his matter manipulation. He can just turn it to putty: http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e429b_mandadro.jpg

Or melt it, like he does here, after EASILY beating the Sphinx, who had just beaten down the Inhuman royal family, the FF, and Quicksilver:
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1959/vssphinx19mx5xl.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/9337/vssphinx25qz3no.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/872/vssphinx31pn6im.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/3307/vssphinx32pn9bi.jpg
Also shows the power of his electron blasts, when he sends that fool through the hull of his ship and flying a lightyear or more.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
they can make a vacuum around his head. You remember the vacuum technique Im sure Khell.
Vacuum around his head? Like what one experiences while in...space?
http://img144.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=d7041_graviton12.jpg
- (somewhere between the Earth and Sun)

http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=baa7f_atom9.jpg
http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=89d40_atom12.jpg
- (above the surface of the moon)
Sorry, scooter, keep trying.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Simply put he can just put him in a soundproof amorphous construct that has no air in it. How long does it take for a person to pass out from a total vacuum? If I remember correctly from the last tournament it was about 15 seconds
Sorry again. Soundproofng won't work either. He's used the voice in space above Attilan (when it was on the moon) as well.
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3366/blackbolttrikon7ly3ca.jpg

And he can survive in the void of space easily, to the point that he can bring OTHERS along and keep them alive as well.
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=0d19d_protectt.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=df0fe_protectt2.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
OR an alternative solution to ALL of this can be done very quickly. The moment Kyle creates his Daxamites they all mix two hygrogen atoms with one helium atom and create an H-Bomb
h-bombs are expected to go off at 4-5 megatons Can anyone one on your team deal with that kind of an explosion
Well, considering the fact that BB and Spartan can survive in space, and that BB can put create a field around Witchfire to let her survive in space, yes, they can. The nanosecond Spartan senses a nuclear reaction taking place, it's a simple matter to teleport his team out of range. But, since Kyle has been dead since this fight started thanks to Spartan, that won't be happening.

--

Originally posted by newjak86
Now one might say that BB will yell his lungs out at Jugg's if they even have time to counter. Well just to let you know as shown Cain has already taken Thor's Godblast and that didn't hurt him in the least bit.
Pfft. Why scream right at Cain when it's simple to obliterate the ground he's standing on? Since none of that crap you wanted to do in prep actually happened, he won't be flying anywhere.

Or, hey, why not just destroy his helmet, which is the least durable part of his costume (Dazzler at normal power has cut through it) and command Juggy to sleep, like BB did with his top tier telepath brother, Maximus?
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9375/ment9bn8gm.jpg

Originally posted by newjak86
After that Cain will turn to take BB on as stated by Khell BB has managed to go toe to toe with Hulk and Glads big note here though none of BB's attacks are going to work on Cain.
HA! I'd liek to know why you're under that impression. The Hulk has knocked Cain around. Hell, Nimrod knocked him the f*ck out. Black Bolt can easily effect Juggs, by taking out his helmet and then using his own version of telepathy to put Cain down. Like how he put Maximus to sleep (up above).

Or how he breaks the psychic link between an extremely powerful boy and the constructs he was controlling.
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8080/mind26to1kn.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1509/mind2fu5xm.jpg

Originally posted by newjak86
Even still as BW posted Daxamites are attacking and nullifing BB's powers
Yeah. Right. Oh, wait. The Daxamites that were never created because A) Kyle can't and B) Kyle will have been neutralized from the onset of this shindig by Spartan.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
For the Judges Benifit:

Khells: 3/9
KVD: 2/9
Newjak: 2/9
B-Dub: 2/9

You damn suck up!

Your posts are getting more and more pathetic.

To Clear things up

During prep I CAN make general shields, and having the wind spirit act a shield towards Juggernaut. I havent argued the SuperShaman in a while, so please get over it Plus the constructs where made the instant the battle started...


Spartan

Please show a scan of the new Spartan being immune to it as well. All I ask.
How are you going to be fighting my constructs? Please tell me? Multiple Constructs all at once from every side.
scans needed again?
This again is Kyle who created a construct (the kyle in this scan is a construct, so its not Kyle its Jokerized Kyle):
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScanbmhj.jpg
or this (just imaging like 50 of those)
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kylevssentinel25or.jpg
or maybe just simple like this:
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p359ov.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p368nd.jpg
Hell I could just electrocute you all:
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternv2055pg081hw.jpg


Why you do I care if you teleport the ring?
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScan-4.jpg
Kyle doesnt need to be wearing it for it to work.
The rings auto shields, and intelligence wouldnt let that happen
Also: The ring can stay in contact with its wielder at distances of at least twenty light years. John Stewart ordered his ring to that distance when he contemplated suicide. The distraught Green Lantern thought the ring could not prevent mortal injury from that distance.

