"Ultimate" Spider-Man Discussion Thread
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Dan-El
So, Spider-Woman or the new Scarlet Spider?
DBZ MAN
Some people think it's a female version of peter parker

Dan-El
Jen Reilly?

H. S. 6
I've heard of this. Bendis had an interview with Wizard about it.
He was pretty damn confident about the story. I have faith in him; he's a good writer.
Dan-El
Agreed... except with the Silver Sable arc recently...
And the Hobgoblin thing (though well-composed, Harry is GG2!)
And the whole killing off of Carnage in New Avengers thing...
And the fact he thinks he's God...
lol, j/k. Some of the stuff is good, other isn't bad. I like his take on Spidey, but other shit just sucks.
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by DBZ MAN
Some people think it's a female version of peter parker

That's what ppl said about me when they saw my username.

jokes aside... that's a hotness pic. That chic has brown hair.... maybe there really is a SS out there.

or Petey likes to cross dress

Dan-El
At the end of the Carnage arc, Doctor Conner's assistant (Ben Reilly) stole some of the Parker blood samples, so there more than likely will be a connection.
... Unless Bendis goes from another angle, like he does a lot. For example, the Eddie Brock being mentioned as a reporter in the first Doc Ock arc, and then we meet a collegate Eddie Brock. WTF?
But yeah, crossing my fingers for SS, whether he be a woman or not! I loved the early clone saga issues!
steverules
I mite actually buy this.
freezedoom
I can't wait to see the cover of US 99 on tomorrow's
thread of September sollitations
Dan-El
Agreed. I can't wait till it starts next month
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by Dan-El
At the end of the Carnage arc, Doctor Conner's assistant (Ben Reilly) stole some of the Parker blood samples, so there more than likely will be a connection.
... Unless Bendis goes from another angle, like he does a lot. For example, the Eddie Brock being mentioned as a reporter in the first Doc Ock arc, and then we meet a collegate Eddie Brock. WTF?
But yeah, crossing my fingers for SS, whether he be a woman or not! I loved the early clone saga issues! Carnage is gonna be a chic.

That'd be the worst twist by Bendis....
But wait. I know why you brought that up now... you're thinking that Bendis had Reilly clone Peter and make him a chic. The chic was just like Peter, you know, had his powers and all, but she wants to use them differantly. She shares a connection with him and goes looking for him... when she finds him...

you'll have to read to see.
Dan-El
I think, if this is the new Scarlet Spider, she'll be kept in the lab, watching reports on Spider-Man, wanting to use her own spider powers. She escapes the lab, and starts to go about the super thing, which leads to a conflict between Spidey and Scarlet...
Oh, and her guardian in the lab is a doctor by the name of Miles Warren!!! Ultimate Jackal time!
... Of course, this is all speculation.
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by Dan-El
I think, if this is the new Scarlet Spider, she'll be kept in the lab, watching reports on Spider-Man, wanting to use her own spider powers. She escapes the lab, and starts to go about the super thing, which leads to a conflict between Spidey and Scarlet...
Oh, and her guardian in the lab is a doctor by the name of Miles Warren!!! Ultimate Jackal time!
... Of course, this is all speculation. Who also happens to be Aunt Mays new Boyfriend. Irony.

He's really with her only to get close to Peter to get some real experaments and clones out of him... but that's just what I think.

freezedoom
Hope that the clone won't melt at the end of the saga.
That's a bad story twist.

Dan-El
I'm still not totally convinced that this chick IS the new SS...
chucktaylor
She looks more like Spider-Woman to me. Hmmm....
Spideys Sister
Then shed be part of the Ultimates.Tha chic IS rockin Venoms emblem...
symbiosis
I have a really bad feeling that she is going to be something like a perfected version of carnage only instead of weird clone or Pete's Dad it will be a cone of Mary Jane, Gwen Stacey, or like someone else said a Female version of Peter........ I really hope that I am wrong, but I would like to see ultimate carnage or venom appear in this series tho!
chucktaylor
I'd rather have NO Clone Saga in the Ultimate universe.
Don't they EVER learn?!
Dan-El
Originally posted by chucktaylor
I'd rather have NO Clone Saga in the Ultimate universe.
Don't they EVER learn?!
Come on, the beginning was great! I love Scarlet Spider!
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by Dan-El
Come on, the beginning was great! I love Scarlet Spider! Who the hell doesn't? It's the comics that scared the crap out of everyone. Otherwise, this wouldn't be a big deal. It'd be just another remake like all these damn movies...
Dan-El
Yeah, but Chuck said he/she didn't like the saga! I did in the earlier issues, back before the whole "Ben Reilly is Peter" confusion, and then the whole retcon at the end.
I did like Ben taking Pete's place for a while, though.
Spideys Sister
Then everyone said....
"Holy crap! Spidermans a dumb blond!"

