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I say he is, but a guy I'm arguing with says he's not, and says the Silver Surfer is stronger than Thanos.

Well, ya!!
He has destroyed ss everytime they met, cept when they didn't have powers, and when they got seperated.

He says the only reason Thanos beats the Surfer is because Thanos is more skilled, but he's weaker.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He says the only reason Thanos beats the Surfer is because Thanos is more skilled, but he's weaker. Thanos has beaten surfer to death.

Theres no thinking in this one.
Hes beaten surfer and other people at the same time.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He says the only reason Thanos beats the Surfer is because Thanos is more skilled, but he's weaker. how? they are about the same age.

Originally posted by King KAM
how? they are about the same age.
How could you possibly know that?

Originally posted by Accel
How could you possibly know that? Because so is KAM.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because so is KAM. exactly

Being the same age doesn't mean have the same level of skill. SS is more powerful, but Thanos is a better strategist, so he wins on brains.

Originally posted by Omega-level
Being the same age doesn't mean have the same level of skill. SS is more powerful, but Thanos is a better strategist, so he wins on brains. care to try and back up that statment?

No you are wrong!

Originally posted by Broly92
No you are wrong! Who?

Originally posted by Omega-level
Being the same age doesn't mean have the same level of skill. SS is more powerful, but Thanos is a better strategist, so he wins on brains. sadly no, thanos has never prepped Silver Surfer, he just beats him down with pure force.

Originally posted by Omega-level
Being the same age doesn't mean have the same level of skill. SS is more powerful, but Thanos is a better strategist, so he wins on brains.

Generally true. On paper, Surfer has more diverse power and can use it in many ways, like creating life and healing. Thanos generally sums up cosmic energy for destructive purposes only. And they can both amplify their strength to the same level, I would say. However, Thanos is very tech savvy, is a master strategist and schemer. He knows how to outhink Surfer, often by taking advantage of his morality issues. You might look at the first time they met, leading up the IG saga. Thanos was warned by Death to beware the Surfer, so played a game to distract him and send him down blind trails, while he did his quest for the infinity gems. He didn't destroy him outright, maybe because he knows he couldn't.

Originally posted by roughrider
Generally true. On paper, Surfer has more diverse power and can use it in many ways, like creating life and healing. Thanos generally sums up cosmic energy for destructive purposes only. And they can both amplify their strength to the same level, I would say. However, Thanos is very tech savvy, is a master strategist and schemer. He knows how to outhink Surfer, often by taking advantage of his morality issues. You might look at the first time they met, leading up the IG saga. Thanos was warned by Death to beware the Surfer, so played a game to distract him and send him down blind trails, while he did his quest for the infinity gems. He didn't destroy him outright, maybe because he knows he couldn't. in their other fight i saw thanos just chokes surfer out, with all brute force, no tactics.

And look at the odin fight, surfer is out from one shot. Thanos, on the other hand never goes out.

Originally posted by bigbran
Who?
Not you bigbran! Omega-level and roughrider

Originally posted by King KAM
in their other fight i saw thanos just chokes surfer out, with all brute force, no tactics.

And look at the odin fight, surfer is out from one shot. Thanos, on the other hand never goes out. Is everyone forgetting when he gave surfer his vicious beating?

And..

Toast!

Or.

^^^^thats the ass kicking i was referring to thanks bran!

I don't want to say there is PIS in the scenes where Thanos whups Surfer, but Norrid has mixed it up physically with Champion and gotten more shots in than that. And he knocked Champ out too. Thanos had to duck and cover a lot against Champion.

Originally posted by roughrider
I don't want to say there is PIS in the scenes where Thanos whups Surfer, but Norrid has mixed it up physically with Champion and gotten more shots in than that. And he knocked Champ out too. Thanos had to duck and cover a lot against Champion. champion who was using the power gem, and thanos before he was used to his new power.

I will just say - is Thanos above herald level?
Perhaps. Still debatable.

Can he defeat any of the heralds of Galactus, past and present?
Yes, he can.

Originally posted by roughrider
I will just say - is Thanos above herald level?
Perhaps. Still debatable.

Can he defeat any of the heralds of Galactus, past and present?
Yes, he can. Ok....

Originally posted by roughrider
I will just say - is Thanos above herald level?
Perhaps. Still debatable.

Can he defeat any of the heralds of Galactus, past and present?
Yes, he can.

So Thanos is not above herald level but can beat anybody who is on that level?

Originally posted by Creshosk
So Thanos is not above herald level but can beat anybody who is on that level? You didn't understand that one either?

Originally posted by bigbran
You didn't understand that one either? If it makes sense, I can understand it. If something has a glaring confliction like that, it needs an explination.

