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Darth kreiger has decided to refute the 200 plus smoking guns, can he succeed?

First one!


1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

It was a training mission that happens I believe Monthly in case of Soviet/Chinese attack. It doesn't take 1000 Fighter Jets to shoot down a 767, and we did have a few Fighters up by the captured planes, I think personally they should have shot them down, but they wern't prepared for this. And to back this up "REDUCING the ammount of fighters" we still had a few left, and our Nation is never undefended, patrolling the coast would be useless, we just needed them by the Planes to shoot em down

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
First one!


1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

It was a training mission that happens I believe Monthly in case of Soviet/Chinese attack. It doesn't take 1000 Fighter Jets to shoot down a 767, and we did have a few Fighters up by the captured planes, I think personally they should have shot them down, but they wern't prepared for this. And to back this up "REDUCING the ammount of fighters" we still had a few left, and our Nation is never undefended, patrolling the coast would be useless, we just needed them by the Planes to shoot em down

You have any proof it happens monthly, I mean you have to post irreuftable proof.
It was originally scheduled for september 10-14, seems fishy to me.

NEXT ONE!

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

I'm going to have to go with the official statement that it was a Biowarfare exercise to begin with, as we have training missions going on weekly with all branches of the Military. They wern't taking risks, and this happened after the towers collapsed (the speech). They probably said to Evacuate, like all the other buildings in the area were, since the danger of another Plane, or the Trade Centers collapsing, parts falling down etc etc. You have to think of this in the moment it happened, they wouldn't sit back and say, "Well it's never happened before, so why should we worry?"

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
NEXT ONE!

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

I'm going to have to go with the official statement that it was a Biowarfare exercise to begin with, as we have training missions going on weekly with all branches of the Military. They wern't taking risks, and this happened after the towers collapsed (the speech). They probably said to Evacuate, like all the other buildings in the area were, since the danger of another Plane, or the Trade Centers collapsing, parts falling down etc etc. You have to think of this in the moment it happened, they wouldn't sit back and say, "Well it's never happened before, so why should we worry?"

First one doesn't count, you have to debate them not just put your spin on things.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You have any proof it happens monthly, I mean you have to post irreuftable proof.
It was originally scheduled for september 10-14, seems fishy to me.

It's a guess, I don't know for certain, but it was Officially reported as training in the event of the Commies attacking, and training happens on a regular basis

Try to tear apart the 2nd one please, going to go work on the Third

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
It's a guess, I don't know for certain, but it was Officially reported as training in the event of the Commies attacking, and training happens on a regular basis


The training was scheduled for September 10-14.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Try to tear apart the 2nd one please, going to go work on the Third

You haven't even properly explained the first one.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The training was scheduled for September 10-14, yet was rescheduled?


What? No, the training was Scheduled for that day, but we always keep several fighters stationed here in the Continental States, and there were a few up as soon as they figured out which ones were Hijacked, they had the ability to shoot the planes down but they didnt

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
What? No, the training was Scheduled for that day, but we always keep several fighters stationed here in the Continental States, and there were a few up as soon as they figured out which ones were Hijacked, they had the ability to shoot the planes down but they didnt

Have you read this article from the toronto star?

http://www.911readingroom.org/bib/whole_document.php?article_id=92

Let's not forget, for the first time in 50 years norad stood down?

3rd
3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.


These Smoking Guns really like to have a Spin on them

Don't have anything to say on this Gun, more training missions

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Have you read this article from the toronto star?

http://www.911readingroom.org/bib/whole_document.php?article_id=92

Let's not forget, for the first time in 50 years norad stood down?

"It was a scenario unlike any NORAD had trained for." Taken right from that link.

So that official report debunks the 3rd one, they didnt even know before the Towers were hit

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
"It was a scenario unlike any NORAD had trained for." Taken right from that link


"The second one was: it looks like a plane is going to be used as a missile, shoot it down Again, what a gutsy call. Unprecedented, that we may have to shoot down a civilian airliner to prevent a greater disaster. And that decision was made very quickly."

Taken right from the link, and issued by president George W, Bush.

"The second one was: If it looks like a plane is going to be used as a missile, shoot it down. Again, what a gutsy call. Unprecedented, that we may have to shoot down a civilian airliner to prevent a greater disaster. And that decision was made very quickly."