freezedoom
You know, Ultimate Spider-Girl (or Ultimate Spiderwoman)
kinda looks like She-Venom (Koto K's version) except for
the face, the hands and the spider symbol.
Sparkz
I don't see why every1 hated the clone saga sure they got carried away but it wasn't exactly the worst writing ever, the only thing I didnt like about it was how the Jackle went from get revenge on Peter to killing the entire planet :s
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by freezedoom
You know, Ultimate Spider-Girl (or Ultimate Spiderwoman)
kinda looks like She-Venom (Koto K's version) except for
the face, the hands and the spider symbol. Ult Spidergirl was kitty pryde.. we don't know who this is... yet.
chucktaylor
Dan, I'm a he.
And to me, the Clone Saga was a waste of character.
Except for Scarlet.

Dan-El
Kaine was a waste? Early Jackal was a waste? And, come on, JACK? HIS MIDGET CLONE OF PETER?! THAT WAS A WASTE?!
I liked it! I loved it! The only waste was the Maximum Clonage thing.
Spideys Sister
No the waste was bringing it to the 90's TV show. THAT was the waste.
freezedoom
The real waste was Spiderman Unlimited cartoon
series.
Spideys Sister
Now I liked that.. except for venom... that was crazy.
Dan-El
I think they should have brought him back to Earth. They could've had a really good cartoon going there.
Dan-El
Just get rid of the costume after his return
freezedoom
And they ended the series with a ''to be continued'' episode.
Dan-El
I found the cover to issue 100, the final (I believe) issue in the Clone Saga arc. From Wikipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/ULTSM100_100.jpg
It seems to be a compilation of all the Spidey poses from every cover of Ultimate.
H. S. 6
That's frikkin awesome.
freezedoom
The Clone Saga is from issues 97 to 105.
And they didn't show US 99's cover yet.

mordamor22
I hope Bendis doesn't mess this up..
chucktaylor
That cover looks awesome.
And I still don't like the Clone Saga. I'm not up for arguements but its just my own personal opinion.
Dan-El
Well what about Ben Reilly? You like him?
chucktaylor
He is Scarlet Spider.
Although it went boring when he became Spidey.

doctorstrongbad
I'm telling you..the clone saga it never happeend. ugh Runs behind a wall and hides. lol
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by Dan-El
I found the cover to issue 100, the final (I believe) issue in the Clone Saga arc. From Wikipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/ULTSM100_100.jpg
It seems to be a compilation of all the Spidey poses from every cover of Ultimate. Look at all the spideys! They're not all from the Ultimat covers. I know. I have all of them. If they all got together they could freaking take over the world. lol. Three things I'm wondering about.
A) Which is Kaine?
B)What will Ultimate Jackal look like
C) Where is Spideys clone sister...lol
seriously.
Dan-El
I don't think there'll be THAT many. Maybe just the trinity of Spidey, Scarlet, and Kaine.
Ultimate Kaine would be interesting... I mean, since Pete's still just a sophomore or a junior in High School
littleredhat
I think the "clones" are just people who used
a serum made from Peter's blood.
If you remember correctly Peter's powers
came from an attempt to make a super
soldier drug for the government ala Captain America.
The "clones" are the first wave of
human testing in a new type of
human weapons but in order for
them to make a more perfect serum
they need more of the source. They need Peter's blood.
So they sent their experiments to
capture him. What's in Peter's veins is
now the most wanted substance on earth.
Spideys Sister
Dan-El he's a sophmore. Even though he should be a jounior by now. and hey... you never know. Just show him faced with about 50 or so versions of him then leave you hangin.
LRH
I can see where you're comming from. I really generaly think that the REAL Ben reilly will clone Pete and SS will kill him by accident and take his identity... like Deadpool and Wade Wilson.
chucktaylor
That took me some time to conjure up SS...

