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who wins?

Firelord

Put my vote in for Firelord

Is it Extremis Iron Man?!?

Originally posted by Validus
Is it Extremis Iron Man?!?
Does it matter?Firelord dawgs him lite.

Originally posted by Skeets
Does it matter?Firelord dawgs him lite. Co-sign

Originally posted by Skeets
Does it matter?Firelord dawgs him lite.
Well Extremis Iron Man would speedblitz him at Mach 3 and melt him with heat at 10,000 degrees kelvin.

Firelord melted ya right. Firelord would melt Irom Man to molten liquid.

Originally posted by Validus
Well Extremis Iron Man would speedblitz him at Mach 3 and melt him with heat at 10,000 degrees kelvin. Heat?

Have you thought that through yet?

Any firelord except the one in that *sigh* spider man comic should win easily. My god that was one of the worst comics Ive ever read....

Originally posted by Psyquis52
Heat?

Have you thought that through yet?
weep

Originally posted by Validus
Well Extremis Iron Man would speedblitz him at Mach 3 and melt him with heat at 10,000 degrees kelvin.
Mach 3 is pretty Fast...
Shit Firelord gets beat then.
Are you certain Ironman can go that fast?

Tony beats firelord 10/10 without his armor.

Originally posted by Skeets
Mach 3 is pretty Fast...
Shit Firelord gets beat then.
Are you certain Ironman can go that fast?
He was going Mach 3 when he defeated the all powerful Graviton.

Originally posted by Validus
He was going Mach 3 when he defeated the all powerful Graviton.
So Tony was busting those crazy stupid moves?

Validus, are you going to ALWAYS go for the losers on threads now?

Originally posted by batdude123
Validus, are you going to ALWAYS go for the losers on threads now?

Originally posted by Skeets
So Tony was busting those crazy stupid moves?
Indeed he was. If EXTREMIS Iron Man can speedblitz the master of gravity, Firelord is in trouble.

Originally posted by batdude123
Validus, are you going to ALWAYS go for the losers on threads now?
Dosnt he always stick up for Batman

Originally posted by batdude123
Validus, are you going to ALWAYS go for the losers on threads now?
Didn't I say to wipe your nose?

Originally posted by batdude123
Validus, are you going to ALWAYS go for the losers on threads now?
Hey, I'm not the one saying Batman with the mother box can take down Abraxas.

In a recent comic, Ironman was stated as going Mach 8.7. Which is yep. pretty damn fast. Iron Man took off from right next to Sentry, Next Panel sentry says man iron man moves fast. within 2 panels from that, sentry had knocked ironman out... i mean, iron man's fast.. but sentry's the go to guy...

btw. firelord is herald class... he SHOULDN'T lose to iron man. but stuff like that has happened before. herald class fighting earthbound characters for some odd reason. ironman should lose. but i can't say he would. not with the.. i summon all my other suits... card iron man recently used against the super adaptoid.

My vote is firelord should win. but it won't be easy given ironman's track record. firelord takes 6-7 out of take. but it is definitely not a cake walk..
and if ironman gets to summon his other suits.. iron man takes it 6-7 out of 10. sheer numbers.. and decent firepower in each. :/

Originally posted by Validus
Hey, I'm not the one saying Batman with the mother box can take down Abraxas.

But I am!!!!!!

No, but seriously... Batman would lose. I was unsure of the complete power of the motherbox.

Anyway... what's the dealio?

Iron Man has fought Silver Surfer to a stalemate, so I think that he should be able to hang with FL for awhile.

Ultimately, FL takes it.

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Iron Man has fought Silver Surfer to a stalemate, so I think that he should be able to hang with FL for awhile.

Ultimately, FL takes it.
That was before he got the EXTREMIS armor. He definitely would take Surfer now.

Originally posted by Validus
That was before he got the EXTREMIS armor. He definitely would take Surfer now.


Validus, your words are filled with wisdom and truth. Iron Man more then likely takes the wins here folks, Extremis is just all that.

Ironman gets his Firlord buster suit..

I didn't take Extremis into account.

With Extremis, I think the victor is obvious.