The Decision = NORAD didn't shoot it down, it did not say who made the order, which obviously was to not do so

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
"The second one was: If it looks like a plane is going to be used as a missile, shoot it down. Again, what a gutsy call. Unprecedented, that we may have to shoot down a civilian airliner to prevent a greater disaster. And that decision was made very quickly."

The Decision = NORAD didn't shoot it down, it did not say who
made the order, which obviously was to not do so
Yes, it does say who made the order, did you read the article

4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.


See other posts, are the next Guns the ones listed under Dick Cheney on page 2?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yes, it does say who made the order, did you read the article

Oh misread the text, that means he ordered the Planes Shot Down, he didn't say keep it up, that coverup would be pretty hard without those Planes wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.


See other posts, are the next Guns the ones listed under Dick Cheney on page 2?

Yep, I knew it, your just gonna put your spin on things

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yep, I knew it, your just gonna put your spin on things

My Spin? I said see other posts as 4 & 5 refer to 1 & 3?
How is that putting a Spin on things?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
My Spin? I said see other posts as 4 & 5 refer to 1 & 3?
How is that putting a Spin on things?
What soucre have you offered or evidence have you mustered that proves your point?

1.) The Gun itself, it says Training Missions Scheduled
2.) I read these on Wiki, I'll go get the links

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
First one!



Originally posted by Darth Kreiger

It was a training mission that happens I believe Monthly in case of Soviet/Chinese attack. It doesn't take 1000 Fighter Jets to shoot down a 767, and we did have a few Fighters up by the captured planes, I think personally they should have shot them down, but they wern't prepared for this. And to back this up "REDUCING the ammount of fighters" we still had a few left, and our Nation is never undefended, patrolling the coast would be useless, we just needed them by the Planes to shoot em down

Wrong, NORAD did not pull fighters when the FAA warned them to, let's not forget the FAA gave the president over 100 warnings about prior to 9/11 that terrorist were planning something involving planes.

What the hell happened to the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory page on Wiki? It's botched up

I guess it wasn't all the Planes, but the one that hit the Ground, it had an escort Fighter there capable of Shooting it down

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yep, I knew it, your just gonna put your spin on things ....wow....just.....wow.....you've proven time and time again K. Diddy is better than you.

Well I'll continue this tommorow when the Wiki page is working on my Computer

King, please leave this thread, despite you defending me, it's meant for me and Ashtar only to debate

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
....wow....just.....wow.....you've proven time and time again K. Diddy is better than you.

So, why are you still posting?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Well I'll continue this tommorow when the Wiki page is working on my Computer

King, please leave this thread, despite you defending me, it's meant for me and Ashtar only to debate Anyone may post whereever they please.Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, why are you still posting? What the hell does you being worse than K. Diddy have anything to do with me posting?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Well I'll continue this tommorow when the Wiki page is working on my Computer

King, please leave this thread, despite you defending me, it's meant for me and Ashtar only to debate

Wikipedia isn't a good information source, please quote a newspaper like I've been doing, or any other article that refutes my claim.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Anyone may post whereever they please. What the hell does you being worse than K. Diddy have anything to do with me posting? you said you were leaving, and comeback in a thread I started, I guess the choice was"Idiot" and not a selective reader

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wikipedia isn't agood information source, please quote a newspaper like I've been doing, or any other article that refutes my claim. Wiki is a good reference, as usually the informatiom is cited to a newspaper, or other atricle.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
you said you were leaving, and comeback in a thread I started, I guess the choice was"Idiot" and not a selective reader I said I was leaving. I never specified what I was leaving. Meaning YOU are the selective reader.....****tard.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Wiki is a good reference, as usually the informatiom is cited to a newspaper, or other atricle.