I say no. Actually, I say hell no!

With prep, yes, without, no.

He can't fly at all much less ftl. His reflexes aren't lightspeed, his blast power isn't that great (Sure, he knocked off Galactus' hat, but Strange antually k.o'd ol' G-lactius.

His TP is high, but not higher than some even like Strange

All he has that puts him anywhere near Herald is he's got cosmic durability and unlimited stamina.

Yes, he is. Hell yes!

Originally posted by long pig
I say no. Actually, I say hell no!

With prep, yes, without, no.

He can't fly at all much less ftl. His reflexes aren't lightspeed, his blast power isn't that great (Sure, he knocked off Galactus' hat, but Strange antually k.o'd ol' G-lactius.

His TP is high, but not higher than some even like Strange

All he has that puts him anywhere near Herald is he's got cosmic durability and unlimited stamina. Correction, he knocked G, halfway across a planet.
His duribilty is one of the best. He's stronger than hulk.
He has beat the hell out of surfer without prep.
He has been trapped in a black hole and survived.
Koed warlock with one punch, killed captian mar-vell with one blast.
And was a equal with odin, until he pulled out gungir.
Surfer was Koed by one hit by odin.
And all your logic goes out the window, when you look compare what the biggest plot devices did to Galactus, to what thanos did to him.
And Galactus was weak when he fought strange.

He has also...

Destroyed quaser's constructs when as you seen above, a ton of earth characters couldn't do it.
Hell, I can name feats all day, and all you can say is he isn't a herald level.
And down goes his sheild.

Originally posted by roughrider
Generally true. On paper, Surfer has more diverse power and can use it in many ways, like creating life and healing. Thanos generally sums up cosmic energy for destructive purposes only. And they can both amplify their strength to the same level, I would say. However, Thanos is very tech savvy, is a master strategist and schemer. He knows how to outhink Surfer, often by taking advantage of his morality issues. You might look at the first time they met, leading up the IG saga. Thanos was warned by Death to beware the Surfer, so played a game to distract him and send him down blind trails, while he did his quest for the infinity gems. He didn't destroy him outright, maybe because he knows he couldn't.

More diverse, not really. Thanos has healed and created life too. Thanos has used his power in diverse ways too. Just not that often as surfer. Like when he turned super skrull to stone. He is way smarter than surfer. Thanos is sky father level(before the new powerup). He went toe to toe with not just any sky father but arguably THE most powerfull sky father. Meaning a sky father lower than odin might have got his ass whooped by thanos. Now Thanos is said to be even stronger. Who knows how high up the food chain he is now...

Thanos has beaten Silver Surfer, Terrax and Fallen One in combat (not all at once, of course), what better indication he is more powerful than herald level than that?

Im sure someone will bring a good indication for it.

Or so he/she thinks.

Well everyone knows about the Odin fight, but 'other heralders' such as Drax and Surfer were 1-hit KO'd in the same panels by Odin, whilst Thanos carried on fighting him.

Also 6 heralders such as Jack of hearts,Surfer, Beta Ray bill, Gladiator etc alone weren't able to do jack to Tyrant, whilst Thanos was able to stand his own and even inflict damage to him, which is pretty impressive.
I would defo put him above Herald, also take into consideration that since those fights, hes been upgraded, so yeah I say he's above IMO.

Skyfather....debateable.

he's no skyfather. seriously he only survived cus his curse by death without it he'd be KTFO. and he didn't do anything to even phase Odin at all. i'd say he's top tier herald level.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously he only survived cus his curse by death
Is that a fact?

Originally posted by Wally West
Is that a fact?

Yes.

Care to back up this "fact" with a scan or quote proving it?

Considering how easily he trumps SS arguably the most powerful herald, yes

you know, there IS a level between skyfather and herald. this is normally occupied by thanos and strange.

Originally posted by manorastroman
you know, there IS a level between skyfather and herald. this is normally occupied by thanos and strange.

Thanos almost stalemated the most powerfull skyfather. This was before his new upgrade. Any skyfather below Odin in power would have gone down to thanos.
Now with his new upgrade, I dont think its fair to say he is below skyfather. If anything he is a slight notch above them

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thanos almost stalemated the most powerfull skyfather. This was before his new upgrade. Any skyfather below Odin in power would have gone down to thanos.
Now with his new upgrade, I dont think its fair to say he is below skyfather. If anything he is a slight notch above them

Agreed .... Zeus has yet to prove he can put down Thor, and Thanos has always put the Smackdown on thor, without his belt.