Plus Kyle (jokerized) can teleport (and induce fear):
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScanery.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScanvbn.jpg

and what does Batman say about the GL?:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScanbmhj.jpg


Black Bolt

IW is nothing to GL.
a universe destroying blast, the new big bang was held by Kyle: http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2173pg144bd.jpg
Holding a Black Hole type Bind:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=187ox.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=191ip.jpg
A supernova:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg135uj.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg144ze.jpg
Breaks an Armada:
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlagodsandmonsterspg637im.jpg

Black Bolts strongest scream is likened to a nuke....thats nothing. Sorry but Black Bolts main offense is crap in this fight
GL does the same thing that IW did in the fight and he goes bye bye. Or think of it this way, the GL makes a construct around his head, vacuum less, and squeezes with spikes going inward.


Your whole team
And yet again none of your team can stand the blast of a Hydrogen Bomb the moment it goes off, all of your characters die.
http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanternv3135052wj.jpg
Lets put it this way, GL can be in the sun (and how many Hydrogen bombs is that I wonder....a whole hell of a lot)
Every time one Hydrogen Bomb Goes off I have another five to deal with shielding. Or I can have five spread out, targeted hydrogen bombs go off or one big concentrated one. The explosion is immediate. How many times are you gonna teleport away? you gonna BRF yourself

Or I can just do the ultimate hydrogen bomb:
A Gl ring can create a sun:
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern142027ze.jpg
and again shown through one of his constructs gone bad:
http://img289.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlanterncircleoffire295hi.jpg
That would be Kyle Darker Half who he himself created (just like he created the jokerized Kyle, the Kyle that fought Sarkus and the Daxamites): http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2greenlanterncircleoffire02216.jpg
And they merged to become one. So tell me he cant just create a sun and have it go off in a supernova: http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dccomics1m4pg107nr.jpg
You know that kind of attack kinda leaves you....dead. I think you would blowup

Overall
My tanker can fly, and he solos towards your characters. My characters (all Daxamites *I think I have proven that he can make lifelike constructs enough? vs Sarkus, when he was Jokerized and left the construct to wreak havok, the daxamites and Oblivion* ) make a bunch of H-Bombs, and away you go. Or I create a supernova and you blow up and go bye bye. Or I make constructs and fight you all....damn....so many options to be able to kick the crap outa your team
Hell we could have Shaman use his calming light on your team to make you not want to fight us, and then we H-Bomb you

So basically? We win. Resistance is futile

Just wanted to make sure my teams stances where clear. I noticed that my posts can be confused to make you think that we are going one on one with Khells team or choosing a different method of attack with the Hydrogen bomb. So this post should hopefully clear that up.

To begin my team consists of Kyle Rayner, Shaman, and Juggernaut. One is like a god, one is a powerful magician, and one cannot be harmed through ANY physical force. Please compare to a cyborg, a inhuman, and some witch. My character being Kyle Rayner is a Green Lantern, a person with a ring so powerful it can do anything that he THINKS it can do. Period. A magician who can pull anything he wants from his pouch. Period. And a guy who can not be hurt, ever. Period.

Khells Team

My individual posts about Khells team members were to demonstrate that I could take his team one on one and with multiple strategies. Spartan could be taken out by multiple contructs, Black Bolts scream wouldnt make a difference, and Witchfire cant do anything without a head.

However

My teams strategy, which Khell cant really defend against is: The instant the battle starts Shaman teleports the flying Juggernaut into enemy territory.
Newjak can take it from there for him. For my part Kyle has INSTANTLY (just like he made the construct in the battle with Sarkus) made the Daxamites and together they each make two hydrogen atoms mixed with one helium atom. And KABOOM. Actually lets make it more interesting. Hydrogen and helium are estimated to make up roughly 80% and 20% of all the matter in the universe respectively. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known universe; helium is second. I could take a helium atom and mix it with two hydrogen atoms on your clothes. How are you gonna defend against that? Once the mixture happens, even if you teleport the atoms would STILL be on your body. Your characters have no defense against this type of attack, and cant stand up to the 4-5 megatons of force that I would be dispensing on your team.

If you so choose to teleport away from us in the first place lets notice the speed of my Daxamites: http://ollien.free.fr/BD/leg1b.jpg
I think anyone here can agree that Superman himself would be a problem for your team to handle. Now just imagine him with a Green Lantern ring. Any where you go I can go and make you go KABLOOM. H-Bombs are more than you can handle and you cant run away forever. All of my characters can teleport as well (besides Juggernaut of course), and the ring can pick up any energy trail that Black Bolt gives off. You teleport and we can ALWAYS find you.

But almost all this is null considering that once we teleport Juggernaut into your side of the turtle, and while Spartan does his long range recon (thats what you said right?) we H-Bomb your whole team (considering that 6 of my characters can H-Bomb you.) And since it IS on your clothes you will be dying.