Dan-El
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
I really generaly think that the REAL Ben reilly will clone Pete and SS will kill him by accident and take his identity... like Deadpool and Wade Wilson.
Wait, you think Scarlet is going to kill Spidey?!
Spideys Sister
No. He'll kill the real Ben Reilly. Sorry. Didn't mean to confuse you.

chucktaylor
Im confused...
Spideys Sister
Just smile and pretend you know what anyone's talking about.
Dan-El
I doubt Pete will kill Ben/Jen (if that chick IS the Ult. Scarlet). He's not a killer. I think he/she will go into hiding, or go find him/herself (like the 616 Ben did)
Spideys Sister
Confusion makes people do stupid things. You never know.
chucktaylor
Suicide? Hahaha!
Dan-El
I still refuse to believe that... But maybe Bendis wants a dark approach, lol!
Spideys Sister
He has a tendacy to have people introd in but he doesn't do what he's supposed to and they end up dying not too far off. Like Gwen. He was supposed to have her and Petey have a relationship. They Didn't. So he says... "okay, I gotta kill her off cause theres nothing I can make go on between them." He killed her off with his worst Bendis origanal screw ups. Which sucked then sucks now.
H. S. 6
Anybody read 96?
I thought it was decent. Kind of anticlimactic, though.

Dan-El
That's how it is with Ultimate Arcs that are 2 issues long...
H. S. 6
Originally posted by Dan-El
That's how it is with Ultimate Arcs that are 2 issues long...
Still not an excuse.
Spideys Sister
That's how it is with Bendis running the show...

H. S. 6
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
That's how it is with Bendis running the show...
You can bash Bendis all you want, but Ultimate Spider-Man wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today (possibly never even created) if it weren't for him.
Spideys Sister
I have no problem with brian at all. Duh, He's what got me into Spidey in the first place. The only prob I have with him is the problems he creates for himself. He took a great popular villan like carnage and down graded him in the eyes of all his fans. Then there was the clash between the game (which he helped write the story for) and the silver sable arc.
My point is He doesn't mean to make these sorts of problems for himself. He just does. We can't blame it on stan cause he's not in the mix anymore.

So it's either Brian... or the people who allow him to go through with these things..... wait...
Dan-El
Yeah, it seems that no one double checks Bendis's work for errors, let alone Bendis himself.
You want to know what would help? If he mapped out how the Ultimate Spidey storyline was going to progress over the next 2 years, including notes not to write dialogue that interferes with continuity (I will never forgive the Eddie Brock error from the 1st Doc Ock arc). Robert Kirkman has done this with "Invincible", and everything has worked out fine so far.
You know what I think? I don't think Bendis is as big a fan of Spider-Man as other writers...
NiņoAraņa
ya kno, i dont wanna b "that guy" but
scans?

Dan-El
Huh? Sorry, I must've missed the point of that
Xam
i wanna start reading these ultimate books or wtv,anyone can help me out...prices,places...etc...
Dan-El
Well, I'd honestly start from the beginning. That's where Bendis and Bagley shined! Ultimate Spider-Man vol. 1-3 are probably my favorites, in that they have the origin, Green Goblin (one issue), the Enforcers, the Kingpin, Electro, Spidey's unmasking, the Daily Bugle gang, Doc Ock, and a quite comical revamp of Kraven the Hunter.
So yeah, currently the graphic novels are the way to go. If you want to go ahead and jump the gun, the latest arc starts this month ("Clone Saga"

