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Combatants: Darth Maul at the peak of his potential (TPM) versus Kit Fisto prior to his death in ROTS, and Anakin as seen in AOTC.

Setting: Tatooine, Out front of Jabba's Palace.

This time, I'm sure it wasn't done before, and I didn't even search, so fight on...

While Kit Fisto may not be as good Qui-Gon Jinn, he is not as much worse as Anakin is better than Padawan Obi-wan. So while Maul puts up one hell of a fight, he falls taking Fisto down with him.

Originally posted by John!attheDisco
While Kit Fisto may not be as good Qui-Gon Jinn, he is not as much worse as Anakin is better than Padawan Obi-wan. So while Maul puts up one hell of a fight, he falls taking Fisto down with him.

That analogy could work if Darth Maul weren't more powerful than Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan combined. And you'd have to prove how AOTC Anakin > TPM Kenobi anyways.

AOTC Anakin has more anger than TPM and though that lead to leaving yourself open, that's not as much of an issue in a 2 on 1 fight, as the one will have to deal with the other of the pair's attacks. Maul is stronger than Qui-Gon, but whats not to say he'd be on the brink of killing Anakin, but taunt him instead?

Originally posted by John!attheDisco
AOTC Anakin has more anger than TPM

Okay? How is that necessarily a good thing? He's also more headstrong, foolhardy, and quite simply an idiot. He doesn't have the power/control to make up for the anger like he does in ROTS.

"We go in toge--"
"1'M T4K1N6 H1M NE00!!!!///!!!!"

*Pwned by Force lightning*

"Ahh."

And because in AOTC, we know Anakin likes to lead the offensive, that's going to be hard considering Jinn and Kenobi attacked on the offensive, and the outcome was this:

"...their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate. "



Retype that sentence, I didn't quite understand what you meant. But, anyways, you'd also have to think about how well Kit Fisto and Anakin would even mesh together as a team, that's always something to consider. And given that Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan gave it their all in the opening of the fight, and it wasn't enough - I'm going to say Kit Fisto and Anakin, who aren't a coordinated duo, don't even have as much success:

"So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly I discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution."

Which really wasn't a sucess at all, as you can see.



Uh, because there's no shafts for Anakin to fall down? Same reason he didn't "taunt" Qui-Gon (because Qui-Gon wasn't hanging from a shaft).

They are out front of Sir Jabba thy Hutteth, the Third's Palace. There's nothing to fall into, so we can't just ass-ume Maul will taunt Anakin or even Kit Fisto.

Is there even any proof that Maul is better than Kit Fisto?

Originally posted by Advent
Retype that sentence, I didn't quite understand what you meant.

Anakin would be stronger than Obi-wan with his anger, and being angry can lead to foolish mistakes, like leaving yourself open. It's less likely Maul would be able capitalize on it because he would have to deal with Fisto.

Originally posted by John!attheDisco
Anakin would be stronger than Obi-wan with his anger,

Still waiting for proof on that.



How can you say that? Maul was able to defend against two Jedi at once, and I highly doubt either Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan were leaving themselves open. If they were, they would've been killed. Notice Maul, when they are going two on one, is literally beating the brains out of both of them.

I mean, when Kenobi jumped behind him, he blocked his attack while not even looking. He jump kicked Qui-Gon while defending against both of them. He kicked Kenobi, and literally knocked him back ten feet. He pushed Qui-Gon away with just sheer Force, and did the same to Kenobi immediately after. And, gave a spin kick to Kenobi, and he fell down to a completely different platform.

Now any one of those could've been fatal if either Kenobi or Jinn left themselves open, as Anakin would do. So, what do you mean "capitalize" when he was able to capitalize on opponents that were guarding themselves, and fighting smart - not aimlessly as Anakin tends to do.

And then there's still the fact that Kit Fisto and Anakin as aren't coordinated as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, who still failed as a team, despite working together for years. And, if you didn't notice the part of my previous post where I said this, you should check it out, because "their best efforts" weren't enough.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Is there even any proof that Maul is better than Kit Fisto?

#1. Qui Gonn sucked
#2. TPM Obiwan wasn't yet in his prime
#3. Use logical deduction to prove Maul>Kit Fisto, unless Kit Fisto>Obiwan and Qui Gonn
#4. ROTS Obiwan is in his prime, and I'd say that's when he would be able to take down Maul. I wonder if that has been done before.

?

Actually OT Obi-Wan was in his prime.

Originally posted by General Kon-El
Actually OT Obi-Wan was in his prime.


