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these 2 are absolutley confined to the earth until one of them is victorious, meaning they cannot leave the earths atmosphere; so this way they cannot throw one another into deep space, also juggernauts helmet cannot be removed from him, and supermans speed has been taken away from him and reduced to the speed of juggernaut so that this will be an all out slug fest where speed will not really be involved, otherwise supe's would just avoid juggs with his super speed, but now he cant...........i think classic juggernaut takes this one, he never tires, has unlimited strength, and is indestructible to name a few........what do u think?

No offense, but are you joking? PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN against Juggernaut? Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed and destroyed an entire galaxy (devoid of life) and travelled 4 trillion lightyears in 3 seconds, not only that but Pre-Crisis Bizzarro threw a punch that sent Pre-Crisis Superman into last week, and Pre-Crisis Bizzarro wasn't even as strong as Pre-Crisis Superman.

Juggernaut MIGHT get away with only a few broken bones if Pre-Crisis Superman allows it.

Originally posted by Sirius77
No offense, but are you joking? PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN against Juggernaut? Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed and destroyed an entire galaxy (devoid of life) and travelled 4 trillion lightyears in 3 seconds, not only that but Pre-Crisis Bizzarro threw a punch that sent Pre-Crisis Superman into last week, and Pre-Crisis Bizzarro wasn't even as strong as Pre-Crisis Superman.

Juggernaut MIGHT get away with only a few broken bones if Pre-Crisis Superman allows it. ok heres classic juggernauts abilities

he can lift well over 100 tons having destroyed a plenet in the past with a punch, a total resistance to physical injury due to his mystic spell of invulnerability; an impenetrable force field that he could summon at will; and unlimited stamina. His spell also granted him unbreakable skin, therefore making his forcefield an added protection in case he did not wish for a certain attack to touch his physical body. Due to the mystical energies flowing through his body, he did not need to eat, breathe, or drink fluids. As a vessel of mystic energy, he also possessed many abstract powers that had yet to be fully revealed. Finally, while moving, he could, essentially, not be stopped..................broken bones u say, tell me how

and as i sated speed will not be any kind of issue in the fight only brute power

Originally posted by Sirius77
No offense, but are you joking? PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN against Juggernaut? Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed and destroyed an entire galaxy (devoid of life) and travelled 4 trillion lightyears in 3 seconds, not only that but Pre-Crisis Bizzarro threw a punch that sent Pre-Crisis Superman into last week, and Pre-Crisis Bizzarro wasn't even as strong as Pre-Crisis Superman.

Juggernaut MIGHT get away with only a few broken bones if Pre-Crisis Superman allows it. and as this pic shows even the current (and much much weaker juggernaut) has recovered after he was killed and only his skeleton remained..........classic jugg's is infinatley more powerful then this

yea but pre crisis superman was a skyfather level being, playing toss the moon with kara, blow planets with his breath to move them, let alone throw a black orb that weighed 200 trillion tons, trillions of miles away, they likes using trillions of miles back in them days, but man pre crisis was awesome, i bet he's just punch juggernaught through time, causing all sorts of problems for juggernaught to do anything

Originally posted by MattDay
yea but pre crisis superman was a skyfather level being, playing toss the moon with kara, blow planets with his breath to move them, let alone throw a black orb that weighed 200 trillion tons, trillions of miles away, they likes using trillions of miles back in them days, but man pre crisis was awesome, i bet he's just punch juggernaught through time, causing all sorts of problems for juggernaught to do anything but like i said they are completely confined to earth......plz read the scenerio.....

a fight like this wouldnt stay on earth really, juggernaught is going for flying lessons lol

Originally posted by MattDay
yea but pre crisis superman was a skyfather level being, playing toss the moon with kara, blow planets with his breath to move them, let alone throw a black orb that weighed 200 trillion tons, trillions of miles away, they likes using trillions of miles back in them days, but man pre crisis was awesome, i bet he's just punch juggernaught through time, causing all sorts of problems for juggernaught to do anything Ok Pre-Crisis Superman was tough but Skyfather???
I think that erm gets thrown around too much a SkyFather level being would really just drain Superman of all his strength