. You may not know all the characters just yet, but it's okay; you learn as you go!
Hope that helps!
Xam
yeah man thanks,ill go to the comic book store and pick a few issues up...u know if its hard cover or just paper covers???
Dan-El
Both, my friend. I prefer paper, but if you don't want them to get too damaged... well, you know the way to go. Paper is the cheapest!
Xam
cool thanks man...last questions :P how many issues??
Dan-El
Issue 100 is coming out this fall, I believe.
grey fox
So am i right in assuming that Ult Scorpion is ether a clone of parker or has some of his powers ? I don't honestly know since Ult comics in Britain are as common as diamond encrusted gold bars .
Dan-El
Originally posted by grey fox
So am i right in assuming that Ult Scorpion is ether a clone of parker or has some of his powers ? I don't honestly know since Ult comics in Britain are as common as diamond encrusted gold bars .
Though I haven't read that issue yet, I'd say that it's safe to assume the answer is yes to Scorpion having Pete's powers. It's a logical assumption.
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by Dan-El
Both, my friend. I prefer paper, but if you don't want them to get too damaged... well, you know the way to go. Paper is the cheapest! I prefer the volume collections... they're more cost effective. My whole collection is the volume book... except 1 and 2... I got them together as a hardcover.Originally posted by Dan-El
Well, I'd honestly start from the beginning. That's where Bendis and Bagley shined! Ultimate Spider-Man vol. 1-3 are probably my favorites, in that they have the origin, Green Goblin (one issue), the Enforcers, the Kingpin, Electro, Spidey's unmasking, the Daily Bugle gang, Doc Ock, and a quite comical revamp of Kraven the Hunter.
So yeah, currently the graphic novels are the way to go. If you want to go ahead and jump the gun, the latest arc starts this month ("Clone Saga"

. You may not know all the characters just yet, but it's okay; you learn as you go!
Hope that helps! I agree but the only thing wrong with :jumping the gun" is missing Spideys good puns and things they don't tell you in the plot summery... I was dying the whole time I had vol 4 and 6 but not 5. I wanted to know WHY Pete was shot and by WHO and what led to this... Great vol. One of my favorites.
H. S. 6
97 was a decent issue, but did anyone else notice the coloring seemed a bit... I don't know... off?
So, Scorpion is the clone of Petey. Interesting...
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by H. S. 6
97 was a decent issue, but did anyone else notice the coloring seemed a bit... I don't know... off?
So, Scorpion is the clone of Petey. Interesting... They've had a new colorer since...86
Doc Ock
Originally posted by Dan-El
Well, I'd honestly start from the beginning. That's where Bendis and Bagley shined! Ultimate Spider-Man vol. 1-3 are probably my favorites, in that they have the origin, Green Goblin (one issue), the Enforcers, the Kingpin, Electro, Spidey's unmasking, the Daily Bugle gang, Doc Ock, and a quite comical revamp of Kraven the Hunter.
I agree. Those are the best of USM.
Though I really love the Hollywood arc too.
Spideys Sister
That's only cause it had Doc Ocks comback tour.

Dan-El
Hey, Ock is pretty much the only villain that hasn't had a major revamp! The major difference is that he worked at Osborn Industries and gained the arms in the same accident as Norman's. He's ****ing harsh!
Spideys Sister
Other than that he's probably one of the only villans that hasn't pissed of his fans... Horay!
Dan-El
I guess. The only villains that pissed me off were Carnage, Morbius, and... oh, Geldoff. He's not in 616 canon, but he's still irritating.
Spideys Sister
Yeah.. wtf was the point of the irrisposible arc ... besides Pete and MJ getting back tgether with one of the most explicit make out scenes... I was kinda grossed out.
Doc Ock
Ultimate Ock rocks. Best villain in USM.
Worst has to be Carnage and the Scorpion. Oh and Hobgoblin was pretty bad too.
Dan-El
Agreed with Ock, though I have yet to read the issue with Scorpion.
symbiosis
I think that the scorpion being mixed in with the whole clone thing is retarded but his costume kicks A$$!!!
H. S. 6
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
They've had a new colorer since...86
I know that, but something seemed to be wrong with the printing, or something. I don't know. Maybe it was my copy.
symbiosis
No, it wasn't just your copy it does seem like the colorist was a little drunk when he did this issue! and is there usually two inkers? that might have something to do with it.
DBZ MAN
I think the idea of using the scorpian as the clone identity of Peter was an excellent idea. The powers of each are very similar so it makes sense.
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by H. S. 6
I know that, but something seemed to be wrong with the printing, or something. I don't know. Maybe it was my copy. That's how I felt with vol 9... but I realized it was just to make us feel special.Originally posted by DBZ MAN
I think the idea of using the scorpian as the clone identity of Peter was an excellent idea. The powers of each are very similar so it makes sense. Oh, lord... I just want to see Spidey and Carnage as one in the same again like in the game. They do that and Bendis can do what ever the *** he wants to that comic. But he MUST redeem carnage. It's mandatory.
H. S. 6
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
That's how I felt with vol 9... but I realized it was just to make us feel special.
I see... This makes me feel all--I don't know--warm and fuzzy inside.