Really, from the looks of it ROTS Obiwan was in his prime. Perhaps in terms of the force, it was OT Vader, but in saber abilities and mobility, it was ROTS.

Beware Motoko's beat down, it will come fast and strong.


Anyway...

Maul gets overwhelmed by the duo. Though of course...


This is the perfect setting for Maul's style, lots of room. So if he manages to barely keep out of reach of the duo and basicluy play smart, he wins.


The duo wins 6/10

Maul.

Maul was able to almost overwhelm Sidious, who, if I remember correctly, punked Fisto in about three seconds.

Also, Maul has a definite terrain advantage. Being Maul, he won't get tired... Maul>Fatigue.
Kit, however, while he seemed to do okay on Geonisis, is still a fish-man. After the constant beating Maul will give him, he'll get tired (like Qui Gon did), and dry out possibly. Qui Gon was described as the best duelist Obi Wan had ever seen and, also, on par with Mace Windu. Still, Maul showed him a thrashing.
Also, Maul is great at fighting multiple targets, as seen in TPM, those four comics, and possibly Shadow Hunter (I haven't read it yet, I'm not sure I will). Also, Kit Fisto and Anakin have no previous track record, and it is very likely that they couldn't coordinate their attacks at all, nevermind as well as Obi Wan and Qui Gon.

A few last things(my opinions):
Qui Gon> Kit.
Obi Wan is about equal to Anakin, I mean, he was just days away from being a Knight during him TPM days.
Obi Wan and Qui Gon's synergy >>> Kit and Anakins' synergy.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Kit Fisto is a better Swordfighter than AOTC Obi-Wan, as Obi-Wan says himself in Cestus Deception.

RX-127]: What is your primary objective?
ADV-12-VENT]: Destroy all Kit Fisto Fanboys.

Actually, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Qui-Gon Jinn > AOTC Obi-Wan.



Kit Fisto isn't on par with Qui-Gon Jinn. So yes, he'll put up less of a fight than Jinn, but sadly it will not be good enough.



Wrong again, Meddie-boy.

" He struck at the Sith Lord with his lightsaber as if his own safety meant nothing, lost in a red haze of rage and frustration, consumed by his grief for Qui-Gon and his failure to prevent his friend's fall. The Sith Lord was borne backward by the Jedi Knight's initial rush, caught off guard by the other's wild assault, " - From the TPM novelization.

"The dark warrior, Darth Maul, used his incredible speed, rage and his double-ended lightsaber to fend off both Jedi. " - from the databank.

Now, as you can see it was Darth Maul's speed that kept Obi-Wan and Jinn away. And Kenobi was only able to keep up because Maul didn't expect Obi-Wan to give into his anger, and attack like a mad man - the novel makes that clear. I doubt Kit Fisto will give into his anger (i.e. the Dark side) to attack Maul.

So, if you're done making shit up, we'll move on.



And Darth Maul is faster, more flexible than TPM Obi-Wan as well. Your point? Again, he won't put up as good of a fight as Qui-Gon, but sure he'll put up a nice fight, and die trying.



First, give me the exact quote. Second, in the actual script and novelization "QUI-GON is in a split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before.", and the novel confirms it. Qui-Gon was fighting aggressively, very aggresively, hence "ferocity not seen before". Sadly, the outcome as you know was Qui-Gon slumping across the floor in a heap.



More bullshit?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/3830/justinwhitemovingbodyoffisto8p.gif

Fair job my ass. He was only lucky that Sidious went to Agen and Saesee first. "Keeping up" would've included at least making it past where Agen and Saesee died, or hell even just moving away from that area.



Dude, you're an idiot. He didn't keep up with him, and that's no reason to believe he'd be coordinated with Anakin. He's never worked with Anakin, Anakin is also headstrong and foolhardy, and there's no reason to believe they will:

a.) Make a more coordinated duo than Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, who had been working together for years.
b.) Even be a coordinated duo.

With that said, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's best attacks were futile against Darth Maul:

"So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly I discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution."

This gives me reason to believe that neither will Kit Fisto nor Anakin be able to do even close to as good of a job, given we know they aren't coordinated (and they aren't, quite making shit up), and adding to the fact a stronger duo's best efforts weren't enough, so why would Fisto and Anakin's?

We bring up the fact that Anakin is a foolhardy, headstrong, and quite simply an idiot. We know because of this, he'll often leave himself open to an attack, which means that Maul will probably be able to off him quite easily given this:

"His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blocking their counterattacks, relentlessly searching for an opening in their defense."

