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Name 5 particular things you dislike in comics. Propably already done, but Search Function didn't really help me (What is it good for anyways?)

I'll start.

1. Pointless jobbing/PIS. People tend to job if they're against a more famous/well known hero, ignoring their power levels. For example Wolverine, Cap are well known for their jobber auras . And then on the other hand, some characters are just so powerful that they must job in order to make a comic book interesting to read. No one wants to read about a charcter getting owned by a greater character in a second (Sentry vs Iron-man?) Perfect example of someone who jobs is Darkseid, or Jobbernaut.

Buuut. Comic books differ from reality. If.. Let's say Wolverine owned Hulk, that would be considered PIS, stupid etc. As Hulk (Based on the stats) should win Wolverine 9/10, but maybe this win in a comic book is supposed to represent the minor case of Wolverine winning.. Uh, I dunno.

2. Pointless Drama Some form of drama is good, as I doubt not many want to read about constant action and bland characters. But do they need to include some stupid things. For example most of the relationships occurred on the pages of X-men. (Emma, Jean & Scott drama was better) Angel & Elisabeth, Storm & everyone. *Sigh*

3. Unexplained things How many times have you been left to wonder: "How The Hell Did That Happen?" Etc. Some random plot twists and suchSome things are best to left unexplained but most of the stuff.. Bleh, it seems as the writers have pulled some of the story twists/events from their buttocks.

4. Resurrection Speaks for itself

5. "Hi, I'm your closet relative/Son from a different timeline/reality" Speaks for itself.

Your turn What ticks you off? Random big posts etc

I'll name one thus far, and get to the rest later

1. Over-satruation: I'm growing tired of the A-listers getting all the lime light and appearing in like 6 seperate books while other great characters may only appear once every few months. For such a world of diversity, the companies are placing all their chips in their mainstream heroes and not allowing others to be given a chance. It's safe marketing, but it gets bland...very bland

That coming from you isn't unexcepted, but it's a good point nonetheless

Superman hulk wolverine and i don't know the other 2 yet

I don't like the fact that every villain and their mother comes back from the dead. I would like some villains to go out in a blaze of glory and not to have it cheapened with a resurrection.

Although saying that it's quite cool that some villains like Green Goblin or Dr Doom always come back

The worst thing about comics are the readers, obviously.

Characters that make everyone else look like shit.

I don't like peak human or barely superhuman characters that are portrayed as invincible.

Number one is f*cking contradictions AAAARGH!!!

the most recent case i have read is ultimate X-men. Prof X says he doesn't read minds without permission. He says this to Magneto and Beast, However he reads Iceman's mind and erases a girlfriend and their conversation from his memory. He also tells Beast that he knows who alerted the media to Angel's presence as he is the world's most powerful telepath meaning he has read the X-Men's mind to find out who did it.

2. Pricing: Why is the currency charge so different between the American and Canadian prices? last time I checked the Canadian dollar is 0.89 to the US dollar, so the inflation for the Canadian prices is pretty unreliable and not justified.

Wolverine. Marvel puts him up to the job too much. They show more powerful just coz he is popular. And in DC Superman. He is one of my favourite, but sometimes they do too much for him.

1. Terrible, Campy Dialogue: Self explanatory.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Name 5 particular things you dislike in comics. Propably already done, but Search Function didn't really help me (What is it good for anyways?)

I'll start.

1. Pointless jobbing/PIS. People tend to job if they're against a more famous/well known hero, ignoring their power levels. For example Wolverine, Cap are well known for their jobber auras . And then on the other hand, some characters are just so powerful that they must job in order to make a comic book interesting to read. No one wants to read about a charcter getting owned by a greater character in a second (Sentry vs Iron-man?) Perfect example of someone who jobs is Darkseid, or Jobbernaut.

Buuut. Comic books differ from reality. If.. Let's say Wolverine owned Hulk, that would be considered PIS, stupid etc. As Hulk (Based on the stats) should win Wolverine 9/10, but maybe this win in a comic book is supposed to represent the minor case of Wolverine winning.. Uh, I dunno.

