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Which DC brick wins?? And who goes down first??

Captain Marvel and Superman have always stalemated, so it's really hard to say.

Unless anyone of these four team up and save each other for last, I see Wonder Woman going down first, then Black Adam, then either Superman or Captain Marvel. Whoever makes the first big mistake.

If anything, i see it as WW going down first(we agree there) and Superman and BA going head to head to finish it. Marvel is equal to both, but won't go for the kill. And Adam will.

I see your point, I always thought that Billy was, at least slightly, Teth's superior. But Teth does have a greater drive than Billy.

Eh, it could go either way. I think Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Superman are all pretty damned equally matched.

So i'm not the only one who thinks so?!

I frickin knew it!

superman on which version can win - if he sundips for about, 5 hours hes got a real good chance, but in sheer luck - i think supes wins - adam actually goes down 1st - heres how - the goods team up - most likely - ww then goes down - supes has prob won by now coz marvel - prob fell down with adam

Superman has the best variety of powers.

Hmm. 3 magic based characters and a alien who is highly vunerable to magic in a free for all. To be quite honest, i wouldnt be surprised if Supes was the first to go down. On the other hand, the 3 goodies may team up on Adam to get him out first. Wonderwoman being the first to go just doesnt seem likely to me.

All in all i say it would either come down to Cap vs WW or Cap vs Adam in the end.

But do you feel WW is equal to the Shazams or slightly inferior, from a physical pov?

slightly inferior but her exp. and skill should make up for it.

if its sundip - its supes
if its red energy - its supes
if its owaw - its supes
if its allstar - its supes
if its earth2 - its supes
if its blue energy - its supes (maybe)
if its super man-prime - its supes
if its eradicator - its supes
if its cyborg(w rings) - its supes
if its cyborg(w/o ring) - he looses
if its original - supes (luck) or looses (unlucky)

Originally posted by UniOmni
But do you feel WW is equal to the Shazams or slightly inferior, from a physical pov?

Her strength is sliiiiightly inferior to the shazam's imo. Not to the point where it hinders her much in battle though. She'd no doubt be able to hold her own for quite a while. Same for her against Supes.

Thats all i wanted to know. Cuz to hear some tell it, She's stronger than the Bolt brothers. And that was never shown.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thats all i wanted to know. Cuz to hear some tell it, She's stronger than the Bolt brothers. And that was never shown.

Thats just my opinion though. Everyone has their own.

She's done more physical damage to Superman than either of them have. That's about all that puts her over them. I personally say they're equals.

It all depends on how the actual battle goes. Any of them have the potential to win.

I'd side with Marvel myself, but my opinion isn't any more valid than anyone else's.

Without prep I think it is safe to say Superman loses not that he goes down first but he does not win.

Originally posted by Validus
She's done more physical damage to Superman than either of them have. That's about all that puts her over them. I personally say they're equals.

What do you mean?? Cap has koed Superman twice. IIRC, Wondy has never pulled that off. Or am i wrong?

Originally posted by UniOmni
What do you mean?? Cap has koed Superman twice. IIRC, Wondy has never pulled that off. Or am i wrong?
I mean to say WW has broken Kal's bones on more than one occasion. Cap KO's him when he's not expecting it and before you start, it's pretty much comic book fact that characters are more durable when they're bracing for the attack.

Originally posted by Validus
I mean to say WW has broken Kal's bones on more than one occasion. Cap KO's him when he's not expecting it and before you start, it's pretty much comic book fact that characters are more durable when they're bracing for the attack.

Which is totally antithetical to physics (during a car crash, for example, you're less likely to get hurt if you're relaxed and limp rather than tense). But then again, most of comics is anti-physics.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Which is totally antithetical to physics (during a car crash, for example, you're less likely to get hurt if you're relaxed and limp rather than tense). But then again, most of comics is anti-physics.


Well a car crash isn't exactly a punch to the face. Anybody will take it better when they see it coming but.....ok.

What other time did WW break his bones, other than his ribs in Sacrifice??
And what's your view on his physical status, in comparison to WW? Cap Marvel, that is.

WW #175 when she defeated him (Superman).

I said they're equals in everything except durability. I think the Marvel family is the most durable flying bricks out there.

So you find him to be weaker than Superman??

Yup. Not by enough to make a difference in a fight though. His durability makes up for it anyhow.

Damn Vally....I...just.....don't......know.....what....to.

Does the same go for BA as well in your views??

Is he weaker than Superman??

Superman is physically the strongest person on Earth in my view. I think there are times when he's clearly in a league of his own. Again though, that's purely strength. Not all around.

Originally posted by Validus
Superman is physically the strongest person on Earth in my view. I think there are times when he's clearly in a league of his own. Again though, that's purely strength. Not all around.

Cosigned

Let's break it down:

Superman- the strongest one in the battle; the most versatile one in the battle

Wonder Woman- the most experienced and the best fighter

Black Adam- has a killer instinct, and he wants to rip your head off; is just as durable as CM

Captain Marvel- slightly weaker than Superman; but more durable

Anybody could get the victory here imo.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thats all i wanted to know. Cuz to hear some tell it, She's stronger than the Bolt brothers. And that was never shown. Puhlease... I said I saw her strength as slightly below but not sufficiently to be significant.

The motives of this thread are pretty transparent. I agree with batdude any of the four could take the win.

X, i wasn't talking about you.
On another forum, two fervent WW fans claim that she is the strongest female on the planet. Which includes Supergirl.
And is also stronger than Cap and Teth.
Wasn't talking about you.......Feminist!!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I agree with batdude any of the four could take the win.