Now, since he was "constantly attacking" and " blocking their counterattacks", it's reasonable to believe if he finds that opening in Anakin, which he will if Anakin goes crazy as he probably will, he'll take it at the first opportunity.



Of course you could see them winning, because it's got "Kit Fisto" in the winner's spot. However, that will not happen. Maul wins.

Excellent job as usual, jollyjim, I must say. I was going to bring up the Sidious thing, but I forget what it happened in - do you know?

Qui Gonn was stronger than AOTC Obiwan? Wow.. From the looks if it TPM Obiwan was already a better dueler.. But hey what do I know.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Qui Gonn was stronger than AOTC Obiwan? Wow.. From the looks if it TPM Obiwan was already a better dueler.. But hey what do I know.

Actually, Qui-Gon was a far better fighter than Obi-Wan in TPM even. How can you say that? He caught Maul off guard by attacking like a madman a la ROTJ Luke (novel/script/even movie confirms that), just because he broke Maul's saber in half doesn't mean he's better than Qui-Gon. And that is really all he did. He got overpowered in the saber lock, Maul - after Obi-Wan's initial attack - was regaining the advantage, and so on.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Obi-Wan managed to defend himself from Maul for the majority of their duel.

No, he didn't. Because he didn't get killed, he kept up with Maul? Lawls. Let's do a recapulation on the two on one:

- Blocked Kenobi's attack while not even looking.
- Jump kicked Qui-Gon while defending against Obi-Wan.
- Kicked Kenobi and knocked him back ten feet (so much he had to run to catch up).
- Pushed Qui-Gon away with just sheer Force.
- Did the same to Kenobi.
- Spin kicked Kenobi and he fell down to a completely different platform.

"their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate. "

Now, how is it that a superior duo's attacks were useless, and they were getting pwned, but he can't do it to Kit Fisto and Anakin? Remember, this isn't a one on one, so stop treating it like it is.



We're not arguing about AOTC Obi-Wan, or TPM Obi-Wan for Kit. Kit Fisto would be the Qui-Gon of the match, and Anakin would be the Kenobi.

So, I don't see how it's relevant that he's superior to TPM Obi-Wan, when he's not superior than Qui-Gon, and AOTC Anakin is at the most equal to TPM Kenobi, though, I'd argue TPM Obi-Wan > AOTC Anakin. Adding to the fact that Qui-Gon Jinn > Kit Fisto.



It says quote exactly, "Anticipating each blow, he was able to elude his antagonist's efforts to bring him down."

This was only because he was attacking like a madman.



You're a L-I-A-R. He didn't become "slightly aggressive", and I quote from the novelization:

"The Sith Lord was borne backward by the Jedi Knight's initial rush, caught off guard by the other's wild assault,"

He was surprised Obi-Wan would tap into his anger, and use it fully, but as you will see two quotes down, he regained composure.

"He struck at the Sith Lord with his lightsaber as if his own safety meant nothing, lost in a red haze of rage and frustration, consumed by his grief for Qui-Gon and his failure to prevent his friend's fall. "

Seems "slightly aggressive" is bullshit, he didn't even care about himself, he was furiated, and was attacking wildly.

And, you'll notice this:

"But Darth Maul was the stronger of the two and was driven by a frenzy that surpassed even the frantic determination that fueled Obi-Wan. Eventually, the Sith Lord began to wear the young Jedi down. Bit by bit, he pressed him back, carrying the attack to him, looking to catch him off guard."

Hm, it seems as if Obi-Wan was going all out crazy during the fight, and once Maul tapped into his true hatred, he "began to wear the young Jedi down".


^
"Slightly aggressive"? Try attacking like a madman. Quit making shit up.




Maul regained control as soon as Obi-Wan breaks his lightsaber in half.



And I'll just meet this with my own quote. "But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi - Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger."

Anyways, what does Fisto being aggressive have to do with anything? Qui-Gon was aggressive, it didn't save him, now did it?




Forms now? Lol. He uses freaking Form I. Younglings know Form I. Darth Maul uses Juyo, which is highly more effective.



"A fierce" what? Either way, this matters not. Actually, none of this matters at all. Qui-Gon in the actual final draft of the script is described as this exactly:

"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a
split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."

Your point? And in the actual novel, he's described as:

"He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. "

: And did any of that save him?

:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1884/qgjdiespb6.th.jpg

: Hell no.