No, it's not, wiki can be written by anyone, that's why it's a crappy source. type ashida kim on wiki and you will see my point, I remeber once there was a picture of Darth sidious in an article for the pope

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
I said I was leaving. I never specified what I was leaving. Meaning YOU are the selective reader.....****tard.
Sure king of idiots, you say your leaving because of me and return to my thread, how dumb can you get.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sure king of idiots, you say your leaving because of me and return to my thread, how dumb can you get. How dumb can you get, Emperor *******? You're Constantly stirring the shit, throwing accusations around constantly, being stubborn and uncooporative, and lacking good grammarical skills. You fail at KMC, Troll.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it's not, wiki can be written by anyone, that's why it's a crappy source. type ashida kim on wiki and you will see my point, I remeber once there was a picture of Darth sidious in an article for the pope I said it's USUALLY a good source, not always. Especially if what they're saying is cited to something else, like many of the 9/11 things are.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
How dumb can you get, Emperor *******? You're Constantly stirring the shit, throwing accusations around constantly, being stubborn and uncooporative, and lacking good grammarical skills. You fail at KMC, Troll.

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You sure showed how intelligent you are by cursing, insulting, and being a complete moron. If you ask me KMC failed by letting you become a member.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You sure showed how intelligent you are by cursing, insulting, and being a complete moron. If you ask me KMC failed by letting you become a member. Nearly everyone curses, YOU'VE been doing nothing but insulting, rather than refuting anything, and you are a complete moron (which, when you called me that, was an insult, PROVING that you're a hypocrite.) KMC failed by letting you use smilies, because you never use them appropreately. Nothing anyone has said in this thread was funny. You're either laughing because you're concieted enought to laugh at your own insults, or your sense of humor is perverted.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Nearly everyone curses, YOU'VE been doing nothing but insulting, rather than refuting anything, and you are a complete moron (which, when you called me that, was an insult, PROVING that you're a hypocrite.) KMC failed by letting you use smilies, because you never use them appropreately. Nothing anyone has said in this thread was funny. You're either laughing because you're concieted enought to laugh at your own insults, or your sense of humor is perverted.

You called conspiracy theorist moron initially,moron, and you complain
Your a joke, that's why I laugh

Darth Kreiger

APRIL 10--Under pressure from the September 11 commission, the White House today declassified and released an intelligence digest given to President George W. Bush weeks before the 2001 terrorist attacks. The confidential President's Daily Brief (PDB) for August 6, 2001 contained a two-page section entitled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US," and refers to possible hijacking attempts by Osama bin Laden disciples and the existence of about 70 FBI investigations into alleged al-Qaeda cells operating within the United States.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/0409041pdb1.gif
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/0409041pdb2.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6cKNkjE7Ws

at the very least the administration had prior knowledge, no ?

of course those documents and the clip are not the only evidence that strongly indicates prior knowledge they are just good points to start with.. you Sir are free to post evidence to the contrary.

PS: and whats your position on NORAD ?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I687jvb2uf8
( 3 mins )

Wikipedia is his source, and were not credible.

wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that clown thinks wrestling is real..

Originally posted by David Tsarion
wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that clown thinks wrestling is real..

Pretty much.

I love when you add attacks after your information, it REALLY helps you debate

Wikipedia is a credible source, Moderators check if the info is correct, and if there arn't many sources listed, they say at the top of the page, that it needs more.

It said in your own link that Norad had not prepared for Internal Attacks, but External. Big deal if President Bush and VP Cheney were incharge, if you read Ashtar's link from before, it says that Bush ordered the Planes shot down, so how is he going to cover up his little plan that you think happened without them?

David, do not use links from Infowars, or anything else made by Alex Jones, he reads information and says that it's some Conspiracy, and when he tells his followers to go research on their own, you have that in your mind that it's a Conspiracy, and you think so when you read the Info.

I do not deny that the Government knew Al Quada wanted to attack the US, but we didn't think they could pull anything on this scale off. President Bush had only been in office for a few months, not even a full year, funny how you think they could plan this in that short a time

Should I even bother posting against you? Your mind won't ever be changed

Originally posted by David Tsarion
wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that clown thinks wrestling is real.. Techniquelly werestling is real.

It is a real television show, event, and what not. However, the acts they preform are fake. Saying wrestling isn't real would be like saying movies aren't real. Because they exist in the the media, but the things they preform aren't real.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You called conspiracy theorist moron initially,moron, and you complain
Your a joke, that's why I laugh That's not a scentence.

