Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

I think it's about time people realise the connection between Sun Worship, and the illuminati. This subject has pretty much been neglected, But plays such amjor role in the Illuminati conspiracy, it's ridicules that it hasn't had a thread yet. So my friends let Ashtar enlight you on what roles does it play.

One of the most familiar symbols of our time is the cross of Jesus Christ

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Christ_pantocrator_daphne1090-1100.jpg


This symbol is synonymous with the Crucifixion of Christ, but where did it come from, and is it really associated with Christianity?

First lets us go back to the Crucifixion of Christ, Though the Gospel does not specifically describe the instrument that Jesus died upon, tradition has it that he was put to death on a cross; consisting of a stake and a crossbeam. The Greek stauros is sometimes used to describe a simple stake, and other times a more complex form such as the cross. To determine what appearance the stauros took in Jesus' death, we need to consider what the Greek language tells us, what history tells us, and most importantly, what the Bible tells us.

From the definition we find that, stauros is an upright stake and not a cross. so where did this cross come from?

The cross is an ancient symbol which predates christ, infact it has many variations including the Swastika.The sun cross is a cross inside a circle, one of the oldest and most universal religious symbols , and a traditional neopagan solar symbol. It is also known as the suncross, solar cross, sun wheel, sunwheel, sun disc, Odin's cross, and wheel of Taranis. It is sometimes called a "Gnostic cross".

So why is this symbol compared to christ?

It's because of the catholic church, I'm sure many people here now by now that many so called "Chirstian Holidays" are infact pagan. Easter is another pagan holiday also, so what are these holidays and why are they intergrated into catholicism?

Christmas and Easter are derived from several pagan holidays, such as : The festival of Saturnalia,Yule, etc
these festivals are honorings of the winter soltice ( the longest night of the year)


Some other names for this Sabbat that are used less commonly are: Sun Return, Pagan New Year, Saturnalia (Roman), Great Day of the Cauldron, and Festival of Sol.

The winter soltice involves the death of the sun god, this theme is seen many time in many religions. the reason being is Solar worship or heliolatry is pre dominate in many religions.


"Sun worship is a possible origin of henotheism and ultimately monotheism. In ancient Egypt's Eighteenth Dynasty, Akhenaten's heretical Atenism used the old Aten solar deity as a symbol of a single god. The neolithic concept of a solar barge, the sun as traversing the sky in a boat, is found in ancient Egypt, with Ra and Horus. Proto-Indo-European religion has a solar chariot, the sun as traversing the sky in a chariot. In Germanic mythology this is Sol, in Vedic Surya and in Greek Helios and (sometimes) Apollo. Mesopotamian Shamash plays an important role during the Bronze Age, and "my Sun" is eventually used as an address to royalty. Similarly, South American cultures have emphatic Sun worship"

"The "missing sun" motif is a theme in the myths of various cultures. It may have served to explain any of several natural phenomena, including the disappearance of the sun at night (the Egyptian version of the motif described below is an example), the shorter days during the winter (for example, the Japanese one mentioned below), or even solar eclipses. Most myths following the motif involve the disappearance of a solar deity, through imprisonment, exile or death."

good thread

doesnt really fit in here, well sort of and i didn't want to start a new thread just because of it.. but this presentation should give viewers a grass root understanding of symbolism..

Subversive use of Symbolism in the Media
by Michael Tsarion

Part1
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8875751284579583762&q=tsarion

Part2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4306735945697288438&q=tsarion

Part3
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2233997338138922977&q=tsarion

Part4
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2392398489053775506&q=tsarion

Part5
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8629717732608750704&q=tsarion

Part6
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=219076393586369255&q=tsarion

Originally posted by David Tsarion
good thread

doesnt really fit in here, well sort of and i didn't want to start a new thread just because of it.. but this presentation should give viewers a grass root understanding of symbolism..

Subversive use of Symbolism in the Media
by Michael Tsarion

Part1
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8875751284579583762&q=tsarion

Part2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4306735945697288438&q=tsarion

Part3
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2233997338138922977&q=tsarion

Part4
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2392398489053775506&q=tsarion

Part5
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8629717732608750704&q=tsarion

Part6
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=219076393586369255&q=tsarion

No it's great. it definetly fits here.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
One of the most familiar symbols of our time is the cross of Jesus Christ

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Christ_pantocrator_daphne1090-1100.jpg


This symbol is synonymous with the Crucifixion of Christ, but where did it come from, and is it really associated with Christianity?

First lets us go back to the Crucifixion of Christ, Though the Gospel does not specifically describe the instrument that Jesus died upon, tradition has it that he was put to death on a cross; consisting of a stake and a crossbeam. The Greek stauros is sometimes used to describe a simple stake, and other times a more complex form such as the cross. To determine what appearance the stauros took in Jesus' death, we need to consider what the Greek language tells us, what history tells us, and most importantly, what the Bible tells us.


I hope this isn't another mistake like the one you made about the great seal's translation of Annuit Coeptus....

anyone who thinks jesus existed is wrong

Anyone who thinks he didn't, despite the masses sof evidence, is wrong.

Originally posted by Deano
anyone who thinks jesus existed is wrong

Deano, what makes you the expert in everything?

No bashing please...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No bashing please...

Just asking a question.

It has nothing to do with the "concept", there have been loads of so called savours, and more will appear.
The proven blood line from David, and other prophecies which came true concerning him make Jesus unique. That and anyone who has read the bible accounts of him and his sayings must surely realise he is something special.

Instead of just repeating what you read on some website, or saw on some documentry It would eb best to actually read the Bible, a modern one with all this "thou art" business missing.

Jesus was a real person, whether he was the son of God is questionable

wheres the evidence for your claim?

Originally posted by Deano
wheres the evidence for your claim?

Dead sea crolls, gospel,michigan tablet, tale of st.essa. etc.

there is no strong proof of Jesus existence to this day. There is no record of Jesus from his age.

Originally posted by Deano
there is no strong proof of Jesus existence to this day. There is no record of Jesus from his age.
Deano, What do you consider strong evidence?

historical records claiming his existence, eyewitness accounts of his miracles,biography of his life. that sounds like strong evidence to me, especially when it comes to historical evidence. how is it not strong evidence, yet when have the same sketchy evidence indicating Julius Cesar existed it's okay?

Again, whether he was a real man is indisputable, whether he was the Son of God is questionable

Originally posted by Bicnarok
It has nothing to do with the "concept", there have been loads of so called savours, and more will appear.
The proven blood line from David, and other prophecies which came true concerning him make Jesus unique. That and anyone who has read the bible accounts of him and his sayings must surely realise he is something special.

His blood line was never connected to david, and none of the prophecies came true.


Originally posted by Bicnarok

Instead of just repeating what you read on some website, or saw on some documentry It would eb best to actually read the Bible, a modern one with all this "thou art" business missing.

I own a bible, and read alot, I suggest you do the same, at least you would have some credibility.