Originally posted by Apolloknight
Hmm, this seems like a one-sided fight at first glance, but I will argue some wins for team b.
Firstly, Both gets their standard equipment, Team B is much better equipped with Blade and Black Panther on their squad.
Black Panther will be coming in with, Energy Daggers, Anti-metal Claws, Vibranium Mircoweave suit.
Blade will be coming in with, Two swords, a 9 mil or three, maybe a shotgun, some throwing knifes, a crossbow gun, a flash few flash grenades, and his Kevlar vest. (hey he has shown to carry these items on his persons in comics)
Well Spidermans not technically street level but hey, I would rather prefer luke Cage on team 2 since team 1 has spidey but I roll with what I got.
Now wait a minute right here, I'm glad you are so misinformed on BP. Whats even worse is this is Classic Spidey. Spideys Strength isn't going to matter in this fight, Vibranium weave is going to cancel that, and BP has more then enough speed and Agility to keep up with spidey, not to mention he is a much better H2H combatant, and his style is unique just like spideys.
Now with that said, BP could easily break even on spidey if not take a slight majority because of his equipment alone, his energy daggers will be set to kill for this fight and they can be launched like Projectiles, if spidy ties him up with web (if he can even hit him), BP can easily cut himself out. BP also has his anti-metal claws, one lucky swipe on spidey and its over (we all know BP doesn't care to kill). They only real way for Spidey to beat BP is the get close and throw him into a few walls, and we all know how spidey does against H2H monsters up close such as BP. Not to mention BP has defeated classic spidey before.
Again this is standard equipment, in just a H2H fight BP and Capt would go 5/10, with equipment, BP goes 7-8/10. Anti-metal claws, and Energy daggers present two many problems for capt.
Look at it this way, Bp and Capt fight, they trade blows, now what if BP has his daggers or claws out for them blows instead of his fist? 21 gun salute for an Americans hero's funeral is what happens.
On top of this, There is NO way cap is getting past his Vibranium suit. Iron man (who is way stronger then capt) could barely even do any damage to T'challa let alone KO him with his punches, so how is Capt going to to it?
Now for Blade, umm, Blade, like BP, has no quams with killing on a whim He pulls out his 9 mils, throwing knifes, crossbow gun, and takes will aimed shots at team 1, not saying that Blade is going to even hit them (bullets job) but it makes him much more dangerous, BP is no longer top priority for team 1.
While Blade provides cover fire for BP and Beast, their agility and speed easily allow them to maneuver around your team at will. While your team is worried about blades barrage of bullets coming, BP and Beast could easily take quick KO's on Capt and Daredevil. If spidey trys to go for blade, blade can easily hold his own with spidey (he does have Superhuman Strength, speed and Agility by the way).
So if thats the case, which most likely will happen, Bp takes the majority over capt, I have to believe beast takes down DD, then they all gang up on Spidey, and he goes down fast and hard.
Team B 7-8/10.
Not so one-sided anymore now.
Alright, I am going to do something that should always be avoided in debate: admit a mistake. Just one, though; I ignored the fact that this was classic Spider-man. The fact that this is pre-other pre-iron Spidey will certainly detract a win or two from team 1's total, but still leaves them with enough power to carry a healthy majority.
However, I'm also going to do something else that is nearly unseen in debate; accuse you with your own claim against me. You're ignoring team 1's standard equipment. Daredevil? Okay, a billy club, not too interesting. However, Captain America and Spider-man? That is what can easily spell the win here.
At the very least, Spider-man could just cover all of the opposing team in webs in such a way that makes them incapable of clawing/tearing/cutting out. With the entire team imobilized, it will be easy pickings. Or, alternatively, Spider-man could use his webs to disarm the competition, as he has shown the capability in the past.
Also, Captain America's equipment. Not as ground-breaking, but absolutely as impressive as Spider-man's webs or T'challa's claws. His shield. "The symbol of the whole freakin country," it has shown the speed to catch up to an ICBM, and has shown enough power to saw through an engine block, and seriously take it to top-tier bricks. While Vibranium is an amazing metal, I SERIOUSLY doubt that even you would argue it's durability is equal to that of the likes of the Hulk.
In addition, your opinion that Black Panther would take Captain America 7/10 even WITH equipment, is just that. An opinion. My original take of a sheer stalemate between the two DID take into account Black Panther's equipment. If it were a plain Hand to Hand fight, I would actually give the majority to Steve, with T'Challa's equipment edging him out into a draw. But of course, you need not do any pointing out - this is just MY opinion. Either are applicable, hm?
I hardly see how a few bullets are gonna make Blade priority number one. Everyone on team 1 knows Black Panther. They know that HE is gonna be the most dangerous. Blade? Hmm...as I said before, Spidey could certainly web HIM up, or disarm him with his webs. Not to even mention that Daredevil, Captain America, and Spider-man all dodge bullets as if they were mere annoyances, not threats. They have nothing to worry about from long-range with Blade. And even close range, any of team 1 could likely take Blade, vampiric strength or not.
Also, your ploy of 'cover fire' only works assuming you are allowed to begin laying cover fire before team 1. As we know that Spider-man has the fastest reflexes, and the best speed of ANY of these characters, Blade is gonna be a heap of webs on the ground. Even if Blade COULD get some shots off, it isn't like any of team 1 is a slouch in agility or speed. Captain America has kept up with Beast plenty of times, Daredevil is great, and Spidey is the speed/agility GOD in Marvel. Team 2 will not 'easily outmaneuver' them. Even if they have to worry about a bullet or two (they won't, remember.).
As far as your 'quick ko's' go, I think you are either Overestimating Beast and T'Challa, or SERIOUSLY underestimating Daredevil and Captain America. There is not going to be any easy knock out or kill on team 2's part, considering that Daredevil and Capt could easily go toe to toe with T'Challa or Hank.
The EASIEST strategy for a win is this:
Spider-man, being the fastest and pre-cognitive uses his (two arms, remember?
) webs to immediately take blade and Hank out of the fight. Neither are strong enough to break the webs, and Spidey has shown the skill to web them in such a way so they cannot reach their weapons, or cannot claw their way out. Then, while the two are struggling, Black Panther goes out like a light. A few Shield Bashes/Billy Club smashes/Class 15 punches to T'Challa's fallen comrades later, and this is STILL one sided to team 1.
Please Note: I began this reply MUCH earlier. While writing it, I had to go change the water pump on my El Camino, so there may have been debate developments since. Many of these points may have been mentioned, or even re-mentioned. If that is the case, I apologize, Forgive me. If there are any serious debate points made since, I will address them in time.