Originally posted by David Tsarion
Darth Kreiger

APRIL 10--Under pressure from the September 11 commission, the White House today declassified and released an intelligence digest given to President George W. Bush weeks before the 2001 terrorist attacks. The confidential President's Daily Brief (PDB) for August 6, 2001 contained a two-page section entitled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US," and refers to possible hijacking attempts by Osama bin Laden disciples and the existence of about 70 FBI investigations into alleged al-Qaeda cells operating within the United States.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/0409041pdb1.gif
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/0409041pdb2.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6cKNkjE7Ws

at the very least the administration had prior knowledge, no ?

of course those documents and the clip are not the only evidence that strongly indicates prior knowledge they are just good points to start with.. you Sir are free to post evidence to the contrary.

PS: and whats your position on NORAD ?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I687jvb2uf8
( 3 mins ) And how does that prove anything. There is nothing stating it's an official government document. Someone could've just photoshoped that.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
And how does that prove anything. There is nothing stating it's an official government document. Someone could've just photoshoped that.

Man your an idiot, it is a federal document.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Man your an idiot, it is a federal document. There's no official sumbol recognizing it's a federal doc.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
There's no official sumbol recognizing it's a federal doc.

maybe if you read the document, you would see it say's "DE-CLASSIFIED" not all federal documents have the symbol, for instance PDB.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Man your an idiot,

yep.so true.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Man your an idiot,

yep.so true. Smarter than you SFB.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Smarter than you SFB.

hysterical

Well I'm sure it is official, but it saying "DeClassified" doesn't actually prove it is real

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Well I'm sure it is official, but it saying "DeClassified" doesn't actually prove it is real
De classified means, it's no longer secret and can be devulged to the public
Honestly, do you know what your talking about?

Yes I know what it means, but look what I can do
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This Page is De-Classified to the Public August, 16th, 2006

Chocolate Cake is tastey!

This is only for the Eyes of the User Emperor Ashtar
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It says De-Classified, it must be Official in your Logic

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Yes I know what it means, but look what I can do
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This Page is De-Classified to the Public August, 16th, 2006

Chocolate Cake is tastey!

This is only for the Eyes of the User Emperor Ashtar
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It says De-Classified, it must be Official in your Logic

You can get your hands on that perticular de classified inforamtion if you doubt it.

You do realise this, right?

Ugh, I'm not doubting that it's official, but the point you made was "It says "De-Classified" so that makes it official"

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Ugh, I'm not doubting that it's official, but the point you made was "It says "De-Classified" so that makes it official"
I just told you if you don't belive it's official, you can get your hands on it.

And I just said that I didn't doubt it was Official, this is why you are impossible to debate with.....

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
And I just said that I didn't doubt it was Official, this is why you are impossible to debate with.....

If you don't doubt it, then were not debating anything.

You're right, we arn't, but you can't seem to Comprehend very well

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
You're right, we arn't, but you can't seem to Comprehend very well

Then don't waste your time on me, don't feel obligated to debate me.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wrong, NORAD did not pull fighters when the FAA warned them to, let's not forget the FAA gave the president over 100 warnings about prior to 9/11 that terrorist were planning something involving planes.

yep and he ignored them all.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sure king of idiots, you say your leaving because of me and return to my thread, how dumb can you get.

yep thats the King of idiots for you.

Originally posted by David Tsarion
wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that clown thinks wrestling is real..

I think thats a given.

Yeah Parker, I'm the idiot, who's the one posting, useless, poorly spelled, Moronic, Immature sentences?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Yeah Parker, I'm the idiot, who's the one posting, useless, poorly spelled, Moronic, Immature sentences?

No, your an idiot, who keeps posting and debating, people he belives to be non credible.

Yes I'm debating against people who have no credibility, you think the same obviously, as you say "Lolz, you live in a Fantasy world Sheep" on a regular basis. That is merely an insult to make you look much smarter than you really are.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Yes I'm debating against people who have no credibility, you think the same obviously, as you say "Lolz, you live in a Fantasy world Sheep" on a regular basis. That is merely an insult to make you look much smarter than you really are.

Right, I say that in a daily basis, despite not saying it in this thread. look smarter, right, clearly I'm a genius since I quote:newspapers, and other public sources.