Originally posted by newjak86
Ok Pre-Crisis Superman was tough but Skyfather???
I think that erm gets thrown around too much a SkyFather level being would really just drain Superman of all his strength i agree

you have to see the majority of his feats to then sit back and go yea he's be able to take on skyfather level beings and win, so he is effectively a sky father level hero, dont mistake the two

Originally posted by MattDay
you have to see the majority of his feats to then sit back and go yea he's be able to take on skyfather level beings and win, so he is effectively a sky father level hero, dont mistake the two Ok who has he beaten thats Skyfather level

Originally posted by newjak86
Ok who has he beaten thats Skyfather level no one lol, he's assuming things, and u cant do that

I mean honestly Silver Surfer is a match for Pre-Crisis Superman and he is way way below a Skyfather being

darksied for one, he beat him, ummm well dang none other rings a bell because he didn't have many enemies in them comics that spring to mind... anyone could you please write a list of his enemies back then cause i don't have an idea of many enemies... you win for the moment galan777... zzzzzzzzzzzz (fell asleep)

Originally posted by MattDay
darksied for one, he beat him, ummm well dang none other rings a bell because he didn't have many enemies in them comics that spring to mind... anyone could you please write a list of his enemies back then cause i don't have an idea of many enemies... you win for the moment galan777... zzzzzzzzzzzz (fell asleep) I don't think PC Superman ever really beat PC Darkseid I mean PC Darkseid was way out of PC Superman's league.

As far as I know Darkseid could have easily destroyed Superman if it wasn't for the fact Darkseid needed him to get the Anti-Life Equation

he on occasion out fought him then ran away knowing he outsmarted him, as he had distracted him long enough for his plans to go wrong and such, he was good at that

Originally posted by MattDay
he on occasion out fought him then ran away knowing he outsmarted him, as he had distracted him long enough for his plans to go wrong and such, he was good at that Thats completely different then actually beating him in battle I mean when fighting a skyfather level being what is Superman going to do run in throw a punch maybe then run away screaming I win I win

lol well they always left their fights open ended as to who would of won... heck then the controversial fight that superman won when it came to it says that maybe superman could, but of course for that fight to happen they went through the crisis stages first and then they went and had the fight to the end, but that's something else, lets just say superman can win so can boogernaught

Originally posted by newjak86
Ok Pre-Crisis Superman was tough but Skyfather???
I think that erm gets thrown around too much a SkyFather level being would really just drain Superman of all his strength
Not really. Being skyfather level doesn't automatically mean having a ton of versatility. Usually but not always.

true indeed

Originally posted by Validus
Not really. Being skyfather level doesn't automatically mean having a ton of versatility. Usually but not always. True but would you place PC Superman in the Skyfather level

Originally posted by newjak86
True but would you place PC Superman in the Skyfather level
Maybe a low level Skyfather? He's certainly no Odin but there isn't anyone in the herald class who could destroy a solar system by sneezing either.

How can PC Supes lose here? That version didn't have the "Solar Battery" deal going on, so Juggernaut's punches, while enough to throw Supes around, probably won't do any long term damage, even if he hits him all day. Are PC Supes's punches strong enough to break the enchantments of Cytorrak? Hrm, I dunno, so I'm gonna call this a stalemate.

Originally posted by Validus
Maybe a low level Skyfather? He's certainly no Odin but there isn't anyone in the herald class who could destroy a solar system by sneezing either. I don't know Silver Surfer as much as he is over estimated alot would still be a really good Fight for PC Superman straight up and SS isn't in the Skyfather level

What's with all the Pre-Crisis Superman threads?


And Juggernaut has nothing on Pre-Crisis Superman.

Wait, wasn't PC Superman ULTRA vulnerable to magic. I mean didn't Captain Marvel used to kick his ass all the time because his powers were magical in nature?

Originally posted by Tron
What's with all the Pre-Crisis Superman threads?