So to cover in brief: You die. Checkmate. Resistance is futile.

edit

OK let me tell you exactly what BB can and can not do to Cain.

First off let me tell you how Khell has BB taking Jugg's down. He has him removing his helmet then attacking Jugg's mind with TP attacks. First off let me say this as soon as he says BB is going to destroy the helmet you should know that it won't work. While it is possible to remove his helmet it isn't the easiest thing to destroy. Plus he does have a skull cap underneath the helmet

Of course even the fact it can be removed is moot because Cain has his shield up. Let me tell you guys some big secret Cain's helmet isn't getting taken off by BB with the shield up why because Jugg's has already taken Thor's Godforce Blast head on as shown and guess what there wasn't even a scratch to Cain or his helmet poitn voided. Plus the shields are momentum stealers (as shown with Thors hammer being thrown at him)

Secondly Khell believes that BB hanging with Hulk and Glads means that he will be able to take Juggs. Let me tell you something hanging Toe to Toe with someone is very different from beating someone. Especially when already shown that Thor has put a hurtin on BB already. What do we know about Juggs that he doesn't just hang with these guys physically he can actually beat them. After all as shown he has already manhandled and KOed Thor before. He once almost beat the Hulk to death.

So yeah what is it BB can do to Cain again Nothing. None of BB's attacks will hurt Cain but I bet Cain will be able to hurt and KO BB. Which after KOed BB is not going to have a head on his shoulders.

Just recap how this is going to play out. As stated Jugg is flying and Shaman is going to teleport Cain to your team. Afterwards since your team won't know Cain is coming he simply is going to go for the weaker person first (Witchfire) and give her one big headache. Before BB can stop him and basically destroy BB afterwards.

As well even if BB happens to spot him somehow BB can yell all he wants it isn't greater than Thor's attack and one key difference that BB's attack also lacks the msytical nature of Thor's so Cain is coming right through and simply repeat what happens above.

Just so you know I'm not making anything up
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2424/invulnerablegj2.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=juggshit1ni.jpg

Sorry Khell that 2/3 of your team, already gone. Unless the H-Bombs kill them first.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Please show a scan of the new Spartan being immune to it as well. All I ask.
Imune to being taken over/reprogrammed? Uhh, okay, but I've already posted it twice. Guess third time's the charm.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2425/vsmotherone8wc.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
How are you going to be fighting my constructs? Please tell me? Multiple Constructs all at once from every side.
scans needed again?
How are you going to make constructs with your ring taken off? If Batman can do it, my clairvoyant teleporter can.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1185/572batgl22nl.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Why you do I care if you teleport the ring?
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScan-4.jpg
Kyle doesnt need to be wearing it for it to work.
Uhh, is that even Kyle? That's some guy with circuitry in his leg. And, if they got him in that machine, that means he couldn't use his ring right off the bat. A split-second is all I need to blow your head off with a bioblast.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The rings auto shields, and intelligence wouldnt let that happen
And yet, they couldn't even stop Batman.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
John Stewart ordered his ring to that distance when he contemplated suicide.
Yet again, John IS NOT KYLE. Example is invalid.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and what does Batman say about the GL?:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/LastScanbmhj.jpg
And what does he do to the GL:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1185/572batgl22nl.jpg


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Black Bolts strongest scream is likened to a nuke....thats nothing. Sorry but Black Bolts main offense is crap in this fight
See, that's one of your problems. You cling WAY too hard to bios. Black Bolt's voice has shifted a continent. It's brought down indestructible barriers, and taken out top tier guys. It is FAR FAR stronger than any normal nuke. It takes out guys who would crack a GL's constructs like they were made of plaster.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
And yet again none of your team can stand the blast of a Hydrogen Bomb the moment it goes off, all of your characters die.
Actually, Spartan can. He's got durability on par with Majestic, and a greater resistance to energy. Also, wanan see a nifty thing Black Bolt can do? He can slow downt he rate of explosions/implosions. Wanna see? http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5125/energyimplosionpm5.jpg
So, not only can Spartan teleport them out of range, Black Bolt can slow down the nuclear reaction, allowing him to get away on his own (with Witchfire, of course)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Every time one Hydrogen Bomb Goes off I have another five to deal with shielding.
Yeah, that's good. You just keep nuking the land out from under your feet. Meanwhile, Spartan, who is cloaked from all detection:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1029/stealth17po.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8973/stealth27tq.jpg

Teleports Kyle's ring arm off, like so:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3838/teleportingbodyparts4nj.jpg