For Iron Man to beat Firelord. You must also assume that Iron Man could beat Thor. A herald level character... You are also putting Extremis Iron Man on Herald level.

The collective fubared Iron Man. Sentry went toe to toe.

Firelord uses his power cosmic to matter manipulative all the metal on iron man into putty.

See thats what would really happen. Surfer with CIS loses. Firelord with CIS or PIS loses. Their true power would kill ironman.

Too bad Firelord doesn't have matter manipulation.

He wins but not by that method.

He has the power cosmic. The power cosmic by definitey gives matter manipulation.

Originally posted by rotiart
He has the power cosmic. The power cosmic by definitey gives matter manipulation.
No it doesn't. The power cosmic gives certain abilties depending on what Galactus chooses. Galactus gave FIRElord the ability to control fire. Notice he's never shown matter manipulation?

When surfer first showed up he never used matter manipulation either.

Thanos never showed healing powers or reality alteration until recently either.

why is that I wonder. Cause they are hardly used characters?

Let us ponder that one.

Originally posted by rotiart
When surfer first showed up he never used matter manipulation either.

Thanos never showed healing powers or reality alteration until recently either.

why is that I wonder. Cause they are hardly used characters?

Let us ponder that one.
Well the general rule of thumb is that if a character has never exhibited such a power they don't have it. Otherwise I could argue Cyclops could manipulate matter.

However, the fact is not all heralds have the same power.

One Firelord destroys the Planet and Iron Man on it. Two he melts Iron Man is make him a chest plate. http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-firelord.html

Originally posted by Validus
Well Extremis Iron Man would speedblitz him at Mach 3 and melt him with heat at 10,000 degrees kelvin.

You're not funny...

Intelligence: Above Normal (5/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 50 (8/12)
Flight Speed: Warp Speed (12/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Godlike (13/14)
Agility: Enhanced Human (5/7)
Reflexes: Enhanced Human (5/7)
Fighting Skills: Xandarian Nova Corps combat training
Special Skills/Abilities: Knowledge of advanced alien technology and space navigation
Superhuman physical powers: The ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire, making him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun, and allowing him to project any form of energy possessed by a star, including heat, light, gravity, radio waves and charged particles; the ability to fly at near light speeds through interstellar space and traverse hyperspace; and near total physical invulnerability

Now, not forgetting he can charge up his Class 50 strength via Power Cosmic like all the heralds, IM can't do shit to FL.
During the Infinity Crusade, Pyreus Kril fought SS to a stalemate and forced Surfer to use more power than he tought should be needed for the battle.
Surfer understimated Firelord's power and strength, and was even speedblitzed while flying in space.
IM is an ant compared to FL.
And before Spider-Man's fanboys who jerk them off on the comic come in saying:
Spidey beat him!Spidey pwns him!
That comic is one of the greatest piece of crap in comic books history.

Originally posted by Validus
No it doesn't. The power cosmic gives certain abilties depending on what Galactus chooses. Galactus gave FIRElord the ability to control fire. Notice he's never shown matter manipulation?

Wrong Galactus gave Firelord the power cosmic and Firelord wanted to use fire as his energy of choice. He can in fact manipulate many forms of energy.

And people IM EXTREMIS or not, will not and cannot stalmate Silver Surfer, nor can he win against Firelord. Granted IM is extremely formidable and will put up a great fight, but Firelord is just to powerful.

And Firelord by the way can move at near light speeds, so forget speed blitzing.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Any firelord except the one in that *sigh* spider man comic should win easily. My god that was one of the worst comics Ive ever read....

Go read it again... it was perfectly logical (as in "comic logic"

Damn i hope they give some of the other heralds some shine in the main Annihilation mini.
Firelord needs to be able to beat some of the top tiers.
His new look is just so cool.

Though the fact that Giffen sees him as a flaming Guy Gardener tells me that he didn't read anything with Firelord in it before, and Marvel really isn't making its writers do any kind of backstory research. Shitty is Quesada.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Wrong Galactus gave Firelord the power cosmic and Firelord wanted to use fire as his energy of choice. He can in fact manipulate many forms of energy.

This is why everyone says heralds are overrated.

