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Dr. Strange receives one week of prep and all of his magical paraphernalia. Shazam does not know of the battle until just before it begins.

Who wins this battle of magic users.

i believe strange has a good chance here. what do you guys think?

Strange could possibly banish him to another plane.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Strange could possibly banish him to another plane. Which would accomplish what..?

whould shazam not know how to come back? i think strange would win perhaps by calling on some of his more exotic spells but i just do not know how they would affect shazam as powerful as he is and all.

here is strange doing some damage:

Mephisto
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bindmeph8ln.jpg

Bloodlusted Strange
http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom21jn.jpg

against dormammus sister
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=umar1ff.jpg

the full shuma gorath fight
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma10qy.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma27xe.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma34hz.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma41gu.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma57am.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma65qc.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shuma78yk.jpg

strange defeating an infinite being
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinite16ze.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinite24ap.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinite32vs.jpg

all scans thanks to the respect thread.

this shows that strange should be able to at least put a good deal of hurting on shazam.

speedblitz

not with strange having all the prep time. i am assuming you are talking about strange getting speedblitzed aren't you.

even more from strange

http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibet10wf.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inbe26ta.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inbe38cg.jpg

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
not with strange having all the prep time. i am assuming you are talking about strange getting speedblitzed aren't you.

Nope. Wolverine.

yeah but what can shazam to a sorcerer like strange i really want to know. i just don't think shazam could hurt strange. anybody disagree

Captain Marvel, or SHAZAM the wizard?

shazam the wizard.

Oh, well then SHAZAM.

how does shazam beat strange.

Imagine Strange's magic. Now multiply that by 5 and you've got SHAZAM's magic.

SHAZAM:
Magically bestowed superhuman strength, speed, stamina and courage, Invulnerability, Nigh-omnipotent mastery of magic and mysticism, Omnipresent and Omnisient, Telepathy

Originally posted by batdude123
Imagine Strange's magic. Now multiply that by 5 and you've got SHAZAM's magic.

SHAZAM:
Omnipresent and Omnisient, Telepathy

Not really or he would have known what Spectre was going to do before it happened and preped everyone for it.

Originally posted by Soleran
Not really or he would have known what Spectre was going to do before it happened and preped everyone for it.

He was prepping for it. And dude... it's the Spectre.

Dr.Strange is sorcerer supreme he can find away

you forget that strnage has taken on the inbetweener, who was being aided by LT. Strange has also taken on death. strange has mastered both light and dark forms of magic and he is not that far from shazam. strange has taken on mephisto in his own realm and come out on top. strange has also beaten cytorrak level beings also.

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
you forget that strnage has taken on the inbetweener, who was being aided by LT. Strange has also taken on death. strange has mastered both light and dark forms of magic and he is not that far from shazam. strange has taken on mephisto in his own realm and come out on top. strange has also beaten cytorrak level beings also.

Shazam took on Spectre. Spectre>>>>>>>>>>everyone else Strange as taken on.

Originally posted by batdude123
Shazam took on Spectre. Spectre>>>>>>>>>>everyone else Strange as taken on.
And lost so......

granted spectre is much more powerful, however Shazam took on the spectre in shazam's seat of power which was the only reason the fight lasted more than two seconds. anywhere else and that fights ends extremely quickly. strange has fought mephisto in his own realm and won. pointing to the spectre fight is troublesome because shazam was only able to hang in their because of the location of the fight.

bump

Originally posted by batdude123
He was prepping for it. And dude... it's the Spectre.


Lol you said omniscient and omnipresent not me Spectre wouldn't change that, however I know what you mean.

not to mention where that fight took place

Originally posted by Soleran
Lol you said omniscient and omnipresent not me Spectre wouldn't change that, however I know what you mean.

That was from a bio.

but strange has had pleanty of experience against opponents who had nigh omnipotence and omnipresence. how would that be the deciding factor against strange?

Shazam takes this.

Strange is good but not that good.

Shazam is part of the Quintessence. There is nothing else to talk about.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Shazam is part of the Quintessence. There is nothing else to talk about.

http://themot.org/gallery/d/46614-1/wonaninternet.jpg

the fact that shazam is part of the quintesant does not mean that strange cannot hang. strange has hung with death and other beings that are rather high on the food chain. what could shazam do to strange? strange has taken on multiple foes with abilities similar to shazam and he has won. being a member of the puintesant does not make you unbeatable. strange wins 6/10 or 7/10.

LAMO!

Dude.

Go Home

Shazam typically has more power at his disposal than base-level Strange does. Shazam has the power of numerous gods at his disposal from the get go. Strange has to seriously power-up to achieve the level of power that Shazam has all the time.