Which renders your constructs and matter manip inert.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Or I can just do the ultimate hydrogen bomb:
A Gl ring can create a sun:
Black Bolt can contain and neutralize MULTIPLE (13 by my count) black holes:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3711/vsgraviton03jp5.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1049/vsgraviton04ov2.jpg
Wanan know an interesting fact? In JLA 77, Superman nearly lost his hands containing ONE microscopic black hole. Just to give you an idea of the power Black Bolt is wielding there.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
To begin my team consists of Kyle Rayner, Shaman, and Juggernaut. One is like a god, one is a powerful magician, and one cannot be harmed through ANY physical force. Please compare to a cyborg, a inhuman, and some witch.
A clairvoyant, teleporting cyborg, who's one of TWO people to actually beat Majestic in a hth fight. An inhuman who is the msot powerful of all. Hercules states that the Inhumans have power not dreamed of even on Olympus:
http://img144.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=th_ef909_hercules.jpg
And Black Bolt is the most powerful of all, like a "necessary god":
http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=eded8_neverrrr.jpg
Oh, and Witchfire was intended to be a weapon to be used against The Goddess herself. So, my team isn't short on impressive crap that can be said about them.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
My teams strategy, which Khell cant really defend against is: The instant the battle starts Shaman teleports the flying Juggernaut into enemy territory.
Andint he next instant, Spartan teleports his bag off his hip, along with Kyle's ring, and blows them both away. Meanwhile, Black Bolt and Witchfire remove Juggy's helmet and take him down with their own versions of telepathy. And that's all that really needs to be said.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I could take a helium atom and mix it with two hydrogen atoms on your clothes. How are you gonna defend against that?
Don't have to. Matter manip used directly against the other team is against the rules. Durh.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
snip
I was gonna quote and respond to the rest of your post, but it's just redundant crap, and I'm sick of going round in circles.

Originally posted by newjak86
First off let me tell you how Khell has BB taking Jugg's down. He has him removing his helmet then attacking Jugg's mind with TP attacks. First off let me say this as soon as he says BB is going to destroy the helmet you should know that it won't work.
Um why not? Freakin' DAZZLER has cut through his helmet, and with no powerups. I think Black Botl can find some way to remove it and his skullcap. A scream would obliterate them both.

Originally posted by newjak86
Of course even the fact it can be removed is moot because Cain has his shield up. Let me tell you guys some big secret Cain's helmet isn't getting taken off by BB with the shield up why because Jugg's has already taken Thor's Godforce Blast head on as shown and guess what there wasn't even a scratch to Cain or his helmet poitn voided.
And yet, Hulk has been able to effect Juggernaut numerous times, with his shield up. Sorry, you can't point to the one good showing and then ignore all the bad ones. Nimrod flat out smacked Juggy's helmet off his head. Hulk has made his punches felt when fighting Juggs. Dazzler has sliced his helmet off.

Originally posted by newjak86
Secondly Khell believes that BB hanging with Hulk and Glads means that he will be able to take Juggs.
Uhh, when did I EVER say that? Not once did I have BB taking on Juggy in a slugfest, because that would be retarded. This whole time, my strategy has been about either keeping knocking out the shell under Jugg's feet, leaving him in space, teleporting him away repeatedly, thus neutralizing him as a threat, or usng TP against him.

Originally posted by newjak86
So yeah what is it BB can do to Cain again Nothing. None of BB's attacks will hurt Cain but I bet Cain will be able to hurt and KO BB.
Even if his attacks don't hurt Juggs, Black Bolt can still destroy the shell under his feet, and leave him drifting in space.

Originally posted by newjak86
As stated Jugg is flying and Shaman is going to teleport Cain to your team.
Actually, Juggs ISN'T flying, since you can't summon spirits to help you during prep. And since Blair just said that Shaman immediately teleported him in, this is regular Juggy with no enhancements. WHOOOPS.

Originally posted by newjak86
As well even if BB happens to spot him somehow BB can yell all he wants it isn't greater than Thor's attack and one key difference that BB's attack also lacks the msytical nature of Thor's so Cain is coming right through and simply repeat what happens above.
Actually, I've heard people say that Cain is actually STRONGER against mystical attacks than normal ones. Fact is, Nimrod smacked Cain around and knocked him out with a nervous system attack. Black Bolt canknock Juggy's helmet off and knock him out with TP, or just leave him in space, where he can't fight anyone.

Okay. Judges/readers, my next post will just be me making a case for the two characters I control, so this isn't my last post.

Okay. Now, we talk about my team. First, Spartan.

If you notice, BW and newjak have posted no defense against his teleportation. No effort to stop what he can do before it happens. Because they know they can't.