Dan-El
I read issue 97 today, and I have to say that I enjoyed it thoroughly. Pete's line of there being a "new sherrif in crazy town" to Aunt May was hilarious! The colors and pencils were kind of a throwback to the look of the early USM issues, and I love the story so far!
Using Scorpion as the springboard for the clone saga makes more sense to me than using Mac Gargan. That'd be a whole involved process, and would probably need it's own arc. The way that Bendis is presenting this whole thing totally redeems the ridicuolous clone saga storylines nearly ten years ago. I'm looking forward to the rest!
grey fox
This looks like it might just make USM....
Spideys Sister
Yeah is scorpion Mac? Or is he an EX sheild like vulture too... big let down.
Dan-El
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
Yeah is scorpion Mac? Or is he an EX sheild like vulture too... big let down.
Scorpion isn't Mac.
Scorpion is the first clone of Peter Parker.
It makes sense, since Scorpy is the first villain to kick off the ultimate clone saga.
H. S. 6
And they do have similar powers.

Dan-El
Originally posted by H. S. 6
And they do have similar powers.

Exactly. I think there could have been waaay worse ways to handle it, and we all know that bad ideas seem to be Bendis's style, lol!
Spideys Sister
I was gonna get 97 today happy I didn't although my BF skimmed through and showed me it was Petes clone. I wish I had more money. Still happy I picked Deadpool prts 1+2 over it though.
H. S. 6
Hehehe. I am a sneaky devil...
Lookie what I found while re-reading my Ultimate Spider-Man issues... That Bendis is a liar.
(By the way, this is from the reader letters at the end of the issue.)
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3936/ultspideylettersfromishou9.jpg
And he went out of his way to make a big deal out of it and insult Reilly fans. Pity, really.
Sorry. Had to post that.

Spideys Sister
Ben Reilly is real. Note: USM vol 11.

Dan-El
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
Ben Reilly is real. Note: USM vol 11.
Haha, yeah, I laughed at that one too.
Spideys Sister
So, no new updates on the clone saga or who the hell the chic in tights is?
Dan-El
Not till August 8th, sadly. Just another two weeks.
Dan-El
Hey, SS, what happened to the old sig?
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by john allerdyce
its a fricken girl Girls can kick ass too...Originally posted by Dan-El
Hey, SS, what happened to the old sig? Trying to find my self at the moment and weaiting for my scanner so I can show you more of my Spidey and SS fan art. I'll change it back sometime in the middle of the week.
Dan-El
So, I just finished with #98 of USM (Clone Saga pt. 2), and I have to say that I'm pretty pleased so far. The mystery of this female Spider-Clone has just started to build. She seems to resemble Ben Reilly in a lot of ways, but we'll have to wait and see how this plays out.
Oh, and I loved Spidey taking his other clone to the F4. The interplay between the group and Spidey was great!
The only problem is some of the smudgier inking. I miss Thibert...
Spideys Sister
The next colorist is great though you have to admit.
john allerdyce
Originally posted by Dan-El
So, Spider-Woman or the new Scarlet Spider? new scarlet spider
steverules
That's pretty good
john allerdyce
and scopians peter parkers clone as well
john allerdyce
Originally posted by steverules
That's pretty good i made it
steverules
Yeah I thought so, it looks cool
Doc Ock
The latest issue rocked.
So many shocks and surprises in it. Can't wait to see what happens next. Clones EVERYWHERE!!!
Dan-El
This is how I figure it:
This female clone is the new Scarlet Spider, and this second clone, the one whose face hasn't been shown, is our Ultimate Kaine. In 616, Kaine is all about protecting MJ, as is this one.
Now, what I'd really like to see is a twist, in that the chick we're led to believe is the Scarlet Spider is really a genetically engineered human using Peter's DNA and "the Suit" as a base, not the entire DNA pattern. Then she can be the Ultimate Spider-Woman!
And then... in issue 100... the full page splash of Ultimate Scarlet Spider!
Oooh... I got chills!

