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No prep, PIS, CIS.

No shield.

1. Unactivated Danger Room. Bloodlust.

2. New Year's Eve in Times Square. Bloodlust.

3. New Year's Eve in Times Square. In character.

cap

Originally posted by King KAM
cap For all three scenarios?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
For all three scenarios? damned right

Originally posted by King KAM
damned right Meh.. I expected nothing else from you.

I'll wait for some less biased answers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh.. I expected nothing else from you.

I'll wait for some less biased answers. Im not biased....Cap could do it....

Originally posted by King KAM
Im not biased....Cap could do it.... I'm sure he could do it... a lot of things could happen a minority or majority of times in any of the three scenarios.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm sure he could do it... a lot of things could happen a minority or majority of times in any of the three scenarios. but this thread is kinda dumb....you know..hes not wolverine....why must you stack the odds so much against him.

In a knuckle up fight, hed crush Mystique.

That's why there are three scenarios though.

They get progressively harder...

Hmm maybe Times Square is a bit much. Change #2 to a busy mall.

Cap gets beat the last two.

Oh in case it's not otherwise obvious: She has no weapons either.

Since you changed it to a busy mall I see cap winning that one.the one in times square is overkill imo,Cap would have a tough time just trying to find her.

Originally posted by Skeets
Since you changed it to a busy mall I see cap winning that one.the one in times square is overkill imo,Cap would have a tough time just trying to find her. but if she cant stab or cut him, or shoot him, she dies.

Originally posted by King KAM
but if she cant stab or cut him, or shoot him, she dies.
Mystique's a top notch assassin she'll find a way to take him out.

Originally posted by Skeets
Mystique's a top notch assassin she'll find a way to take him out. with no weapon, i dont care who she is, cap will sense her coming up on him, and she will die.

If it's in a busy mall couldn't she go and steal a weapon from a shop, a kitchen knife or a shotgun for example or even gather enough resources to make a bomb. And she could just use a bunch of people as hostages and force Capt to surrender.(In the in character fight)

Originally posted by King KAM
but if she cant stab or cut him, or shoot him, she dies. She has some measure of enhanced strength, agility and a healing factor. She's an assassin and spy who has been alive since the mid-19th Century (at least).

She can jump about 15-20 feet in the air. Kick through a steel door. Punch four grown men lifting them off the ground at the same time.

She can turn her fingers into talons and claw his eyes out. She can turn into a little girl and punch him in the nuts.

Originally posted by King KAM
with no weapon, i dont care who she is, cap will sense her coming up on him, and she will die.
with millions of people around don't think so.She'll calmly blend in with the crowd transforms into wolverine and guts Cap end of fight.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
.

She can turn into a little girl and punch him in the nuts.
forget what I posted this is much better.

Originally posted by Skeets
forget what I posted this is much better.

That is just so evil...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She has some measure of enhanced strength, agility and a healing factor. She's an assassin and spy who has been alive since the mid-19th Century (at least).

She can jump about 15-20 feet in the air. Kick through a steel door. Punch four grown men lifting them off the ground at the same time.

She can turn her fingers into talons and claw his eyes out. She can turn into a little girl and punch him in the nuts. i dont give a damn what you THINK, in a fist fight, she stands ZERO chance against Cap in a h2h, jumping 15 feet in the air, and lifting 4 men aint shit....and is there anywhere i can see her feats?

Here's one:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3695/blz193ha.th.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6756/blz208ii.th.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9784/blz219pi.th.jpghttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2701/blz222pv.th.jpg

Shows the height of the building:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7007/blz232dk.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Here's one:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3695/blz193ha.th.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6756/blz208ii.th.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9784/blz219pi.th.jpghttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2701/blz222pv.th.jpg

Shows the height of the building:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7007/blz232dk.th.jpg and this proves she can kick caps ass How????Wait..it DOESNT

Originally posted by King KAM
i dont give a damn what you THINK, in a fist fight, she stands ZERO chance against Cap in a h2h, jumping 15 feet in the air, and lifting 4 men aint shit....and is there anywhere i can see her feats?
They're in times square he doesn't stand a chance with all those people.

fanboy!!!!ermm

Originally posted by Skeets
They're in times square he doesn't stand a chance with all those people.

fanboy!!!!ermm your a fanboy too so shut your mouth.....

and if she cant use any weapons, then no she doesnt win.

Originally posted by King KAM
and this proves she can kick caps ass How????Wait..it DOESNT

I think it proves that Capt won't be able to snap her neck or kill her for that matter.(Or at least h2h he can't)

I never knew she could manipulate her shape like that. That's just wow!!

Originally posted by King KAM
your a fanboy too so shut your mouth.....

and if she cant use any weapons, then no she doesnt win.
she turns into Wolverine and stabs him simple or turn into a little girl and punch him in the nuts.He's in character he wouldn't hit the little girl.

I'm not really a fanboy I listen to logic and reason...

Originally posted by King KAM
and this proves she can kick caps ass How????Wait..it DOESNT You asked for some feats. She fell from the an explosion on the seventh floor of a building landing face first... and got right back up.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You asked for some feats. She fell from the an explosion on the seventh floor of a building landing face first... and got right back up.
Add that to her Respect thread Manjaro started..cowboy

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You asked for some feats. She fell from the an explosion on the seventh floor of a building landing face first... and got right back up. so she has a healing factor, Cap has a healing factor too, so she falls 70 feet on her face, it doesnt mean that cap Cant kill her with h2h, friggin Captain Marvel Died to cancer, and capt wont kill her, he will pummel her into submission

double post

Originally posted by Skeets
she turns into Wolverine and stabs him simple or turn into a little girl and punch him in the nuts.He's in character he wouldn't hit the little girl.

