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Which team wins?

WW/MM ftw.

MM WW for the win.

He could align himself with her as he did before when she was dying. This time fusing his strength and abilities with hers. I dont know why he's never done it with anyone else. Maybe he just wanted to get in her.

I want to say BA/CM but its gonna be MM and WW!

Marvel has proved superior to Jonn on two occasions.
Once by himself, and another time when he faced Jonn, WW, Warrior and someone else i forget.
Jonn isn't a factor here. And WW can't take CM and BA at once.

Its debateable that she can even take them on one at a time.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Marvel has proved superior to Jonn on two occasions.
Once by himself, and another time when he faced Jonn, WW, Warrior and someone else i forget.
Jonn isn't a factor here. And WW can't take CM and BA at once.

Its debateable that she can even take them on one at a time.

She can't. But that's besides the point.

Are you sure Jonn is Captain Marvel/Black Adam's inferior?

Isn't the Manhunter usually considered superior to the big red and blue? Who is more or less an equal of Cap Marvel or Black Adam?

Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Manhunter has proven to be superiour to Marvel in his own book.

Too many damn powers the guy has. J'onn can go the simple route and telepathically force the duo to say the word "Shazam"....

Originally posted by Soljer
She can't. But that's besides the point.

Are you sure Jonn is Captain Marvel/Black Adam's inferior?

Isn't the Manhunter usually considered superior to the big red and blue? Who is more or less an equal of Cap Marvel or Black Adam?

Superman is always portrayed as MM's superior. Don't really know where you came up with that one. Doomsday even stated that Martian Manhunter is no Superman.

J'ONN can go immaterial and sudue both of them with his mind powers.

Originally posted by Soljer
She can't. But that's besides the point.

Are you sure Jonn is Captain Marvel/Black Adam's inferior?

Isn't the Manhunter usually considered superior to the big red and blue? Who is more or less an equal of Cap Marvel or Black Adam?

Dont' even start that she can't crap. that's bull and you know it. She took supes one on one. Why not one of his lame imitators?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' even start that she can't crap. that's bull and you know it. She took supes one on one. Why not one of his lame imitators?

Lame imitators? We're gonna throw around insults at fictitious comic book characters? Okay...

Where is Milkie, or whoever it was that had all the Captain Marvel information. Marvel is quite a bit cooler than Superman, and was put on hold because he was beating out superman in the sales. In fact, Superman imitated MARVEL to catch back up. Get over it.

Anyways.

Go back and read the Black Adam/Wonder Woman thread, apparently you missed something.

Black Adam is Wonder Woman's superior.

Originally posted by Draco69
Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Manhunter has proven to be superiour to Marvel in his own book.

Too many damn powers the guy has. J'onn can go the simple route and telepathically force the duo to say the word "Shazam"....

Cap has proven above Jonn on occasion as well though.

And the number of powers has never helped Jonn against Superman and his ilk.

WW and MM smoke these fools and badly I might add.

Originally posted by Soljer
Lame imitators? We're gonna throw around insults at fictitious comic book characters? Okay...

Where is Milkie, or whoever it was that had all the Captain Marvel information. Marvel is quite a bit cooler than Superman, and was put on hold because he was beating out superman in the sales. In fact, Superman imitated MARVEL to catch back up. Get over it.

Anyways.

Go back and read the Black Adam/Wonder Woman thread, apparently you missed something.

Black Adam is Wonder Woman's superior.

Milkie isn't a reliable source....

Anyhoo. Believe what you want. The crux of the issue is that Diana's partner is being who can make them turn back to their human forms with a thought. Diana can also just give J'onn her lasso, turn invisible and intangible and have the lasso "reveal their true forms". Which is a little boy and Arab would-be car bomber...

With a thought??
Willpower has no sway here then??
Thats how Superman gets by alot.
Not good enough for the Shazams?

Originally posted by Soljer
Lame imitators? We're gonna throw around insults at fictitious comic book characters? Okay...

Where is Milkie, or whoever it was that had all the Captain Marvel information. Marvel is quite a bit cooler than Superman, and was put on hold because he was beating out superman in the sales. In fact, Superman imitated MARVEL to catch back up. Get over it.

Anyways.

Go back and read the Black Adam/Wonder Woman thread, apparently you missed something.

Black Adam is Wonder Woman's superior.