Originally posted by roughrider
I don't want to say there is PIS in the scenes where Thanos whups Surfer, but Norrid has mixed it up physically with Champion and gotten more shots in than that. And he knocked Champ out too. Thanos had to duck and cover a lot against Champion.

buddy thanos beat the champ with the power gem
wat more proff do u need

Originally posted by roughrider
I will just say - is Thanos above herald level?
Perhaps. Still debatable.

Can he defeat any of the heralds of Galactus, past and present?
Yes, he can.

is this above herald level
this is tyrant after he beat down brb gladiator silversurfer morg terrax and one other at the same time

Thanos is right below bone claw Wolverine. This makes Thanos a mid level celestial.

overpowering some lil weights

Originally posted by thanospimphand
overpowering some lil weights
Hulk and Thing had the flu that day.

Originally posted by thanospimphand
overpowering some lil weights


I Agree that Thanos is on Skyfather level, but i can think of various > Skyfather characters who could do that to Hulk and Thing. I mean compared to a Skyfather level being Thing is Realtively weak.

Originally posted by thanospimphand
buddy thanos beat the champ with the power gem
wat more proff do u need
Not really, he just tricked him into destroying his own planet, leaving him helpless in the void of space.

thanos didn't stalemate odin, he just refused to die. odin was never in danger.

when odin gets serious, the multiverse quakes. (seriously).

zeus and odin have always been considered equals.

Originally posted by manorastroman
thanos didn't stalemate odin, he just refused to die. odin was never in danger.

when odin gets serious, the multiverse quakes. (seriously).

zeus and odin have always been considered equals.
Originally posted by Inhuman
More diverse, not really. Thanos has healed and created life too. Thanos has used his power in diverse ways too. Just not that often as surfer. Like when he turned super skrull to stone. He is way smarter than surfer. Thanos is sky father level(before the new powerup). He went toe to toe with not just any sky father but arguably THE most powerfull sky father. Meaning a sky father lower than odin might have got his ass whooped by thanos. Now Thanos is said to be even stronger. Who knows how high up the food chain he is now...

yep, that's what inhuman said all right.

Originally posted by manorastroman
yep, that's what inhuman said all right. Yes and Odin is the highest skyfather, and they were actually fighting equaly, until odin pulled out gungir.
And thanos is stronger now.

why would you think odin was the highest skyfather? it's not like him and zeus ever fought. and i seem to recall a certain skyfather named walker taking it to thanos, until thanos cooked up a plot.

what most recent upgrade?

and are you delusional? they weren't fighting on equal terms. thanos did NOTHING to odin. i mean, NOTHING.

Originally posted by manorastroman
why would you think odin was the highest skyfather? it's not like him and zeus ever fought. and i seem to recall a certain skyfather named walker taking it to thanos, until thanos cooked up a plot.

what most recent upgrade?

and are you delusional? they weren't fighting on equal terms. thanos did NOTHING to odin. i mean, NOTHING. Walker? The death god?

And It's been said numerous times that odin is the highest skyfather.

I said equal before gungir, neither did nothing to each other.
The only thing odin did before he pulled out Gungir, was backhand Thanos, and the rest went a little something like this...
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So no, if you say Thanos did nothing to Odin, then I can say, the only thing Odin did was backhand him, the rest of his attacks failed, as did Thanos's. But after Odin pulled out gungir, that's when Odin gained the upper hand.

yes, that walker.

and you need to read up on odin man. i was serious when i said that the multiverse quaks when odin gets serious.

Originally posted by manorastroman
yes, that walker.

and you need to read up on odin man. i was serious when i said that the multiverse quaks when odin gets serious. I know what walker it is, the one that was backed by like every soul in the universe, or something like that. And fought Genis and Thanos.

I know what Odin can do, and I'm argueing that no one had the upper hand before Gungir. Is it that bad, to put Thanos on Skyfather, when he fought the most powerful skyfather, back in the day, and now he is upgraded.
And no offense, but how can a skyfather shake the multiverse?

yeah. the walker who was a skyfather and chumped them.

i'm arguing that odin wasn't outputting even 10% of his power. skyfathers are underrated on this forum.

I bet if thanos would have pulled out a weapon like odin pulled out gungir, people would have said that thanos cheated
Like when Thanos got tierd of fighting warrior madness thor with the power gem he pulled out that gun that froze him.
Bottom line is that Thanos when toe to toe with Odin. It took a weapon to shift the battle one way. Now that Thanos is stronger, it could be said that Thanos is above skyfather. Because he would beat any sky father below Odin , which is all of them. And he might beat Odin as it stands now with his upgrade. It has yet to be seen how much more powerfull thanos is.

what upgrade?