I'm not really a fanboy I listen to logic and reason... i do listen to reason but its not like anyone everyone puts him against people he cant beat, because he CAN beat mystique he has more feats than her, and if she wants to attack him she will have to come near to him, he will be on the look out, and ready for her attacks

Originally posted by King KAM
so she has a healing factor, Cap has a healing factor too, so she falls 70 feet on her face, it doesnt mean that cap Cant kill her with h2h, friggin Captain Marvel Died to cancer, and capt wont kill her, he will pummel her into submission

How does one fight something physically, when it can unravel the shape of it's body so the opposing punch does not connect? (With the passing of everyday she gets even closer to becoming Evo Horsemen Mystique.)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7720/blz053kc.th.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1331/blz077sc.th.jpghttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9527/blz089fz.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4058/blz095bs.th.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4730/blz114dz.th.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7079/mystique005p168dt.th.jpghttp://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6823/mystique005p173lb.th.jpghttp://img223.imageshack.us/img223/761/mystique005p184ms.th.jpg

Question: How many females have their own Respect Thread?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
How does one fight something physically, when it can unravel the shape of it's body so the opposing punch does not connect? (With the passing of everyday she gets even closer to becoming Evo Horsemen Mystique.) well she has to hit him doesnt she?

Originally posted by King KAM
i do listen to reason but its not like anyone everyone puts him against people he cant beat, because he CAN beat mystique he has more feats than her, and if she wants to attack him she will have to come near to him, he will be on the look out, and ready for her attacks
there's millions of people parting and screaming he's not gonna see her coming.Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Question: How many females have their own Respect Thread?
Not many Supergirl,big Barda and that's it I think.

Originally posted by King KAM
well she has to hit him doesnt she?

So she changes the end of one of her hands to a claw the rest of her body remains morphable elastic.

Originally posted by Skeets
Not many Supergirl,big Barda and that's it I think.

Hmm...wow that's shocking...no Diana, She Hulk, Sue, Jean, Storm? I was thinking of starting an Emma Frost one, I'll go find Digi.

Originally posted by King KAM
well she has to hit him doesnt she? http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9697/blz182qg.th.jpg

That's Forge's bionic hand.

with those feats you have to realize that cap literally whipes the floor with guys that look like that all the time, except he only has 2 arms and he drops like 50 of them without gettin captured.

How often does he do it as a 10 year old girl though?
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9868/mystique002p058pn.th.jpghttp://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7690/mystique002p062fp.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7927/mystique002p075sd.th.jpg

Gets shot and proceeds to backflip down multiple storeys.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4618/mystique002p081ua.th.jpghttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/374/mystique002p093rx.th.jpghttp://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6449/mystique002p108te.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How often does he do it as a 10 year old girl though?
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9868/mystique002p058pn.th.jpghttp://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7690/mystique002p062fp.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7927/mystique002p075sd.th.jpg

Gets shot and proceeds to backflip down multiple storeys.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4618/mystique002p081ua.th.jpghttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/374/mystique002p093rx.th.jpghttp://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6449/mystique002p108te.th.jpg well cap doesnt really get hit because he actually DODGES his bullets, so he doesnt have that problem, and yes, cap flips out of buildings allllllllll the time like its nothing.

Originally posted by King KAM
with those feats you have to realize that cap literally whipes the floor with guys that look like that all the time, except he only has 2 arms and he drops like 50 of them without gettin captured.

Doesn't he usually have an nigh unbreakable shield with him to help him dodge bullets and break stuff.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Doesn't he usually have an nigh unbreakable shield with him to help him dodge bullets and break stuff.(That helps) Does tend to help doesn't it?
Originally posted by King KAM
well cap doesnt really get hit because he actually DODGES his bullets, so he doesnt have that problem, and yes, cap flips out of buildings allllllllll the time like its nothing.
She also dodges bullets... without the aid of a shield... see the helicopter sequence.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Doesn't he usually have an nigh unbreakable shield with him to help him dodge bullets and break stuff. consdiering the shield normally isnt in caps hand.... not really, Cap dont need the sheild, its is just an extension, its not why he thrashes guys by the boatloand.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Doesn't he usually have an nigh unbreakable shield with him to help him dodge bullets and break stuff. consdiering the shield normally isnt in caps hand.... not really, Cap dont need the sheild, its is just an extension, its not why he thrashes guys by the boatload.

She can jump at least about 15 feet or so into the air under her own strength... carrying sharp, pointy things.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5346/blz031mu.th.jpg

She can make her own sharp, pointy things.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6475/mystique07044wr.th.jpghttp://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9233/mystique07065vr.th.jpg

Originally posted by King KAM
consdiering the shield normally isnt in caps hand.... not really, Cap dont need the sheild, its is just an extension, its not why he thrashes guys by the boatload.

However throwing a shield like that at a group of human soldiers does tend to speed up the process. And when he does have it in his hand ie Civil War it does help to block bullets when it really counts.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
However throwing a shield like that at a group of human soldiers does tend to speed up the process. And when he does have it in his hand ie Civil War it does help to block bullets when it really counts. yeah but he blocks the bullets not because he has the shield he blocks them because he can see the bullets as they come out the barrell he can dodge but blockin is easier. and yes cap can jump like 20 feet in the air.

