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BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- John Mark Karr, a 41-year-old schoolteacher, has been arrested on suspicion of murder in the 1996 killing of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, authorities said at a news conference in Boulder on Thursday.

Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy wouldn't comment on the evidence, the nature of investigation or the timing of Karr's arrest in Thailand on Wednesday.

"There have been no charges filed at this time. There is a presumption of innocence," Lacy said.

The district attorney said authorities continue to examine evidence in the case. "There is much more work to be done," Lacy said.

"Let us do our job thoroughly and carefully," she asked the media.

Karr had begun working as second-grade teacher in Bangkok international school system on Tuesday, Lacy said.

Authorities in Boulder said they had been searching for Karr for weeks.

Karr said in Bangkok he was with the child beauty queen when she died in 1996 and called her death "an accident."

"I was with JonBenet when she died," he said. "I loved JonBenet."

Asked by a reporter if he was an innocent man, Karr replied, "No." (Watch Karr's admission -- 1:15)

Karr will be transferred to Boulder within the next week, said Ann Hurst, a Department of Homeland Security attache at the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok.

Karr's arrest came nearly a decade after JonBenet's body was found in the basement of her Boulder home -- setting off a media sensation.

The arrest also came less than two months after JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, died of cancer at 49.

Karr told The Associated Press he wrote Patsy Ramsey before she died to express his remorse.

"I conveyed to her many things, among them that I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," he told the AP, which described him as sweating and stuttering. (Read the interview with Karr)

Karr added that he believed Patsy Ramsey had read the letters he sent her.

Karr was arrested at his apartment in Bangkok.

According to colleagues at the Thai detention center where Karr was questioned, the suspect asked police what charges he was facing. When they replied first-degree murder, he said: "No, it's second-degree -- it wasn't intentional," said Lt. Gen. Suwat Thamrongrisakul, chief of Thai immigration. (Watch authorities describe what Karr said -- 14:54)

Abduction gone awry?
Suwat quoted Karr as saying that he tried to kidnap JonBenet for $118,000 ransom but that the plan went awry and he strangled her, according to an AP report.

Karr told questioners he drugged and then had sex with JonBenet before accidentally killing her, Thamrongrisakul told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Thamrongrisakul said he was not present for the questioning, which was conducted by U.S. law enforcement officials, according to the AP report, but was told of the interrogation.

Karr had been a suspect for a while, Hurst said, adding that her office and the Thai police worked closely for two months before a judge believed probable cause existed for an arrest. (A look at John Mark Karr)

Authorities in Boulder said the FBI, police in Atlanta and Cobb County, Georgia, and diplomats in Washington and Bangkok assisted in the investigation.

Karr's arrest was the culmination of an investigation that began after a University of Colorado professor, Michael Tracey, contacted authorities in Boulder.

Tracey, who produced a documentary about the JonBenet murder, had been in touch with Karr for at least two years, according to university spokesman Barrie Hartman. (Read how Karr corresponded with a college professor)

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she does not believe her former husband killed JonBenet because he was with her in Alabama at the time.

The arrest likely will dispel the cloud of suspicion that has hung over JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, ever since the girl's death on December 26, 1996. (Watch John Ramsey react to the arrest -- 2:17)

John Ramsey discovered his daughter's body after the girl had been reported missing that morning and Patsy Ramsey said she found a ransom letter demanding $118,000.

Ramseys always blamed intruder
Autopsy results showed JonBenet received a massive blow to the head and was strangled with a rope that the killer tightened by twisting an attached paintbrush handle.

The Ramseys maintained an intruder killed their daughter, but they remained the subject of suspicion in the case.

A grand jury investigation ended with no indictments.

John Ramsey said his wife knew investigators were pursuing a suspect before her death.

"Patsy was aware that authorities were close to making an arrest in the case, and had she lived to see this day, would no doubt have been as pleased as I am," the statement said. (Read the full statement)

Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister, said, "I don't feel that I need to stand here and say to the world, 'I told you so.' We are a family that has lived on the truth, and the truth as we knew it was that neither John nor Patsy, Burke nor any other family member had ever laid a hand on JonBenet." (Watch JonBenet's aunt react to the arrest -- 4:36)

Ramsey attorney Lin Wood said Karr "has some background" in Conyers, Georgia, an Atlanta suburb. Karr's father and brother live in the Atlanta suburb of Sandy Springs.

Karr's brother, Nate, said: "This whole thing is ridiculous."

Asked whether he knew the suspect, John Ramsey told KUSA-TV, "To my knowledge, no, I didn't, but I don't know enough yet to say for sure."

JonBenet is buried in Georgia, where the family lived before moving to Colorado.

Patsy Ramsey was laid to rest beside her daughter in Marietta, Georgia. On Wednesday, a family friend taped a note to her grave. It read, "Dear Patsy, justice has come for you and John. Rest in peace."

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BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - The American suspect in the killing of JonBenet Ramsey told investigators that he drugged and had sex with the 6-year-old beauty queen before accidentally killing her, a senior Thai police officer said Thursday.

An autopsy on Ramsey said a blood screening showed no drugs or alcohol in her body but said she had vaginal abrasions.

Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police, said by telephone that he was not present for the questioning, which was conducted by U.S. law enforcement officials.

But, according to what the general said he was told of the questioning, the suspect, John Mark Karr, "said he drugged the child." Suwat did not say who briefed him on the questioning.

Karr claimed he had sex with Ramsey, who was still alive, Suwat said. Karr said he then realized he had "accidentally" killed her, according to the general.

A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy said it had no information about Karr's alleged actions or what he said to questioners. U.S. and Colorado law enforcement officials were unavailable for comment.

