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Ragnos...I guess.

This is an idiotic thread. We already know the answer, because it's written down.

Marka Ragnos - "The most powerful of the most powerful", meaning the most powerful of all the Ancient Sith, which includes Naga Sadow.

Ragnos wins.

Uthar's gonna cry when this fight is done, that's a given; while Ludo's gonna go 'gasmic all over the battle field, pissing off Ragnos and ensuring his demise.

Ragnos makes Sadow his little schoolgirl.

Ragnos, I don't know... throws two bricks at Naga, it's too much for him, and Naga loses!!!

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Ragnos, I don't know... throws two bricks at Naga, it's too much for him, and Naga loses!!!

Naga Sadow is more powerful than Ragnos.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Naga Sadow is more powerful than Ragnos.

Ehh?

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Uthar's gonna cry when this fight is done, that's a given; while Ludo's gonna go 'gasmic all over the battle field, pissing off Ragnos and ensuring his demise.

Uthar? Pfft.

Send in Arthas!

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Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Naga Sadow is more powerful than Ragnos.


Yea, and Anna Nicole Smith is better looking than Keira Knightly.

What the hell do we know about Ragnos? All we have are some statements about him. His popularity is probably because we don't know shit about him and can only guess.
Wow, I wonder how many more f*cking ragnos threads there will be.

Originally posted by overlord
What the hell do we know about Ragnos?

We know he's the most powerful of the Ancient Sith, which includes Naga Sadow. That's really all we need to know for this fight.

Originally posted by Escape81
Ehh?

It's in KOTOR if you know where to look.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
It's in KOTOR if you know where to look. That was Uthar being a crying fanboy, and he was basically calling Sadow the greatest dark lord because he fought the Republic; unlike Ragnos.

Right. Greatness=/power

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
That was Uthar being a crying fanboy, and he was basically calling Sadow the greatest dark lord because he fought the Republic; unlike Ragnos.

The same could be said about the people who say Sidious was the most powerful sith.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
The same could be said about the people who say Sidious was the most powerful sith.

Except that was the NEC, and it's only logical given what we know.

Marka Ragnos is described by the actual author's notes, and book description - not some fallible, third party character that described Sadow. Your point collapses. Marka > Sadow is fact.

yup

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
The same could be said about the people who say Sidious was the most powerful sith. Sidious is irrelevant to this conversation. The source your using is a 3rd person party who has only opinions, and those don't count for shit. If Uthar ever did say that Sadow>Ragnos, then he is dead wrong. Omniscient narrators and author's notes say that Ragnos "ruled with an iron fist" and had indeed been the strongest of that time period. Narrators>Uthar Wynn. Facts>Opinions. Logic>ALL.

Ragnos is without a doubt the most powerful being up to his time. More powerful than Tulak, Pall, Adas etc. This is fact.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Ragnos is without a doubt the most powerful being up to his time. This is fact. And this is why Uthar shall cry for his Go-.. I mean, Uthar's gonna cry for his man.

It's not fact Ragnos is stronger than someone like Adas or Xendor...that'd actually be interesting to see

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's not fact Ragnos is stronger than someone like Adas or Xendor...that'd actually be interesting to see


Really? Because Ragnos was the most powerful in the apex of sith knowledge/magic, so logic points to him being stronger.

Apex of the Sith Empire/ Adas is known as the only true monarch the Sith species ever had and his knowledge was still the pinnacle, even in the golden age. Xendor was a member of the Kashi-Mer, whose secrets were almost totally lost except for Arden and was one of, if not the first Dark Jedi. Xendor's also not Sith, so the apex of the Sith Empire means nothing to him

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Apex of the Sith Empire/ Adas is known as the only true monarch the Sith species ever had and his knowledge was still the pinnacle, even in the golden age. Xendor was a member of the Kashi-Mer, whose secrets were almost totally lost except for Arden and was one of, if not the first Dark Jedi. Xendor's also not Sith, so the apex of the Sith Empire means nothing to him

Ok and? This isn't Underworld where the first lycan and the first werewolf were the strongest. And the pinnacle of sith knowledge was in the Golden of the Sith, sorry.

Marka would likely win seeing as Naga was scared shitless of him. There has to be a reason that Naga was so afraid.

Golden Age of the Sith Empire. IT was stated the New Sith Empire was greater than the Ancient Sith Empire in its greatest point

Good lord, are you having trouble differentiating between greatness and power?

It says apex of the Sith EMPIRE...that doesn't apply to later times

Apex=Sith Knowledge/Power, not accomplishments.. Sheesh

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Ragnos is without a doubt the most powerful being up to his time. More powerful than Tulak, Pall, Adas etc. This is fact.

Actually I take this back. They could have been better. It's weird because I always remember there being a statement saying that he was the most powerful up until his time, however I must have been mistaken.

No, there's a link. Here it is, "The best of the best" : http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=43&page=20 Oh darn. Wrong link, I mean, here it is, the best of the best: Hmm, I can't seem to find it. Anyone?