Somebody agreed with me on something!!!!!!!

She's a feminist.
Her views matter not at all.

Superman shouldn't considering he is vulnberable to magic and the other 3 are magicaly enstowed.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Superman shouldn't considering he is vulnberable to magic and the other 3 are magicaly enstowed.

Um... Superman's vulnerability to magic is more of a will power struggle for him.

Originally posted by UniOmni
She's a feminist.
Her views matter not at all. I like dramatic irony.

WW can and has beat down Supergirl.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I like dramatic irony.

WW can and has beat down Supergirl.

SHIBBY!!! AND SO HAS SUPERMAN!!!

Originally posted by UniOmni
She's a feminist.
Her views matter not at all.

Meh, most people are feminists these days, whether they realize it or not. Sexism is very nearly eradicated in the developed countries of the world. The only true feminists that should be ignored are the radical feminists. There is a far cry of difference between female equality, a state we have arguably attained, and female superiority. Some of the radical, dyke, ***** feminists want the latter.

I fail to see how political debates have anything to do with the topic at hand, however.

While my original prediction has changed a little, I still see Wonder Woman going down first, followed by one of the 'bolt brothers,' to leave Superman and the second to duke it out.

Originally, I thought Captain Marvel would be the one to claim the spot with superman. Now, after some reconsideration, I think Black Adam would probably beat him out of it.

And then, after Superman is so damned tired from fighting three magical beings, he is beaten out by Black Adam.

Winners:
1. Black Adam
2. Superman
3. Captain Marvel
4. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by lilnutta12
if its sundip - its supes
if its red energy - its supes
if its owaw - its supes
if its allstar - its supes
if its earth2 - its supes
if its blue energy - its supes (maybe)
if its super man-prime - its supes
if its eradicator - its supes
if its cyborg(w rings) - its supes
if its cyborg(w/o ring) - he looses
if its original - supes (luck) or looses (unlucky)

as i write here most froms of supes win, normal or cyborg mostly loose or luck win

Awesome Battle!!

Everyone one of them would be able to pull off a win without any PIS.

Superman is the fastest and strongest here, but his invulnerability won't help him against all the magical fists flying about.

Wonder Woman is the most skilled and experienced of them, with strength, speed and durability not far off of Supes, so she'll definitely hold her own.

Cap and Adam are both on a roughly equal footing, maybe not as strong, but about as fast and just as durable.

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Another thing that has to be remembered here, is that not only will Superman not be able to shrug off Diana, Billy and Teth's blows, as he would anyone elses, but also - his punches will have less effect on them too.

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One on one, I'd believe that Superman would beat any single person in this fight.

But in a rumble situation, with this much magical muscle flying about...

Superman is the least likely to win.

Wonder Woman and Black Adam would be equally likely to win it (due to Diana's skill and Adam's ruthlessness) and Cap coming ever so slightly below them.

Like I said though, awesome battle. And if somene broke up the battle before the end, no doubt they'd all be battered and bruised.

cosigned

While I agree that Superman is the least likely to win, that doesn't mean he is going to be the first taken down.

I still see it coming down to Superman and a magically powered being, thus, as Superman is exhausted from the earlier battle, against whoever this being may be, Superman will have an almost impossible time winning.

I also find it hard to give Wonder Woman the top spot, as I would give any of the three other combatants odds against her. Superman, Captain Marvel, and Black Adam are all pretty even in every way, shape, and form, while Wonder Woman is ALMOST on their level, in every way shape and form.

She does have the skill advantage over them, but I don't believe that her superior skill is enough to bridge the gap otherwise between them.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I like dramatic irony.

WW can and has beat down Supergirl.

Damn bra burner!!

You need the support! You hear me?!

... I don't get it...

Feminists of yore burned their bras in defiance. He is telling you that your breasts need the support a bra offers.

That's nice but seeing as I'm a guy I'm pretty sure my breasts don't need support.. hold on I'll check... nope not today.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hmm. 3 magic based characters and a alien who is highly vunerable to magic in a free for all. To be quite honest, i wouldnt be surprised if Supes was the first to go down. On the other hand, the 3 goodies may team up on Adam to get him out first. Wonderwoman being the first to go just doesnt seem likely to me.

All in all i say it would either come down to Cap vs WW or Cap vs Adam in the end.

Co-Signed. Most likely it would be Capt vs Adam

captain marvel beats any of them

supes(current)and adam stalemate

ww? what's she doing here?

Anyone would win on a different day.

Originally posted by unknowable
captain marvel beats any of them

supes(current)and adam stalemate

ww? what's she doing here?
WW is a great fighter. I do agree that Captain Marvel would win this fight in a Rumble or against any of them one on one but he would have to go all out. And I read that Captain Marvel will soon be able to emit thunder bolts if he could do that in this fight he would surely win.

Originally posted by batdude123
Anyone would win on a different day.

but supes can never beat marvel

ww could never beat marvel either

adam can sneak in a few wins against marvel

what up Batdude123

Originally posted by D-Block
WW is a great fighter. I do agree that Captain Marvel would win this fight in a Rumble or against any of them one on one but he would have to go all out. And I read that Captain Marvel will soon be able to emit thunder bolts if he could do that in this fight he would surely win.

i agree...wow usualy he has to do the ol call out and get out of the way to hit you, that would make far more awesome if he could willfully shoot lightning bolts, them bolts can hurt superman.

Originally posted by unknowable
but supes can never beat marvel

ww could never beat marvel either

adaam can sneak in a few wins against marvel

WHAT??? Captain Marvel and Superman battles go either way. They're equals.