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Look at this guy's photo. He's absolutely creepy!

Not surprisingly, his statements to the police are self-contradictory. On the one hand, he talks about how pretty Benet was and how much he loved her, and on the other hand, he's talking about how the plan was always to kidnap and then ransom her. I think this guy's motive was purely based on pedophilia, plain and simple. He's been implicated as having involvement with a child porn ring as well, I think.

I tell you what, I'm kind of surprised that there is actually an outside killer in this whole affair. I was convinced that the father was having sex with her and that the mother killed her out of some kind of misplaced jealously/revenge.

In any case, the parents were complete assholes for dressing their 6 year old up like a beauty pageant contestant. That's just asking for trouble...never mind the psychological damage to the little girl.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Look at this guy's photo. He's absolutely creepy!

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/APTOPIX_THAILAND_JONBENET_RAMSEY.sff_BK105_20060817034727.jpg

This just makes believe in that old saying:

"You can run...but you can't hide"

Glad they caught him.

In other news, a seven-year old black girl was raped and murdered two blocks away from her home.

Now, live, we return to our 24/7 coverage of a seven-year old white girl who was murdered 12 years ago....

Originally posted by Draco69
In other news, a seven-year old black girl was raped and murdered two blocks away from her home.

Now, live, we return to our 24/7 coverage of a seven-year old white girl who murdered 12 years ago....
what is interesting about this case is how its been a cold case for about 10 years so this is a major breakthrough in the case...

Originally posted by Lyna303
what is interesting about this case is how its been a cold case for about 10 years so this is a major breakthrough in the case...

Am I the only one who remembers the hype of the murder all those years ago?

The girl was on every damn magazine in the country.

Meanwhile, at the same time, a black girl really was raped and murdered two blocks from her home. And it's a cold case as well....

Originally posted by Draco69
Am I the only one who remembers the hype of the murder all those years ago?

The girl was on every damn magazine in the country.

Meanwhile, at the same time, a black girl really was raped and murdered two blocks from her home. And it's a cold case as well....
hmm...i guess it does have something to do with her junior pagent queen crap and how she is white....idn...

Originally posted by Lyna303
hmm...i guess it does have something to do with her junior pagent queen crap and how she is white....idn...

Pretty much. She looked a friggin' princess. Nobody cares about them colored folks in the ghetto...

I don't see any reasons to play the race card draco. I really don't....

I'm not saying I'm glad she's dead.

I am saying that it's completely blown out of proportion. A friggin decade.

Remember how many People magazine covers she graced?

A girl was murdered. It's a terrible thing to happen. But what disturbs me is that a white girl was murdered and she's suddenly on the minds of every American. But nobody mentions the countless minority girls who murdered, raped and molested everyday because they live in less than deserving areas.

It pisses me off. I don't mind the coverage....as long as they cover the recent two-year old latino boy who was starved to death in his family's basement equally.

And does anybody REALLY think that police would go through the same lengths to find the murderer of minority child? Nope. They'd look around a bit. They say it's just what happens. As if murder and rape is something naturally occuring with minorities.

They tracked the bastard all the way to friggin Thailand...

No way in hell they would put as much effort into finding the murderer of a black girl in the same circumstances.

Originally posted by Draco69
Am I the only one who remembers the hype of the murder all those years ago?

The girl was on every damn magazine in the country.

Meanwhile, at the same time, a black girl really was raped and murdered two blocks from her home. And it's a cold case as well....

You're absolutely right. I had this conversation with my aunt the other day.

Wow that guy is going to do well in prison, he'll be a little porcelain doll for someone!

Originally posted by Soleran
Wow that guy is going to do well in prison, he'll be a little porcelain doll for someone!

Nah. He'd be killed. Even prisoners have ethics. They have tendency to kill pedophiles or child murderers.

Originally posted by Draco69
Even prisoners have ethics.


Yeah I'm sure its a very chivalrous code to boot. Anyway this guy is going to have a good time, maybe he'll get lucky and just end up with a some pot dealer that got to much sentance for his crime. He might get it "easy" then.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yeah I'm sure its a very chivalrous code to boot.

More so. They're murderers, rapists, and thieves themselves. But even they have a code of morality.

Pedophiles and child murderers are commonly murdered in prison systems unless they have protection...even then they're killed.

Just like that pedophilic priest who was murdered only two days after he entered the prison...

Originally posted by Draco69
More so. They're murderers, rapists, and thieves themselves. But even they have a code of morality.

Pedophiles and child murderers are commonly murdered in prison systems unless they have protection...even then they're killed.

Just like that pedophilic priest who was murdered only two days after he entered the prison...
i donno its sort of hard for me to have sympathy for any of them...

Originally posted by Draco69
In other news, a seven-year old black girl was raped and murdered two blocks away from her home.

Now, live, we return to our 24/7 coverage of a seven-year old white girl who was murdered 12 years ago....

glad someone pointed that out. it was just more sensationalist garbage. im glad that this guy was caught, however am appauled by the relative lack of concern for any other murdered child. but this story will fade as quickly as it resurfaced since the apparent killer is white.

Never trust a man with a lazy eye

Originally posted by PVS
but this story will fade as quickly as it resurfaced since the apparent killer is white.

On the internet, I can never tell whether people are joking or just being shockingly stupid. Will you give me a hint?

Originally posted by Gregory
On the internet, I can never tell whether people are joking or just being shockingly stupid. Will you give me a hint?

wow, amazingly witty retort. you win the thread

Actually, I was being serious. Shockingly stupid it is, then.

