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Ill start
Darkseid
Rune King Thor

Odin
Surtur
Shazam
Dormammu

Odin, Zeus.... basically any head of a pantheon of "gods".... like these guys:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4442/untitled1sy3.th.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Ill start
Darkseid
Rune King Thor

Is Darksied really a Skyfather level being ?

Anyway

Definites :

The Wizard Shazam (When he was alive)
Superman Prime (When he returned from his 'adventures' on the outside of the universe)
Ganthet (Most powerful of the guardians)
The Molecule man
Morg with the Water of Life
The Thunder Bolt (If only Jakeem Knew its potential)
The 5th Dimensional Imps
Takion (The New Highfather)
Nabu / Mordru
The Milenium Giants
Solaris (The Computer Sun)
Sutur
Tyrant
Abaraxs


Maybe's:
Superman 1 million
The Phantom Stranger
Izaha (The Original Highfather)
Thanos (easilly IMO, although some disagree)

Is Darksied really a Skyfather level being ?


Hell yeah!!

Loeb's Darkseid is maybe Herald level...

Originally posted by Skeets
Loeb's Darkseid is maybe Herald level...
So true

Originally posted by Skeets
Loeb's Darkseid is maybe Herald level... Only when fighting Superman.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Is Darksied really a Skyfather level being ?

Anyway

Definites :

The Wizard Shazam (When he was alive)
Superman Prime (When he returned from his 'adventures' on the outside of the universe)
Ganthet (Most powerful of the guardians)
The Molecule man
Morg with the Water of Life
The Thunder Bolt (If only Jakeem Knew its potential)
The 5th Dimensional Imps
Takion (The New Highfather)
Nabu / Mordru
The Milenium Giants
Solaris (The Computer Sun)
Sutur
Tyrant
Abaraxs


Maybe's:
Superman 1 million
The Phantom Stranger
Izaha (The Original Highfather)
Thanos (easilly IMO, although some disagree) You naming off Skyfather and up then?

Phantom Stranger is 100% Skyfather.

What about mindless hulk?

Wolverine and Batman w/ Prep.

Well to get out the obvious, Superman and Wolverine.

Darkseid is a skyfather, just as Izaya is.
Darky is the Father of the Apok line, and Izzy the father of the N Genesis line.

Abraxas is way above skyfather level.
Superman Prime hasn't any showings to validify this rank, but its not unreasonable.
Molecule Man is a cube being, and they are explicitly over skyfathers.
Morg with WOL, is a cut above the top tier. I would never say skyfather.

The 5d imps?? Nope, easily above.
M Giants?? Not going by the people who maintain that they're celestial analogues.
Superman 1 Million?? Nope.
Thanos?? Hell no.





P.s. Skyfather isn't a level. Merely a title.

Odin would probably wreck Zeus, but both are skyfathers....
All a skyfather is, is basically a pantheon head or something similar.

Originally posted by Juntai
Only when fighting Superman.
Except Loeb's Superman is Skyfather too.

Originally posted by Validus
Except Loeb's Superman is Skyfather too.
have you read superman batman 13?

Originally posted by Validus
Except Loeb's Superman is Skyfather too.

Nah, he's still top tier.
Loeb just dumbs down other obviously more powerful characters so that they appear to be merely top tier, or mid tier like Ironman.

it is also a way to measure some ones power like herald level its the same with skyfather and even celestial etc. The term may have come from Marvels pantheon gods but its used to get a general idea of how strong some one is. I would say Thanos is easily skyfather level due to his recent upgrades.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Odin, Zeus.... basically any head of a pantheon of "gods".... like these guys:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4442/untitled1sy3.th.jpg
Which comic was that from??

Originally posted by UniOmni
Nah, he's still top tier.

Wrong.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Which comic was that from??

Marvel: The End

The one where Thanos got the HOTU.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Marvel: The End

The one where Thanos got the HOTU.
I was thinking that arch, wasnt sure. Thanks.

The DC Greek Pantheon

The Hindu Pantheon

i don't think that DS or Izaya are Skyfathers they should be higher. I mean Izaya and DS have both created beings in skyfather range with their own power.

Zeus
Odin
Yu-Hang
Brahma
Shiva
Vishnu
Tezcatlipoca
Ltzamna
Ukko
Nuado
Lzangi
Ammon Ra

Just to name a few

Originally posted by UniOmni
Well to get out the obvious, Superman and Wolverine.

Darkseid is a skyfather, just as Izaya is.
Darky is the Father of the Apok line, and Izzy the father of the N Genesis line.

Abraxas is way above skyfather level.
Superman Prime hasn't any showings to validify this rank, but its not unreasonable.
Molecule Man is a cube being, and they are explicitly over skyfathers.
Morg with WOL, is a cut above the top tier. I would never say skyfather.

The 5d imps?? Nope, easily above.
M Giants?? Not going by the people who maintain that they're celestial analogues.
Superman 1 Million?? Nope.
Thanos?? Hell no.