And Juggernaut has nothing on Pre-Crisis Superman.

i know we all kinda hopped on the band wagon lol

Pre-Crisis Superman throws Juggernaut BILLIONS of LIGHTyears away ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
Pre-Crisis Superman throws Juggernaut BILLIONS of LIGHTyears away ftw. if u actually read the stipulations of this thread it says that they are confined to the earth

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, wasn't PC Superman ULTRA vulnerable to magic. I mean didn't Captain Marvel used to kick his ass all the time because his powers were magical in nature?

Captain Marvel only had a shot because he could actually use some of that magic against Superman. Juggernaut doesn't have that advantage. His power's magical by nature, but it's still mainly physical.

Originally posted by galan7777777
if u actually read the stipulations of this thread it says that they are confined to the earth

Well, in that case, Superman throws Juggernaut THROUGH the Earth, to the other side.

Originally posted by Tron
Captain Marvel only had a shot because he could actually use some of that magic against Superman. Juggernaut doesn't have that advantage. His power's magical by nature, but it's still mainly physical.

OH. Ok, Superman 10/10 then.

Originally posted by Tron
Captain Marvel only had a shot because he could actually use some of that magic against Superman. Juggernaut doesn't have that advantage. His power's magical by nature, but it's still mainly physical.



Well, in that case, Superman throws Juggernaut THROUGH the Earth, to the other side. agreed, but could juggs could do the same thing 2 supes, and throwing him throught the earth wouldnt beat him

i would have to go with pc superman here.... if memory serves correctly the hulk was able to stop classic juggs from moving foward against his will an act thought and by all accounts should be impossible. yes i know he was war at the time but the hulk upgrade mearly served to draw upon his strenght faster than it would if he was just getting anrgy.... in other words the hulk had the power to stop juggernaut all the time he just had to bring it up, and from what i hear about pc sups he's already beyond that level of strenght

Superman flies the earth into the sun with Juggernaut on it.

Originally posted by galan7777777
these 2 are absolutley confined to the earth until one of them is victorious, meaning they cannot leave the earths atmosphere; so this way they cannot throw one another into deep space, also juggernauts helmet cannot be removed from him, and supermans speed has been taken away from him and reduced to the speed of juggernaut so that this will be an all out slug fest where speed will not really be involved, otherwise supe's would just avoid juggs with his super speed, but now he cant...........i think classic juggernaut takes this one, he never tires, has unlimited strength, and is indestructible to name a few........what do u think?
Why don't we give Juggernaut the Pre-Ret Beyonder's powers and Kryptonite while we're at it?

Wasn't hulk stronger than classic juggs... whereas juggs was more durable.... and if hulk couldn't get superman to even flinch...

juggs is screwed.

Originally posted by lando005
i would have to go with pc superman here.... if memory serves correctly the hulk was able to stop classic juggs from moving foward against his will an act thought and by all accounts should be impossible. yes i know he was war at the time but the hulk upgrade mearly served to draw upon his strenght faster than it would if he was just getting anrgy.... in other words the hulk had the power to stop juggernaut all the time he just had to bring it up, and from what i hear about pc sups he's already beyond that level of strenght

Check the Hulk/Juggernaut thread, War's power has been explained to death there.

Originally posted by galan7777777
agreed, but could juggs could do the same thing 2 supes, and throwing him throught the earth wouldnt beat him

To Supes, maybe. Pre-Crisis Supes? Doubtful, due to his sheer strength alone. And yeah, I'd consider that a win.

Originally posted by Tron
To Supes, maybe. Pre-Crisis Supes? Doubtful, due to his sheer strength alone. And yeah, I'd consider that a win.

DAMN!!! Galan just got TRONIMIZED!!! herbnana

Juggs cannot hurt Supes

Pre-Crisis Supes is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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00000000000000x stronger than Classic Juggs

Pretty much the only being more powerful than Pre-Crisis Supes is Pre-Crisis Darkseid

Originally posted by galan7777777
if u actually read the stipulations of this thread it says that they are confined to the earth

Can Juggy drown?

Useing PC Supes in a vs match is like Jack Kirby Vs. Scorpian PC Supes was a writers tool like his art pens. He didnt have a powerset. He just did what the writer wanted him to do and to hell with the story and quality of it.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Can Juggy drown? no, he dosent breathe air