Wonder Woman is almost up there. I doubt she would be the victor out of these four majority of the time. Black Adam=Captain Marvel=Superman. Get the picture?

Originally posted by D-Block
what up Batdude123

Nm, u?

Originally posted by batdude123
WHAT??? Captain Marvel and Superman battles go either way. They're equals.

Wonder Woman is almost up there. I doubt she would be the victor out of these four majority of the time. Black Adam=Captain Marvel=Superman. Get the picture?

it's just my opinion

supes is vulnerable to magic, marvel's power comes from magic, that's what i get

current supes, written according to his true abilities and weaknesses, should never win against cap, imo

adam is tough, but does he have feats on marvel's scale?
it would be a fight, even to near death everytime, but cap should always win

ww is a warrior born, but marvel will do her in, alot quicker than he would adam

Originally posted by unknowable
it's just my opinion

supes is vulnerable to magic, marvel's power comes from magic, that's what i get

current supes, written according to his true abilities and weaknesses, should never win against cap, imo

adam is tough, but does he have feats on marvel's scale?
it would be a fight, even to near death everyttime, but cap should always win

ww is a warrior born, but marvel will do her in, alot quicker than he would adam

And Superman is the strongest, fastest, and most versatile person in the fight. That's how he makes up the difference.

IMO I doubt that superman would be able to keep taking shots from 3 of the most powerful magicly powered beings on earth which IMO 2 are his superior (CM and BA) and one is highly skilled and slightly below. Supes goes down 1st or 2nd if no one is holding back IMO.

Originally posted by UniOmni
X, i wasn't talking about you.
On another forum, two fervent WW fans claim that she is the strongest female on the planet. Which includes Supergirl.

They're correct about that. What other female on Earth even challenges WW in strength besides Kara?

Originally posted by batdude123
And Superman is the strongest, fastest, and most versatile person in the fight. That's how he makes up the difference.

Supes is more versatile with heat vision and freeze breath but that is nothing to CM or BA. And I doubt he is stronger or faster than either one.

Originally posted by D-Block
IMO I doubt that superman would be able to keep taking shots from 3 of the most powerful magicly powered beings on earth which IMO 2 are his superior (CM and BA) and one is highly skilled and slightly below. Supes goes down 1st or 2nd if no one is holding back IMO.

Not really considering Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Superman are all equals. Superman has taken shazam bolts and shazam shots before. It's not like CM or BA would have an easy time with him. Not to mention the fact that Superman is stronger, faster, and more versatile than them. All in all, Superman would take 3/10, BA would take 3/10, CM would take 3/10, and Wonder Woman would take 1/10 imo.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not really considering Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Superman are all equals. Superman has taken shazam bolts and shazam shots before. It's not like CM or BA would have an easy time with him. Not to mention the fact that Superman is stronger, faster, and more versatile than them. All in all, Superman would take 3/10, BA would take 3/10, CM would take 3/10, and Wonder Woman would take 1/10 imo.

Come on Bats you know I'm not say that Supes would go down easy but he would go down. Yes he has taken Shazam bolts but he can't shrugg them off like CM does heat vision.Stronger and faster supes isn't.

Originally posted by D-Block
Come on Bats you know I'm not say that Supes would go down easy but he would go down. Yes he has taken Shazam bolts but he can't shrugg them off like CM does heat vision.Stronger and faster supes isn't.
saying my bad

Originally posted by D-Block
Come on Bats you know I'm not say that Supes would go down easy but he would go down. Yes he has taken Shazam bolts but he can't shrugg them off like CM does heat vision.Stronger and faster supes isn't.

Stronger- yes
Faster- yes

Although, I will give the durability edge to Captain Marvel

The problem with Superman vs. Captain Marvel threads is that there is no clear cut winner. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference.

Originally posted by batdude123
All in all, Superman would take 3/10, BA would take 3/10, CM would take 3/10, and Wonder Woman would take 1/10 imo. 3/10, 3/10 and 1?/10 ?

He's been knocked out by CM and had his bones broken by WW. I really wouldn't slant the odds that much.

Originally posted by batdude123
Stronger- yes
Faster- yes

Although, I will give the durability edge to Captain Marvel

The problem with Superman vs. Captain Marvel threads is that there is no clear cut winner. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference.
Stronger- yes CM is
Faster - Thats up in the air

Originally posted by D-Block
Stronger- yes CM is
Faster - Thats up in the air

No, Superman is stronger than CM is. Speed wise, Superman is faster. Durability wise, Captain Marvel takes that one.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
3/10, 3/10 and 1?/10 ?

He's been knocked out by CM and had his bones broken by WW. I really wouldn't slant the odds that much.

1. He was distracted by Power Girl when it happened. Captain Marvel and Superman fights always go back and forth. It's really 50/50 between the two.

2. WW doing that to Superman imo doesn't mean she'd beat him. He's stronger, faster, more durable, and more versatile. She'd get about 3-4/10 wins against Supes.

Meh, I don't think Captain Marvel is MORE durable enough to make a difference, just as Superman isn't Stronger or Faster enough to make a difference. What does a few hundred mile per hour speed advantage mean when you are fighting at light speed?

Anywho, I think Batdude123 has it close. I wouldn't give Superman THAT good of odds, though. Probably Black Adam 4/10, Captain Marvel 3/10, Superman 2/10, and Wonder Woman 1/10. Or maybe even Superman 1/10.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I don't think Captain Marvel is MORE durable enough to make a difference, just as Superman isn't Stronger or Faster enough to make a difference. What does a few hundred mile per hour speed advantage mean when you are fighting at light speed?