Spartan can teleport something as precise as the burning tip off a cigarette:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9837/teleportingcigarette8yd.jpg

He can also teleport dozens of things at once, even going so far as to right turned over furniture and repair damaged wall/counter:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4935/teleportingrepair18yo.jpg
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2488/teleportingrepair26pw.jpg

And, of course, he can simply teleport parts of one's bodyparts off:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3838/teleportingbodyparts4nj.jpg

Then, there's the fact that he's clairvoyant. I quote this bio: http://www.msu.edu/user/winnmich/void.htm

- He can teleport a moving target (in a van) he could not possibly have known the location of otherwise:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8182/clairvoyantporting13bf.jpg
- Does it again, teleports the guy from an unknown location to right in front of him.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8305/clairvoyantporting1a5fb.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4551/clairvoyantporting1b8ze.jpg
- Here, he senses an ally is about to die, and saves him:
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/86/clairvoyantporting4a8fz.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2050/clairvoyantporting4b6dj.jpg
- Here, he save multiple people in the same instant, right before a crazy lady clicks a detonator button and blows up a mountain:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6092/clairvoyantporting36ku.jpg

Now, BW also talks about how his constructs are going to mess Spartan up. Well, good luck with that. See, Spartan has a damage soak and self-repair/healing ability that's close to Wolverine levels.

- Here, he's flying, fighting, and transmitting while missing part of his head and an eyeball:
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8817/damagesoak19et.jpg
- Later, he's casually talking, and we see just how much of his head is missing:
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6541/damagesoak22pl.jpg
- Here, a mind-controlled teammate jams her hand through his torso:
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/2034/repairsystems16hl.jpg
- A page later, he's up and fighting again:
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/6024/repairsystems21fz.jpg
-Here, he gets shot THROUGH the shoulder and never stops the fight. The VERY NEXT PAGE, his shoulder is fully healed, including his uniform, which is a part of him.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9176/repairsystems5ca6.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4189/repairsystems6pj0.jpg

Now, these are all examples of earlier bodies. Each time spartan gets upgraded, he keeps all the capabilities of previous bodies, just with them either improved or new abilities added on. But, I don't expect anyone tot ake my word for it. So, I'll show a fight that hasn't been put in the Majestic respect thread yet. Spartan 3.0 vs Majestic. 3.0 is the shiny one, btw, and has been turned evil.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6431/vsspartan01fb9.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3073/vsspartan02rd3.jpg

Sends Majestic flying, must have been North, cause he lands ona glacier.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5629/vsspartan03aq9.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8624/vsspartan04ut3.jpg

Shows just how different the power levels of a Majestic-level being and Spartan's old bodies are:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/531/vsspartan05eh5.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6960/vsspartan06tx8.jpg

Teleports in, and whomps Maj while still materializing (draws first blood, as well):
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3475/vsspartan07cs3.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/913/vsspartan08tq0.jpg

After an intermission (during which Majestic tries talking sense into spartan), we get down to the nitty-gritty (Spartan's eyebeams damage Majesti'c suit, which survived a thermonuclear explosion earlier that same issue, while he takes no damage from laser vision):
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3088/vsspartan17gb2.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3244/vsspartan18ol9.jpg

Ouch! Dislocated jaw! Think that stops Spartan, though?
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8411/vsspartan19th6.jpg

Naah. Not even a fist throught he chest does.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2448/vsspartan20eb3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8474/vsspartan21rk4.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6681/vsspartan22zz2.jpg

There you have it folks. One of THE ONLY TIMEs you'll see Majestic beaten, and Spartan did it with a gaping hole in his chest. Oh, and by the next issue, Spartan was completely repaired. See, to beat Spartan, tearing him up won't work. He'll just heal, and keep fighting while he does so. And, with his teleportation, you could rip off both arms, and he could still fight.


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Next, we move to Black Bolt.

Now, unfortunately, every bio on the internet states that BB's voice is only around nuke-level. This is just not true in his actual appearances.
To free the Inhumans and break the truly indestructible Negative Zone Barrier, he uses his voice, which unfortunately, takes out Attiilan as a side effect:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1549/attilan1ee5.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3681/attilan2sm8.jpg

Here, he shatters a barrier that Skrull nukes were useless against. A single whispered sylable sounds like a roar to others:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3084/shieldshatteringfx6.jpg

A whisper can collapse mountains:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8666/voicemountain1nl0.jpg

Actually speaking could split the planet:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4199/voiceplanet1hk1.jpg

After being tortured by Ronan. who wants him to use his voice to assassinate someone, BB cries into the ground. On the other side of the planet, nearly a dozen volcanoes erupt, and a continent shakes:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5571/continentmovingbe4.jpg

That is far more power than any nuke, and none of those showed a full scream, which BB would use here.
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(Have to divide this post in two, apparently. End Part 1)

(Annnd, Part 2)


Now, onto the other team's strategy.

In spite of what they say, summoning spirits is not allowed during prep. So, they being this fight with shields and nothing more.

They say that, as soon as the fight starts, Kyle will be making five Daxamite constructs, each with their own ring. What he's neglected to emntion is that doing so creates a huge strain on him. Not only does it make him weak, it would eventually kill him (and he'd only created FOUR this time):
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6282/2greenlanterncircleoffire0225ui6.jpg

So, Kyle is going to waste a ton of power making these Daxamites and weaken himself to attack from Spartan. Then, when he dies, the Daxamites will disappear anyways, as BW himself admitted.