2. Pointless Drama Some form of drama is good, as I doubt not many want to read about constant action and bland characters. But do they need to include some stupid things. For example most of the relationships occurred on the pages of X-men. (Emma, Jean & Scott drama was better) Angel & Elisabeth, Storm & everyone. *Sigh*

3. Unexplained things How many times have you been left to wonder: "How The Hell Did That Happen?" Etc. Some random plot twists and suchSome things are best to left unexplained but most of the stuff.. Bleh, it seems as the writers have pulled some of the story twists/events from their buttocks.

4. Resurrection Speaks for itself

5. "Hi, I'm your closet relative/Son from a different timeline/reality" Speaks for itself.

Your turn What ticks you off? Random big posts etc


You should've just said you hate X-Men comics.

Bad characterization. See the current Nightwing book for a prime example.

Originally posted by Murda Ma$e
You should've just said you hate X-Men comics.

Actually I'm a big fan of X-men, but their stories haven't been the same lately, they've became quite bland and unorginal IMO. Still I can't find anything better to read. Meh.

Nonetheless, you made a good observation. Nearly all of my examples were related to X-men.. *Thumbs Up*

Originally posted by Jyppe
Actually I'm a big fan of X-men, but their stories haven't been the same lately, they've became quite bland and unorginal IMO. Still I can't find anything better to read. Meh.

Nonetheless, you made a good observation. Nearly all of my examples were related to X-men.. *Thumbs Up*

Hve you read astonishing? it's quite good imo...

1. CIS: If you want to give a character a wide variety of powers, let them use those powers, or at least give them some sort of a reason not to. Don't have it so Superman can speedblitz, but he doesn't use it more than once every 10 years. In real life, Superman would use it EVERY TIME to take out his villains. Don't have Flash get hit by virtually anything or anybody if you make him as powerful as he is. Deathstroke shouldn't be able to lay a finger on this guy unless Flash stands still and begs him to touch him.

2. "The Revolving Death Door": Don't kill off a character just to sell a few comics and then bring him/her back a week later. It cheapens the concept of death in comics. Now you can't even kill Jason Todd off without having him come back. Make a character's death mean something more than "I wonder how long it will be before we see blah blah come back to life without an explanation."

3. Clones: Enough with the clones, the parallel worlds, etc. Apparently in the comic world, clones aren't even close to the needle in the haystack that they really are. There's been what, that sheep, and that's it? However in the world of comics, anybody who has any scientific knowledge can produce a clone of someone that has already aged to the same time frame?

4. Secret Identities: Don't make Lois smart enough to deduce Luthor's plans in a moment's notice and too stupid to realize that Clark is Superman just because of his glasses. I know heroes aren't supposed to tell people their identities, but give me a break. Peter just happens to fit the same height and weight as Spider-Man, never be seen with him, is always running off when Spider-Man is popping in, and coming back with bruises from his fight, but EVERY TIME he was just "missing out on the action"?

5. Relatives: Does it have to be that every relative down to the third cousin removed on my mother's side has to become a villain or something? Knock it off. Not everyone in every family is important lol.

Retcons are a biggie

I also hate when a supporting character/villain goes through a major character developement story...... only to have it completely ignored in their next appearance (i suppose this falls under the heading of "continuity errors"

CIS? PIS? Can someone explain whar those acrnyms?

I hate the whole die now come back in a few months just to have an impact at the moment said death/resurrection happens. Is so bad nowadays that wehn a character dies I really dont care because I know it will be back.

I hate different variations of the same book to squeese more money out of the fans. Xmen has like 10+titles with new ones showing uo every few months. Avengers now is gonna have 2 different titles(New Avengers, Mighty Avengers), Punisher and Punisher:War Journal not to mention that all characters in said team needs an ongoing series also and if aint that, they make a huge storyline like Civil War(which I love) or Infinite Crisis in which they have tons of tie-ins and in some cases tons of aftermaths like 52, not only is 52 issues but they are weekly and the worst part is they dont bother to lower the comic books price.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
CIS? PIS? Can someone explain whar those acrnyms?
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

ADDS-


I was looking at a Batman issue from around 1998, and in the middle of the thing was 4 straight pages of adds.