Anywho, I think Batdude123 has it close. I wouldn't give Superman THAT good of odds, though. Probably Black Adam 4/10, Captain Marvel 3/10, Superman 2/10, and Wonder Woman 1/10. Or maybe even Superman 1/10.

Doubtful. You give CM 3/10, then you should give Superman 3/10 as well. Besides, it's been shown that Superman's "vulnerability" to magic is just a struggle against with his will. We've seen the kind of magic damage Superman is able to withstand before. Take Blackrock for example. Anyway, Superman is stronger and faster, but less durable. Again could go either way, though I doubt BA would take the majority out of this fight if EVERYBODY is going all out.

Originally posted by batdude123
1. He was distracted by Power Girl when it happened. Captain Marvel and Superman fights always go back and forth. It's really 50/50 between the two.

2. WW doing that to Superman imo doesn't mean she'd beat him. He's stronger, faster, more durable, and more versatile. She'd get about 3-4/10 wins against Supes. Oops I thought those figures you gave before were for 1 on 1s.Originally posted by batdude123
Doubtful. You give CM 3/10, then you should give Superman 3/10 as well. Besides, it's been shown that Superman's "vulnerability" to magic is just a struggle against with his will. We've seen the kind of magic damage Superman is able to withstand before. Take Blackrock for example. Anyway, Superman is stronger and faster, but less durable. Again could go either way, though I doubt BA would take the majority out of this fight if EVERYBODY is going all out. Actually it says nothing of disregarding character. Black Adam and WW both more willing to kill.

He still gets cut by her sword and tiara.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oops I thought those figures you gave before were for 1 on 1s.Actually it says nothing of disregarding character.

No prob.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Black Adam and WW both more willing to kill.

He still gets cut by her sword and tiara.

He has so many more powers than her it's rediculous. But, her weapons sorta make up for it. Superman has shown to heal from her tiara throw in mere seconds. The sword and tiara wouldn't make her win the majority over Superman. Superman trumps WW, but Captain Marvel and Black Adam would be tough to overcome.

Originally posted by batdude123
Doubtful. You give CM 3/10, then you should give Superman 3/10 as well. Besides, it's been shown that Superman's "vulnerability" to magic is just a struggle against with his will. We've seen the kind of magic damage Superman is able to withstand before. Take Blackrock for example. Anyway, Superman is stronger and faster, but less durable. Again could go either way, though I doubt BA would take the majority out of this fight if EVERYBODY is going all out.

While I consider Superman and Captain Marvel/Black Adam are near-enough equals, it doesn't mean they would have equal chance in this fight. I would venture to say that Captain Marvel/Black Adam could handle a fight with two other magical beings, and one alien, MUCH better than Superman could handle a fight with three other magical beings.

Remember, the transitive property doesn't ALWAYS apply in versus matches. The Shazams are better suited to this battle, that is all.

Originally posted by Soljer
While I consider Superman and Captain Marvel/Black Adam are near-enough equals, it doesn't mean they would have equal chance in this fight. I would venture to say that Captain Marvel/Black Adam could handle a fight with two other magical beings, and one alien, MUCH better than Superman could handle a fight with three other magical beings.

Remember, the transitive property doesn't ALWAYS apply in versus matches. The Shazams are better suited to this battle, that is all.

Um... Wonder Woman's powers aren't magically empowered like they are with Black Adam and Captain Marvel. Her magic is basically useless against Superman because she can't use it for striking. Captain Marvel and Black Adam might fight themselves first, so Superman could take out Wonder Woman. Superman could then take out the winner of the other battle.

Though you're right. I doubt Superman would fair too well fighting Captain Marvel and Black Adam one right after the other.

Everyone agrees Superman loses yesssss

Your hatred towards Superman never ceases to amaze me. Please contribute to the debate or don't say anything at all.

why do you hate me batdude123 I say anything and it is stupid even though I was just joking Capt. Mavel wins he isn't the mightiest mortal for nothing

Originally posted by Broly92
why do you hate me batdude123 I say anything and it is stupid even though I was just joking

I don't hate you.

Originally posted by Broly92
Capt. Mavel wins he isn't the mightiest mortal for nothing

M'kay even though that term is hyperbole.

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't hate you.



M'kay even though that term is hyperbole.
Really?

Meh, I tend to ignore anyone who is a popular character X lover/hater in debates with character X in them. Especially if they have character X in their avatar/profile.

Originally posted by Broly92
Really?

I have no reason to hate you. You're cool... MOST of the times.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I tend to ignore anyone who is a popular character X lover/hater in debates with character X in them. Especially if they have character X in their avatar/profile.
What?

Perhaps ignore was bad word choice. Rather, I just acknowledge their bias. I will read Capt it up's stuff, and Grimm22's, but since I know the former is a Wolverine loving fanboy, I take that into account. Likewise, I realize that Grimm is a Wolverine HATER, so I think about that too.

When I read posts about Superman, I take into account Avalon's Superman love, but then, I also take the Supes haters into account.

You just have to be sure to consider the source.

Originally posted by Soljer
Perhaps ignore was bad word choice. Rather, I just acknowledge their bias. I will read Capt it up's stuff, and Grimm22's, but since I know the former is a Wolverine loving fanboy, I take that into account. Likewise, I realize that Grimm is a Wolverine HATER, so I think about that too.

When I read posts about Superman, I take into account Avalon's Superman love, but then, I also take the Supes haters into account.

You just have to be sure to consider the source.
So are you saying something towards me or not

Am I a reliable source???