Attached it a picture of Mitchell, the Elizabeth Smart kidnapper. You will notice that he is white. Is it your opinion that the Elizabeth Smart case quickly faded away because the perpetrator was white?

hmmm, yes i did say that the case would fade....wait....no i didnt.
but either way, i should have specified that the story would fade....oops...i did.

but you can keep calling me stupid, if you wish. whatever helps you win

Elizabeth Smart was still being interviewed on television six months after she was recovered. She was featured in People Magazine two years after. Our definitions of "quickly faded" must be drastically different.

Originally posted by Gregory
On the internet, I can never tell whether people are joking or just being shockingly stupid. Will you give me a hint?

Attention seeking or just plain Attention Whore. Either one works...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Attention seeking or just plain Attention Whore. Either one works...

yes, it must be WD. very professional btw

Originally posted by Gregory
Elizabeth Smart was still being interviewed on television six months after she was recovered. She was featured in People Magazine two years after. Our definitions of "quickly faded" must be drastically different.

one article in people magazine as opposed to the media fiasco which was plastered over every news outlet, taking priority over all world events? ok

I just dont understand how people can do these things. Its really sickening to even hear about this stuff everyday. I live in Texas and at least twice a day there is a child that has been kidnapped, murdered or molested.

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. I mentioned that people were still thinking about Smart two years after everything had been resolved--dispite your claim that the case had "quickly faded away"--and your reply is ...



I don't even know whether the "media fiasco" you're talking about is the one surrounding Smart or Ramsey. Please try to make more sense in the future.

Originally posted by Gregory
I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. I mentioned that people were still thinking about Smart two years after everything had been resolved--dispite your claim that the case had "quickly faded away"--and your reply is ...



Please try to make more sense in the future.

im talking about extensive and obsessive media coverage. maybe we just have a misunderstanding here, of which i hope is the case. if not you are being deliberate and/or just picking a fight. or maybe you were in a coma the months following ramsey's murder, in which case im happy for your recovery and will be sending a belated 'get well' fruit basket.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I shouldn't have said you were being stupid. But I honestly don't understand you. The Elizabeth Smart case was covered extensively until Mitchel was ruled unfit to stand trial. At that point, the media coverage trailed off, even though she wasn't forgotten (People, etc). Do you think that was a bad thing? If the media frenzy did trail off somewhat after she was recovered, do you really think it was because her abductor was white?

At first it was the typical "WHITE GIRL GOT KIDNAPPED!! F*CKING PANIC, Y'ALL!" The FBI, the CIA and even former President Clinton commented on it.

Than it turned out freaky with the whole religous, abduction crap...

But in the beginning it was nothing more than another kidnapping/missing girl. But since she was white and blond, of course we had to involve the entire country...

48 Hours Mystery Special Date: September 15th. That's not an official date but my personal guess, and a damn good one, if I might add.

Originally posted by Gregory
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I shouldn't have said you were being stupid. But I honestly don't understand you. The Elizabeth Smart case was covered extensively until Mitchel was ruled unfit to stand trial. At that point, the media coverage trailed off, even though she wasn't forgotten (People, etc). Do you think that was a bad thing? If the media frenzy did trail off somewhat after she was recovered, do you really think it was because her abductor was white?
first off, thank you for taking that back.

now:
there is a difference between keeping a topic in the spotlight, (or in the case of smart, returning it momentarily) and exploiting a single incident ad nauseum.

and i think the trail off of media coverage on smart at that point was due to the fact that there was nothing left to cover, or in the case of our media: exploit for sensationalism. of coarse the later recovery and readjusting of a victim of any kind makes a nice heart warming story as well as a cautious reminder, its an entirely different animal.

remember, we are talking about a media who publically tried and convicted bene's own parents and had the majority of america believing that they were murderers of the worst kind. the same media which plastered this girls face everywhere for what seemed like an eternity while at the same time countless other children met a similar fate with minimal coverage. once the parents were acquitted, there was no more hook, no more passion, and it became just another story about a child who was brutalised and murdered. important to you and i, but not in the face of the media. thus the story just vanished as we saw.

its all about sensationalism. there has to be a hook, and sad as i am to say it, the rape and murder of a child in and of itself is not enough to convince major media outlets to push the story to a fraction of the extent in which the bene story was pushed.

two elements convinced them to make this THE story of the year(how long was it going on for anyway? months to say the least), one being that the parents were suspects, and two being that this little girl was the epitome of the perfect white american child. sorry, but thats fact.

and to all of you who throw their hands up in disgust, rather than be outraged by someone who points it out, point your aggression toward the ones who feigned concern and sadness for this child by overpublicising the story, when in fact they are exploiting the hook for the sake of profit, while jeopardizing the lives of her family and putting them through unimaginable trauma...as if they didnt have enough already

And now they have a hook. Pretty little white girl murdered by a deranged man who druged her, raped her, intentionally or accidently killed her, and then fled to Bangkok. The sensational ending to a ten-year old case!

You said that story would fade because the killer was white. That's what I couldn't believe. Even if you think the news is the most racist institution in the world, do you really think they're just going to drop this thing because of the killer's skin color?


(I was about eleven when this happened, and managed to completely miss it the first time around. Can't say I'm sorry; the media seems to really have outdone itself in the sleaze department this time. If they do drop it quickly, I'll bet it's going to be because they don't want people to remember how they acted towards the parents, now that they've been definitively cleared)

Originally posted by Gregory
And now they have a hook. Pretty little white girl murdered by a deranged man who druged her, raped her, intentionally or accidently killed her, and then fled to Bangkok. The sensational ending to a ten-year old case!

no, its simple closure. as i said, this story will fade just as quickly as it reappeared. check next weeks paper. it wont be there. shit...check tomorrow's paper when its out.