Prove me that Firelord can manipulate matter on any scale.

Umm, FL is a herald.

Originally posted by Validus
This is why everyone says heralds are overrated.

Prove me that Firelord can manipulate matter on any scale.

He hasn't. But the potential is there. Different heralds apply the pc differently. Surfer is going to be the most versatile, since he's the main one.
But the potential is easily there.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He hasn't. But the potential is there. Different heralds apply the pc differently. Surfer is going to be the most versatile, since he's the main one.
But the potential is easily there.
Potential doesn't mean squat on the forum. If Firelord has never applied the PC in such a way, why do we assume he would now? If that was the case, individualizing the heralds in Vs topics would be useless because according to some they all have exact same power set.

FL does'nt need matter manipulation to utterly destroy IM. 1 blast and IM is a puddle of molten metal and ash.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Go read it again... it was perfectly logical (as in "comic logic"
No, no, no I wont read it again. Its packed away in my box of non sense comics(along with the hulkbuster kick and Supes comics ) I wont read it again

Originally posted by UniOmni
He hasn't. But the potential is there. Different heralds apply the pc differently. Surfer is going to be the most versatile, since he's the main one.
But the potential is easily there.


Potential?

Potential is baseless.

Just because a character hasn't done a particular feat yet in a comic doesn't necessarily mean that he has the "potential" to do it.

Given FL's history and being a herald, if he could truly manipulate matter, I'm sure that the comics would've definitely shown that he has that ability by now. Since he hasn't accomplished that feat yet, I'm going with the assumption that he can't manipulate matter.

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Potential?

Potential is baseless.

Just because a character hasn't done a particular feat yet in a comic doesn't necessarily mean that he has the "potential" to do it.

Given FL's history and being a herald, if he could truly manipulate matter, I'm sure that the comics would've definitely shown that he has that ability by now. Since he hasn't accomplished that feat yet, I'm going with the assumption that he can't manipulate matter.

I never said he can or would. But the potential is there. I maintain that position.

Kril FTW

Stark winning? It's a joke, right?
The Heralds need a respect thread, I think...

Originally posted by Val
Potential doesn't mean squat on the forum. If Firelord has never applied the PC in such a way, why do we assume he would now? If that was the case, individualizing the heralds in Vs topics would be useless because according to some they all have exact same power set.

i know this is from a long time ago, but i agree

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Stark winning? It's a joke, right?
The Heralds need a respect thread, I think...

The heralds do have a respect thread. Firelord still doesn't deserve respect ermm

Pyreus

Firelord kill Stark 10/10

If someone stated a specific Green Lantern couldn't create force fileds or giant fists, and challenged you to show scans of him doing it, you'd probably be inclined not to take him seriously

Shown on panel or not, Firelord like every other bearer of the Power Cosmic, can easily manipulate matter. I'd doubt he posseses the skill at it that the Silver Surfer has but I thought it wass common knowledge he could.

Firelord 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000/10

each herald is different, as is the level of control and overall level of power they were granted. there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that every herald could control matter. the rings we KNOW grant the same abilities and are different based soley on willpower. the power cosmic does not operate that way, nor are all granted the same level of it.

could FL POSSIBLY do it? sure, i guess. frankly it's a silly stance to take however given that no evidence suggests it.

Ironman beat Spidey beat Firelord.

Simple logic.

Originally posted by Soljer
Ironman beat Spidey beat Firelord.

Simple logic. w00t

Originally posted by Soljer
Ironman beat Spidey beat Firelord.

Simple logic.




That settles it, Iron Man is the clear WINNER!

While Firelord is indeed an Herald, not all Heralds are on the level of Surfer, and Firelord has shown this time and again... far from it if you ask me.

Firelord has had so many poor showings. Nova (Frankie Ray) outclassed him as a Herald, Spiderman Ko'ed him, he looked like a light weight in Anihilation, he isn't even class 100, he runs at half that. Ravenous knocked him for a loop, Hercules broke his jaw with one hit.

Sorry to go against the grain but what we have here is Johnny Storm with class 50 strength, and unless he slags Ironman in the first few seconds of combat, Firelord is taking yet another nap.