Yes sometimes adds are cool because they take back in time. Not only do you see the what the comic book was like back at a certain time, but what alson what the world was doing.

but sometimes its ridiculous

Originally posted by Tshern
Ever tried second hand book shops? You can find comics which are decently priced in almost any of those stores. My comic collection pretty much originates from a single shop, which also sells the American originals, for example, I've been buying Civil War Frontline and Annihilation from that store (brand new!).

Of course this all depends on where do you live and how much extra money you have and so forth. Where, by the way, do you live?

Yes, couple of times. Exactly why I have some pearls in my collection. IG, IC etc. But The few places I visit don't really have any marvel/DC comics any more, I've bought lots of them. I live near Helsinki, I know only 2 or 3 second-hand bookshops.. Where do you live?

I live in Turku. I've been to Helsinki quite a few times and even I have seen second hand book shops. There's at least one right next to Filmifriikki (I think). I was there once and I just saw the comic shelf and had a glance at it before realising that the shop sells pretty much porn only. It was embarrasing.

And you can order them from Akateeminen Kirjakauppa. Not sure how much does it cost though...

Thanks, I'll look into it.

#6. I hate it when a character will save the day just because he/she is popping up for the first time in a while. IE, if say you send Gambit off on some journey and he doesn't pop up in the comics for a while. Then out of nowhere he does - he can't just pop up. He has to save them all in some weird way in a display of powers that he should be able to do all the time but doesn't due to pis/cis.

No Gundams

http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/msg/mechanics/images/ms_gundam_b.gif

I would probably say that I hate when writers simply power someone up or depower someone in a comic for no reaso nwith no explanation other than that is what they needed to have happen so the guy can win.

the perfect example of this is Superman and is pull a move out of nowhere power that wins the battle i na few panels when if he could have done that from the begining he should have

I get sick of cross-overs some times.

When you 13 or 14 you only have so much money to spend

Does Catwoman really need her own comic

Superman
Superman
Bad writing
Superman
Superman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
2. Pricing: Why is the currency charge so different between the American and Canadian prices? last time I checked the Canadian dollar is 0.89 to the US dollar, so the inflation for the Canadian prices is pretty unreliable and not justified.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cant agree with you more

CURSE YOU OVER-PERFORMING CANADIAN ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but ya
expository diologue (so what if you have to set the story, if they want to know they will read the previous book)

Some Guest Artists(like in some of the old comics one artist i remember made her look like a maneer ) others were good

thats all i can think of

Resurrections Okay, it was really cool that Superman came back to life after his death. Giving him an edge over other characters. However, this became a trend which really needs to be over. Once a character dies....he dies! Period! No Divine or magical or even Scientific methods to bring back the dead. It's over!

Advertising FFS! Comic books are already costing too much for 32 pages. WTF do they hate to take nearly 5 pages of stupid product ads to? Case in point the recent Batman comics and other DC comics titles had this stupid ad that ran 5 pages. That's not friggin right! One page is cool but to make so many damn pages for some candy or electronic device....NO!!!!!

No more mail pages For those of you who remenber the good olde days in which you would write a letter and they were kind enough to post it and comment...what happen? they don't bother to care about us anymore?

Subscriptions Must have a credit card (which I do have one) nowadays you have to have a credit card. I remenber renewing my subscription by mail. Sending a money order or check. Can't do that anymore.

Free Posters Inside Haven't seen anyone doing this anymore. I used to buy two same issues just for a poster. This would be nice if they offer free posters again.

Some books still have the mail/Q&A at the end of the issues.Cable/deadpool has it where you talk to Deadpool pretty cool.

"Subscriptions"are retarded I just got an issue today that came out 3 weeks ago...

