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You might be an American if you know terrorism and and U.S. security is a tie ball game.

is that like a 'you might be a redneck if...' joke?

yea, it's like it, but I made that joke up and it obviously sounded like not much effort was put into it, hu? since that was your response, lol..

ah it's ok. I'm horrible at jokes. Just as horrible as this ridiculous war and U.S. security is.

Considering there hasn't been any successful attacks on US soil since 9/11, I'd say the US Security is a step ahead. But that is taking into consideration that terrorist attacks have been attempted, which I do not know with 100% accuracy.

Well, I think you might want to realize that most people don't have any issue with the current administrations handling of the war in Iraq and US domestic security. Many people listen to sound bites and likely think Bush had something to do with JonBenet's killer being found, just because some homeland security guy in a 'what happens in vegas stays in vegas' tee shirt is escorting him home.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering there hasn't been any successful attacks on US soil since 9/11, I'd say the US Security is a step ahead. But that is taking into consideration that terrorist attacks have been attempted, which I do not know with 100% accuracy.

The common misconception about terrorist threats to the US is that they only started in 2001. These people have been trying for years. The first world trade center attacks, 9/11. They get through, but most have been thwarted, both pre and post 9/11...so Bush's prevention record is about on par with Clintons.

Not in my state... The majority here have issues across the board with this Administration.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not in my state... The majority here have issues across the board with this Administration.

I wasn't talking to you.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I wasn't talking to you.

I know, was just sparking up further conversation.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The common misconception about terrorist threats to the US is that they only started in 2001. These people have been trying for years. The first world trade center attacks, 9/11. They get through, but most have been thwarted, both pre and post 9/11...so Bush's prevention record is about on par with Clintons.

Agreed, I'm not one to label G.W. Bush as the sole savior of America. You'd be surprised though (or maybe not), I debate with many far right-wingers on another board and the general conception is that Clinton caused 9/11 through his action/inactions.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering there hasn't been any successful attacks on US soil since 9/11, I'd say the US Security is a step ahead. But that is taking into consideration that terrorist attacks have been attempted, which I do not know with 100% accuracy. Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well, I think you might want to realize that most people don't have any issue with the current administrations handling of the war in Iraq and US domestic security. Many people listen to sound bites and likely think Bush had something to do with JonBenet's killer being found, just because some homeland security guy in a 'what happens in vegas stays in vegas' tee shirt is escorting him home. Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The common misconception about terrorist threats to the US is that they only started in 2001. These people have been trying for years. The first world trade center attacks, 9/11. They get through, but most have been thwarted, both pre and post 9/11...so Bush's prevention record is about on par with Clintons.
I will co-sign these opinions. Very good points indeed.

no one is winning in the "War on Terrorism"...

besides Oil companies, Haliburton, and the terrorists.

Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed, I'm not one to label G.W. Bush as the sole savior of America. You'd be surprised though (or maybe not), I debate with many far right-wingers on another board and the general conception is that Clinton caused 9/11 through his action/inactions.

I'm not one to label him as a savior at all....he and his policies have caused a serious destablization in the middle east and made things worse. Not that I expect some people here to agree with that.

And Clinton certainly didn't cause 9/11. But that concensus comes from the current point-the-finger-at-the-other-party for every fu*k up propoganda machine.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
thumbdown yucky

osama < this guy is a real terrorist, and really wants to kill us

Its not that simple. Dont play the fool.

Originally posted by Deano
Terror is an illusion

''Terrorism does not exist. It is a phenomenon created by the government in order to facilitate their goal of a global fascist state with the power in the hands of an elite minority, in full control of a subservient population.

You're too off the other way. Terrorism exist and has always existed. Its a legitimate tool of war. Government might be co-opting it.

The 1984 generation is over. Thats not going to happen. And a little facism would do some people good. The general populous needs to learn a bit about service.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
thumbdown yucky

osama < this guy is a real terrorist, and really wants to kill us

why because the media says so?

Originally posted by Deano
why because the media says so?