However

Given the scenario presented here, Shazam has no chance whatsoever. None. Nada. Zilch. Strange benefits from preparation moreso than any character in comics, and I'm including Thanos in that estimate. Strange could've become omnipotent 10 times over in the timespan presented in Thanos-Quest. The scans of the Shuma-Gorath battle don't really do justice to the magnitude of that victory. Imagine that he took out one of Lovecraft's nastier alien menaces and assumed it's power, if that helps. Strange had abdorbed so much magical might that if he had returned directly to our world it would have been destroyed like a moth in a bug-catcher. There's almost no one that Strange couldn't defeat with a week 's prep. If nothing else, that's enough time to cast the 7 Gates of Chaos and destroy the universe.

In an unprepared fight on neutral ground, I'd say Shazam 3/5. If they were on the Rock of Eternity, I'd go up to Shazam 4/5. Strange still gets the 1/5 if he can absorb Shazam's energy. If he could execute a Conjurer's Sphere within the Rock, Shazam would be done, but that's a difficult move and one he seldom uses.

The scenario proposed is not a fair fight.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Shazam typically has more power at his disposal than base-level Strange does. Shazam has the power of numerous gods at his disposal from the get go. Strange has to seriously power-up to achieve the level of power that Shazam has all the time.

However

Given the scenario presented here, Shazam has no chance whatsoever. None. Nada. Zilch. Strange benefits from preparation moreso than any character in comics, and I'm including Thanos in that estimate. Strange could've become omnipotent 10 times over in the timespan presented in Thanos-Quest. The scans of the Shuma-Gorath battle don't really do justice to the magnitude of that victory. Imagine that he took out one of Lovecraft's nastier alien menaces and assumed it's power, if that helps. Strange had abdorbed so much magical might that if he had returned directly to our world it would have been destroyed like a moth in a bug-catcher. There's almost no one that Strange couldn't defeat with a week 's prep. If nothing else, that's enough time to cast the 7 Gates of Chaos and destroy the universe.

In an unprepared fight on neutral ground, I'd say Shazam 3/5. If they were on the Rock of Eternity, I'd go up to Shazam 4/5. Strange still gets the 1/5 if he can absorb Shazam's energy. If he could execute a Conjurer's Sphere within the Rock, Shazam would be done, but that's a difficult move and one he seldom uses.

The scenario proposed is not a fair fight.

Um.

HA!

NO.

Originally posted by Milkie
Um.

HA!

NO.

Zero

NO

Originally posted by Milkie
Um.

HA!

NO.
On what basis?

Originally posted by Milkie
http://themot.org/gallery/d/46614-1/wonaninternet.jpg

Wow. This is appropriate.

what can you do about some things. some people just do not know where and when things are appropriate

bye

it is a shame. i started this thread really wanting to know what people thought about these two going at it. two of the most spectacularly magical people in the two universes and this is what one gets. shame

Strange with a weeks prepeek I know Shazam is powerful but Strange with a weeks prepeek Man look what Strange has done in the past. Yea Shazam took on Specter, but then again he lost. Strange has taken on gods in thier own real and won. Its hard to imagine anyone short of a abstract beating Strange with a weeks prep. Just look at whats he's done. Thiers plenty of proof.

Strange has beat big G, the in-betweener, Death, Dormammu, and actually stalemated the IG for a while. Hell he's beaten abstracts. Imagine what he can do with a weekeek2

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
Dr. Strange receives one week of prep and all of his magical paraphernalia. Shazam does not know of the battle until just before it begins.

Who wins this battle of magic users.

wow this is intresting but since strange gets all this prep and shazam has non what so ever im giving it to strange.

Originally posted by batdude123
Shazam took on Spectre. Spectre>>>>>>>>>>everyone else Strange as taken on. took him on he got his face kicked in that was no fight. i say it gose 5/10 both ways. good fight

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Shazam typically has more power at his disposal than base-level Strange does. Shazam has the power of numerous gods at his disposal from the get go. Strange has to seriously power-up to achieve the level of power that Shazam has all the time.

However

Given the scenario presented here, Shazam has no chance whatsoever. None. Nada. Zilch. Strange benefits from preparation moreso than any character in comics, and I'm including Thanos in that estimate. Strange could've become omnipotent 10 times over in the timespan presented in Thanos-Quest. The scans of the Shuma-Gorath battle don't really do justice to the magnitude of that victory. Imagine that he took out one of Lovecraft's nastier alien menaces and assumed it's power, if that helps. Strange had abdorbed so much magical might that if he had returned directly to our world it would have been destroyed like a moth in a bug-catcher. There's almost no one that Strange couldn't defeat with a week 's prep. If nothing else, that's enough time to cast the 7 Gates of Chaos and destroy the universe.

In an unprepared fight on neutral ground, I'd say Shazam 3/5. If they were on the Rock of Eternity, I'd go up to Shazam 4/5. Strange still gets the 1/5 if he can absorb Shazam's energy. If he could execute a Conjurer's Sphere within the Rock, Shazam would be done, but that's a difficult move and one he seldom uses.