Originally posted by Advent
We know he's the most powerful of the Ancient Sith, which includes Naga Sadow. That's really all we need to know for this fight. It's truly pathetic that we only need that for a fight. As if there aren't more aspects to fights than just statements like "he was strong", all possible weaknesses immediately seize to be. Fighting styles don't exist anymore, no more arguing possible. Ragnos has the best powerlevel! Yay! Go for teh win!

Originally posted by overlord
It's truly pathetic that we only need that for a fight. As if there aren't more aspects to fights than just statements like "he was strong", all possible weaknesses immediately seize to be. Fighting styles don't exist anymore, no more arguing possible. Ragnos has the best powerlevel! Yay! Go for teh win! Then you might as well say that t3h chuz3n 1 beats everything.

Good lord are you people that dense? He is stated by the narrator as the "Most powerful of the most powerful".

The most powerful of the most powerful =/ the most powerful ever.

It could mean the most powerful era or at worst it could mean of the golden age

Huh? I'm talking about Ragnos. He may be described as the most powerful of the most powerful (and whether that statement is unrefuteable is another matter alltogether), however that doesn't make him the most powerful ever. I would imagine Luke, Nihilus, Sidious and Exar to all be more powerful.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Huh? I'm talking about Ragnos. He may be described as the most powerful of the most powerful (and whether that statement is unrefuteable is another matter alltogether), however that doesn't make him the most powerful ever. I would imagine Luke, Nihilus, Sidious and Exar to all be more powerful.

By DN, Luke probably already is. As for Nihilus, his technique came from the likes of Ragnos, who's technique was far greater. Since the ancients created the technique they should have a defense for it. Kun may be up there but I wouldn't put him on par with the likes of Ragnos. Maybe Sadow who was below Ragnos.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
As for Nihilus, his technique came from the likes of Ragnos, who's technique was far greater. Since the ancients created the technique they should have a defense for it.

This has already been refuted in other threads.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Kun may be up there but I wouldn't put him on par with the likes of Ragnos. Maybe Sadow who was below Ragnos.

Perhaps.

When was Ragnos's technique greater? Just because you derive a technique from someone else does not mean theirs's is better

the technique in his scepter which does the exact same thing, AND gives force abilities to non force users.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
the technique in his scepter which does the exact same thing, AND gives force abilities to non force users.

Hmm, I forgot about his scepter. I'd still rate Nihilus better (look at how he tools Sion), Luke and Sidious too. Perhaps not so much Kun. Others such as Adas or even Krayt (thought I doubt it) could even be more powerful. Maybe even Bane or Plaeigis.

Why would Nihilus be better, if this is your personal opinion then fine, its not fact though. Adas was indeed powerful but the ancient sith were more powerful considering they combined sith magic with what the dark Jedi taught them. Bane? Hardly. Plagueis? He was either a magician or alchemist.

And a lot of what Adas knew likely died with him...his holocron allowed many to become stronger and was considered the pinnacle of Sith knowlegde.
And Bane's power was incredibly high, as was Plagueis's likely. Let me put it this way: Bane's hatred made manifest, his raw power, destroyed a planet and if the ritual went along as planned without the others breaking it off, he'd have wiped out the Jedi completely.

And Nihilius's wound status gives him some leeway. Tavion discovered how to use Ragnos's scepter to empower others and there's still the matter of scale and sheer power.

Luke is definately more powerful than Ragnos. He'd own Ragnos just as easy as he'd own the likes of Kun and Sidious in single combat, and I'd put those two on par with Ragnos - at the very least.

Will I disagree completely with Escape, by DN Luke is already the most powerful being ever.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Will I disagree completely with Escape, by DN Luke is already the most powerful being ever.

What the hell? Go back and re-read what I said. More carefully.

Originally posted by Escape81
Luke is definately more powerful than Ragnos. He'd own Ragnos just as easy as he'd own the likes of Kun and Sidious in single combat, and I'd put those two on par with Ragnos - at the very least.


I did, and I disagree with your statement of "Luke will easily own Ragnos", and "I put Ragnos with Kun and Sidious at the very least".

The thing is: Current Luke will easily own them, too

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Why would Nihilus be better, if this is your personal opinion then fine, its not fact though. Adas was indeed powerful but the ancient sith were more powerful considering they combined sith magic with what the dark Jedi taught them. Bane? Hardly. Plagueis? He was either a magician or alchemist.

The way he pwns Sion in KotOR.

Where does it say he's the best of the best? Link please? I appreciate it.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Where does it say he's the best of the best? Link please? I appreciate it.

Most powerful of the most powerful

Yeah, okay, where?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Jedi:_The_Golden_Age_of_the_Sith

Wikipedia, not a valid source. Read it now.

Where is it in the comic, I mean?

My copy is currently in my car, check SWComics.com. And its explanation of GAOTS doesnt contradict anything.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything. Oh yeah, and on wiki it says the most politically powerful Sith.

ok? It also says most powerful of the most powerful.