Originally posted by Gregory
You said that story would fade because the killer was white. That's what I couldn't believe. Even if you think the news is the most racist institution in the world, do you really think they're just going to drop this thing because of the killer's skin color?

that was the only remaining hook. race. the only way the media could continue to exploit it. they play on our prejudice and profit. thats their business. they nearly had all of south central l.a. burn to the ground just to keep exploiting the hook.

and no, you didnt get the point about race. if the killer was anyone other than some white person or suited any other sensationalist trend, it would reemerge as THE STORY!!! *panic*

if it was anyone other than a white guy, it would play on prejudice. it would sell, they would profit. its simple really. we are talking about corporations with no concern for the public good who exploit fear for profit. its just a matter of connecting the dots.


Originally posted by Gregory
(I was about eleven when this happened, and managed to completely miss it the first time around. Can't say I'm sorry; the media seems to really have outdone itself in the sleaze department this time.)

you missed an ocean of oozing media slime, then. i envy you

Originally posted by PVS
glad someone pointed that out. it was just more sensationalist garbage. im glad that this guy was caught, however am appauled by the relative lack of concern for any other murdered child. but this story will fade as quickly as it resurfaced since the apparent killer is white.

PVS, I certainly understand the sentiment here. I was equally as frustrated by the ubiquitous Natalie Holloway story from last year, or should I say non-story. But I have to disagree about the degree or racial undertone you imply here. Part of the macabre interest in this story was the fact that the Benet girl was part of that whole dysfunctional 5 year old beauty pageant culture. On top of that, there was ample reason to suspect her obviously fu.ked up parents were complicit in the murder. It were these factors that primarily fueled the interest in the story, not the fact that she was some kind of "white medial darling." (That was the Natalie Holloway story.)

By the way, I know it wasn't you, PVS, but somebody earlier posted how pretty the Benet girl looked...Has anyone recently looked at her picture? She looks like a baby with caked on Barbie doll make-up. It's like something out of "Child's Play". Completely grotesque. Any parent that would scar their child like that should be reported to Child Protection immediately.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Part of the macabre interest in this story was the fact that the Benet girl was part of that whole dysfunctional 5 year old beauty pageant culture.

correct, that was a hook to exploit. a very relevant one which i overlooked, and the direct cause of immediate hatred of the girl's own parents. whats that word? 'prejudice'

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
On top of that, there was ample reason to suspect her obviously fu.ked up parents were complicit in the murder. It were these factors that primarily fueled the interest in the story, not the fact that she was some kind of "white medial darling." (That was the Natalie Holloway story.)

i disagree. the media doesnt settle for one hook if they dont have to. one hook only means one fish. take the rodney king fiasco for example. multiple hooks. white people outraged by the black "animals" tearing up l.a. while at the same time black americans outraged over the aquittal of those officers.

thats how good they are at what they do. they played the part of the k.k.k. and black panthers all on the same broadcast. then they would broadcast random interviews of idiotic knee-jerk reactionaries and people would be outraged by the exhibited outrage! first interview the dumb white racist who calls them "animals", then interview the crackhead who says that rodney king is a hero...etc. fear, anger, and prejudice build and next thing you know l.a. is burning. thats the power and skill they have to affect us. dont underestimate that.

with that said, the only possible hook remaining was race. (unless the guy turned out to be a priest or met the criteria of any other sensationalist story...if he was a catholic priest for example)

can you honestly say that this would fade just as quickly if this guy was black? arab? anything non-white? (assuming this story does fade out quickly which im sure it will). do you think that the media wouldnt hype up the potential goldmine of racism?

Originally posted by PVS
with that said, the only possible hook remaining was race. (unless the guy turned out to be a priest or met the criteria of any other sensationalist story...if he was a catholic priest for example)

can you honestly say that this would fade just as quickly if this guy was black? arab? anything non-white? (assuming this story does fade out quickly which im sure it will). do you think that the media wouldnt hype up the potential goldmine of racism?

I don't remember this story fading that quickly, but it has been 10 years...

In general, I agree with your media condemnation. Black victim stories are often downplayed or ignored to focus on high-profile white crimes. But, then again, black crime usually dosen't aspire to those extra levels of white, suburban psychological dysfunction. When's the last time you heard about a black couple enrolling their 5 year old in a beauty contest? That's usually the provenance of white, schizoid suburbia. The point is, I really do think the main "hook" in this case was the suspicion of the parents in the killing and the whole public fascination/identification with the fetishistic presentation of a pre-pubescent girl as a sex object.

Originally posted by Draco69
In other news, a seven-year old black girl was raped and murdered two blocks away from her home.


Was she pretty and did she half money?

Oh I forgot she\'s black. So I guess the answer to both is no.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
The point is, I really do think the main "hook" in this case was the suspicion of the parents in the killing and the whole public fascination/identification with the fetishistic presentation of a pre-pubescent girl as a sex object.

that was the main hook, i agree. however that is never permanent.
as was with the l.a. riots. the main hook was police brutality, and then later the media turned on the very people it claimed to be speaking out for. same topic: different exploitation. then it bacame about black lawlessness. why? because that was where the scent of money was eminating from once the verdict was given.

in other words, to just clarify: i wasnt calling out racism, i was calling out the exploitation of fear and prejudice, as well as the media's lack of will to push any story which doesnt bring these emotions about. since all fear and prejudice has been proven irrelevant to the story, it will fade away.