See, Kyle and his team are all simply human in thought speed. Meanwhile, Spartan is fast enough to sift through information at light speed:
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/5303/lightspeedmind8wq.jpg

So, while Kyle is trying to create these Daxamites, Spartan will be f*cking him and Shaman up with teleportation attacks, which BW and newjak have done NOTHING to prove that they can prevent. So, the GL is taken out while he struggles to make Daxamites.

But, lets say he tries to create hydrogen bombs, which Kyle himself admitted takes tremendous effort. Well, using his reaction times, Spartan can simply teleport his team clear and THEN go about destroying Kyle.

To recap: their biggest hitter is either going to try to almost kill himself creating Daxamites, or try to create nuclear explosions, which takes tremendous effort. Meanwhile, Spartan is just going to teleport his arms off from miles away.

Shaman is going to teleport Juggy into our midst, leaving him open to attacks from BB and Witchfire, who can mind-f*ck him into submission or simply knock the shell out from under him, leaving him drifting in space. The nanosecond after he does that, Spartan will just teleport his pouch miles away, and teleort a rock into his brain.

If Kyle does manage to create some less complicated constructs, none of them will be prepared for the raw power BB can unleash with a scream. And none of them will deal the kind of damage it would take to destroy Spartan, when he can simply teleport clear of them.

Shaman is almost a non-issue. In the time it taks him to reach into a pouch for spell component, Spartan could have killed him three times over.

I have the advantage in tactics: Everything I wish to do, can be done with a spoken/screamed word, or a superspeed thought. Meanwhile, they're reaching into pouches to teleport team members, and struggling to create these massive displays of power, which takes time they don't have.

As said, I have the speed advantage: In addition to Spartan, Black Bolt is fast enough to knock around an enraged Gladiator, and pluck a tank shell out of the air when fired at point blank range:
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=eaae1_lilandra4.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=9eff9_lilandra5.jpg
http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=9058f_fourv3.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6709/missilecatchqx8.jpg

My scans have proven my characters can do what I claim, while BW posts Pre-crisis scans and scans of other GLs, which Digi himself has said can be used, but that doesn't mean anyone will believe them. Instead of using simple, smarter tactics, he posts these huge feats which blatantly show GL using every bit of will on one task, and taking a huge toll.


It's all down to who you think is faster. Spartan, who can teleport instantaneously, and BB who can match Gladiator; or Kyle, who can't do any of the things BW has claimed without huge strain, and Shaman, who thinks at typical human speed, and has to dig in his pouch before casting a spell.

That's all. This is the last big post from me, though I may be around later to refute any new posts the other team makes.

Then, there's the fact that he's clairvoyant. I quote this bio: http://www.msu.edu/user/winnmich/void.htm

Sorry Khell can't use that bio to show what Spartan can do. Unless you give a scan stating that he has this power than no he doesn't. Remember that whole thing about which powers he has and which he doesn't and you said that it doesn't matter because you have scans showing it all well guess what the double edged sword is here for you. And don't give me the sacn of him telelporting someone out of the Van again all I can say is unless there is a scan of him describing this power than no he doesn't have it.



Like I said you don't have a way to do it with the shield up



Hulk has never fought cain with his shield up you see unless he states he has it on then he doesn't buddy you just can't assume he does. To my knowledge he has never fought Hulk with the shield up and since they have only met three times and I know about all them I guess he never did.

On another note Hulk has never effected Cain without the CELESTAIL TECH that Apoc gave him which your team doesn't have. The only other times they fought Cain almost killed him by beating him down. The other time was kind of even but just before Cain was about to break Hulk's neck he manages to flip Cain.

Cain then ponders if Hulk can understand that he is unbeatable and unhurtable then Xavier shows up in a car out of no where when Cain had lost his helmet. Looks like Hulk has a real good track record unless being powered up by something else he hasn't effected Cain at all.

Also about those bad showings actually you've only shown one and in Cain's bio Marvel even made it a point to say if Cain had his shield up he would have not been effected. It seems to me that one bad showing shouldn't take away all the good ones. I mean every character has their low moments.

But anyway pray tell what an attack on the nervous system is gonna do to someone whose been shown in cannon to move without organs and muscles.
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/237/mystic1yz6.jpg
One very important note about the scan above is that Cain was actually weakened when that happened so he was actually susceptable to pain at the time unlike now.



Since Juggs is flying and has his shield up he is gonna make BB fight him and there is nothing BB can do about it.



Whoops didn't we already address this it is a shield we summoned during prep just because it grants another ability doesn't make it illegal so yes it is during prep, Cain is flying, and 2/3s of your team are walking around without heads.