Hyperbolic description. Kit's blade was predicted by Darth Sidious, and it was resisted by Darth Sidious as well. Nevertheless, that's irrelevant - it's hyperbole.



Sense of timing? Lol. Didn't we already have this debate in which I handed you your ass?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/3830/justinwhitemovingbodyoffisto8p.gif

Obviously not good enough, Kit, because guess what? You're dead.



FINAL DRAFT of the script:

"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a
split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."

Your point? And in the actual novel, he's described as:

"He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. "



"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a
split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."

Your point? And in the actual novel, he's described as:

"He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. "



If we saw anything through your eyes, it'd probably be a Kit Fisto porno.



So, because Saesee and Agen died first, and Kit managed to clash sabers with Sidious once, he's coordinated with Mace Windu? And how did he "seem to remain coordinated fairly well". HE DIED IN THE FIRST THREE SECONDS.



Dueling Sidious? I don't call clashing blades one time "dueling". It was a slaughter. And you're saying he kept up with Mace for 2 seconds? Uh, buddy, those 2 seconds were where Agen and Saesee died.

Two seconds and you say he's z0mg coordinated, and so he'll be coordinated with Anakin? This has to be a joke.



What the f*ck are you talking about? They fought together for two seconds! And they didn't do a "fairly good job", as Kit Fisto didn't even move from where they started fighting.



Yes, there is.

1.) Kit Fisto has never worked with Anakin.
2.) Anakin is foolhardy, headstrong, and an idiot.
3.) Anakin wouldn't even listen to his own master.
4.) Anakin wasn't even coordinated with his own master.

Now, tell me why Kit Fisto and Anakin will mesh good together? You can't? Thought so.

Just because he lasted two seconds against Sidious (lol) doesn't mean he "coordinated" with Mace, or even that he will with Anakin.

Cont.



You have offered no proof at all that they will be coordinated other than

"z0mg m4ce n' k1t w3re w0rk1ng t0geth3r for tw0 sec0ndz s0 an4k1n and k1t w1ll be 4n unst0ppab13 du0". You're a fanboy, there's no evidence they will mesh good together. There's actual some contrary to them meshing together.

You have no proof, Medvock, because Kit lasted two seconds with Windu, doesn't mean they were:

a.) Coordinated.
b.) Any good.
c.) Will be good with Anakin.



Yes, he is. And again QUIT COMPARING OBI-WAN TO KIT FISTO, Kit Fisto isn't on par with Qui-Gon Jinn, and Anakin isn't on par with Obi-Wan.

Look, Kit Fisto and AOTC Anakin will never be as coordinated as Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan were in TPM. To assume they would be is ridiculous, and that is what you are doing. They worked together for twenty plus years, they fought together countless times, and neither Fisto or Anakin have ever worked together, ergo they will not be as coordinated, if they even are coordinated.

Now, keeping that in mind:

"So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly I discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution."

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's best efforts weren't good enough. Qui-Gon > Fisto, Obi-Wan > Anakin. And in coordinated Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan >>> Kit Fisto and Anakin, so it's only logical to assume their efforts will be just as futile.




Yes, and that someone was pwned, because it was a stupid point:

Originally posted by Advent
How can you say that? Maul was able to defend against two Jedi at once, and I highly doubt either Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan were leaving themselves open. If they were, they would've been killed. Notice Maul, when they are going two on one, is literally beating the brains out of both of them.

I mean, when Kenobi jumped behind him, he blocked his attack while not even looking. He jump kicked Qui-Gon while defending against both of them. He kicked Kenobi, and literally knocked him back ten feet. He pushed Qui-Gon away with just sheer Force, and did the same to Kenobi immediately after. And, gave a spin kick to Kenobi, and he fell down to a completely different platform.

Now any one of those could've been fatal if either Kenobi or Jinn left themselves open, as Anakin would do. So, what do you mean "capitalize" when he was able to capitalize on opponents that were guarding themselves, and fighting smart - not aimlessly as Anakin tends to do.

And you'll notice he wasn't too busy dealing with both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to search for an opening:

"His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blunting their counterattacks, relentlessly searching for an opening in their defense."

So, quit making stupid assumptions, especially when the novel, and movie trump your idiocy.



Is that the Kit Fisto "bird call"? Please, Medvock, you're a fanboy, and a delusional one at that. Kit Fisto isn't god, and he will be toppled by Maul. Qui-Gon Jinn was on par with TPM Windu, by the way.

Originally posted by Advent


If we saw anything through your eyes, it'd probably be a Kit Fisto porno.