1) Where?
2) It's wiki it doesn't count.

then go to swcomics.com and find GAOTS

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I did, and I disagree with your statement of "Luke will easily own Ragnos", and "I put Ragnos with Kun and Sidious at the very least".

Oh really? Then what do you think it is?

Ok, for the last time: That comic summary is in present tense
It referred only to the Ancient Sith Empire. Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that it applies only to what's happening currently and NOT a blanket statement?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, for the last time: That comic summary is in present tense
It referred only to the Ancient Sith Empire. Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that it applies only to what's happening currently and NOT a blanket statement?

Because lightsnake, you can't sit there and tell me that you have proof that it is only referring to the ancient sith empire. It just says "Most powerful of the most powerful". Why do you ignore the direct quote and add your own interpretation?

Because contextually and clarified by another LFL author, it was referring to the Ancient Empire.

It's not debateable.
"Now he is dead and two explorers arrive."
It's a present tense expkanation fow hat happened 5000 years ago. End of story

Damnit double post

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because contextually and clarified by another LFL author, it was referring to the Ancient Empire.

It's not debateable.
"Now he is dead and two explorers arrive."
It's a present tense expkanation fow hat happened 5000 years ago. End of story


Where was it clarified by the LFL Author? You INTERPRET it as a present tense explanation, while it could be that or it could be more but this is YOUR interpretation, nothing more.

Dan Wallace on this forum, acually.

And how else can you take it? The now he is dead and two explorers arrive is a dead give away...

Originally posted by Escape81
Oh really? Then what do you think it is?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Dan Wallace on this forum, acually.

And how else can you take it? The now he is dead and two explorers arrive is a dead give away...


Show me where "Dan Wallace" said it. And last I checke Dan Wallace=/KJA. And that is NOT a dead giveaway, because they were were verbally fellating him, in no way does that mean it was referring to that time period. If there was a quote stating, "Palpatine was the greatest sith lord, now he's dead", are you going to interpret that by only his time?

Go to the members face and find 'Danwall88'

And no, it does refer to time period. 'Now he is dead and two explorers' arrive.

Present tense, nothing about all time. And yeah, I'd interpret any quote like that present and not counting the future, because that's exactly what it was.

again, this is your interpretation, this is not fact. Go ahead and email somebody if you wish and get their factual interpretation, but don't sit there telling me your interpretation is fact.

Possibly because of things like context and grammar?

I'd side with Lightsnake.

"Marka Ragnos, the most powerful of the most powerful, but now he is dead." Clearly that's referring to only in that time. I mean, obviously, people like Sidious, Exar, Revan (IDK, just throwing Sith Lords names out) weren't even around, so how could it apply to all throughout the ages?

Answer: It wouldn't. Marka Ragnos is the most powerful of the Ancient Sith, the quote does not apply to any other era of Sith Lords, especially ones that weren't even alive yet.



No, because it says "the greatest Sith Lord", okay, then Palpatine was the greatest Sith Lord up until DE, since that's where he is from. Marka Ragnos' quote couldn't apply to Sith Lords in the future, neither would Sidious', but it does apply to all those who were before him.

If another Sith Lord came out after Palpatine, the quote wouldn't apply to that Sith Lord, because he wasn't before Palpatine. Same with Ragnos' quote, except his quote wouldn't apply to as broad of a time.

No, I understand this fact, I know what it was referring to, I just wanted to see if lightsnake could give me definitive proof. Obviously nobody else existed at that time.

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Then you might as well say that t3h chuz3n 1 beats everything. At least we can still argue about how he fights and is beaten etc.Originally posted by Sith'ari
The most powerful of the most powerful =/ the most powerful ever. OMG! Most powerful most powerful. It is just like how Sidious was meant to be the most powerful ever at first. Now there are like thousands of new stories but since there isn't anything really valuable about what kind of power Ragnos has, we just stick to the romantic image of him being most powerful of most powerful evah?

When I first got it here, he could kill all jedi of the prequels and throw stars and shit. All those previous speculations makes the EU unrealistic and dumb. But people just have to drag him in.

I don't think the title was referring to Ragnos, but it was actually referring to the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. Meaning, that, whoever was the most powerful of their time got to be the Dark Lord of the Sith (not that Ragnos was the most powerful up until that time).

No, it was clear that Ragnos was the most powerful of the most powerful of at LEAST that time

marka.

Please provide a source on where it says that Ragnos was "The most powerful of the most powerful."

We already did, you can call that source fake, but its a description of GAOTS, you can also google it. However, if youre going to keep asking for a quote, then don't start creating an argument about interpretating the quote differently, if you don't believe it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Jedi:_Golden_Age_of_the_Sith

Read about Issue 2. Is this your source?

It was the first google search. Youre question is as ridiculous as "prove Exar Kun created the double bladed saber".

What?

Just post the source, if you have it.