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah but he blocks the bullets not because he has the shield he blocks them because he can see the bullets as they come out the barrell he can dodge but blockin is easier. and yes cap can jump like 20 feet in the air. A peak human can not... or at least should not be able to jump 20 feet into the air...

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah but he blocks the bullets not because he has the shield he blocks them because he can see the bullets as they come out the barrell he can dodge but blockin is easier.

Exactly and that's the point I was trying to make, if you give Mystique a shield like that it'd make life(Dodging bullets) much easier.
And throwing a shield like that at a group of Human Soldiers does help to take out hordes of enemies.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6104/mystique12pyratedcp079rc.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A peak human can not... or at least should not be able to jump 20 feet into the air... i hate it when people constantly say a peak human shouldnt be able to......DUH we know this, but Cap still does it, he is obviously super-human.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Exactly and that's the point I was trying to make, if you give Mystique a shield like that it'd make life(Dodging bullets) much easier.
And throwing a shield like that at a group of Human Soldiers does help to take out hordes of enemies. she didnt dodge she flipped out a window.

Originally posted by King KAM
she didnt dodge she flipped out a window.

She dodged the Vulcan Gatling Gun from a Helicopter.(Which does happen to work faster then a normal machine gun)

If she place the shield in front of her abdomen and flipped out she would have blocked the bullets. Not that it makes a difference as her healing factor will take care of her wounds.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She dodged the Vulcan Gatling Gun from a Helicopter.(Which does happen to work faster then a normal machine gun)

If she place the shield in front of her abdomen and flipped out she would have blocked the bullets. Not that it makes a difference as her healing factor will take care of her wounds. yeah, cap doesnt need to run from torpedos, he just catches em in the air, and throw em.

Originally posted by King KAM
i hate it when people constantly say a peak human shouldnt be able to......DUH we know this, but Cap still does it, he is obviously super-human. He's not superhuman though... that's his schtick... he's a the peak of human physicality without being superhuman...

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah, cap doesnt need to run from torpedos, he just catches em in the air, and throw em.

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah, cap doesnt need to run from torpedos, he just catches em in the air, and throw em.

No lol, not the torpedo scan, the scan where's she's dodging the bullets of a Gatling Gun from the helicopter.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4730/blz114dz.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's not superhuman though... that's his schtick... he's a the peak of human physicality without being superhuman... well originally superman
coould only leap tall buildings in a single bound, was more powerful than a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet.....now he can lift what he pleases and flies.

and yes he catches torpedos....its awesome with his bare hands.

Originally posted by King KAM
well originally superman
coould only leap tall buildings in a single bound, was more powerful than a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet.....now he can lift what he pleases and flies.

and yes he catches torpedos....its awesome with his bare hands.

Well Supermans alien heritage and the prolonged exposure to certain types of light always some what explained the increase in his powers.
Capt though...well peak human doesn't necessarily scream torpedo catching.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well Supermans alien heritage and the prolonged exposure to certain types of light always some what explained the increase in his powers.
Capt though...well peak human doesn't necessarily scream torpedo catching. well technically cap took a serum that they completley never understood meaning, that they dont know his upper limits.

Originally posted by King KAM
So to clarify.. you still don't think he loses in any of the following scenarios?

1. Unactivated Danger Room. Bloodlust.

2. In a busy shopping mall. Bloodlust.

3. New Year's Eve in Times Square. Bloodlust.

4. New Year's Eve in Times Square. In character.

X good job with the scans Mystique's bad ass....droolio
Head to head Cap beats her the slight majority it'll be close.In crowded areas I don't see Cap winning,maybe in the mall but not in times square with millions.

Originally posted by Skeets
X good job with the scans Mystique's bad ass....droolio
Head to head Cap beats her the slight majority it'll be close.In crowded areas I don't see Cap winning,maybe in the mall but not in times square with millions. it would not be close head to head you just are a cap hater and never read his books and dont say you do because you have personally told me u dont like him and i know you dont buy his shit

Originally posted by King KAM
it would not be close head to head you just are a cap hater and never read his books and dont say you do because you have personally told me u dont like him and i know you dont buy his shit
who said I didn't like him I love cap i just don't read his book cause it's lack luster.Mystique's no push over she'll give him a run for his money head to head he wins the majority but it'll be close.in a crowded area he gets stomped you can't argue that.

I'd give a similar assessment. H2H she isn't as good as him, but she's no slouch... and has like a century of assassin/espionage experience. And she also has a whole lot of advantages on him.

In a mall. Well she's very resourceful.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9966/xmen174page209dv.th.jpg
It wouldn't be that hard to find a suitable weapon.

In Times Square he doesn't really have a prayer of even finding her unless she lets him.

Originally posted by Skeets
who said I didn't like him I love cap i just don't read his book cause it's lack luster.Mystique's no push over she'll give him a run for his money head to head he wins the majority but it'll be close.in a crowded area he gets stomped you can't argue that. how???explain.

And you love cap yet you dont read him, well then u dont know him too well, cap constantly dominates marvels top 10 in h2h, and yet he can barely get a majority on mystique...yeah right, **** that 1on1 he wins 10/10

Originally posted by King KAM
well technically cap took a serum that they completley never understood meaning, that they dont know his upper limits.

I suppose I could eat that up.

As for this battle I'd say Capt scrapes the majority of Scenario #1:

Scenario #1 , Mystique would give him the fight of his life. Him Wrestling with a 7 year old girl would do some damage to his psyche and reputation.

However in:

Scenario #2 there are enough resources in the mall for Mystique to take this. Gas Cylinders and matches. A Shotgun etc.