Sama, I know you really want to put Medvock in his place, and, yeah, it's easy cookies to win this debate, but...

"Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Hehehe. I truly feel sorry for you. Nothing you or any other person on this board says will make me change my mind. You are merely continuing an endless debate. "

Yeah, he's a biased fanboy and you're really just proving things to everyone but him. He won't give up.

By the way "I wish people saw that scene through my eyes..."
If we saw anything from your eyes it would be browsing over the forums all day and looking for any threads with Kit in it, and reciting those same quotes from CD, your personal bible, from memory.

this is how the story goes.

Maul:Hey ankian ur going to turn to the darkside, so why not letme be ur b**ch and we can kill that stupid fish.
Anikan:ITS ALL OBI-WAN'S FALUT HES HOLDING ME BACk

*Kit fisto stops to play with a rock on the ground.

Maul:Listen, Ani, i love u. And your all i care about. So please why not let me be ur slave. I mean u are the strongest jedi ever.....and u will be the storngest sith ever to.

Anikano u really mean that?(Starts to look deeply into mauls eyes)

Maul:Of cousre i do.
(both of them turn off there lightsabers, and then apporch each other then hug, followed by three housr of hardcore sex)

*kit fisto walks away, only to be eaten by jabba the hutt 15 mintues later*

*In the middle of the anikan maul sex. mauls dual lightsabbers come one and then they cut a whole in both of there stomcahs and they die*


Fianl verdictRAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Precisely! How else do you describe Kenobi being able to defend himself against Maul?

You said "defend against Maul for the majority of the duel". That was bullshit, and I posted everytime Kenobi got his ass kicked.



Actually, it was due to his arrogance that he lost. He had Obi-Wan beat, this is made apparent in the script and novelization (I'm not counting the movie since a lot of people have different perspectives), and had he not stood over Obi-Wan for a good twenty seconds taunting him, he'd have killed him.

Darth Maul > Obi-Wan on paper.



It seems you misunderstood what I wrote, or you're plainly an idiot. I'll go with the latter.

Explain how a superior duo was getting pwned by Maul, but Kit Fisto and Anakin, a less coordinated duo won't get owned?

Do you understand? Qui-Gon Jinn > Kit Fisto, and TPM Kenobi > AOTC Anakin. So, why will Kit Fisto and Anakin win as a duo, when a more superior duo was getting their asses handed to them?



Actually, it was Maul's

"The Sith Lord he battled with Obi - Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger."

It was Maul being Qui-Gon's superior in lightsaber combat, and being stronger than Qui-Gon himself. Maul is physically stronger than Kit Fisto.



That made no sense. Qui-Gon's more powerful, but Kit Fisto will beat him!



Actually, it doesn't show a thing. It shows that Maul didn't expect Kenobi to attack like a wild dog.



And in your opinion, Kit Fisto would beat Yoda, Vader, Sidious, Inuyasha, Goku, Superman, and so on. So, your opinion is pretty much shit because you're such a fanboy.



Again, I'll just say: Actually, it was due to his arrogance that he lost. He had Obi-Wan beat, this is made apparent in the script and novelization (I'm not counting the movie since a lot of people have different perspectives), and had he not stood over Obi-Wan for a good twenty seconds taunting him, he'd have killed him.

Darth Maul > Obi-Wan on paper.



You're an idiot. Form I is not aggressive. F*cking Jedi Younglings use it. Juyo is more aggressive than Form I. Obi-Wan's form in TPM, Ataru, is more aggressive than Form I.

And Obi-Wan only fought better because he was attacking like a lunatic that just escaped from your basement (and I can't blame him, I would go crazy, too). When Qui-Gon tried to do that, he ended up like so:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/26/qgjdiestu4.th.jpg

Subtitles: "Pwned".

I highly doubt Kit Fisto is going to give into his anger, and attack in complete and utter rage. He'll do what Qui-Gon did, which was attacking very aggressively, and dying.



Yeah, because Form I is a basic form. It's not demanding, it's not advanced, it sucks. Which is why Kit Fisto mastered it, because he, like the form, sucks. "The basics of attack, parry, body target zones, and the practice drills called velocities are all here."

Form I is the basic form, it's not special . . . unlike Juyo, which is the most demanding of all forms.



I never said it was, you idiot. Here's where I first mentioned it:

Originally posted by Advent
Second, in the actual script and novelization "QUI-GON is in a split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before.", and the novel confirms it.