Originally posted by batdude123
Am I a reliable source???

For the most part. I agree with you most times, but I mean...every once in a while, you give batman slightly better odds than I would .

Originally posted by Soljer
For the most part. I agree with you most times, but I mean...every once in a while, you give batman slightly better odds than I would .

Maybe you just underestimate Batman.

Please answer my question
Originally posted by Broly92
So are you saying something towards me or not

Supes has higher stats than any of these guys...problem is they know it...

They would probably jump Supes first and then go for each other...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Supes has higher stats than any of these guys...problem is they know it...

They would probably jump Supes first and then go for each other...

Cosign. That's why I'm not saying Superman wins the majority here.

Capt. Marvel is said to be equal to Supes
Black Adam is equal to CM
Wonder Woman is the weakest link

It's my opinion that BA and WW have more of a killer instinct than CM or SM.

Originally posted by Broly92
Please answer my question

Figure out your own answer, I have no reason to hold myself to answer any question of yours.

Originally posted by Soljer
Figure out your own answer, I have no reason to hold myself to answer any question of yours.
I was just asking if you find me credible why is that a hard question?

Originally posted by badabing
It's my opinion that BA and WW have more of a killer instinct than CM or SM.

Unfortunately that wouldn't help WW win the majority here.

Originally posted by Broly92
I was just asking if you find me credible why is that a hard question?

Because I don't even recognize you. Though, if Batdude claims you are a notorious Superman hater, he probably isn't far off the mark.

Originally posted by Soljer
Because I don't even recognize you. Though, if Batdude claims you are a notorious Superman hater, he probably isn't far off the mark.
Sorry to waste your time just wanted to know

Originally posted by batdude123
Um... Wonder Woman's powers aren't magically empowered like they are with Black Adam and Captain Marvel. Her magic is basically useless against Superman because she can't use it for striking. But her weapons cut through him like butter.

Originally posted by batdude123
Cosign. That's why I'm not saying Superman wins the majority here.

I'm waiting to see how powerful Captain Marvel is going to be.

Between Ion, Captain Marvel, Supernova, and possibly Martian Manhunter...Superman is going to be hard pressed to keep his top spot.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But her weapons cut through him like butter.

Which he has healed from in seconds.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm waiting to see how powerful Captain Marvel is going to be.

Between Ion, Captain Marvel, Supernova, and possibly Martian Manhunter...Superman is going to be hard pressed to keep his top spot.

You mean when he takes over SHAZAM's spot? He's probably going to be more powerful than the old coot.

Originally posted by batdude123
Which he has healed from in seconds. Because she didn't want to decapitate him.

Even I beleive Superman>>>>>>WW

Your opinion holds about as much weight as Callista Flockhart's bones.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Your opinion holds about as much weight as Callista Flockhart's bones.
Nice insult

Originally posted by Broly92
Nice insult Nice comeback.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nice comeback.
same to you

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Because she didn't want to decapitate him.

That's the best you can do? That's like me saying anytime Superman's attacked her and she lived, it was because he let her.

Originally posted by Broly92
Nice insult

I thought so.

Originally posted by batdude123
You mean when he takes over SHAZAM's spot? He's probably going to be more powerful than the old coot.

Makes me wonder, are they going after Thor's upgrade to RKT?

If Marvel is supposed to be equal with Supes, is Supes really going to go
to his precrisis levels?

How powerful will Ion be?

Will Homer eat another donut?

So many questions...

Originally posted by batdude123
That's the best you can do? That's like me saying anytime Superman's attacked her and she lived, it was because he let her.

Pretty much, he could just have easily tossed her into the sun instead of punching her all the way back to earth.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Makes me wonder, are they going after Thor's upgrade to RKT?

I hope not.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If Marvel is supposed to be equal with Supes, is Supes really going to go
to his precrisis levels?

That would be sweet.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How powerful will Ion be?

Only time will tell. He's supposed to fight Hal Jordan in the next Ion issue.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Will Homer eat another donut?



Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So many questions...

Indeed...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Pretty much, he could just have easily tossed her into the sun instead of punching her all the way back to earth.



Superman>>Wonder Woman

Originally posted by batdude123
That would be sweet.
No it would not but I agree with the rest of what you said

Originally posted by batdude123
That's the best you can do? That's like me saying anytime Superman's attacked her and she lived, it was because he let her. Yip he could have thrown her into the sun, she could have decapitated him. He broke her wrist, she broke his ribs. Imo Sacrifice was meant to show them as practically equals. She's basically his female equivalent. Still slightly under him, but slight, they're not separated into separate classes or anything.Originally posted by batdude123
I thought so. Indeed.

You are an obvious WW fanboy I agree she is close to Supes but she will not win against him!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yip he could have thrown her into the sun, she could have decapitated him. He broke her wrist, she broke his ribs. Imo Sacrifice was meant to show them as practically equals. She's basically his female equivalent. Still slightly under him, but slight, they're not separated into separate classes or anything.

Agreed, but it's still clear that Superman is the higher of the two.

Originally posted by Broly92
You are an obvious WW fanboy I agree she is close to Supes but she will not win against him!

She definitely won't take the majority, but she could still pull off 3/10 against him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Agreed, but it's still clear that Superman is the higher of the two.



I'd likely give Superman seven or eight out of ten against Woner Woman.

Originally posted by Soljer


I'd likely give Superman seven or eight out of ten against Woner Woman.

Seven seems more reasonable imo.

Supes and Wonder Woman are pretty much equals. The reason that she can damage him is because she is magically empowered - she was created by magic.