Scenario #3 Mystique takes this...too many people...it'd be a hit and run job.

Scenario #4 Mystique takes a hostage game over for Capt.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2541/mystique16134qr.th.jpghttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/205/mystique16149py.th.jpghttp://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9292/mystique16154bp.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/33/mystique16168ec.th.jpghttp://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4249/mystique16177ym.th.jpg
Crashes headfirst out of a moving car, and gets right back up. Note the ability to cling to surfaces. The prehensile tail capable of lifting a man. And the reversal of her body while in a bear hug.

Crumpling another steel door without any real effort.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2541/mystique16134qr.th.jpghttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/205/mystique16149py.th.jpghttp://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9292/mystique16154bp.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/33/mystique16168ec.th.jpghttp://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4249/mystique16177ym.th.jpg
Crashes headfirst out of a moving car, and gets right back up. Note the ability to cling to surfaces. The prehensile tail capable of lifting a man. And the reversal of her body while in a bear hug.

Crumpling another steel door without any real effort. it doesnt state what kind of metal the door is made from,and that door isnt very thick at all, cap punched through a nuclear reactor......

And all of her fighitng feats arent impressive man, we all have to look at these and realize this is a BREEZE for the Captain.

Jesus she's a beast did that guy hit her with a tree?Who are they?

Originally posted by King KAM
it doesnt state what kind of metal the door is made from,and that door isnt very thick at all, cap punched through a nuclear reactor......

And all of her fighitng feats arent impressive man, we all have to look at these and realize this is a BREEZE for the Captain.
I think she's more durable then him you gotta give her that.

Originally posted by Skeets
I think she's more durable then him you gotta give her that. nah.....cap has been used as a human wrecking ball.

Two mutants with undefined superstrength/durability. The last of the scannage that I can think of right now.

Occurs earlier.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8161/mystique15046vr.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7602/mystique15055cw.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7549/mystique15060mt.th.jpg
Get's thrown from I don't know how many storeys... but a lot... and gets right back up to kick them... there.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9430/mystique15071nj.th.jpg

Oh and I neglected to mention if she really needed to... she could sort of fly...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3975/mystique15090gr.th.jpg

Originally posted by King KAM
it doesnt state what kind of metal the door is made from,and that door isnt very thick at all, cap punched through a nuclear reactor......

And all of her fighitng feats arent impressive man, we all have to look at these and realize this is a BREEZE for the Captain. Captain America can fall from seven storeys and get right back up?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Two mutants with undefined superstrength/durability. The last of the scannage that I can think of right now.

Occurs earlier.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8161/mystique15046vr.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7602/mystique15055cw.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7549/mystique15060mt.th.jpg
Get's thrown from I don't know how many storeys... but a lot... and gets right back up to kick them... there.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9430/mystique15071nj.th.jpg

Oh and I neglected to mention if she really needed to... she could sort of fly...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3975/mystique15090gr.th.jpg cool,but she has shown nothing that cap couldnt do...

Originally posted by King KAM
cool,but she has shown nothing that cap couldnt do... Like grow a prehensile tail or glider wings...

Originally posted by King KAM
cool,but she has shown nothing that cap couldnt do...
I can name off plenty of things from those scans Cap couldn't do and yeah,she's more durable then him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Like grow a prehensile tail or glider wings... well no hecant do that part....duh....

but he has fallen in a 10 story buildiing with the building falling on him,and got back up fighting

Originally posted by King KAM
well no hecant do that part....duh....

but he has fallen in a 10 story buildiing with the building falling on him,and got back up fighting Scans? And shieldless...?

N.B. Mystique does these things without any body armour or shielding... hell she isn't even wearing any clothes... they're just extensions of her.

ok i will host the pic
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8456/ca32143hz.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3614/ca32156ro.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3968/ca32169ow.jpg
and this is after his head had been used to destroy a floor of concrete and brick

"I will beat you Skull. I find a way. I always do."

Who wrote that...

The same person who made him throw a shield at a missile...?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"I will beat you Skull. I find a way. I always do."

Who wrote that...

The same person who made him throw a shield at a missile...? someones getting jealous....lol

Originally posted by King KAM
someones getting jealous....lol Not really... I doubt he can do this:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7484/mystique15194se.th.jpghttp://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1295/mystique15208ma.th.jpg

Tiny rocket man out of stomach>>Crappy writing building...

Besides... I don't see him fall from 10 storeys like you said.
And the shield probably took the brunt of the building.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not really... I doubt he can do this:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7484/mystique15194se.th.jpghttp://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1295/mystique15208ma.th.jpg

Tiny rocket man out of stomach>>Crappy writing building...

Besides... I don't see him fall from 10 storeys like you said.
And the shield probably took the brunt of the building. the shield wasnt on him,an they were on the top floor, so when the building gave way, they fell and the building fell on him.

and sorry no it doesnt, its a shapeshifter feat, i just proved that cap can be tied to a chain and knock down buildings for a living

Originally posted by King KAM
the shield wasnt on him,an they were on the top floor, so when the building gave way, they fell and the building fell on him.

and sorry no it doesnt, its a shapeshifter feat, i just proved that cap can be tied to a chain and knock down buildings for a living Isn't that the shield right next to him?

If he didn't use the shield frankly there's no reason even under comic book logic that he can survive that unscathed. He isn't Luke Cage...

It seems akin to the surreal missile "feat".

Be serious he used the damn Shield.