Did I ever say in this thread? Nope, no I didn't, you love to put words in my mouth, therefore you lose credibility, you call yourself a Genius, but do you know who those Reporters are generally talking to? Conspiracy Theorists! In the end, when you're beaten, you resort to personal attacks, pathetic

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Did I ever say in this thread? Nope, no I didn't, you love to put words in my mouth, therefore you lose credibility, you call yourself a Genius, but do you know who those Reporters are generally talking to? Conspiracy Theorists!



They talk to conspiracy theorist, you get worst, and worst.
And, what words did I put in your mouth?

I believe you mean Worse and Worse, but I'll forgive you since you don't follow logic anymore


You take things that I say, and add WAY differant meanings to them, and use that as a quote

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
I believe you mean Worse and Worse, but I'll forgive you since you don't follow logic anymore

Avoiding a question, by correcting grammer, classic.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar



See, you're just proving my point right now, and I didn't avoid anything, but you make it sound like I did, you're a master at your work

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
See, you're just proving my point right now, and I didn't avoid anything, but you make it sound like I did, you're a master at your work
No, I pale in compariso to you, oh ye GOD of lies. :

Actually I have never lied, but you say that I do with things I never said, or you twist words, and I wasn't talking about Lieing

(Again, Reading Comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours)

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Actually I have never lied, but you say that I do with things I never said, or you twist words, and I wasn't talking about Lieing

(Again, Reading Comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours) That's a fact, and the same is of Mr. Parker.

He said to me "you're a shame to you dead brother" (he was in the WTC on 9/11/02)

However, he didn't read my entire scentence, because I clearly wrtoe that I "almost lost' my brother. Insinuating that he didn't die. So he didn't comprehend anything. ANd he calls me an idiot

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
He said to me "you're a shame to you dead brother" (he was in the WTC on 9/11/02)

A comment like that is beyond reproach and should be worthy of a ban whether your brother died or not in that event. Actually, making that comment while believing that he did die is morally reprehensible, disgusting and of low character.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Actually I have never lied, but you say that I do with things I never said, or you twist words, and I wasn't talking about Lieing

(Again, Reading Comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours)
Blah,blah,blah, you lied, I caught you, now you deny.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Blah,blah,blah, you lied, I caught you, now you deny.

Actually, the instance of which you speak, he did not lie.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
A comment like that is beyond reproach and should be worthy of a ban whether your brother died or not in that event. Actually, making that comment while believing that he did die is morally reprehensible, disgusting and of low character. Agreed. and he has the audacity to put me on ignore.Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Blah,blah,blah, you lied, I caught you, now you deny. No you didn't. You've constantly twisted my/his words to use them for your advantage. It's a low tactic that involves hypocrisies and no conscious, but you seem to have those qualities.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
That's a fact, and the same is of Mr. Parker.

He said to me "you're a shame to you dead brother" (he was in the WTC on 9/11/02)

However, he didn't read my entire scentence, because I clearly wrtoe that I "almost lost' my brother. Insinuating that he didn't die. So he didn't comprehend anything. ANd he calls me an idiot


Wow, just plain Wow

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Wow, just plain Wow

Agreed, apologies are in order, at least PM an apology. That comment was disgusting.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Agreed, apologies are in order, at least PM an apology. That comment was disgusting. I think when he said "wow" he was trying to make me look stupid, but whatever.

No, I was saying I can't believe he said something like that

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
No, I was saying I can't believe he said something like that Oh, I mistook you for someone else....my bad.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Actually I have never lied, but you say that I do with things I never said, or you twist words, and I wasn't talking about Lieing

(Again, Reading Comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours)

thats the biggest lie of all the fibs you have told so far. He only has proven that you lie constantly all the time by quoting your lies and posting them right there for you to see. the one here with a reading comprehension problem here is you. you cant even read correctly your own lies that he posts for you by qouting them for you to see. ANOTHER issue your in denial on.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats the biggest lie of all the fibs you have told so far. He only has proven that you lie constantly all the time by quoting your lies and posting them right there for you to see. the one here with a reading comprehension problem here is you. you cant even read correctly your own lies that he posts for you by qouting them for you to see. ANOTHER issue your in denial on. You say he has a reading comprehension problem, when you constantly skew his words to make them seem like lies or whatever. ANd when you can't even tell the difference fro "Lost" and "almost lost." You are an apprehensible person. Stop laughing, because the only thing funny is you and your misguided beliefs.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats the biggest lie of all the fibs you have told so far. He only has proven that you lie constantly all the time by quoting your lies and posting them right there for you to see. the one here with a reading comprehension problem here is you. you cant even read correctly your own lies that he posts for you by qouting them for you to see. ANOTHER issue your in denial on.