Do your spectacles need an examining? You'd better put them on, that's probably why you're wrong 10 out of 9 times (impossible, but you manage to do it anyways). I said the actual script says it, and the novel confirms it, I never said the novel exactly said that line.



google.com

^

Google it, perhaps? IMSDB.



If you'd have read what I wrote, or got your spectacles fixed - you wouldn't have that problem.



Because he's supposed to be a "motion blur", and have a "sense of timing faster than some bullshit x". If his sense of timing is so great, he would've timed that shit, and not have died. Your hyperbolic descriptions (and yes, they are hyperbole) don't make sense.



Oh? If he has a sense of timing that good, he would be able to do it. If it is a "motion blur", he would be able to do it.

Sadly, since these are all hyperbolic descriptions they are inadmissable.



Or maybe you just don't want it to move because Kit Fisto dies? It's working perfectly on my computer. Turn off your Anti-Fisto Firewall, it's protecting you from seeing anything against Kit.



Fluently? He moved as fluently as Roblio Darte, Master Tsui, and others did. Which, in actuality, was shit. Two seconds, and he moved "fluently"? No, all he did was clash sabers once, and die.



You're right, it wasn't coincidence. It was a filler, and luck. Luck that Sidious went after Agen and Saesee first.



Because there's no proof? Because they never worked together? Because Anakin's a foolhardy idiot? Because Kit Fisto is unorthodox, and Anakin doesn't know anything about him?



That didn't make sense. Because Kit's got an unorthodox fighting style, he'd be coordinated with Anakin? Wow, you really are daft.

What the f*ck are you talking about? They fought together for two seconds! And they didn't do a "fairly good job", as Kit Fisto didn't even move from where they started fighting.



What the f*ck are you talking about? And why would he be able to "dazzle Maul"? That was the stupidiest thing I've heard all day. "In shock"? The only one that will be "in shock" is Kit Fisto when he gets killed for a second time.



You don't make sense. There's nothing, absolutely zilch to suggest they can work well together, so stop treating it like they will be.

Coordination, and how well a team meshes together is a HUMONGOUS point you have to deal with. I'm serious, if you knew a damn thing about swordfighting - you'd know that. It can change a lose to a win, and often does if the team is good enough.

Sadly, Kit Fisto and Anakin aren't.





WTF FANBOY

You are truly the epitome of a fanboy. Holy shit. They are legendary together, but they never even dueled together? ROFL.



*Yawn* More bullshit, Medvock? Should I really be surprised at this point? As a team, there's efforts were futile:

"His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blunting their counterattacks"

"So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly I discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution."

"their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate. "

Hm, their best attacks were not good enough, Maul was able to counterattack and attack at the same time while holding them off, and their offensive was "woefully (deplorably, or "horribly" inadequate (meaning ineffective)", but Qui-Gon would've lived? Hell no, he would've been killed had they continued working as a team, so would Obi-Wan. As a team, they got pwned by the following attacks:

- Blocked Kenobi's attack while not even looking.
- Jump kicked Qui-Gon while defending against Obi-Wan.
- Kicked Kenobi and knocked him back ten feet (so much he had to run to catch up).
- Pushed Qui-Gon away with just sheer Force.
- Did the same to Kenobi.
- Spin kicked Kenobi and he fell down to a completely different platform.

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul.

Maul was able to almost overwhelm Sidious, who, if I remember correctly, punked Fisto in about three seconds. The only reason Kit lasted that long was because Sidious was killing two other Jedi.

Also, Maul has a definite terrain advantage. Being Maul, he won't get tired... Maul>Fatigue.
Kit, however, while he seemed to do okay on Geonisis, is still a fish-man. After the constant beating Maul will give him, he'll get tired (like Qui Gon was on Tattoine, after about, what? 20 seconds of dueling?), and dry out possibly. Qui Gon was described as the best duelist Obi Wan had ever seen and, also, on par with Mace Windu. Still, Maul showed him a thrashing. Kit is not as good as him.
Also, Maul is great at fighting multiple targets, as seen in TPM, those four comics, and possibly Shadow Hunter (I haven't read it yet, I'm not sure I will). Also, Kit Fisto and Anakin have no previous track record, and it is very likely that they couldn't coordinate their attacks at all, nevermind as well as Obi Wan and Qui Gon. Without coordination, and with Kit's "Spin around like a fairy with his unlimited vertabrate!!111!!!1!!" style, he will probably get in Anakin's way more than anything.

