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The four that they call fantastic
Mr. Fantastic
Thing
Human torch
Invisible woman

vs.

These titans
Robin
Superboy
Cyborg
Starfire
Raven
Wondergirl
Beast Boy
Kid-Flash

Before you say anything, i gots faith that the four with as much experience under their belt can handle these kids. What do u think?

With prep... FF 9/10

Without prep... TT 7/10

Originally posted by Scarlet315
The four that they call fantastic
Mr. Fantastic
Thing
Human torch
Invisible woman

vs.

These titans
Robin
Superboy
Cyborg
Starfire
Raven
Wondergirl
Beast Boy
Kid-Flash

Before you say anything, i gots faith that the four with as much experience under their belt can handle these kids. What do u think?

That's a lot to handle for the FF. They could very easily get overwhelmed here. I mean Cyborg and Superboy are strong enough to give Thing a run for his money.

Raven and Kid Flash can keep Invisible woman on her toes.

Starfire and Wondergirl will be a sufficient distraction for Human Torch.

And Beast Boy and Robin could possibly handle Reed.

I agree with Grimm and say this hinges on prep.

W/prep FF 9/10

Without TT 6/10

Originally posted by Psyquis52
That's a lot to handle for the FF. They could very easily get overwhelmed here. I mean Cyborg and Superboy are strong enough to give Thing a run for his money.

Raven and Kid Flash can keep Invisible woman on her toes.

Starfire and Wondergirl will be a sufficient distraction for Human Torch.

And Beast Boy and Robin could possibly handle Reed.

I agree with Grimm and say this hinges on prep.

W/prep FF 9/10

Without TT 6/10

Sue gets taken out in the first minute

Torch kills BB and Robin

Thing can beat WG and possibly Superboy

The real problems are Raven and Kid Flash

Originally posted by Psyquis52
That's a lot to handle for the FF. They could very easily get overwhelmed here. I mean Cyborg and Superboy are strong enough to give Thing a run for his money.

I truly think that Thing could handle these two. I mean this is the guy who goes toe to toe with the hulk.

Originally posted by Scarlet315
Originally posted by Psyquis52
That's a lot to handle for the FF. They could very easily get overwhelmed here. I mean Cyborg and Superboy are strong enough to give Thing a run for his money.

I truly think that Thing could handle these two. I mean this is the guy who goes toe to toe with the hulk.

SB maybe

Cyborg is in like class 70 strength

Kid Flash. Speedblitz.

And no, Thing can't beat Superboy.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Sue gets taken out in the first minute

Torch kills BB and Robin

Thing can beat WG and possibly Superboy

The real problems are Raven and Kid Flash the same sue that killed a celestial, put a hole in g. sues a bigger asset than thing.

Titans win.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Sue gets taken out in the first minute

Torch kills BB and Robin

Thing can beat WG and possibly Superboy

The real problems are Raven and Kid Flash

Grimm, com'on.

You TRULY think Thing can take out either Wonder Girl or Superboy? Hell, I may even give you Wonder Girl, but Thing would get stomped by Superboy.

And yea, Sue would be dead in the first picosecond.

Torch goes down next.

And then Reed, being the hardest to kill, is taken out by I dunno...Raven.

Originally posted by bigbran
the same sue that killed a celestial, put a hole in g. sues a bigger asset than thing.

You're right, she is. But, she can't react fast enough to stop any of the speedsters on this team, let alone Kid Flash.

In a straight up fight Thing would kill him

Originally posted by golem370
In a straight up fight Thing would kill him Uh no.. he'd be melted from ugly brown rock to ugly brown goo.

Is Kons hv that powerful??

Cuz it never impressed me like Supermans did.

Not saying it wouldn't hurt Thing, but melt him?? I doubt it.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Is Kons hv that powerful??

Cuz it never impressed me like Supermans did.

Not saying it wouldn't hurt Thing, but melt him?? I doubt it. I was being hyperbolic. He may remain ugly brown scorched rock.

Originally posted by golem370
In a straight up fight Thing would kill him

In a straight-up fight, even without heat vision, Superboy stomps Thing.

Nope doubt it

Okay, you can doubt it all you want. We're all entitled to our opinons.

Originally posted by golem370
Nope doubt it Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay, you can doubt it all you want. We're all entitled to our opinons. Even when they're clearly wrong.

I have never seen them fight have you that's your opinion that SB would win... Thing is a better fighter and has more experience

Thing and Kon maybe comparable in strength, but Kon ahs his tk as well as his superspeed. Thing ain't touching him unless he lets Thing touch him.

Like I said in a straight up fight Thing would win

Maybe but he wouldn't straight up fight him. He'd TK his butt and HV fry him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
In a straight-up fight, even without heat vision, Superboy stomps Thing.

Superboy isnt anywhere near as strong as Superman

In fact none of his powers are

Titans wihtout prep SMASH The F4

SB would destroy ole Ben, no problems what so ever.

TT 7/10.

Im not sure if its just me, but anyone in the Super Family would crap on thing with both hands tied behind there backs.....but maybe its just me

This is overkill.

Thing isn't beating anyone with an S shield except Steel.

Titans win pretty easily.

Titans take them down hard.

Kid Flash takes Sue and Johnny first. Raven goes for Mr. Fantastic. Superboy and Wondergirl destroy Thing.

End of story.

The only way to beat TT is if Human Torch does supenova and invisible woman destroy Raven and Superboy but by that time Kid0Flash and Superboy have all ready kill them.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Superboy isnt anywhere near as strong as Superman

In fact none of his powers are

I never agrued that they were. However:

Superman>>>>>>>>Superboy>>>>>>>>>>Thing.

Originally posted by Scarlet315
The four that they call fantastic
Mr. Fantastic
Thing
Human torch
Invisible woman

vs.

These titans
Robin
Superboy
Cyborg
Starfire
Raven
Wondergirl
Beast Boy
Kid-Flash

Before you say anything, i gots faith that the four with as much experience under their belt can handle these kids. What do u think?



thing - superboy,cyborg - tt

reed vs beastboy,robin - well reeds like madame rouge - dangerous to robin

human torch - starfire,kid-flash - tt

invis woman vs raven,wondergirl - tt

*Laughs* This is over kill on so many levels. Superboy and Kid-flash could damn near take the Fantastic Four alone. And THEN you throw in people like Raven? Wondergirl? Starfire?

The family of four take a BAD beating.

Originally posted by Soljer
*Laughs* This is over kill on so many levels. Superboy and Kid-flash could damn near take the Fantastic Four alone. And THEN you throw in people like Raven? Wondergirl? Starfire?

The family of four take a BAD beating.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never agrued that they were. However:

Superman>>>>>>>>Superboy>>>>>>>>>>Thing.

Ok fine Ben cant beat Superboy

However I dont think he would lose THAT badly rather

Superman >>>>>>>> Superboy>>Thing

Superman>>>>>>>>>>>Thing

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ok fine Ben cant beat Superboy

However I dont think he would lose THAT badly rather

Superman >>>>>>>> Superboy>>Thing

Superman>>>>>>>>>>>Thing

It's still really not close (what with Superboy's SUPER-SPEED/REFLEXES), but hey, I'll live with it for now.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's still really not close (what with Superboy's SUPER-SPEED/REFLEXES), but hey, I'll live with it for now.

True

Superboy vs. Thing goes to Superboy 9/10. That being quite generous to grimm. Kon-el is FAR too fast for Ben. And hell, if Superboy wanted to, he could just stay out of range by flying, and assault him with Tactile Telekinesis from afar.