Yeah, cause you know he actually has quoted a single one, no he hasn't, he took parts of my sentences, such as saying because I respect Winter, who was not even in the thread, made me an obvious liar. Hmm, what does him not being in the thread have anything to do with me respecting him, or being a liar?

(Predicted response from Parker," Lolz, stop livingg ina Fantazy Warld Sheep"

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Yeah, cause you know he actually has quoted a single one, no he hasn't, he took parts of my sentences, such as saying because I respect Winter, who was not even in the thread, made me an obvious liar. Hmm, what does him not being in the thread have anything to do with me respecting him, or being a liar?

(Predicted response from Parker," Lolz, stop livingg ina Fantazy Warld Sheep"

Your liar, you can defend yourself all you want, but, your a liar.

Yeah, you havn't quoted a single lie, and all you can do is act like a child now, YOU'RE A LIAR!

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Yeah, you havn't quoted a single lie, and all you can do is act like a child now, YOU'RE A LIAR!

No, your a liar, why are you geeting so mad liar?

I gave you a news source, and you claim you never got it, despite debating me on said news source, your a liar.

And you won't quote it, and again, all you can say now is "You're a Liar!" like a child

Here's when I gave you a news link

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, same currency, parliment, and soon to be Supra military.

http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/article.php3?id_article=323



Here's your response

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
At first I thought that was a credible News Site, that looks like another Conspiracy thing. It's going to be the use of the same weapons, coordination of Armies and Tactics. They are stiill differant countries. The EU won't even be a threat if this is true, they have France on their side
But seriously, they arn't going to be that dangerous, European Countries are pretty Neutral.


Here is another one I gave you

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
http://www.eurocorps.org/

Here's your response

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Thats basically NATO, or the UN security force....Not the total army

Here's a third one I gave you

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You are aware that north america is forming a union,right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCeWQ9Ge38


here's your response

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Ugh, the Unions arn't making a Giant one big country, it is trade agreements, Economic and Military support for the countries inside of them, etc etc. This is just a step up from NATO

Your a liar.

Not one of those was the News Link in question

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Your a liar.

and cant even admit the obvious.how pathetic.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Not one of those was the News Link in question

Lying, again, what was the news link in question?

Because all of those, were about the north american and european union.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You sir are a liar

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50981


Taken directly from Page 12, of the September 11th Thread, for which you accused me of being a liar, if you don't believe me check it yourself, since you can no longer edit it

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, same currency, parliment, and soon to be Supra military.

http://www.internationalviewpoint.o...?id_article=323

laughing



Here's your response

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
At first I thought that was a credible News Site, that looks like another Conspiracy thing. It's going to be the use of the same weapons, coordination of Armies and Tactics. They are stiill differant countries. The EU won't even be a threat if this is true, they have France on their side laughing
But seriously, they arn't going to be that dangerous, European Countries are pretty Neutral.




Here is another one I gave you

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
http://www.eurocorps.org/



Here's your response

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Thats basically NATO, or the UN security force....Not the total army



Here's a third one I gave you

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You are aware that north america is forming a union,right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCeWQ9Ge38




here's your response

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Ugh, the Unions arn't making a Giant one big country, it is trade agreements, Economic and Military support for the countries inside of them, etc etc. This is just a step up from NATO


And in case you decide to change those, copied and pasted

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Relink, as I never seem to have got it, one of your Conspiracy friends must have added 3 pages of "Evidence"

Same page, you clamied I never gave you a news link.

when I clearly gave you 3, you are a liar.

You said you gave me that link, to which I said I never got, truthfully, as you can't seem to come up with a quote of it, you my friend have lost, those were not the links in question, and that is the one you accused me of being a liar for, that was the only one from a respected news site, and I never got it

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
You said you gave me that link, to which I said I never got, truthfully, as you can't seem to come up with a quote of it, you my friend have lost, those were not the links in question, and that is the one you accused me of being a liar for, that was the only one from a respected news site, and I never got it

CNN is not a respective news site, because that was one of the alleged links you never got. Your a liar, nothing more to say, your a liar.