Originally posted by PVS
that was the main hook, i agree. however that is never permanent.
as was with the l.a. riots. the main hook was police brutality, and then later the media turned on the very people it claimed to be speaking out for. same topic: different exploitation. then it bacame about black lawlessness. why? because that was where the scent of money was eminating from once the verdict was given.

in other words, to just clarify: i wasnt calling out racism, i was calling out the exploitation of fear and prejudice, as well as the media's lack of will to push any story which doesnt bring these emotions about. since all fear and prejudice has been proven irrelevant to the story, it will fade away.

All right. I somewhat agree, but not entirely...

And since this thread is not promising to be anywhere near racially inflammatory enough, I've suddenly lost interest. *yawns*

Was she raped?

Or is that just tacked on regardless in these type of cases?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Was she raped?

Or is that just tacked on regardless in these type of cases?

both

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Was she raped?

Or is that just tacked on regardless in these type of cases?

Possibly. Doesn\'t really matter if she dead though.

Originally posted by ChancellorGohan
Was she pretty and did she half money?

Oh I forgot she\'s black. So I guess the answer to both is no.

Originally posted by ChancellorGohan
Possibly. Doesn\'t really matter if she dead though.

i think junior needs a time out

Originally posted by PVS
both

I didn't think she was actually raped, just sexually assaulted. Or assaulted in a way that might have been sexual.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I didn't think she was actually raped, just sexually assaulted. Or assaulted in a way that might have been sexual.

he said that he had sex with her. in the unlikely scenario where a 6 year old girl would consent, still the law views it as rape...so its rape

Originally posted by PVS
he said that he had sex with her. in the unlikely scenario where a 6 year old girl would consent, still the law views it as rape...so its rape

Oh, he confessed to that?

I'm going by the original case, mostly because I...couldn't be bothered to read the new stuff.

yes he did. check toward the end of the first posted article

I could do that...

Can't you just read it to me?

Is it illegal to have sex with six year olds?

Wait, before you answer...even if they're contestants in a beauty pageant, is it still illegal?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I could do that...

Can't you just read it to me?

*reads article again* ok, done.

wait...what was that supposed to accomplish

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Is it illegal to have sex with six year olds?

Wait, before you answer...even if they're contestants in a beauty pageant, is it still illegal?

Factual answer: yes.

Hidden agenda answer: I dont know! Is it?

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Is it illegal to have sex with six year olds?

Wait, before you answer...even if they're contestants in a beauty pageant, is it still illegal?

i dont want to ruin your plans for the weekend, so ill decline to answer.

Originally posted by PVS
i dont want to ruin your plans for the weekend, so ill decline to answer.

Damn! Better scratch that "Little Miss Crayola" Pageant off my social calendar!

oh boy, wait till the kneejerkers see this.

ZOMG CHILD RAPED YOU JOKE EVIL!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Damn! Better scratch that "Little Miss Crayola" Pageant off my social calendar!

Please do, more for me.

Originally posted by BackFire
Please do, more for me.

Want me to sign you up on the guest list, Backfire! I think they need another judge. I don't think they do background checks or anything.

Wait...why ZOMG?

Sounds right up my alley.

I haven't read through the whole thread of course, but didn't they mention that he could of falsely admitted to the crime because the crime he had committed there the punishments were quite severe?

please rephrase in proper english

i think i understand. and yes, most likely he murdered dozens of children and knew he was going to be caught, so turned himself in at the nearest embassy. most likely the case. i dont have to read into it much to be 99% certain of that.

I think what she was saying echo's what I heard:
He was caught for doing something worse in Thailand, and confessed with the hope of being extradited, and having a better chance of living then staying there.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
I think what she was saying echo's what I heard:
He was caught for doing something worse in Thailand, and confessed with the hope of being extradited, and having a better chance of living then staying there.

Yup, Thailand is country that doesn't f*ck around when it comes to the death penalty, ey. He was working as a teacher there, and I think it was only a matter of time before he fell back into his 'old habits'.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
I think what she was saying echo's what I heard:
He was caught for doing something worse in Thailand, and confessed with the hope of being extradited, and having a better chance of living then staying there.

That's the rumor I heard.

It's a shame he'll go to jail because he could make a great living as a lookalike for Lee Harvey Oswald.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/APTOPIX_THAILAND_JONBENET_RAMSEY.sff_BK105_20060817034727.jpg

he reminds me of 'hannibal'

He looks reminiscent of Ian Brady.

This case just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

well, if he didnt kill ramsey they should put him on the first boat to bangkok.

Who the hell is JonBenet Ramsey?

Originally posted by KidRock
Who the hell is JonBenet Ramsey?

Are you satirising?

Anyway - it would be good if he was guilty. Finally give some closure to the whole business. But then it is far from unheard of that people will commit to crimes they didn't commit for whatever reason. I can't help but wonder if that isn't the case here - after all, it seems he is obsessed with her, maybe he has convinced himself he was responsible.

Anyway - if it turns out it can't be him they can always send him back to face justice in the country he was court in.

He looks so feeble that I reckon any 6 year old could give him a kicking. Good luck to him in prison, he's gonna get all the sex he wants. Or doesn't want.

I don't know about you, but if a six year old girl was raped, you'd know about it-her injuries would be obvious. The autopsy could never determine whether JonBenet was raped. This man claims he had sex with her-bullshit. Even if it were digital rape, the signs of sexual assult would be unmissable.

I am glad the police finally have a suspect in custody after all these years, but I don't think we should assume too much.

This man was facing criminal charges in Bangkok, wasn't he? What sort of punishment would he have expected from his crimes over there? Enough to make him want to be extradited back to the United States, possibly?