Superman is better than her in every stat - strength, speed and invulnerability.

But in a fight, they're equals, because her skill comes into play.

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Anyway, as I said before, in the rumble, Supes comes last, with BA/WW coming first and Cap coming second.

Wonder Woman would beat Captain Marvel down to pure skill.

I'd say Black Adam and Marvel could be the last ones standing

I could see Adam asking Billy to team up on Superman and Wonder Woman and them being the last two Standing.

That is just my thought.

I think so many people do not give Wonder Woman her credit. In an all out battle, Wonder Woman would most likely be the victor. For one she is better trained than all 3 of the others put together. She also can be more durable than all of them. She can cross her bracelets and become absolutely invulnerable. None of them are that tuff. She can put on her armor and increase her invulberability even more. She can increase her offense to obscene levels. Her tiara, and sword can kill any of them. She also can bind one with the lasso and take them out of the fight. And she also has the sandles of Hermes that can increase her speed outrageously. She can even get freaking animals to aid her. And if she wanted to, she could put on the guantlet of ATLAS. Not only does it increase her strength times ten, but her invulnerability. at her normal lvls with just her bracelets, sword, and lasso, she is equal to all of them. add anyone of her other weapons or powers and she leaves them all in the dust. Not to mention only Black Adam can come close to her in actual fighting prowess. Give the princess her credit!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I think so many people do not give Wonder Woman her credit. In an all out battle, Wonder Woman would most likely be the victor. For one she is better trained than all 3 of the others put together. She also can be more durable than all of them. She can cross her bracelets and become absolutely invulnerable. None of them are that tuff. She can put on her armor and increase her invulberability even more. She can increase her offense to obscene levels. Her tiara, and sword can kill any of them. She also can bind one with the lasso and take them out of the fight. And she also has the sandles of Hermes that can increase her speed outrageously. She can even get freaking animals to aid her. And if she wanted to, she could put on the guantlet of ATLAS. Not only does it increase her strength times ten, but her invulnerability. at her normal lvls with just her bracelets, sword, and lasso, she is equal to all of them. add anyone of her other weapons or powers and she leaves them all in the dust. Not to mention only Black Adam can come close to her in actual fighting prowess. Give the princess her credit!!!

Ummm NO

This is a match WITHOUT WEAPONS

Originally posted by Milkie
Ummm NO

This is a match WITHOUT WEAPONS

Um reread it then. Without her regular weapons, she is still on thier lvl. She still has her bracelets. She could cross them the entire fight and fly around like an indestructible missle, totally assaulting them. She is as strong and as fast as any of them and a better fighter. She still wins. None of them can punch thru her force field.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um reread it then. Without her regular weapons, she is still on thier lvl. She still has her bracelets. She could cross them the entire fight and fly around like an indestructible missle, totally assaulting them. She is as strong and as fast as any of them and a better fighter. She still wins. None of them can punch thru her force field.

Hate to break it to you, but she is weaker and slower than all of them....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hmm. 3 magic based characters and a alien who is highly vunerable to magic in a free for all. To be quite honest, i wouldnt be surprised if Supes was the first to go down. On the other hand, the 3 goodies may team up on Adam to get him out first. Wonderwoman being the first to go just doesnt seem likely to me.

All in all i say it would either come down to Cap vs WW or Cap vs Adam in the end.

i agree.

i have seen ww trade blows with sups so i think that ww would deff last longer then she is getting credit for.

Originally posted by Soljer
Hate to break it to you, but she is weaker and slower than all of them....

Then I hate to break it to you, I have every single appearance of Wonder Woman since the 60's.

For every single thing you could possibly say to back up your claim, I can discount it with ten.

Her speed comes from Hermes who is the original avatar of speed. Captain Marvel gets his speed from Mercury. a copy of hermes.

Wonder Woman's strength comes from two Goddess of the earth, Captain marvel has the strength of a demi God.

So Exactly where is she weaker or slower than all of them?

In Jla, Wonder Woman was moving so fast that she was able to spy on the mind wiped Martians without them noticing.

She has held a bridge with hundreds if not thousands of cars and human beings on it.

She has helped move the moon and the Earth.

She held up the Chariot of Asmodel.

She was punched from orbit to the Earth by an enraged Superman and still got up to fight. Not just get up. But put up a fight.

So exactly when and where did she become weaker and slower than all three of them?

I"m sorry if my memory is a bit lax-ed, please shed some light for me.

*sigh* Sounds like the rookie needs to be tooled in a lesson on Superman.

*laughs* Go to each character's respect thread. The Shazam's and Superman's feats outshine Wonder Woman's. It is well known, and well documented that she is a bit weaker and slower with superman, but manages to compete partially due to her greater skill, and partially due to PIS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then I hate to break it to you, I have every single appearance of Wonder Woman since the 60's.

For every single thing you could possibly say to back up your claim, I can discount it with ten.

Her speed comes from Hermes who is the original avatar of speed. Captain Marvel gets his speed from Mercury. a copy of hermes.

Wonder Woman's strength comes from two Goddess of the earth, Captain marvel has the strength of a demi God.

So Exactly where is she weaker or slower than all of them?

In Jla, Wonder Woman was moving so fast that she was able to spy on the mind wiped Martians without them noticing.

She has held a bridge with hundreds if not thousands of cars and human beings on it.

She has helped move the moon and the Earth.

She held up the Chariot of Asmodel.

She was punched from orbit to the Earth by an enraged Superman and still got up to fight. Not just get up. But put up a fight.

So exactly when and where did she become weaker and slower than all three of them?