A few last things:
Qui Gon> Kit.
Obi Wan is about equal to Anakin, I mean, Obi Wan was just days away from being a Knight during him TPM days, and a darn good Knight, too.
Obi Wan and Qui Gon's synergy >>> Kit and Anakins' synergy.

Okay, my initial point pretty much sums it up. Sama, your arguments are great, they can only be refuted by him, due to his love for a fish.

Sorgo and I had a debate like this a long time ago with Medvock about how Kit would get his ass handed to him in a fist fight on Tattoine. He won't give up. In his eyes: Kit>>> facts and/or common sense.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/img/eu_bg.jpg

herbwank <- Medvock.

This is a good thread. TPM Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan > AOTC Anakin and ROTS Kit and Maul was practically even with that duo so I'm tempted to say he could take this.

Okay, no one make any really long posts, (I'm not sure how long this'll be, but sorry if it is) because reading through all Medvock's BS really pains me.
Stuff like this:
Qui Gon was beat due to a confined space: Maul needs a lot of space too, just look at how he fights. He uses a double lightsaber.
Qui Gon is less effective than Fisto due to his age: Windu was about his age, right? How old is Yoda? Dooku? Sidious? I mean, even DN Luke has to be getting near 60. You can use the Force to make you stronger or faster, got it?
Mace and Obi were surprised that Kit didn't suck up a storm because he uses form I: Cool. He doesn't suck.
Coordination doesn't mean anything when they're both young: Okay. Wait... let me check... you're wrong.
Anakin wouldn't run in like a madman and be owned, because he has nothing personal against Maul: Yeah, he killed Qui Gon, the one who saved him from slavery, was going to train him to be a Jedi, even against the councils will, because he believed in him. Anakin would rush in.
Mentions nothing about Maul: Okay, I will, he was trained to be a weapon to kill Jedi by Sidious, nothing else. Oh yeah, http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=232&page=06 , http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=232&page=07 , http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=232&page=08 , http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=232&page=09 , I would post more, but the other three comics aren't on the site.
Mentioning nothing about the environment: They are fighting on Tattooine. Qui Gon was tired after fighting Maul for maybe 30 seconds on Tattooine. I doubt a fish man would do any better.

Guys, you should give Medvock a break. So what if you don't agree with him, this is an internet forum and so what if he's a fanboy, pretty much everyone is a fanboy of someone and it's not like he's been making rediculous claims, so try and keep it civil.

Anyways imo, all you have to do is read CD to know that Kit would take Maul.

Yeah, Sith'ari, I'm sure reading stuff like "Kit's a martial hurricane", a "blur of motion", and other hyperbole will do any good. I've read about half, maybe 2/3 of Cestus Deception, Kit Fisto will not win.

Read any of the Maul comics, or Shadow Hunter, or, judge purely by the movies, and then tell me who will win.

Anyways imo, all you have to do is read CD to know that Kit would take Maul.

I agree.

Of course you agree, Medvock. To you, it's like your version of Hustler. Why don't you read Shadow Hunter? Saboteur? The Darth Maul comics? Just watch The Phantom Menace? Just read the TPM novel? I've read 2/3 of the Cestus Deception, it's filled with hyperbole, and quite frankly - it's unimpressive, doesn't show his superiority at all.

Maul > Kit Fisto. Nothing you're deluded fanboy perspective can do to change that. I mean, Sorgo and I completely trampled over you in the fist fight thread, but you kept on saying "l0l k1t w1ll w1n cuz h3 h4s un_1mit3d v3rt4bra3!!!!///!!ONE!!!".

"If you’ve got $5, and you don’t know what to do with it, instead of buying something useless, BUY KIT FISTO! You won't regret it."

ROFL! Good advertising, Meddie-boy.

Originally posted by Advent
Of course you agree, Medvock. To you, it's like your version of Hustler. Why don't you read Shadow Hunter? Saboteur? The Darth Maul comics? Just watch The Phantom Menace? Just read the TPM novel? I've read 2/3 of the Cestus Deception, it's filled with hyperbole, and quite frankly - it's unimpressive, doesn't show his superiority at all.

Maul > Kit Fisto. Nothing you're deluded fanboy perspective can do to change that. I mean, Sorgo and I completely trampled over you in the fist fight thread, but you kept on saying "l0l k1t w1ll w1n cuz h3 h4s un_1mit3d v3rt4bra3!!!!///!!ONE!!!".

"If you’ve got $5, and you don’t know what to do with it, instead of buying something useless, BUY KIT FISTO! You won't regret it."

ROFL! Good advertising, Meddie-boy.