Actually no Cain's powers being magic in origin is normally more susceptable to mystical attacks than normal ones. Don't get me wrong just becuase something is mystical in nature doesn't mean it is the be all end all against Cain he does have a good resistance to it as well but anything lacking mystical power basically can't effect him at all.

I DID state the NEW spartan being immune right? All youve shown is a body of a cyborg that has already been destroyed. Until you can show that the newest body used is similary immune then the point of showing that scan over and over again is nulled.



One, yes that is Kyle, two he was tied up knocked out and the manhunters had him. Once he did get pissed off the ring obeyed his commands.


The ring itself wouldnt allow death to happen to the user. While I used John as an example it had nothing to do with John in that instance but with the rings protection system which the user cannot control.


When Black Bolts scream can be compared to a supernova, or the big bang....let me know



Teleportation of the users arm, yet again as you soo much choose to ignore is handled by the RING ITSELF. It wouldnt let it happen. Simple as that.

After teleporting juggs, shaman is useless in this fight. It all comes down to the fact that the ring wouldnt allow Kyles arm to be teleported off. You do know that the ring is an AI system faaaaaar more advanced than anything Spartan can hope to be.



Matter manip on your opponents yes...your clothes? no



Dude get your facts straight. He made SIX (exluding oblivion). Which all had their one shot comics, and a whole arc. By the time he started even noticing that they were causing him pain, it was almost towards the very end. He was still using his powers, and hell they had just finished fighting when that happened.


Lets make it clear.....THE RING....Would not....allow....that ....to....happen. Did I make that clear. BESIDES, if you realize my arm(s) would be matter yes? and you would be trying to manipulate it yes? so sorry but that tactic is BANNED. Shaman will have all working arms thank you very much.



he said it takes concentration.....if your trying to contain it
who said where gonna do that?



and which precrisis scan of GLs have I used? I really dont remember that one man....

I see two problems with some of your scans
One is Spartan's fight with Majestic. He was fighting ONE Superman + level character. I have 5 with gl rings to boot.
Also that you said Spartan had day to heal the whole in his chest which if it takes him a day to pull himself back together it still counts as a win.

Also we have countered your teleporting with our own teleportation AND with the fact that most of what your trying to do is matter manipulation on my team. Sorry but it cant happen. Hell even teleporting pieces of debris into there BODY (which the ring wouldnt allow by the way) is matter manipulation unto my team. So sorry but hell your whole entire teleportation strategy is nulled, banned, and sent packing home. Bye bye Khell.

Let me make this clear: MATTER MANIPULATION is banned. So sorry but all of your teleporting crap is nulled. You cant teleport any of my body off, and you can put debris in my head. Sorry.

You are the weakest link. Good bye.

How is teleporting the same as matter manipulation?

Scoobs be quit and eat your cake

Well I'm gonna list everything that has happened from Jugg's standpoint and a little bit from Shaman's.


Juggs does have his wind spirits because he is using them as a shield it just so happens he can fly with this shield as well and his personal shield as well.

Anyways feeling Witchfire's magic Shaman then teleports Cain over to them. After that Shaman really isn't important as stated 5 others will be there if anything should happen to him. Still though he will do his best to mess with anybody he can using his magic.

After Juggs is teleported around BB and Witchfire Juggs is first going to take out Witchfire by removing her head. Since he was teleported in they won't notice him which even if they do it doesn't matter. As shown before a guy named Wyre was able to hurt her and since KVD never posted her as having a shield she doesn't have one up. So it won't be hard to do because
Wyre<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< a flying Juggernaut.

Then it comes to BB Khell himself stated that BB going toe to toe with Juggs would be retarded on BBs side and then commenced this whole removing Jugg's helemt which as I've shown with the Shield up BB doesn't have the ability to remove the helmet adn Juggs is flying so BB has no way of not getting out of fist-o-cuffs with Cain sorry.

When Cain gets finished with Black Bolt as even Khell mentioned he won't last against Cain and we've shown that it is easy to beat BB by hitting his Tuning Fork, Cain will then go and help with Spartan if he needs to.

Thats about all there is to this part of the battle Blair wind has shown what the other side is going to look like I think we got it covered.

Originally posted by newjak86
Scoobs be quit and eat your cake

Be quit?



I wish i had some cake right now..... chicken2

Originally posted by Scoobless
Be quit?



I wish i had some cake right now..... chicken2 Closing arguement: Everyone I have cake and if you vote for me you will get cake or if you post funny dancing chickens whicever comes first.

Battle #4 was alot harder to vote for than #3 but I would have to give this to the L.O.C.O. They seem to have proved their points more definativly than Double K (or whatever KVD and Khellendros are calling themselves) They presented a variating front where they could act in a strong defensive way and at the same time be crushing forth with their offense. While Khells teleporting would prove a nuisence i don't think it would end the L.O.C.O.s outright like he tried to. I also wasn't especally convinced of Spartens teleporting abilities, some of the ways khell wanted to use him, like the shell brain effect didn't seem to click. I just think that the L.O.C.O.s came in with to many ways to attack that K.K. couldn't defend agenst them all.