His ex- wife has given him an alibi on the night he supposedly killed JonBenet. He also claims he 'picked her up from school'-it was Boxing Day-there was no school.

Something in his story just doesn't add up, however, we will have to wait to see what the DND evidence proves. If he is guilty, he'll be going away for a long time. If he is guilty, he'll face charges of making a false statement to police, and will likely to put away for a lengthy time, also.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
he reminds me of 'hannibal' Look at the guy behind him. He's afraid just to be touching him

"ah mi dios"

Originally posted by ~Da Rev~
Look at the guy behind him. He's afraid just to be touching him

"ah mi dios"

Yeah?

Looks to me like he's glad to be in the papers.

Originally posted by Nichole
I don't know about you, but if a six year old girl was raped, you'd know about it-her injuries would be obvious. The autopsy could never determine whether JonBenet was raped.


That's why before I had read the new story, I asked if she'd actually been raped, or if people were just adding that on, as people are wont to do in such cases.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's why before I had read the new story, I asked if she'd actually been raped, or if people were just adding that on, as people are wont to do in such cases.

I understand. Apparently, the autospy couldn't prove rape, even though their was semen in her underwear. If this guy did kill her, he probably jerked off into her panties. I doubt her raped her-it'd be obvious.

Well, if he killed her it's basically academic anyway. Other than for column inches, or the family's own concerns.

Originally posted by Nichole
I understand. Apparently, the autospy couldn't prove rape, even though their was semen in her underwear. If this guy did kill her, he probably jerked off into her panties. I doubt her raped her-it'd be obvious.

i heard on CNN that she had a fractured skull, is that true?

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
i heard on CNN that she had a fractured skull, is that true?

She is said to have had an eight inch crack in her skull, yes.

this guy is dumb. you don't say you accidentally kill someone with a 8 inch crack in their head

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
This just makes believe in that old saying:

"You can run...but you can't hide"

Glad they caught him.

I can't believe it. I thought they were never going to catch this guy. Ok, I'm sorry. I don't feel like reading the entire original post. Can someone sum up what happened? How'd they catch him? And he has confessed as well?

Originally posted by PVS
glad someone pointed that out. it was just more sensationalist garbage. im glad that this guy was caught, however am appauled by the relative lack of concern for any other murdered child. but this story will fade as quickly as it resurfaced since the apparent killer is white.

I don't think it's about race. I think the JonBanet Ramse case is such a big human interest story because of the bizarre circumstances surrounding the case, and I think it connected with lots of people in lots of different ways. First, the little girl actually looked older in some of her pictures. I think the way she looked puzzled people. Some of the pictures made her up to look 15 or 16 or so, and it was really just mind-boggling. Why and how they made her look like that is still beyond me. Also, everyone thought the parents did it, and were just going to get away with it because they were rich. Also the ambiguity of what had actually happened to her, namingly the semen in her underwear, but no bruising on her genitals, and the note for ransom, left everyone, including the police, baffled as to what really happened.

I'll agree that many stories go untold and unfairly untold, but I don't think this story gets more attention because the girl was whit. I think this story gets more attention because she was a beauty princess and all of the uncertainty of what had actually happened. This case reminds me of Columbine, though I know they are totally different. The reason for that is because the human behavior is so wierd. The Columbine kids behavior were as bizarre as the circumstances in this case. The two boys, seemingly randomly let people go, and cold-bloodedly shot others. They ordered guns on the internet and planned the assault for an entire year. One of the kids was only 5'8 and skinny, while the other was 6'3 about 220lbs, but the skinny kid was the charismatic leader. The bigger kid was actually a normal guy until he started hanging out with the other guy. The skinny kid in that case reminds me of how I'd see Tyler Derden. He was a big presence and could basically get anyone to do his bidding. Both of these cases are such big news because they baffle people, and people don't like to be baffled, and if they are baffled, they like the process of becoming unbaffled. Vague and bizarre behavior is an enigma which attracts the attention of people.

Originally posted by ChancellorGohan
Was she pretty and did she half money?

Oh I forgot she\'s black. So I guess the answer to both is no.

That seems a little racist man.......

Originally posted by superman41082
I don't think it's about race. I think the JonBanet Ramse case is such a big human interest story because of the bizarre circumstances surrounding the case, and I think it connected with lots of people in lots of different ways. First, the little girl actually looked older in some of her pictures. I think the way she looked puzzled people. Some of the pictures made her up to look 15 or 16 or so, and it was really just mind-boggling. Why and how they made her look like that is still beyond me. Also, everyone thought the parents did it, and were just going to get away with it because they were rich. Also the ambiguity of what had actually happened to her, namingly the semen in her underwear, but no bruising on her genitals, and the note for ransom, left everyone, including the police, baffled as to what really happened.