Unfortunately, I haven't read Shadow Hunter or Saboteur, but I've read a few of the Maul comics. I've also seen TPM. Lovely movie. Oh, and as made evident throughout this "debate", I've also read TPM novel.

And quite frankly, I highly doubt you've read Cestus Deception. Why the hell would you buy the book if you aren't going to read it?

Even people on here who don't show any signs of being a big Fisto Fan admit that he was awesome in the novel.

Read it -- it's not only about Kit, but it does feature him a fair bit.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
And quite frankly, I highly doubt you've read Cestus Deception.

You "highly doubt" I've read the Cestus Deception? You also "highly doubted" Maul could beat Fisto in a fist fight, but you couldn't have been more wrong, and got your arguments destroyed. So, what's your point? Do you want me to write out an entire chapter for you. . .?



Obviously you're a dumbass. When did I ever say I wasn't going to read it? I even said exactly that "I read 2/3 of it", damn Medvock, you're a freaking idiot.



"People"? These so called "people" are only one person, who would be Nebaris. Your point?



Didn't I just say "I read 2/3 of it". . .? Damn, Medvock, get back on your medication. You're delusional.

You "highly doubt" I've read the Cestus Deception? You also "highly doubted" Maul could beat Fisto in a fist fight, but you couldn't have been more wrong, and got your arguments destroyed. So, what's your point? Do you want me to write out an entire chapter for you. . .?

Writing out an entire chapter doesn't necessarily prove you've read the book, but for the sake of it, please do!

Obviously you're a dumbass. When did I ever say I wasn't going to read it? I even said exactly that "I read 2/3 of it", damn Medvock, you're a freaking idiot.

I apologize. My general impression throughout this debate was that you haven't read the book. But now, I know. Cheers.

"People"? These so called "people" are only one person, who would be Nebaris. Your point?

Nebaris is still considered a person! Okay, maybe saying "people" as a whole was a bit of an overstatement. I was kinda hoping you'd understand what I was trying to say. But as is mostly the case, you don't -- but I can't blame you. I tend to confuse people many times.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Writing out an entire chapter doesn't necessarily prove you've read the book, but for the sake of it, please do!

You really think I'd ever write out an entire chapter? No.

"Welcome to Cestus. General Kenobi, Barrister Snoil." Obi-Wan nodded. "Thank you, Sergeant. I hope that all business can be completed quickly, that I might have an opportunity to appreciate the beauty of your world before I return home." The words flowed so smoothly that Obi-Wan laughed to himself. In truth, he might have made a passable politician. Peacemakers and power brokers had to meet to find common ground, and if he had chosen that path ... With that thought in his mind, and a resultant half smile curling his lips, Obi-Wan allowed himself and Snoil to be escorted to a railway running above the free-flying transport lanes. "Few buildings on the planet's surface," Snoil asked. "Why?" "The natural caverns were easy to exploit for prison space, and safer from dust storms and raiding aboriginals. That was long ago." "And now?" Obi-Wan asked. "And now?" Their guide shrugged.

^

Good enough for you? I can write plenty more of this bullshit novel.



Says who? He's a friggin' spam bot.



I know what you were trying to say. You're trying to say you're not the only person who thinks Kit Fisto is strong, awesome, powerful - whatever. My point is: they are just as wrong as you then.

Good enough for you? I can write plenty more of this bullshit novel.

Ooo! Please do!!!

well.. ani vs. tpm obi would end up as obi owning that cry baby. so basically maul is left alone with kit. i havent got alot of info on kit. but of what i saw in ep3. he is shit lmao... sorryn for offending kit fisto fans but he is.. well anyways maul walks out with both their hands in his hands.

I hate it when people base all of Kit's prowess with how he did against Darth Sidious.

Quit your yabbering, Medvock. Maul wins, deal with it. Sorry that Kit Fisto dies yet again.

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Okay, my initial point pretty much sums it up. Sama, your arguments are great, they can only be refuted by him, due to his love for a fish.

Sorgo and I had a debate like this a long time ago with Medvock about how Kit would get his ass handed to him in a fist fight on Tattoine. He won't give up. In his eyes: Kit>>> facts and/or common sense.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/img/eu_bg.jpg

herbwank <- Medvock.

kit fisto is the biggest waste of make-up and special effects EVER!!

banana_nod

Originally posted by I AM ANTHONY
kit fisto is the biggest waste of make-up and special effects EVER!!

lmaooo good one

well its true. at least yaddle was like yodas main squeeze...