Originally posted by Skeets
Be serious he used the damn Shield. Besides if he was on the top floor, he basically fell with the building's descent and only the rubble of the very roof is on him not "the building".

To be fair Capt had to be pulled out of the debris, Mystique just got up.
And if Capt was on the top floor then he wouldn't have felt the full force of the building. If the building fell while he was on the bottom floor and he had no shield then I'd say he could be used as a wrecking ball. But from what I've seen Mystique seems far more durable.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Besides if he was on the top floor, he basically fell with the building's decent and only the rubble of the very roof is on him not "the building".
I was thinking the same thing.That feats not that impressive.
plus he used the Shield,why wouldn't he,just to show that he can take some rubble falling on him.

Originally posted by Skeets
Be serious he used the damn Shield. he didnt use the shield , like a friggin said, when the building fell on him and red skull, redskull was kicking his ass, the shield was nowhere near him, it appeared near him in the rubbel, but he didnt use it.if he did, he wouldnt have been hurt at all.

the page before ...
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2720/ca32137ta.jpg

Originally posted by Skeets
I was thinking the same thing.That feats not that impressive.
plus he used the Shield,why wouldn't he,just to show that he can take some rubble falling on him. once again you have thought wrong he didnt use the shield like i said....and skeets my friend..you have been...

pwned

Originally posted by King KAM
once again you have thought wrong he didnt use the shield like i said....and skeets my friend..you have been...

pwned
Me pwned.... you ain't post the damn scan until now besides the building didn't fall on him.....

Originally posted by King KAM
once again you have thought wrong he didnt use the shield like i said....and skeets my friend..you have been...

pwned The shield is right next to him when he's pulled out of the rubble.

What kind of writer can't keep continuity going from one page to the next...?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
To be fair Capt had to be pulled out of the debris, Mystique just got up.
And if Capt was on the top floor then he wouldn't have felt the full force of the building. If the building fell while he was on the bottom floor and he had no shield then I'd say he could be used as a wrecking ball. But from what I've seen Mystique seems far more durable. cap just fell 10 stories down, and then got covered in debris,a man lifted him out of the debris and he sprung back to life.

this beats mystiques feat kiddoe, she fell seven without getting crushed.

Originally posted by Skeets
Me pwned.... you ain't post the damn scan until now besides the building didn't fall on him..... you still were pwned, someone asked me if he was using the shield and i said no, but you went ahead and ignored my post even though you had zero knowlege of the fight, TWICE, and i showed you up.

pwnage.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The shield is right next to him when he's pulled out of the rubble.

What kind of writer can't keep continuity going from one page to the next...? so now you start bringing in the writer, the same writer that lets mystique fall out of 7story buildings without her skull poping open when it hits the concrete. O.o

Originally posted by King KAM
so now you start bringing in the writer, the same writer that lets mystique fall out of 7story buildings without her skull poping open when it hits the concrete. O.o I doubt Brian K Vaughn would make such glaringly obvious continuity errors.

Her traits are explained by her metamorphic abilities. There's no comic book reason he'd be unscathed by that... except the shield... which funnily enought is right beside him after the building falls.

Originally posted by King KAM
you still were pwned, someone asked me if he was using the shield and i said no, but you went ahead and ignored my post even though you had zero knowlege of the fight, TWICE, and i showed you up.

pwnage.
You said he didn't use the shield but the Scan you posted has the Shield right next to him,of course I'm gonna question if he did or did not use the shield.So again I fail to see how I was "pwned".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I doubt Brian K Vaughn would make such glaringly obvious continuity errors.

Her traits are explained by her metamorphic abilities. There's no comic book reason he'd be unscathed by that... except the shield... which funnily enought is right beside him after the building falls. considering he had to do flips to get to it, it cant be too close.

Originally posted by Skeets
You said he didn't use the shield but the Scan you posted has the Shield right next to him,of course I'm gonna question if he did or did not use the shield.So again I fail to see how I was "pwned". you questioned it AFTER i told you he didnt, and if you look at the debris, he had to flip to the shield how could he have used it, it wouldnt have gotten away from him in the fall, thats what the straps are for.

Originally posted by King KAM
considering he had to do flips to get to it, it cant be too close. Hmm... yet it's right beside him when Red Skull pulls him out of the rubble.. So we agree then bad writing and art...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... yet it's right beside him when Red Skull pulls him out of the rubble.. So we agree then bad writing and art... then why does he have to flip to it??? i think you are getting angles confused, and the red skull takes no steps after up rooting cap, so to couldnt have been in his grasp,because he had to do back handsprings to get it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... yet it's right beside him when Red Skull pulls him out of the rubble.. So we agree then bad writing and art... and no we dont agree, we agree that you dont know jack shit about cap so you shouldnt say what he can and cant do.

Originally posted by King KAM
cap just fell 10 stories down, and then got covered in debris,a man lifted him out of the debris and he sprung back to life.

this beats mystiques feat kiddoe, she fell seven without getting crushed.

Actually it looks like Mystique fell from more then 10 stories, look at where the the bulk of the explosion is. Note that she is inside one of the floors when this happens. Also note that she managed to dodge most of the debris and got right up from that fall.

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blz232dk.jpg

If you count the floors in Capt scan I'd say it's about 10 stories when you include the roof. Note that the roof debris are what falls on him. And his shield coincidence or not lands right next to him suggesting that he managed grab and use it. Also note that Skull had to pull him out of the debris and he didn't manage to dodge any of the building fragments that fell on him.

The art's a bit suspect it doesn't even look like a building just collapsed.
Cap wasn't even burried in much debris.