No because they kill people

Originally posted by Deano
why because the media says so?

nope...it was icke who told us you're a terrorist...or was it a terrapin...

either way...they're both doing a "pinky and the brain brain brain brain"

so does george bush when he invades countrys and kills innocent people. whats your point

Originally posted by Deano
so does george bush when he invades countrys and kills innocent people. whats your point

Intent

Originally posted by Deano
so does george bush when he invades countrys and kills innocent people. whats your point

george bush?...on his own?...like, doing a rambo?...that'd be ace...dont tell me you wouldn't pay to see that

Originally posted by Soleran
Intent

yeh but no proof exists that bin laden was responsible for 9/11...im sure he was glad it happened but theres no proof he did it. theres loads of evidence to suggest the government did it. can people face the fact that governments are capables of orchestrating the events of 9/11 and blaming someone else? how many people can wake upto this? in the year 2000 the project for new american century document said something along the lines of ''we need a pearl harbour like event to get us into iraq'' and what happened a year later...BINGO.

''Creating wars is a wonderful way to make vast fortunes, and destroy the status quo. You lend money to both sides to fund the war and then you lend them even more money to rebuild their devestated countrys. They get into debt(CONTROL) to you and you increase your wealth (POWER). Such Control and power allows you to build a new society in the image of your agenda when the war you have created and funded has destroyed the old structure.''

if you control both sides, aka the taliban and us government, then you can pit them agaisnt each other. the propaganda is very simplistic:

in one corner in the blue side..al ciaida i mean al quaida(which doesnt really exist on the level we think but they will convince everyone it does) and in the red corner...hey its us the good guys.

thats what they have brought it down to.


the elite needed 9/11 to further the agenda. and more atrocitys will continue to happen if the human race continue to become lazy and accept whateva the government tells them.

Originally posted by Deano
why because the media says so?

No, because of the simple fact that all Muslims aren't terrorists yet every terrorist so far, has been a Muslim.

Well mostly, at least.

Deano I'm still waiting to hear your groups agenda. Because if we are all cynical then your group is the most diabolical of all.

Originally posted by Robtard
I debate with many far right-wingers on another board and the general conception is that Clinton caused 9/11 through his action/inactions.

Well, he did have a chance to get Bin Laden.

Originally posted by Alliance
no one is winning in the "War on Terrorism"...

besides Oil companies, Haliburton, and the terrorists.

Don't forget weapons manufacturers, the third of the biggest grossing industries after oil and something else that escapes me at the moment.



Well, the terrorists you are fighting, not every terrorist.. Lets not forget all the other terrorists that have come and gone and not really got much attention... like the IRA, Communist and Anti-Communist movements. Various insurgents over the years, certain hard line Jewish cells (which do exist), those doomsday cultists running around Asia.... and so on.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering there hasn't been any successful attacks on US soil since 9/11, I'd say the US Security is a step ahead. But that is taking into consideration that terrorist attacks have been attempted, which I do not know with 100% accuracy. Homer: Ah, not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away!
Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around here, do you?
Homer: (Looks around) Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Don't forget weapons manufacturers, the third of the biggest grossing industries after oil and something else that escapes me at the moment.

Yes...i should have been more specific.

I worte a (quite lengthy) paper on the rise of American militarism as a result of the Cold War. This nation has chaged so much in the past 50 years. After WWII, 1 in 4 americans was employed in the defense industry.

We've toned it down some, but this nation have beecome increasingly fascist and reliant on its military power (save for a few spots here and there).

Now facism has some good points, but the corporate facism is inexcusable. We should stop going to war to keep our economy up.

But, I almost can predict: Americna involvement in Iraq will decrease, major oporations will stop just before the 2008 election, a democrat will win in 08, the US will enter its post war recession, Republicans will blame it on the Democrats "weak on everything" and take back the white house in 2012 with promises of tax cuts that bankrupt this nation.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Don't forget weapons manufacturers, the third of the biggest grossing industries after oil and something else that escapes me at the moment.

Pharmaceuticals...

Well if you throw it hard enough and it's a baby tiger. But that's just mean.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well if you throw it hard enough and it's a baby tiger. But that's just mean.

Besides mean you'd also be dead, momma tigers are usually close by.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Homer: Ah, not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away!
Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around here, do you?
Homer: (Looks around) Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.

I remember using that one in a similar thread in this exact forum. How can one cartoon be so politically relevant I ask? (Rhetorical)

I think that the terrorists are ahead because of their mentality. All of them believe that America is the Great Satan, that it is a dogshit pie thrown in the face of the almighty Allah, etc. Whereas around here there are a lot of people who think that most Arabs aren't terrorists, and these people do everything they can do avoid adressing the fact that most terrorists are Arabs/Muslims and/or to convince people that terrorists don't exist (because if we were to acknowledge that terrorists might actually *GASP!* exist, then we might offend some unimportant minority). America and its minions are going easy on the terrorists, but the terrorists have no intention of going easy on us.