I'll agree that many stories go untold and unfairly untold, but I don't think this story gets more attention because the girl was whit. I think this story gets more attention because she was a beauty princess and all of the uncertainty of what had actually happened. This case reminds me of Columbine, though I know they are totally different. The reason for that is because the human behavior is so wierd. The Columbine kids behavior were as bizarre as the circumstances in this case. The two boys, seemingly randomly let people go, and cold-bloodedly shot others. They ordered guns on the internet and planned the assault for an entire year. One of the kids was only 5'8 and skinny, while the other was 6'3 about 220lbs, but the skinny kid was the charismatic leader. The bigger kid was actually a normal guy until he started hanging out with the other guy. The skinny kid in that case reminds me of how I'd see Tyler Derden. He was a big presence and could basically get anyone to do his bidding. Both of these cases are such big news because they baffle people, and people don't like to be baffled, and if they are baffled, they like the process of becoming unbaffled. Vague and bizarre behavior is an enigma which attracts the attention of people.

i was referring to the 'hook' of the story. since the "look at those psychotic parents dressing their daughter up like a prostitute...THEY KILLED HER" hook has been shot to pieces, what steam does the story have to drive it? racism would have been one such hook. that was my point. i made my statement too brief and compact...and so my bad

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
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No offense but really who gives a shit? There are more important things that our so-called national news centers should be covering. They are making a huge deal out of this breaking news. You'd have thought this guy murdered 100's of children by how much coverage this case is getting. Seriously, there are people still without homes in the South because of Hurricane Katrina and CNN is talking about a single little white girl who was murdered 8+ years ago. Don't take me for a cold hearted motherf-er. I can only imagine the frustration the people who truly loved her felt when she was killed but c'mon people. There are more prevelant issues facing our country.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Don't take me for a cold hearted motherf-er. I can only imagine the frustration the people who truly loved her felt when she was killed but c'mon people. There are more prevelant issues facing our country.

the irony is that most of the people who would label you as 'cold hearted' for saying that are the same ones who fell for the media frenzy and labeled her parents as rapists/killers of their own child.

Originally posted by PVS
the irony is that most of the people who would label you as 'cold hearted' for saying that are the same ones who fell for the media frenzy and labeled her parents as rapists/killers of their own child.

Yes. that's a possibilty. There are many people who weakly and willingly get swept up in the media frenzy and believe every little nugget of suspicion that the media offers as a fact. I don't know if that little girls parents killed her or this new suspect did. To be honest I don't really want to concern myself with that info. That's up to the authorities in Colorado, or wherever the f the shit hit the fan. In the meantime I got other things to deal with. Like the fact my coworker died yesterday...crazy. Where's his news coverage?

Well, they print stories that people want to read. Which says something in itself.

Originally posted by PVS
the irony is that most of the people who would label you as 'cold hearted' for saying that are the same ones who fell for the media frenzy and labeled her parents as rapists/killers of their own child.

This guy, Karr, is a freak. But it now appears doubtful that he's the culprit.

It's still possible that the parents are the killers, or covering for the family member that did it. Something about the Ramseys just doesn't pass the smell test...

Here's my conspiracy theory...

The father was molesting her. The mother found out and killed her daughter out of frustrated jealousy/rage/denial.

I could be wrong. It's just a guess. But I would still be concentrating on the parents in the investigation.

Well, as I said pages back- there was no evidence of rape, so to say she was raped simply because the suspect confessed to doing so is slightly odd.

And what kind of parents stonewall the police in the investigation of their child's murder? Answer: parents trying to cover something up...

maybe someone raped her after they killed her shrug

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
maybe someone raped her after they killed her shrug

After the coroner's report?

This guy didn't do it, there were things wrong with what he said, like saying he strangled her, and drugged her, yet there were no signs of either, he just wants the attention

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
This guy didn't do it, there were things wrong with what he said, like saying he strangled her, and drugged her, yet there were no signs of either, he just wants the attention

yes, thats what people do for attention. seek imprissonment/death penalty. congratulations, oh bright graduate of the 'bush school of logic'.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius

It's still possible that the parents are the killers, or covering for the family member that did it. Something about the Ramseys just doesn't pass the smell test...

does that mean we get to hate the parents again? thank god

Originally posted by PVS
yes, thats what people do for attention. seek imprissonment/death penalty. congratulations, oh bright graduate of the 'bush school of logic'.


Umm yes, they do, like the guy that Shot John Lennon, admitted that he did it for attention, and ironically, I would bet Bush is smarter than you

Originally posted by PVS
does that mean we get to hate the parents again? thank god

Gee, I hope so, PVS....That Karr guy had me worried for a day or two...Now, that it's almost certain he's a poser, I can put the Ramseys back in my "Look, Ma, I Got Away With It Hall of Fame".

Previous Year Inductees:

1. O.J.
2. Gary Condit

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
This guy didn't do it, there were things wrong with what he said, like saying he strangled her, and drugged her, yet there were no signs of either, he just wants the attention

He wanted to be brought back to the US where he could escape a potential death sentence in Bangkok, you mean...

Originally posted by PVS
yes, thats what people do for attention. seek imprissonment/death penalty. congratulations, oh bright graduate of the 'bush school of logic'.

Well, yes. Sometimes. For example, Laverne Pavlinac voluntarilly confessed to murdeering a man. She was convicted, sent to jail, and then released because the serial killer Keith Jesperson confessed to having killed the person Pavlinac was supposed to have murdered. People are weird.

They got DNA evidence from the Ramsey killer, though, so it seems like this should be pretty cut and dry; either it will match, or it won't.

do any of you think its possible that karr isn't really the killer, but a crazy guy who wants eveyone to think that he is?

Bangok.

Hehehe..

Does anyone besides me thinks that that Karr guy looks like the T1000 from the "Terminator 2" movie?

I am from Colorado so I have had to hear a lot about this (and Columbine). I agree with the people who have said that the media has blown the case out of proportion. However if the authorities really have found her killer then I am glad. He deserves to rot.

~ Kryzula

OJ simpson did it.

Originally posted by KidRock
OJ simpson did it.

hysterical

Originally posted by Kryzula
I am from Colorado so I have had to hear a lot about this (and Columbine). I agree with the people who have said that the media has blown the case out of proportion. However if the authorities really have found her killer then I am glad. He deserves to rot.