Originally posted by King KAM
and no we dont agree, we agree that you dont know jack shit about cap so you shouldnt say what he can and cant do. Easy tiger.

Show me a scan of Cap falling face first into concrete from seven+ storeys without his shield and getting right back up... and we can say he's as durable as Mystique.

Hmm even saying "Captain America falls face first into concrete from seven+ storeys without his shield and getting right back up" sounds wrong.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually it looks like Mystique fell from more then 10 stories, look at where the the bulk of the explosion is. Note that she is inside one of the floors when this happens. Also note that she managed to dodge most of the debris and got right up from that fall.

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blz232dk.jpg

If you count the floors in Capt scan I'd say it's about 10 stories when you include the roof. Note that the roof debris are what falls on him. And his shield coincidence or not lands right next to him suggesting that he managed grab and use it. Also note that Skull had to pull him out of the debris and he didn't manage to dodge any of the building fragments that fell on him. yeah ummm, cap grabs his sheild that is nowhere near him and mananges to use it, YET he loses it before he can get crushed and it falls 15 feet away from his body,get over it. he didnt use the sheild,

but i gotta go, and yes i have proven everyone wrong in this thread. Mystique is more durable than i thought but then again she has a healing factor, so what can i expect?

Originally posted by King KAM
and yes i have proven everyone wrong in this thread. Where?

Originally posted by King KAM
yeah ummm, cap grabs his sheild that is nowhere near him and mananges to use it, YET he loses it before he can get crushed and it falls 15 feet away from his body,get over it. he didnt use the sheild,

but i gotta go, and yes i have proven everyone wrong in this thread. Mystique is more durable than i thought but then again she has a healing factor, so what can i expect?
So You admit that she's more durable then Cap.What's this crap
"she has a healing factor,so what can i expect" first mention of her healing factor you said "so what Cap has one too".....
Oh and go to sleep *****!

Also when does he flip towards his shield? Skull pulls his hand out of the debris and his shield is lying right there.

He only flips to escape from Skulls grip, then land next to the shield that was always close to him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Easy tiger.

Show me a scan of Cap falling face first into concrete from seven+ storeys without his shield and getting right back up... and we can say he's as durable as Mystique.

Hmm even saying "Captain America falls face first into concrete from seven+ storeys without his shield and getting right back up" sounds wrong. well he didnt get right back up but he did recover extremley fast, withing the next minute he was fighting, and as for more durable, cap has had more than one building fall on him, has been shot more the 7 times in the arm and acted like it was nothing, and been in his fair share of explosions, check out his respect thread

Cap wins the first match. And then loses the next two.

Mystique for the majority!

Originally posted by Skeets
So You admit that she's more durable then Cap.What's this crap
"she has a healing factor,so what can i expect" first mention of her healing factor you said "so what Cap has one too".....
Oh and go to sleep *****! well he does...but it doesnt work instantly he just heals fasters than humansOriginally posted by ExodusCloak
Also when does he flip towards his shield? Skull pulls his hand out of the debris and his shield is lying right there. yet it is not near his body or in the air like the rest of the debris showing that cap wasnt holding it.

Originally posted by King KAM
well he didnt get right back up but he did recover extremley fast, withing the next minute he was fighting, and as for more durable, cap has had more than one building fall on him, has been shot more the 7 times in the arm and acted like it was nothing, and been in his fair share of explosions, check out his respect thread Mystique had a tiny rocketman fly out of her stomach.

Originally posted by King KAM
like the rest of the debris showing that cap wasnt holding it.

You talking about this scan

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3968/ca32169ow.jpg

Just look at how close the shield is to him. BTW If I had a shield and people were throwing rocks at me from all sides I would automatically drop the shield once one of those rock hit me.



Well the shield does land right next to him(That is hardly 15 feet) so it must have been very close to him when they were fighting on the roof. Which means that he would have had enough time to grab it and use it while Skull was distracted.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You talking about this scan

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3968/ca32169ow.jpg

Just look at how close the shield is to him. BTW If I had a shield and people were throwing rocks at me from all sides I would automatically drop the shield once one of those rock hit me.



Well the shield does land right next to him(That is hardly 15 feet) so it must have been very close to him when they were fighting on the roof. Which means that he would have had enough time to grab it and use it while Skull was distracted. no because if cap wouldve used the shield to save him from the building he wouldve held on to it like he does all the time, he normally uses his shield to stop himself from being crushed, he obviously didnt have the shield,its not in his hand when the building collapses and not in his hand when its over, THEREFORE what you are saying useless banter.

Originally posted by King KAM
no because if cap wouldve used the shield to save him from the building he wouldve held on to it like he does all the time, he normally uses his shield to stop himself from being crushed, he obviously didnt have the shield,its not in his hand when the building collapses and not in his hand when its over, THEREFORE what you are saying useless banter.

The scan suggests that he did and let go once he was hit by the roof debris as it didn't shield him entirely, that's why the shield is right next to him when Skull pulls him out of the debris.

And no it actually makes perfect sense. The shield had to have been near him when the building was about to collapse otherwise it wouldn't have fallen right next to him. Everything points to him using it.

The blood lust fights, Captain America would take the majority; the in character fights, though become an even split or even slightly in mystique's favor.

From the Mystique Respect Thread Mystique can change the density of her body, what's stopping her from doing a Kitty Pryde and damaging Capts heart by phasing through him?