freezedoom
I can't want either. I just love her.
When I saw how she fought Peter in US 98 right before
the end, it reminded me of KK's version of She-Venom.
Ok, they might have different fighting styles, but they're still
good, man.
doctorstrongbad
I wonder if they will start to combine the two different fighting styles? You know, like adapting to survive.
Spideys Sister
Okay guys. I jacked this off of SHH just for you. She is in fact a Peter Parker clone... only her defualt is... no duh... the fact that she's a girl. She does in fact have that same Peter Parker humor as seen here.
freezedoom
I know, I've got some scans of that encounter,
So cool.

freezedoom
I was surprised that Ultimate Scarlet Spider can create
webbing on her fingertips.
Fascinating....
Doc Ock
Who's your favorite Ultimate Spider-Man villain so far, and why??
Mine is Doctor Octopus. They've taken all his characteristics from the regular comics and given them a great ultimitization. Not to mention he's pure evil. He's killed so many people. And he ripped Peter's tooth out
I know there's been some more villains like Scorpion, Kraven, Hammerhead etc, but the poll only allows 10 options. So if your fav villain is not on the poll then by all means specify who your fav is.
spencerspider
Hobgoblin lol
Doc Ock
I hated him.
He barely even spoke.
Silverstein
didnt Hobgoblin get busted by the Hulk Busters lol
Dan-El
Well, obviously this clone saga has ties to the Suit (created by Richard Parker and Eddie Brock, Sr.) and Ben Reilly (the lab assistant to Dr. Conners) and Ultimate Carnage because both Black Suit Spidey and Carnage were able to shoot webbing from the fingertips.
... Well, mainly black suit.
Dan-El
Hobgoblin sucked ass. There was so much plot room to have Harry slowly evolve (not to be taken literally) into the Green Goblin, but noooo. Bendis just HAD to bring back the uncontrollable goblin.
I know that USM is all about revamping for the 21st century, but there are some things you just shouldn't **** with in relation to the comics.
1.) The reds and blues
2.) The web-shooters
3.) Goblin history
I swear, I've had to kill too many people asking "when does Harry become the Hobgoblin" for Bendis to do that to me. Now I have no trunk or closet space at all, and no reason for it!
spencerspider
well gosh lol i liked him cuz he was harry.. never said he was coool but my fav is harry so... u know who i had to go with. o and dan el did u literally kill them lol? time to go hide.. anyway as for the coolest (not my fav) it'd be ock or venom. carnage arc was strange
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by freezedoom
I know, I've got some scans of that encounter,
So cool.

Post.Originally posted by freezedoom
I was surprised that Ultimate Scarlet Spider can create
webbing on her fingertips.
Fascinating.... Well the fact that she has the Venom emblem on her chest doesn't sugest anything...

freezedoom
Wait, I don't think you understand.
She's just a clone and even though the spider emblem
on her chest looks the one on Venom's, she doesn't have
a symbiote.
H. S. 6
Wow...
#98 was f*cking awesome. Can't wait for 99.
H. S. 6
Doc Ock.
Although Eddie Brock/Venom is close.
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Doc Ock.
Although Eddie Brock/Venom is close. Co-signed.
Doc Freakin took Peter to Spain to kick his ass.

I think it was Spain.... It was some Spanish country.
Okay a few things... :
A) Why is Shocker on this list? His ass has been kick three times to date. Not including the ass kickings he got in the game.
B)Why is Carnage on this list? Really. I mean he was THE worst villan in USM. Only because he got the Ultimate Treatment. I understand he put up a hell of a fight but other than that he shouldn't be on this list.
C) GG is... hmm.. I'm just gonna leave this one alone. Just this once.
D) Scorpion rocked. 2 reasons.
1: He's Pete's F***ing clone! How awsome is that?!
2: He's probably one of the few villans from the 616 universe that isn't a complete moron anymore. Like Rhino.
Now. Ringer.