I"m sorry if my memory is a bit lax-ed, please shed some light for me.

You need to read up on some info

All those things Wonder Woman did Captain Marvel could do better

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then I hate to break it to you, I have every single appearance of Wonder Woman since the 60's.

For every single thing you could possibly say to back up your claim, I can discount it with ten.

Her speed comes from Hermes who is the original avatar of speed. Captain Marvel gets his speed from Mercury. a copy of hermes.

Wonder Woman's strength comes from two Goddess of the earth, Captain marvel has the strength of a demi God.

So Exactly where is she weaker or slower than all of them?

In Jla, Wonder Woman was moving so fast that she was able to spy on the mind wiped Martians without them noticing.

She has held a bridge with hundreds if not thousands of cars and human beings on it.

She has helped move the moon and the Earth.

She held up the Chariot of Asmodel.

She was punched from orbit to the Earth by an enraged Superman and still got up to fight. Not just get up. But put up a fight.

So exactly when and where did she become weaker and slower than all three of them?

I"m sorry if my memory is a bit lax-ed, please shed some light for me.

veary impressive it truley is
(Hermes is the same god as just diffrent name Mercury. like Ares is the same as Mars)

Originally posted by Soljer
*laughs* Go to each character's respect thread. The Shazam's and Superman's feats outshine Wonder Woman's. It is well known, and well documented that she is a bit weaker and slower with superman, but manages to compete partially due to her greater skill, and partially due to PIS.

Actually She is as strong as Superman. And it is also well documented that Superman can drain his massive energy reserves if he is pushed to hard. Wonder Woman could push him to those limits. She has enough defense to tax him. As far as Captain marvel goes, he's a superman copy and not even a good one. M'onel can beat Captain Marvel. Superman is only stronger then WW by such a small amount that it doesn't even count. And according to DC cannon, WW is the only other person on Earth who can match Superman's Strength. While Captain Marvel is the only other person who can Match Superman's Invulnerability.

Originally posted by Soljer
*laughs* Go to each character's respect thread. The Shazam's and Superman's feats outshine Wonder Woman's. It is well known, and well documented that she is a bit weaker and slower with superman, but manages to compete partially due to her greater skill, and partially due to PIS.
What PIS would that be?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually She is as strong as Superman. And it is also well documented that Superman can drain his massive energy reserves if he is pushed to hard. Wonder Woman could push him to those limits. She has enough defense to tax him. As far as Captain marvel goes, he's a superman copy and not even a good one. M'onel can beat Captain Marvel. Superman is only stronger then WW by such a small amount that it doesn't even count. And according to DC cannon, WW is the only other person on Earth who can match Superman's Strength. While Captain Marvel is the only other person who can Match Superman's Invulnerability.

actually cm is so close to sups that his comic was canceled for a littel while when it was first released.

Originally posted by Sea King
actually cm is so close to sups that his comic was canceled for a littel while when it was first released.

That is not how it went down

Originally posted by Milkie
That is not how it went down

thats the way i heard it happened

Originally posted by Sea King
actually cm is so close to sups that his comic was canceled for a littel while when it was first released.

All the while, he is still a copy, while Wonder Woman is not only original, but written to be the female equivalent of Superman. Not a copy, but a sort of mate if you will. She is the magical match to his cosmic might. She is the original Super Female and deserves the respect and place in the DC pantheon that is due to her.

Originally posted by Sea King
actually cm is so close to sups that his comic was canceled for a littel while when it was first released.
When CM first came out he was more popular than Superman

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually She is as strong as Superman. And it is also well documented that Superman can drain his massive energy reserves if he is pushed to hard. Wonder Woman could push him to those limits. She has enough defense to tax him. As far as Captain marvel goes, he's a superman copy and not even a good one. M'onel can beat Captain Marvel. Superman is only stronger then WW by such a small amount that it doesn't even count. And according to DC cannon, WW is the only other person on Earth who can match Superman's Strength. While Captain Marvel is the only other person who can Match Superman's Invulnerability.

No. Honestly Superman's feats speak for themselves. There are times when Superman and Wonder Woman are extremely close in terms of strength, and then there are other times when he's in his own league.

Originally posted by Broly92
When CM first came out he was more popular than Superman

Yeah

AND BETTER

They copied Captain Marvel just to keep up

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All the while, he is still a copy, while Wonder Woman is not only original, but written to be the female equivalent of Superman. Not a copy, but a sort of mate if you will. She is the magical match to his cosmic might. She is the original Super Female and deserves the respect and place in the DC pantheon that is due to her.

i understand that but the thing is ww was not always this powerful she has recived mainy power ups over the years that allows her to be so strong.

and yes your right she does deserve respect.


Originally posted by Broly92
When CM first came out he was more popular than Superman

well cm's comic was canceled for some reasion.
it was something like that.

Originally posted by batdude123
No. Honestly Superman's feats speak for themselves. There are times when Superman and Wonder Woman are extremely close in terms of strength, and then there are other times when he's in his own league.

Bottom of page.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually She is as strong as Superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman is only stronger then WW by such a small amount that it doesn't even count.

That may be confusing to some readers. If both were using their full strength to do something, Superman is stronger by Womder Woman by a decent amount. However, they wouldnt be using all their full strength in a fight, so it would seem as if they are roughly eaquals. Have they ever been in a test of strength against each other? I know Cap and Supes have more than once and its been said that they are too equal or evenly matched. Someone once told Supes that he was stronger than Cap and Supes denied it.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wonder Woman could push him to those limits. She has enough defense to tax him.