Density changed to phase.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6897058

Damn the others came out really small. Wait a minute I'll fix this.
Density becomes lighter so she can glide.
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mystique15090gr.jpg

Density increased to smack people with
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mystique07044wr.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mystique07065vr.jpg

Also the fact that Mystique can change the density of her body makes it even harder for one of Capts punches to connect. I'm starting to think that she could take scenario #1 as well.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
From the Mystique Respect Thread Mystique can change the density of her body, what's stopping her from doing a Kitty Pryde and damaging Capts heart by phasing through him?

Density changed to phase.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6897058

Damn the others came out really small. Wait a minute I'll fix this.
Density becomes lighter so she can glide.
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mystique15090gr.jpg

Density increased to smack people with
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mystique07044wr.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mystique07065vr.jpg

Also the fact that Mystique can change the density of her body makes it even harder for one of Capts punches to connect. I'm starting to think that she could take scenario #1 as well.

Dude. I knew Mystique was powerful, but I had no idea she could do some of those things. Cap gets his ass kicked in every scenario.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The scan suggests that he did and let go once he was hit by the roof debris as it didn't shield him entirely, that's why the shield is right next to him when Skull pulls him out of the debris.

And no it actually makes perfect sense. The shield had to have been near him when the building was about to collapse otherwise it wouldn't have fallen right next to him. Everything points to him using it. no nothing points to him using it, you just want him have used it, when the building fell, cap was nowhere near his shield, and when he gets pulled out of the debris he still isnt touching his sheild, but since it is close to him, you wish to beleive he used it.

The comic book never once showed cap think about using the shield, or say that he used it, in every scan it wasnt in his hand. THESE are FACTS, what you have given is a THEORY but it aint true.

Seriously, what comics are those from? I've never even heard of her phasing before, are you sure those aren't from like noncannon sources or something??? Poor cap. If thats really what Mystique can do. Cap loses 6/10.

Originally posted by rotiart
Seriously, what comics are those from? I've never even heard of her phasing before, are you sure those aren't from like noncannon sources or something??? Poor cap. If thats really what Mystique can do. Cap loses 6/10. she still has to hit the cap....

Originally posted by rotiart
Seriously, what comics are those from? I've never even heard of her phasing before, are you sure those aren't from like noncannon sources or something??? Poor cap. If thats really what Mystique can do. Cap loses 6/10. She had a solo series for a while...

Originally posted by King KAM
she still has to hit the cap.... Because no one's ever hit him before...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Because no one's ever hit him before... im not saying this... im just saying sooner or later she has to swing a punch, or kick right??? then she will be tangible and cap can reverse it and smash her up.

Originally posted by King KAM
im not saying this... im just saying sooner or later she has to swing a punch, or kick right??? then she will be tangible and cap can reverse it and smash her up. You've got this strange idea that he can instantly "smash her up" with a single punch or something, when she's also versed in h2h and can fall from a building and get right back up.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You've got this strange idea that he can instantly "smash her up" with a single punch or something, when she's also versed in h2h and can fall from a building and get right back up. she was hurt from the fall, and ive seen cap punch people throught cars, If cap hits her most likely its knock her down, or he will pressure point her.


And they are nowhere near eachother in terms of h2h skill.

Mystique is arguably in the same class range of fighters Cap is. I know she's really versatile, dexterious, and agile. Quick as a bugger too. I didn't know about the strength, density phasing. Well I can get the strength and density... but not the phasing... Still increase the density of the fist right before a connect.. thats gonna hurt. Cap holds his own for a while, but in the end, her quickness is what gets him.

Originally posted by King KAM
she was hurt from the fall, and ive seen cap punch people throught cars, If cap hits her most likely its knock her down, or he will pressure point her.

And they are nowhere near eachother in terms of h2h skill. She can move her pressure points around. She's a metamorph.

She was punched by Rogue's Ms Marvel level strength through a wall.

There are two falls from great height I've posted. One she suffered an explosion, hit a building, fell 7+ storeys, and landed on her head. She was mildly worse for wear, but got back up and headed off.

The other one she landed on her back, falling from an even greater height. She got right back up.

She also got thrown out of a speeding car, hitting the ground face first. And again got right back up.

She can turn parts of herself into edge weapons and just gouge his eyes out.

*nods with KAM*

I still think Cap would lose the in character fight, though.

Originally posted by rotiart
Mystique is arguably in the same class range of fighters Cap is. I know she's really versatile, dexterious, and agile. Quick as a bugger too. I didn't know about the strength, density phasing. Well I can get the strength and density... but not the phasing... Still increase the density of the fist right before a connect.. thats gonna hurt. Cap holds his own for a while, but in the end, her quickness is what gets him. woah....
okay i quit this thread, Mystique defeats No-one worth a damn in h2h, but yet she is now in caps level, you guys are all freaking crazy....

first bishop is better at h2h than Cap, now so is Mystique.

Originally posted by King KAM
woah....
okay i quit this threadSo Mystique wins then... cool.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So Mystique wins then... cool. you guys are saying shit like Mystique is as good of a fighter as cap....this is just wrong.

I would never say Bishop is better at hand to hand than Cap. I wouldn't say Mystique is better at hand to hand. I'm saying with her powerset, and skills, she can win. I'm sorry, but she's the mutie.

Bishop without his kinetic absorbing power is gonna die to a guy like Cap or BP. But with it, he could probably pull even. maybe even a small majority. Mystiques just better made for this fight.

If its hand to hand, and she didn't do any density tricks? cap would win.

Originally posted by King KAM
you guys are saying shit like Mystique is as good of a fighter as cap....this is just wrong. No one is saying that her hand to hand skills are equal to his.