Originally posted by manorastroman
what upgrade? The death one, the hotu one. All the times before we seen him, he supposedly upgraded himself.
And he's supposed to be more powerful in annihilation.

Thanos vs Captain Mar-Vel/Iron man/Drax/Moondragon, he didn't have much trouble here.

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Odin vs Thanos, the full story...

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Sure Thanos didn't do anything to Odin but he held up against Odin very well when SS got punked in one hit, and Odin sure as hell looked to be giving more than 10%.

So...Thanos > Herald level, HELL YEAH!

IMO Thanos is high herald level to low skyfather level character.

Originally posted by manorastroman
why would you think odin was the highest skyfather? it's not like him and zeus ever fought. and i seem to recall a certain skyfather named walker taking it to thanos, until thanos cooked up a plot.

what most recent upgrade?

and are you delusional? they weren't fighting on equal terms. thanos did NOTHING to odin. i mean, NOTHING.

I actaully have to agree with you on this one. I haven't seen much that would lead me to believe that Odin is really taht much stronger than other SkyFathers.

Also, it does seem to me that Thanos would have died if he were nor "Cursed"

just my opinion i guess.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I Agree that Thanos is on Skyfather level, but i can think of various > Skyfather characters who could do that to Hulk and Thing. I mean compared to a Skyfather level being Thing is Realtively weak.

No really ya dont say

I'd love to know where this myth comes from that Thanos only survived his fight with Odin because he was cursed, I really would

Surfer beating Thanos, thats not even a possibility. Next someone will say the dazzler could beat Galactus.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I actaully have to agree with you on this one. I haven't seen much that would lead me to believe that Odin is really taht much stronger than other SkyFathers.

Also, it does seem to me that Thanos would have died if he were nor "Cursed"

just my opinion i guess. Where does it lead you to believe he would have died?
He never got destroyed, he never got KOed, the only thing that happened is his armour got destroyed!
So I guess if your armour get smashed a little, that means your going to die.

Originally posted by jnt29904
Surfer beating Thanos, thats not even a possibility. Next someone will say the dazzler could beat Galactus.

Well there was this one time...

Originally posted by long pig
His TP is high, but not higher than some even like Strange

That is debatable. Both their highest feat revolve around beating moondragon. While Strange uses the EOA along with the prescence of the gem with moondragon being contested, Thanos ****ed heather up good clearly with it without the use of any equipment boosting his TP.

Originally posted by jnt29904
Surfer beating Thanos, thats not even a possibility. Next someone will say the dazzler could beat Galactus.

It happened, but it was on the astral plane where they have equal might. Surfer hesitated to finally do him in considering that's what Thanos wants too, so he got the smackdown when he looked the other way. Other than that, Surfer hasn't put up much of a fight mano y mano on his own on any other occassions.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
It happened, but it was on the astral plane where they have equal might. Surfer hesitated to finally do him in considering that's what Thanos wants too, so he got the smackdown when he looked the other way. Other than that, Surfer hasn't put up much of a fight mano y mano on his own on any other occassions.

Shows Thanos is above SS. No powers SS wins on that fight then when they fought w/ powers SS loses all the time mean Thanos possess power above SS.. No questions..

I like the surfer alot and he is very powerful, but hes not even in the same league and Thanos. Very few are.

The guy I'm arguing with says that Surfer is stronger because he's been in black holes without getting hurt but Thanos went in one and was hurt by it.

He's ignoring the fact that Surfer was prepared while Thanos wasn't.

i always thought that thanos was like the dividing line between a herald level being and a skyfather.

as in he is neither, but the other's are defined by his power.

like above equals skyfather, and below is herald.

power wise, i think thanos still trumps the heralds on the norm. so i would call him THE top tier herald, as in if he was a herald level being he is THE most powerful herald level being.

when you throw in his amazing intellectual abilities, near invulnerability, and his constant desire for more power, you get more than a herald, but not necessarily a skyfather...

not because i don't think he could acheive skyfather status (maybe by like attaining/taking over like his own realm or something and ruling it, which is unlikely because he is more inclined to kill them all), but thanos just isn't there yet. he is more of a roam the universe and turn it upside down kinda character anyway.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The guy I'm arguing with says that Surfer is stronger because he's been in black holes without getting hurt but Thanos went in one and was hurt by it.

He's ignoring the fact that Surfer was prepared while Thanos wasn't. Hes also ignoring the fact, that Thanos got trapped in it, and he is not a superlight speed character.
It's duribilty for him, he was trapped in it, he survived.
A way better feat than flying through one.

Originally posted by manorastroman
what upgrade?

when death granted him immortality he was given a new body far more powerful then his old one, and also this body was new and didn't contain any tech