The exact thing can be said about Cap. Some would even say that Cap is more durable than Supes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As far as Captain marvel goes, he's a superman copy and not even a good one. M'onel can beat Captain Marvel.

Marvel is copy of Superman? Ohh.. it must be Caps ice breath. No, it must be the heat vision. Wait, wait, it must be the X-ray vision and being an alien like Superman. You say hes a copy of Supes only because hes a flying powerhouse. Thats about all they have in common. Supes can beat Cap just as Cap can beat Supes. However Cap should always have a slight edge due to him being magical based.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And according to DC cannon, WW is the only other person on Earth who can match Superman's Strength. While Captain Marvel is the only other person who can Match Superman's Invulnerability.

Cap can and has matched Supes in strength as well.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Marvel is copy of Superman? Ohh.. it must be Caps ice breath. No, it must be the heat vision. Wait, wait, it must be the X-ray vision and being an alien like Superman. You say hes a copy of Supes only because hes a flying powerhouse. Thats about all they have in common. Supes can beat Cap just as Cap can beat Supes. However Cap should always have a slight edge due to him being magical based.

It seems like the official story from DC is that Captain Marvel is a Superman imitator. "Clash" even has Cap admitting it himself. But is that the real story ? Let's see... Superman was created first...but that's about it. Who was first to have a bald headed mad scientist for an enemy? Captain Marvel. Dr Sivana appeared in Cap's first story. Luther didn't appear until late 1940, months later, and he had a full head of red hair. It was only after Sivana became so popular with readers did DC make Luthor bald to copy him. Who flew first ? Captain Marvel was flying under his own power very early on while Superman was still only leaping an eighth of a mile. DC copied Fawcett again. Cap was also completely invunerable before Superman was... so DC had to do Fawcett one better by giving Superman super-senses. Capt Marvel Jr and Mary Marvel were created years before Superboy and Supergirl. Heck, even Hoppy the Marvel Bunny appeared before Krypto the Superdog! The classic SUPERMAN THE MOVIE seems to have borrowed from Captain Marvel as well as Superman comics: After Krypton explodes, Jor El becomes very much a Shazam like spirit who counsels Superman in a Fortress that is reminiscent of the Rock of Eternity. Miss Teschmacher is much closer to Beautia than any Superman comic book character. Even Otis seems more like a henchman you'd find in a Capt Marvel adventure. And just who was the very first comic book superhero to fly across the silver screen in live action. Not Superman, who made his live action debut in 1948...it was Captain Marvel in the classic Republic serial of 1941. In the 1970s, Clark Kent became a TV reporter in the comics. Billy Batson had been a TV reporter since the 1950s (and a radio reporter before that). I don't see how Capt Marvel is a Superman imitator...what I see is Superman wanting to be just like Captain Marvel... and THOSE are the FACTS !!

Originally posted by jrodslam
That may be confusing to some readers. If both were using their full strength to do something, Superman is stronger by Womder Woman by a decent amount. However, they wouldnt be using all their full strength in a fight, so it would seem as if they are roughly eaquals. Have they ever been in a test of strength against each other? I know Cap and Supes have more than once and its been said that they are too equal or evenly matched. Someone once told Supes that he was stronger than Cap and Supes denied it.




The exact thing can be said about Cap. Some would even say that Cap is more durable than Supes.



Marvel is copy of Superman? Ohh.. it must be Caps ice breath. No, it must be the heat vision. Wait, wait, it must be the X-ray vision and being an alien like Superman. You say hes a copy of Supes only because hes a flying powerhouse. Thats about all they have in common. Supes can beat Cap just as Cap can beat Supes. However Cap should always have a slight edge due to him being magical based.



Cap can and has matched Supes in strength as well.

Originally posted by Milkie
It seems like the official story from DC is that Captain Marvel is a Superman imitator. "Clash" even has Cap admitting it himself. But is that the real story ? Let's see... Superman was created first...but that's about it. Who was first to have a bald headed mad scientist for an enemy? Captain Marvel. Dr Sivana appeared in Cap's first story. Luther didn't appear until late 1940, months later, and he had a full head of red hair. It was only after Sivana became so popular with readers did DC make Luthor bald to copy him. Who flew first ? Captain Marvel was flying under his own power very early on while Superman was still only leaping an eighth of a mile. DC copied Fawcett again. Cap was also completely invunerable before Superman was... so DC had to do Fawcett one better by giving Superman super-senses. Capt Marvel Jr and Mary Marvel were created years before Superboy and Supergirl. Heck, even Hoppy the Marvel Bunny appeared before Krypto the Superdog! The classic SUPERMAN THE MOVIE seems to have borrowed from Captain Marvel as well as Superman comics: After Krypton explodes, Jor El becomes very much a Shazam like spirit who counsels Superman in a Fortress that is reminiscent of the Rock of Eternity. Miss Teschmacher is much closer to Beautia than any Superman comic book character. Even Otis seems more like a henchman you'd find in a Capt Marvel adventure. And just who was the very first comic book superhero to fly across the silver screen in live action. Not Superman, who made his live action debut in 1948...it was Captain Marvel in the classic Republic serial of 1941. In the 1970s, Clark Kent became a TV reporter in the comics. Billy Batson had been a TV reporter since the 1950s (and a radio reporter before that). I don't see how Capt Marvel is a Superman imitator...what I see is Superman wanting to be just like Captain Marvel... and THOSE are the FACTS !!

Let me guess... Wikipedia?

Originally posted by batdude123
Let me guess... Wikipedia?
That grammar isn't wiki quality.

To Batdude123

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