I'm going to vote for the L.O.C.O. too. They just seemed to show a lot more offensive versatility while also having robust defenses. They also had the advantage of the addition of five Superman+ level constructs with GL rings. Demons were summoned in opposition but no substantial indication of their capabilities was given. It gave the impression of a numbers advantage. It also didn't help that KVD didn't get to post much.

Now about that cake...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I'm going to vote for the L.O.C.O. too. They just seemed to show a lot more offensive versatility while also having robust defenses. They also had the advantage of the addition of five Superman+ level constructs with GL rings. Demons were summoned in opposition but no substantial indication of their capabilities was given. It gave the impression of a numbers advantage. It also didn't help that KVD didn't get to post much.

Now about that cake... Its in the mail
Well with the Popular poll in our favor and no more posting allowed and two judge votes that means me and BW have 3/5s of the total voting allowed.

So we win

{Judge Vote}
Well I'm gonna have to go with Silent But Deadly I can't really see how they beat the other team but gosh darn it Khell put one decent fight for having no chance sorry Khell in this thread my vote only counts as one so you still loose.

Originally posted by outarddwarf

Battle #4 was alot harder to vote for than #3 but I would have to give this to the L.O.C.O. They seem to have proved their points more definativly than Double K (or whatever KVD and Khellendros are calling themselves) They presented a variating front where they could act in a strong defensive way and at the same time be crushing forth with their offense. While Khells teleporting would prove a nuisence i don't think it would end the L.O.C.O.s outright like he tried to. I also wasn't especally convinced of Spartens teleporting abilities, some of the ways khell wanted to use him, like the shell brain effect didn't seem to click. I just think that the L.O.C.O.s came in with to many ways to attack that K.K. couldn't defend agenst them all.
Validus is going to co-sign with this post and cast his vote for the L.O.C.O. Val thinks the real kicker here is the lack of participation from KVD. Val remembers her posting just a couple of times, one of which was filled with points that were outright banned such as matter manipulation on the opponents being and her demon strategy wasn't fleshed out at all unlike Blair Wind's Daxamite strategy. Blair Wind basically turned this match into Duplicate Boy: The Sequel and Khell seemed to have a hard time defending against it. He relied on Spartan's teleportation which like the other judges, I wasn't too sold on and it's effectiveness against a Lantern is doubtful anyway. Basically Val just thinks they did an all around better job debating their points.

Val talks in third person now?

Validus likes trying new things.

Kinky.

dance I come back at like 2 in the morning to read this

So it's over, funny thing is one of the main reasons everyone is stating for LOCO winning was the daxamite thing....... and i was totally unconvinced that GL would be able to do that in a split second when he's only ever managed it subconsciously before with great strain to himself ....

Not necessarily saying i voted against you, but that particular argument didn't cut it for me

hmm, scoob you ARE voting in the next round, right . . .?

Originally posted by Scoobless
So it's over, funny thing is one of the main reasons everyone is stating for LOCO winning was the daxamite thing....... and i was totally unconvinced that GL would be able to do that in a split second when he's only ever managed it subconsciously before with great strain to himself ....

Not necessarily saying i voted against you, but that particular argument didn't cut it for me Way to take the wind out of our sails Scoobs

Originally posted by Validus
Validus likes trying new things.

George likes his chicken spicy.

3 judges + the poll = teh win!

Congrats to Blair and newjak, and good luck in the next round (which will start in 1 week).

So eh.....Where are the goodies?

Originally posted by Scoobless
So it's over, funny thing is one of the main reasons everyone is stating for LOCO winning was the daxamite thing....... and i was totally unconvinced that GL would be able to do that in a split second when he's only ever managed it subconsciously before with great strain to himself ....

Not necessarily saying i voted against you, but that particular argument didn't cut it for me


really? eh you win some you lose some, but the fact that he did it with Sarkus, and with the Joker incident, plus that whole arc must show that he CAN do it

WE WON WE WON


and D, the goodies will be coming next match.....most deff.

Originally posted by Scoobless
So it's over, funny thing is one of the main reasons everyone is stating for LOCO winning was the daxamite thing....... and i was totally unconvinced that GL would be able to do that in a split second when he's only ever managed it subconsciously before with great strain to himself ....

Not necessarily saying i voted against you, but that particular argument didn't cut it for me
The scans of Amazo getting his ass ripped out was what did it for me. The strength of Kyle's constructs, independent or not, wasn't really disputed here.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, scoob you ARE voting in the next round, right . . .?

I voted in this round... in the poll... i wasn't a judge for this one... i am for the next round.... and i will be voting in that one .... so get your cheque book ready