The scenario proposed is not a fair fight. very very well said. its good to see someone who knows comic hero's other then most of these fanboys

dr strange has the most potential of any character in the marvel universe. and the writers use this to their advantage. strange goes from beating someone like death to losing to someone he shouldn't. shazam is one of the most powerful magic users in the dc universe and on the surface one would think that he would win this fight easily. i agree with mighty adam, it is nice to see someone who looks beyond and understands exactly what strange could do.

Originally posted by batdude123
Shazam took on Spectre. Spectre>>>>>>>>>>everyone else Strange as taken on.

ill put it like this remember the black adam vs spector fight yeah that was the same deal.

i saw the scan were spector said something like i can draw magic from anywere or anything even you wizard then he proceded in kicking the H3ll out of shazam.

Thanks Guys.

Seriously though, Strange beats up Dormammu and Mantis, beats Moondragon at telepathy, gets back up after punches from the Juggernaut, stands up to Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet, talks back to the Living Tribunal, eats Elder Gods and steals their power, turns into Eternity...
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternity8pr.jpg
!

and still gets babes like Clea and Topaz.

He's not so tough is you catch him flat-footed, but when he gets going, watch out.

Strange wins the majority. he stailmated the Warlock with the IG for a while. A week prep is too much.

how much prep makes this a good fight? lets see if we can get this competitive. maybe a day or six to 12 hours. how much? lets see when it gets interesting.

strange with prep is above wolverine.
im pretty sure strange will win.

Strange wins this.

A fair fight? No prep for Strange!

If Strange were packing one of his more potent artifacts, say the Wand of Watoomb or maybe the Book of the Vishanti, we might call it a fair fight.

It'd all hinge on weather Shazam could KO strange early before he can powerup to ludicrous levels or steal Shazam's power. If so, Shazam wins. If not, Strange wins.

WHY?

Dr. Strange wins this battle easy. With a week of prep he could take out anybody. I would even say he could take out an entire team.

LMAO!

a week???!!!!
thats unfair!!!!!
shazam is extremely powerful and all, but, in this scenario he loses, a better scenario would be: strange has the week of prep, he enter the rock of eternity... damn!!!! shazam was prepping for spectres raid, in a nutshell strange gets the week, shazam get the prep he got in DV.

You guys are nuts

Originally posted by Milkie
WHY?

Two reasons:

1) Strange can call upon even greater power than Shazam can, it just takes time. That's not minimizing the enegies Shazam has at his disposal, Strange can just get more.

2) One of the ways Strange routinely beats beings that are far more powerful than himself is by tapping into, stealing, absorbing, or otherwise making his own his opponents' magical energies. He's done this many times to everyone from other wizards to far bigger fish than Shazam. A prime example is the Shuma-Gorath victory back on page one.

Once again, Shazam is definitely more powerful than Strange is day-to-day, but Strange's ability to powerup, even mid-battle, would make DBZ characters jealous.

That's why.

We're not nuts, we've just read some Dr. Strange comics. If you just know the Doc from his various guest appearances, it's understandable that you might think him overmatched here.

It dosnt suprise me WHO or WHAT Strange defeats now. I dont even care much for the whole concept of prep in fights but Strange is the exception. He actually changes his whole powerset with prep.

Originally posted by Milkie
http://themot.org/gallery/d/46614-1/wonaninternet.jpg

Going into a realm like Mephisto or Shuma Gorath and beating them... in a place where they ARE the god of that place... is a horribly high feat... and Dr. STrange has it in spades.

Just because Shazam lost to SPECTRE in his own realm means Strange can do it?

Wow.

Originally posted by Milkie
Just because Shazam lost to SPECTRE in his own realm means Strange can do it?

Wow.
where does it say that the fight takes place in the rock of eternity?

Nobody

hmm.....

Probably Strange if this takes place in a neutral realm.

Strange wins.

If it's at RoE Strange only wins if he turns off CIS and is willing to use darker magics/call on deities of both good and evil that he normally wouldn't on account of destructive capacity. For instance if he were to call on the 3 vishanti simultaneously in one blast I think he'd utterly destroy Shazam or if he were to use his black magic ability he used against Shuma but that would be highly out of character since it became a personal sticking point for him not to resort to such means. Of course the aforementioned ability would defeat ANYONE so long as they don't have the ability to block it entirely because then his power and capabilities becomes theirs +his+sorcerer supreme buffs.

I will go with shazam on this.
simply based on the fact that he literally created at least 4 of the most powerful characters on dc earth.
i picture him standing there not moving and not talking and Dr.Strange falling down dead

Originally posted by rotiart
Going into a realm like Mephisto or Shuma Gorath and beating them... in a place where they ARE the god of that place... is a horribly high feat... and Dr. STrange has it in spades. he has been beat by much less

Shazam didn't "create" the Marvel Family or Black Adam. He's basically the middle man between them and the gods that they get their powers from.

that essentially makes him a vessel of transference for the power of gods

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
Dr. Strange receives one week of prep and all of his magical paraphernalia. Shazam does not know of the battle until just before it begins.

Who wins this battle of magic users.

These stipulations make Strange hard to beat. Steven can counter Infinity Gems under these conditions.