That was a funny guy! He says he's from Missouri but he's from Ohio. How funny is that?!

I loved that issuse. It just reminds you there are still some funny villans in Spideys life. I acctually have the first page of that comic as my cell phone wallpaper.... Okay I'm done.
freezedoom
All the Ultimate villains look and act dumber than their
original versions.
Phoenix2001
My fav would be Venom.
Although I don't really agree with how the writers have totally changed his origin, the story does put on more of a realistic telling of Eddie Brock/Venom, and making it more interesting for me as a reader. And I just love how the writers made the story more dramatic by creating a stronger bond/relationship between Spidey/Peter and Venom/Eddie.
Dan-El
Originally posted by freezedoom
Wait, I don't think you understand.
She's just a clone and even though the spider emblem
on her chest looks the one on Venom's, she doesn't have
a symbiote.
Her genetic structure was created from the symbiote, much like Ultimate Carnage was. At least, that's what makes sense to me.
Doc Ock
Originally posted by freezedoom
All the Ultimate villains look and act dumber than their
original versions.
Care to explain why you think this??
In Shocker's case it's obvious, but what about the others??
doctorstrongbad
I think they are waiting before the explain the details. That way, it will make people wait in suspense.
doctorstrongbad
I like the ultimate version of Scorpion.
Spideys Sister
Originally posted by Dan-El
Her genetic structure was created from the symbiote, much like Ultimate Carnage was. At least, that's what makes sense to me. I figured that was the case. Wasn't sure but it seemed most likely to be.
H. S. 6
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
B)Why is Carnage on this list? Really. I mean he was THE worst villan in USM. Only because he got the Ultimate Treatment. I understand he put up a hell of a fight but other than that he shouldn't be on this list.
Think of the Carnage arc as a prequel.
I have a feeling we're going to see the real Carnage soon enough (bonded to Cletus Kassidy). We've already seen the serial killer's name come up, so I have a feeling he'll make his showing soon.
This helps me not hurt myself while re-reading the Carnage arc. dodgy
NoFate007
That's what I'm hoping too. I want Carnage to bond to C.K. and go on a kill crazy rampage like none other so far.
So far though, my favorite is probably Venom, but I like what they've done with Doc Ock and PARTIALLY what they've done with Electro. Still not digging the look 100%, but its sure as hell better than the starfish mask.
doctorstrongbad
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
I figured that was the case. Wasn't sure but it seemed most likely to be.
I think they will tell us when they want to give the exact reason why. The writers love to keep people in waiting.
Dan-El
Like I said, I'd be thoroughly impressed if they threw us for the loop and introduced the Ultimate Scarlet Spider as we expected HIM to be. Very impressed.
doctorstrongbad
I do like Electro's new style. I like Scorpion better in general.
Ultraman Baltan
The Green Goblin character was ruined incredibly. 616 Norman is amazingly badass. But in the Ultimate stories, he's a hulk ripoff that has the intelligence of a four year old. It sucks.
Carnage was ruined as well. In 616, he was a lame plot device villain made to look and be scary. Now we have a poor man's Clone Saga, which is even worse.
Venom was really well done, to tell you the truth. He was scary, interesting, and has a much better motive and backround than 616 Brock.
Hobgoblin was just plain stupid. Kingsley was the coolest darn Hobgoblin ever, and Harry just isn't helping.
Electro was not badly done. While I prefer 616 Max, this guy was more relatable as an adversary. Not bad. Not bad at all.
Kingpin was well made. Not the mastermind I was looking for, but it could have been worse.
Shocker is a nice pullback from the constant "all great supervillain of the month". He was interesting.
Rhino was too little seen to judge. Nice design, though.
Didn't see Vulture.
Morbius was fantastic. I loved him in the Ultimate series. Pitch perfect. The only character in Ultimate that I like better than in 616.
Still, I'm going with Dr. Octopus. They kept him completely solid, if not better. Morbius at close second, though. Then Venom.
Silverstein
who's that dude that whispered in Hobgoblin's ear...
SnakeEyes
What has been your favorite Ultimate Spider-Man story arc so far?
Discuss!

H. S. 6
Probably 'Hollywood.'
Or the Venom arc.
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