Actually the BA thread was BS. She wasn't allowed her weapons and no one could agree on her strength. But according to her stats and superman's stats in brother eye, her stregnth was a1 and his was a1. Ooops. I guess BA isn't all that much of a match for her when you add in her weapons.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Cap has proven above Jonn on occasion as well though.

And the number of powers has never helped Jonn against Superman and his ilk.

Did you read the Fernus storyline? He smoked the entire League. That's J'onn at his full potential, not jobbing and with PIS/CIS.

He was schooling Superman. He even made his goddamn dog eat Atom.


MM is above Marvel in my opinion. Believe what you want that Marvel MAY be superior in strength and speed. But for heaven's sake when it comes to sheer verstality, MM takes it in spades.

He even has this ridiculous wish-giving power....

Originally posted by Draco69
Milkie isn't a reliable source....

Anyhoo. Believe what you want. The crux of the issue is that Diana's partner is being who can make them turn back to their human forms with a thought. Diana can also just give J'onn her lasso, turn invisible and intangible and have the lasso "reveal their true forms". Which is a little boy and Arab would-be car bomber...

I wasn't implying that the SHAZAM two would be able to win the fight. Just that Manhunter is the deciding factor here.

Originally posted by UniOmni
With a thought??
Willpower has no sway here then??
Thats how Superman gets by alot.
Not good enough for the Shazams?

Nope. Martian Manhunter has telepathically combated Mageddon, the Angels themselves and 700 other Martians by himself.

A non-PIS/CIS MM would devolve them to a fetus like he did to Despero...

Originally posted by Soljer
I wasn't implying that the SHAZAM two would be able to win the fight. Just that Manhunter is the deciding factor here.

Diana's lasso is also big help. True she can't take them both on (She would like go after Captain Marvel first since he's not nearly as ruthless nor skilled nor bright for that matter as Black Adam

BA and CM get beaten in 1 minute tops. MM and WW have too many mind controlling will power bending abilities to loose. You add in the fact that MM and WW have more powers and abilities than the other two and they are gonna lose bad.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
BA and CM get beaten in 1 minute tops. MM and WW have too many minD controlling will power bending aBilities to loose. You ADd in the fact that MM and WW have more powers and abilities than the other two and they are gonna lose BAD.



Like REALLY BAD

Add that up and its still BAD

Originally posted by Draco69
Did you read the Fernus storyline? He smoked the entire League. That's J'onn at his full potential, not jobbing and with PIS/CIS.

He was schooling Superman. He even made his goddamn dog eat Atom.


MM is above Marvel in my opinion. Believe what you want that Marvel MAY be superior in strength and speed. But for heaven's sake when it comes to sheer verstality, MM takes it in spades.

He even has this ridiculous wish-giving power....

See, THAT'S where I got that from.

Doesn't the Manhunter beat out Superman for a majority?

Originally posted by Soleran
Like REALLY BAD

Add that up and its still BAD

Do we all remember how badly Superman was loosing to Protex until Supes went underground to the fire? MM doesn't have that particular weakness anymore. And BA nor CM is outpunching superman. And WW is the best fighter of the bunch. With all of Superman's Stats according to brother eye except for flight. He was a1, she was a2. CM and BA will know peace in Death.

Originally posted by Soljer
See, THAT'S where I got that from.

Doesn't the Manhunter beat out Superman for a majority?

In comics? No. Character shield...

Using logic on this forum? Yes, MM should certainly take his share of battles...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Do we all remember how badly Superman was loosing to Protex until Supes went underground to the fire? MM doesn't have that particular weakness anymore. And BA nor CM is outpunching superman. And WW is the best fighter of the bunch. With all of Superman's Stats according to brother eye except for flight. He was a1, she was a2. CM and BA will know peace in Death.

Manhunter will always be susceptible to fire as long as DC prints Superman comics.
They can't let the one guy more powerful than Superman, lose the only weakness he has and Superman can deliver.

And i repeat.

Manhunters ability list never comes into play when facing a kryptonian.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Manhunter will always be susceptible to fire as long as DC prints Superman comics.
They can't let the one guy more powerful than Superman, lose the only weakness he has and Superman can deliver.

And i repeat.

Manhunters ability list never comes into play when facing a kryptonian.

Yep...a shame...

Originally posted by UniOmni
Manhunter will always be susceptible to fire as long as DC prints Superman comics.
They can't let the one guy more powerful than Superman, lose the only weakness he has and Superman can deliver.