~ Kryzula Uvgh, it IS blown out of proportion, they rarely ever go back to cold cases like these in the media unless its involving something truely horrific, like a quadruple homicide. But with this, they only care cause the little girl was forced into fame and participated in beauty pagents. Seriously anyone who dresses they 6 year old up like a popstar make up included, and puts their child into that kind of environment deserves to rot as well. I think they should've arrested the parents for child abuse. unfortuantly, child beauty pagents are legal, and participates are BEGGING people to molest their children, its no suprise to me that shes dead.

As for Karr, well id like to see a little more proof.

Originally posted by Ronny
I think they should've arrested the parents for child abuse. unfortuantly, child beauty pagents are legal, and participates are BEGGING people to molest their children, its no suprise to me that shes dead.



Some questionable claims there.

You know, I couldn't quite care less bout this case anymore. When they announced that they found the 'killer' I went, Oh really !!!! but then my interest quickly faded.

There are more important stuff to be concerned with. But then again, what concerns one person does not mean that everyone expresses the same feelings.
So to me, stalking some storms/ volcanoes, shaking my head at the failure that was the Katrina response, the conflict in the with Isreal( even that is boring me now), the incredible hike in food prices here in trinidad etc, TAKE presidence in my view.

just saw this on drudgereport...no surprise really

link to article:
DNA of Ramsey Murder Suspect Fails to Match


actually sort of sad, because that means the real killer is still out there

No, not hugely surprising. I mean, his confession contained blatently fale statements (drugging her and whatnot), his ex said he was in a different state at the time...

Man, what a nutcase.

Exactly what I expected. This guy is an idiot, to confess to a crime he knew he didn't do. The media has villified him-even if he deserves it-by digging into his past, having his former schoolmates come foward and state how weird they thought he was. What will happen now? This nutcase will never live a normal life again, even though he doesn't deserve to.

Shouldn't the media have wondered whether he was actually guilty or not, instead of jumping off the deep end and digging up his past?

Well, hes not being charged so it doesnt matter.

The American public just wants raw meat, and the media knows exactly how to hand it to them.

I don't think the media was being unreasonable. They mentioned (some sources anyway) the inconsistancies in his confession, and the fact that his ex said he had an alliby.

The media absolutely should not have thought about "whether he was guilty or not." The media should have provided the relevant facts to the public, in an unbiased manner, and let the DA/jury do the "deciding whether he's guilty or not" thing.

As far as Karr living a normal life, I assume he's still going to be charged with something. Isn't making false statements to the police illegal?

I'm not blaming the media at all...the media are corporations, America is fairly capitalistic, and they're just doing business.

Guess his little plan to save his skin didn't work...

Who would have guessed he didn't do it? After his confession (I'm looking at you, 'pvs', if that is your real name, Bart Simpson)?

Oh, it was me wasn't it.

I think the whole situation is hysterical. More than anything, I'm glad he didn't do it...so the media can drop it, be embarrased, move on and I don't have to hear about DNA samples in a six year old girls panties anymore.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think the whole situation is hysterical.

I actually think it's quite sad and pathetic.

Whether you are disgusted that this story recieved more press than the murder of a black child or anyone else does not matter. Whether you are sick of the media coverage does not matter. No matter how you feel about the current fiasco, it doesn't matter.

What everyone seems to lose focus of is that a six year old little girl, who hurt no one and was shown off like a show dog, was brutally assaulted and murdered. The last seconds of her life were horrific and violent. The person who did it is still at large and, most likely, will never be found. That's what matters, and it's a pretty sad thing.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I actually think it's quite sad and pathetic.

Whether you are disgusted that this story recieved more press than the murder of a black child or anyone else does not matter. Whether you are sick of the media coverage does not matter. No matter how you feel about the current fiasco, it doesn't matter.

What everyone seems to lose focus of is that a six year old little girl, who hurt no one and was shown off like a show dog, was brutally assaulted and murdered. The last seconds of her life were horrific and violent. The person who did it is still at large and, most likely, will never be found. That's what matters, and it's a pretty sad thing.

I think you know that I'm not talking about the little girl. I'm talking about the media storm that raged around this guy for almost two weeks, all along people in his family were saying that the guy didn't do it because he was with them at the time. On top of the fact that it took them almost two weeks to get the guy back to Boulder and THEN decided to take a DNA sample and compare the two. But they didn't, they let this story get blown out of proportion when they could have taken a sample of the DNA before they brought him back to America, thus avoiding the charges he was facing in Thailand. On top of that, I've heard the media talk about this murdered childs panties for the last two weeks. And it is unfortunate that the little girl was murdered. The long story short is that there's more important shit going on in this world than a ten year old murder case, that's only getting coverage because it was a little girl. And I think it's hysterical that everyone in this country got whipped up into a frenzy over this nut case, when all you had to do was listen to the facts vs. watching clips of this guy sitting on a plane or clips of the little girl dancing on stage like a trained monkey. People saw this creepy guy with his pants up to his neck and said "He looks creepy, he had to have done it!" Sure, he is creepy, but he's dillusional creepy.

exactly. weird, man.

Ok, he didn't do it. Now we're back at step 1.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think you know that I'm not talking about the little girl. I'm talking about the media storm that raged around this guy for almost two weeks, all along people in his family were saying that the guy didn't do it because he was with them at the time. On top of the fact that it took them almost two weeks to get the guy back to Boulder and THEN decided to take a DNA sample and compare the two. But they didn't, they let this story get blown out of proportion when they could have taken a sample of the DNA before they brought him back to America, thus avoiding the charges he was facing in Thailand.

Agreed, the cops ****ed up. Again.