1- Ressurections: Damn Jean Grey... If i'm wrong, she was the first character, at Marvel at least, to return from the dead which was originally intended to die. If not the first, she was certainly the one which made it fair game. Now, a character dies and you start to count the minutes from it's return.

2- Alternate reality characters: Don't get me wrong, i'm OK with alternate realities, but the characters from these realities should remain there and the 616 ones at best pay a visit and go away.

3- Retcons: Every story you love has the risk of sooner or later be ruined by a writer who will create some background story which changes everything, and sometimes ruin these stories or some characters forever (hello, forget everything you read or know about her, Gwen Stacy is a WHORE!).

4- Everybody knows everybody: Sooner or later, you'll find out that your favorite character, the one which you know everything about, has a past with another character you know, even though there's no mention of it or any indication at all in the 500 times they encountered before. Wolverine specially knows the entire Marvel Universe, he probably even went to a strip-club with Thanos and Black Bolt in the 60's... and they fought Sabretooth in the ladies bathroom.

5- Inmate breeding: Of course, it helps that every chick which is not a Morlock is hot and most male heroes are good looking or at least strong and manly, but why do every character on a group must be attracted or in love to at least one other member of this group? This happens in nearly every group, except for the Fantastic Four, but in the X-men specially. Why they can't just go out, damn it? They're all powerful, and have at least money enough to buy some flowers or to pay for a motel room, go find a chick/dude elsewhere!


In all cases, there are exceptions, of course, but generally few.

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
Does Catwoman really need her own comic
Considering the quality of that book, I would say yes.

She sucks.

Originally posted by newjak86
I would probably say that I hate when writers simply power someone up or depower someone in a comic for no reaso nwith no explanation other than that is what they needed to have happen so the guy can win.

the perfect example of this is Superman and is pull a move out of nowhere power that wins the battle i na few panels when if he could have done that from the begining he should have Superman purposely doesn't do that by his own admission. He explained it once recently in JLA Classified, and many many other times.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman purposely doesn't do that by his own admission. He explained it once recently in JLA Classified, and many many other times. Ok but Superman doesn't really do anything the writers do it covering their backside trying to make it seem alright.

In truth though the writers especially in Pre-C days gave Superman whatever he needed to win simply because he wasn't allowed to loose its that simple. I mean look at T-VO or soul vision. Whatever the writer needs to give superman what he needs he gets it on the spot despite the fact he has never used it before and will probably never use thse powers again.


Basically Superman is the worst case because unlike say Thor who would get a temporary power up in some random comic Superman gets them all the time and still does it seems.

Wolverin is becoming a another classic example of this.

Originally posted by newjak86
Ok but Superman doesn't really do anything the writers do it covering their backside trying to make it seem alright.

In truth though the writers especially in Pre-C days gave Superman whatever he needed to win simply because he wasn't allowed to loose its that simple. I mean look at T-VO or soul vision. Whatever the writer needs to give superman what he needs he gets it on the spot despite the fact he has never used it before and will probably never use thse powers again.


Basically Superman is the worst case because unlike say Thor who would get a temporary power up in some random comic Superman gets them all the time and still does it seems.

Wolverin is becoming a another classic example of this. Superman didn't invent Torqasm Vo or Torqasm Rao.
It was taught to him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman didn't invent Torqasm Vo or Torqasm Rao.
It was taught to him. Yes but how many times did he use it and did he have to learn it to win the fight.

Exactly it was another ability given to him simply for sake of him winning.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf


Free Posters Inside Haven't seen anyone doing this anymore. I used to buy two same issues just for a poster. This would be nice if they offer free posters again.

Its the part of that thinks comics aren't the fun they used to be, but hey thats just me i guess.

I don't see too many things anymore like...

Hologram covers, Special edition in a bag with a bunch of stuff (death of superman), foil covers, glow in the dark covers, and yes mini posters.

I'm not doing subscriptions anymore

The comics come like way late
A green lantern from 2 months ago finally showed up today.
Sometimes when they do, they come bent and whatever.
My Batman #655 looks like the mail man sat on it.