Hmm, that wasn't on there now was it? And I doubt it had to do with what we were talking about, now your just pulling crap out of your ass since you just made a big mistake

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Hmm, that wasn't on there now was it? And I doubt it had to do with what we were talking about, now your just pulling crap out of your ass since you just made a big mistake

So, you admitt you didn't look at the link, had you looked at it you wuld have seen a Cnn report on the north american union. but, you know what, your not worth my time.

Which link is that? The one I said that was a respected news site, or one that wasnt? So I'm not worth debating NOW? Or will you still ,since you/Parker seem to love coming back and debating me when you say you won't

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, you admitt you didn't look at the link, had you looked at it you wuld have seen a Cnn report on the north american union. but, you know what, your not worth my time.

thats what I concluded a long time ago and why I stopped responding to him.Like that other kid -the king of idiots, its pretty safe to say he also as well believes that pro wrestling is real as well.

Parker, you're not even debating anyone anymore, you just stand behind Ashtar and use a bunch of and agree with what he says

its like whats the point in debating someone who cant admit the obvious that he lies when you prove it to him by quoting him and posting his comments to see it and showing him his lies and he STILL denys the proof?

Again, I have never lied, and that wasn't proof, I asked for a respected news site, he said he gave me one, which he didn't, and then he linked me a new one out of nowhere and called me a liar in the same post

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Parker, you're not even debating anyone anymore, you just stand behind Ashtar and use a bunch of and agree with what he says
Lemme ask you one last question, you said if the illuminati was real, than people would rebel?

name one time in the history of man kind where the people have not supported t a dictatorship when it came into power?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
its like whats the point in debating someone who cant admit the obvious that he lies when you prove it to him by quoting him and posting his comments to see it and showing him his lies and he STILL denys the proof?
CNN did not come out of no where, anyone who has eye's could see i posted it with the other two.

Generally, most of them didn't like the person(like for instance Fidel Castro, and the Bay of Pigs), but could not stop them, I doubt that the Armies would all come together and have 1 World Government, especially with China, they have total Government control, and they would not accept this, the plan is not realistic, it would require EVERY government, and most of the World Population to want it.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Generally, most of them didn't like the person(like for instance Fidel Castro, and the Bay of Pigs), but could not stop them, I doubt that the Armies would all come together and have 1 World Government, especially with China, they have total Government control, and they would not accept this, the plan is not realistic, it would require EVERY government, and most of the World Population to want it.

Again, your ignoring my question, name a time in the history of mankind where a dictatorship was avoided because the masses did not like it?

So which one is CNN, InternationalViewPoints.com, Youtube, or Eurocorps.org? Worldnetdaily which you posted long after calling me a liar, and you said it was the link from before, which it wasn't, was the ONLY one that I said was trustable

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Again, I have never lied, and that wasn't proof, I asked for a respected news site, he said he gave me one, which he didn't, and then he linked me a new one out of nowhere and called me a liar in the same post

thats right Im not debating you kids anymore.Until you guys get to a maturity point someday in your life and stop living in denial because your afraid of the truth your not worth it.Him,david and myself have taken you to school countless of times and proven to you that the 9-11 commission is just a myth and you choose to still live in denial on it. so of course I am not debating you anymore.thats why david stopped debating you kids because you never even addressed any of his points he brought up. you guys just selectively TRY to disprove PARTS of our evidence we show you and then you ignore many other parts so of course I stopped trying to reason with you and the king of idiots because you dont want to know the truth.thats why david stopped debating you as well.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Again, your ignoring my question, name a time in the history of mankind where a dictatorship was avoided because the masses did not like it?

That wasn't your question

"Lemme ask you one last question, you said if the illuminati was real, than people would rebel?

name one time in the history of man kind where the people have not supported t a dictatorship when it came into power?"