However she is a proficient fighter. And she has a lot of additional abilities. Her body can essentially become a weapon, she can morph her hands into edge weapons. Her morphing power enables her to not only take appearances nowadays but also physical attributes e.g. wings, prehensile tail, wallcrawling. She can phase. All this and she has pretty high durability and a healing factor.

You know, I forgot about her enhanced healing when I was wagering she'd beat cap.

you know what mystique can't heal from? being decapitated... yknow who can hit skrulls that move so fast they appear as if they're teleporting?

yup you guessed it.. cap....

now let's get one thing straight.. being a proffecient fighter DOES NOT put you in the same league as cap.. most people that end up going hand to hand with cap have some sort of super power or a set of super powers that they have to use just to keep up... is mystique a good fighter? well yeah.. she's decent.. but let's get real... wolverine's had to bail her ass out of the fire on more than one occasion using fighting skills alone.. him and cap are at the same level.. cap could and WOULD trounce mystique in a fight. even if she morphs he slices her in half with his sheild before she can do anything... yes he's that fast and that good.. the guy takes down jet fighters with that thing...

DAMMIT.. I just read the first post.. ignore the one above.. but I SHALL return.. oh yes.. I SHALL RETURN MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by jinzin
you know what mystique can't heal from? being decapitated... yknow who can hit skrulls that move so fast they appear as if they're teleporting?

yup you guessed it.. cap....

now let's get one thing straight.. being a proffecient fighter DOES NOT put you in the same league as cap.. most people that end up going hand to hand with cap have some sort of super power or a set of super powers that they have to use just to keep up... is mystique a good fighter? well yeah.. she's decent.. but let's get real... wolverine's had to bail her ass out of the fire on more than one occasion using fighting skills alone.. him and cap are at the same level.. cap could and WOULD trounce mystique in a fight. even if she morphs he slices her in half with his sheild before she can do anything... yes he's that fast and that good.. the guy takes down jet fighters with that thing...
Cap doesn't have his shield for the fights.

The only one that might even give Cap the sligtest hint of trouble is the third senicro...

The rest Cap just kills everybody and dosent ask questions later

Originally posted by jinzin
DAMMIT.. I just read the first post.. ignore the one above.. but I SHALL return.. oh yes.. I SHALL RETURN MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No prep, PIS, CIS.

No shield.

1. Unactivated Danger Room. Bloodlust.
2. New Year's Eve in Times Square. Bloodlust.
3. New Year's Eve in Times Square. In character.

Next time, i should read the original post.

1. Cap has gone through a simulation made for Beast before with virtual ease. In that situation, Cap would probably win.
2. Bloodlust, cap wouldn't care for the people, but without his shield, he's going in handicapped, Cap loses but barely.
3. Mystique jumps into a taxi cab and threatens to mow down a bunch of people unless cap surrenders. Mystique wins.

okay after reading through this thread.. i agree with rotiart.. the fact is, while mystique is unarmed.. she still has superpowers that alow her weapons and a SERIOUS advantage in a crowded area... as good as steve is, he's still capable of being sneak attacked when he doesn't know where/whom the attack's coming from. These fights are horribly biased.. but admittedly in mytiques favor.. she'll win the timesquare scenarios.. but possibly lose the danger room one depending on what she morphs into..

h2h cap would punk her all day and night
with weapons, cap would punk her into next week.
but here in this thread she'll pull of the majority...

NOW as for the building feat.. who hear has read the comic? red skull AMBUSHES STEVE ROGERS IN HIS ROOM.. steve get his HEAD (not his shield.. his HEAD) used as a wrecking ball when the building collapses he doesn't have hold of his shield.. when we see him again he STILL doesn't have hold of his sheild.... anyone arguing that he had his sheild at any point in that "beating" to help him survive those things needs to A) get their eyes checked B) check their brains for worms or C) read the book... he didn't have it.. nuff said.

Originally posted by jinzin
okay after reading through this thread.. i agree with rotiart.. the fact is, while mystique is unarmed.. she still has superpowers that alow her weapons and a SERIOUS advantage in a crowded area... as good as steve is, he's still capable of being sneak attacked when he doesn't know where/whom the attack's coming from. These fights are horribly biased.. but admittedly in mytiques favor.. she'll win the timesquare scenarios.. but possibly lose the danger room one depending on what she morphs into..

h2h cap would punk her all day and night
with weapons, cap would punk her into next week.
but here in this thread she'll pull of the majority...

NOW as for the building feat.. who hear has read the comic? red skull AMBUSHES STEVE ROGERS IN HIS ROOM.. steve get his HEAD (not his shield.. his HEAD) used as a wrecking ball when the building collapses he doesn't have hold of his shield.. when we see him again he STILL doesn't have hold of his sheild.... anyone arguing that he had his sheild at any point in that "beating" to help him survive those things needs to A) get their eyes checked B) check their brains for worms or C) read the book... he didn't have it.. nuff said.
Kam only showed the scans of the building falling and then the shield was next to him.We all assumed he used it until Kam showed the scan before the building falling.
I still think she's more durable though.

she might be able to morph into something that is more resistant than skin or more flexible than organs like xmark's first scan.. but straight up caps got her beat in the durability dept as far as I know.

I remember the fight you're talking about, but no longer own the comics, so I can't argue here or there. Caps the man though.

Too bad this is one fight he's gonna probably lose 2/3 due to setup.
Did anyone else nothing that if you think about it xmarksthespot created pis setups so mystique could win.. its pis. pis i say! :P