And i repeat.

Manhunters ability list never comes into play when facing a kryptonian.

So true. What is up with that? MM can mind swipe 700 martain TP's but can't subdue Supergirl? WTF.

WW fought a Daxamite and lived to tell the story. Superman has had his jaw broken by a Daxamite. Why are we questioning this battle? Seriously can any of the Shazam fans give us a plausible reason the lighting boys should win?

Are we all pumped for the new Captain Marvel comic?

Lord knows, Judd Winick will diagnose Mary Marvel with AIDS, Freddy Freedman will be a man-whore and Billy Batson will have unresolved issues with child molestation....

Yep, Juudddd Winick....

The poor Marvel Family....

At least they get an ontime writer. Allan Geinsburg is brilliant...but writes slower than a person with ADD. He can't blame the artist this time. Dodson has consistantly been a fast penciler....

CM and BA win with ease. WW is the weak link here.

Superman wasn't really losing that badly. Kal-El did not use his heat vision on Protex to make it fair. Protex didn't play it fair and used his shape-shifting prowess to overwhelm big blue. In the end the boy scout got tired and gave Protex the heart of earth and then punded him out of comission.

Edit: IMO MM/WW win it simply because of their versatility and WW's skills.

Originally posted by badabing
CM and BA win with ease. WW is the weak link here.

Um. How? Why does everyone assume that one punch puts her down?

Put down the rose-colored glasses. Disregarding the issue of strength or speed (because nobody agrees...) Diana has several weapons of lore capable of defeating them not to mention she's vastly more skilled than both of them....combined.

Not to mention their magical attacks will be like trying to put out a fire with peadropper...

Diana isn't Superman. Their attacks will be severely dampned against her. Especially Captain Marvel. His attacks utilize the very powers that give strength to Diana.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Superman wasn't really losing that badly. Kal-El did not use his heat vision on Protex to make it fair. Protex didn't play it fair and used his shape-shifting prowess to overwhelm big blue. In the end the boy scout got tired and gave Protex the heart of earth and then punded him out of comission.

Edit: IMO MM/WW win it simply because of their versatility and WW's skills.


Which made no sense. Protex is vulnerable to raw, naked flame...

There's no fire in the center of the Earth! It's just magma! Martians aren't vulnerable magma anymore than they are vulnerable to laser beams. It's not the heat. It's the actual flames of fire...

Stupid writing...even though the rest of the arc rocked.

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. How? Why does everyone assume that one punch puts her down?

Put down the rose-colored glasses. Disregarding the issue of strength or speed (because nobody agrees...) Diana has several weapons of lore capable of defeating them not to mention she's vastly more skilled than both of them....combined.

Not to mention their magical attacks will be like trying to put out a fire with peadropper...

Diana isn't Superman. Their attacks will be severely dampned against her. Especially Captain Marvel. His attacks utilize the very powers that give strength to Diana.
I was just getting you back for ripping apart the Marvel Family.

Originally posted by badabing
CM and BA win with ease. WW is the weak link here.

Surely you just. You probably dont' have every single appearance of WW like some of us. So we will count your statement as pure ignorance.

I loved that story arc.

Protex about Batman: "He's just one man!"

Supes: "The most...dangerous man on Earth"

Then followed with Kyle's great line to Batman after watching the Dark Knight drag along 4 manhunters: "Only four of them? You're slowing down."

Originally posted by Draco69
Are we all pumped for the new Captain Marvel comic?

Lord knows, Judd Winick will diagnose Mary Marvel with AIDS, Freddy Freedman will be a man-whore and Billy Batson will have unresolved issues with child molestation....

Yep, Juudddd Winick....

The poor Marvel Family....

At least they get an ontime writer. Allan Geinsburg is brilliant...but writes slower than a person with ADD. He can't blame the artist this time. Dodson has consistantly been a fast penciler....
Winick wrote the awesome Superman/Shazam mini last year. I have faith in Trials.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Manhunter will always be susceptible to fire as long as DC prints Superman comics.
They can't let the one guy more powerful than Superman, lose the only weakness he has and Superman can deliver.

And i repeat.

Manhunters ability list never comes into play when facing a kryptonian.
Superman said J'onn didn't have the fire weakness in the last Superman/Batman comic. That's right, Superman/Batman.

MM & WW win this. Non jobbing Manhunter isn't losing to any brick.