This was, you didn't say it was stopped, most Dicatatorships have a majority of the Population that doesn't like them, but are eventually brainwashed (again Cuba)

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
So which one is CNN, InternationalViewPoints.com, Youtube, or Eurocorps.org? Worldnetdaily which you posted long after calling me a liar, and you said it was the link from before, which it wasn't, was the ONLY one that I said was trustable

Okay, I'm done, you just proved you didn't click on the link.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
That wasn't your question

"Lemme ask you one last question, you said if the illuminati was real, than people would rebel?

name one time in the history of man kind where the people have not supported t a dictatorship when it came into power?"

This was, you didn't say it was stopped, most Dicatatorships have a majority of the Population that doesn't like them, but are eventually brainwashed (again Cuba)

A majority that doesn't like them, I'm done... your joke later.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats right Im not debating you kids anymore.Until you guys get to a maturity point someday in your life and stop living in denial because your afraid of the truth your not worth it.Him,david and myself have taken you to school countless of times and proven to you that the 9-11 commission is just a myth and you choose to still live in denial on it. so of course I am not debating you anymore.thats why david stopped debating you kids because you never even addressed any of his points he brought up. you guys just selectively TRY to disprove PARTS of our evidence we show you and then you ignore many other parts so of course I stopped trying to reason with you and the king of idiots because you dont want to know the truth.thats why david stopped debating you as well.

Wrong, you wouldn't let us use any facts, YOU would just dismiss it as "Government Lies", your Mind can't be changed because Alex Jones put in your mind that it is a Conspiracy, so when you look at his "Evidence" you think it is.

Where the hell are you getting this "Kids" from? Since out of us 2, I'm the only one who can spell, you should rethink using that

when you say your done ash dont just SAY it though.stop replying to him.We both know him and THE KING OF IDIOTS are afraid of the truth and dont want to hear it.they arent worth the time and effort.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
when you say your done ash dont just SAY it though.stop replying to him.We both know him and THE KING OF IDIOTS are afraid of the truth and dont want to hear it.they arent worth the time and effort.

Hey, parker you heard norad is planning martial law in 2008?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
A majority that doesn't like them, I'm done... your joke later.

Umm yeah, what was the point of that statement? (I'll go out on a limb here, and say, Nothing)

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Hey, parker you heard norad is planning martial law in 2008?

damn no I hadnt?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
when you say your done ash dont just SAY it though.stop replying to him.We both know him and THE KING OF IDIOTS are afraid of the truth and dont want to hear it.they arent worth the time and effort. Wow. The apparent "truths" you've provided have been refuted. You just use "government lies" or "you're afraid of the truth" to cover up the fact that you're wrong. You don't want to believe anything that is out of you comfort zone. For some godforsaken reason, you want some type of conspiracy to occur in everything. You get pissed because someone made a movie where they made "man-spider" have organic webbing. Only CT's like yourself would actually care.

The constant bashing is also a tactic used to anger your opponent so they cannot prove you wrong. But we have. Several times. You just refuse to believe because you're afraid of the truth (yes I said it.) You live in a fantasy world where everything needs to have a twist or a turn. That often happenes, but in some cases (such as this one) the truth is as it seems.

You are a failure at debating, you're a failure at life, and you are a failure at society. GTFO of KMC, Mr. Parker.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
damn no I hadnt?

They've gone public since 2005, jordan maxwell said martial law should come around 2007/ 2008.

The NWO, and the higher ups are really eager. I link you the vids.

damn,yeah do that.

PART 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkH0SWJq3uQ


PART 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukO6jKMElg


PART 3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGd76mJzcTo

Jordan Maxwell seems discouraged, This why I've been saying we should focus on how to fight instead of disinformation.

Pathetic...completely pathetic.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Pathetic...completely pathetic.

yeah its completely pathetic that you live in a world of denial about 9-11 and other conspiracys and are so afraid of the truth about them that you allow the government to brainwash you with their lies.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah its completely pathetic that you live in a world of denial about 9-11 and other conspiracys and are so afraid of the truth about them that you allow the government to brainwash you with their lies.

Yes...that is exactly what I am talking about.

I fiond it interesting that not only do you not listen to those you debate against, but that you actually have to make up stuff about them in order to debate with (or in your case at) them.

If you actually read what people typed, and responded to that information, you'd look alot less silly.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah its completely pathetic that you live in a world of denial about 9-11 and other conspiracys and are so afraid of the truth about them that you allow the government to brainwash you with their lies.

This is bigger than the government.