P.s. Skyfather isn't a level. Merely a title.

Odin would probably wreck Zeus, but both are skyfathers....
All a skyfather is, is basically a pantheon head or something similar.

I agree. He is a notch above now

Originally posted by Juntai
You naming off Skyfather and up then?

IMO the next definate level of power is the Celstial Level, and with the exception of the Thunderbolt and maybe Ganthet no one on my list is that powerful.

More beings in the Skyfather > Celstial Level :

Watchers
Stranger

Originally posted by UniOmni
Well to get out the obvious, Superman and Wolverine.

Darkseid is a skyfather, just as Izaya is.
Darky is the Father of the Apok line, and Izzy the father of the N Genesis line.

Abraxas is way above skyfather level.
Superman Prime hasn't any showings to validify this rank, but its not unreasonable.
Molecule Man is a cube being, and they are explicitly over skyfathers.
Morg with WOL, is a cut above the top tier. I would never say skyfather.

The 5d imps?? Nope, easily above.
M Giants?? Not going by the people who maintain that they're celestial analogues.
Superman 1 Million?? Nope.
Thanos?? Hell no.





P.s. Skyfather isn't a level. Merely a title.

Odin would probably wreck Zeus, but both are skyfathers....
All a skyfather is, is basically a pantheon head or something similar.

give me some credit, i know what a Skyfather is .... but in the context of this thread its being referred to as a set level of power simillar to the Class 100 strength level (I.e. beings on the same level of power as known Skyfathers such as odin and Zeus, are considered to be Skyfather level).

IMO the next definative level beyond the Skyfather ranking is that of the Celstial. Most of the characters i've mentioned fit into that category, although i'll be the first to admit it is a broad spectrum.

I agree i was wrong about abaraxs as he is way beyond the Celestial level. Most of the other characters, you have suggested are beyond the Skyfather level are yet to prove they are nearly as powerful as the Celstials, are therefore still associated with the Skyfather level.

And if you read JLA 1 million again and see the reange of superman 1 millions powers, Im sure you'll agree he's atleast on par with Odin and Zeus.

Is the Stranger really that powerful?

He's been beaten by much weaker guys, even guys like Iceman.

Or does he just job a lot?

Cube bings would be above most elder gods who ar above skyfathers
Phantom Stranger, Gathent would be more on a elder god level.

Sky-Father level beings:
this my list

Zuras- stalemated Zeus in battle

Tyrant -"normal"-took out 3 heralders and 4cosmic beings with ease

Thanos-"getting another upgrade from death during Avengers: Celestail Quest"

Mangog"Classic" even put fear in Odin.

Alan Scott-feats speak for themselves.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
give me some credit, i know what a Skyfather is .... but in the context of this thread its being referred to as a set level of power simillar to the Class 100 strength level (I.e. beings on the same level of power as known Skyfathers such as odin and Zeus, are considered to be Skyfather level).

IMO the next definative level beyond the Skyfather ranking is that of the Celstial. Most of the characters i've mentioned fit into that category, although i'll be the first to admit it is a broad spectrum.

I agree i was wrong about abaraxs as he is way beyond the Celestial level. Most of the other characters, you have suggested are beyond the Skyfather level are yet to prove they are nearly as powerful as the Celstials, are therefore still associated with the Skyfather level.

And if you read JLA 1 million again and see the reange of superman 1 millions powers, Im sure you'll agree he's atleast on par with Odin and Zeus.

How so??

Zeus is rather unimpressive at times, but Odin rarely falls flat.

What has 1Million done thats even comparable??

With the help of a gorilla, he used force vision to stop two galaxies from coliding.

He punched through time.

Jumped from planet to planet.

Is way beyond lightspeed.

All very impressive brute showings, barring the galactic thing, but thats only brute stuff.

Odin has done things that baffle the mind.
No version of Superman has feats that place him squarely on par with Odin, imo.

Odin is hella versatile in power. 1Million would probably thrash Validus or Mangog in a fight.
But he hasn't done anything to show me Odin would even bother with him.

And after skyfather comes cube beings.

Celestials are way above skyfathers.

Imps are beyond skyfathers, in that they have true universal power.

Millenium Giants, imo were a huge failure.
They did nothing to show me that they'd wreck Odin or Darkseid.
And those are the definitive skyfathers imo.

Here's the way I see it - from top to bottom with examples. A lot of the characters I listed are actually quite tough to gauge their power level. Many of them Job.

TOAA, Presence, the Writer

1a. Pre-recton Beyonder, HOTU

1b. Multiversal/Extradimensional Abstracts/Angels - Spectre, LT, Lucifer, Michael, White Phoenix, 2nd Age Spawn, Urizen

--Infinity Gauntlet--

2. Universal Abstracts- Eternity, Death, Infinity, 100% Galactus, Abraxas? (has multiversal and universal feats so its tough to tell), Parallax/Ion

3. Celestial-level (lower lvl abstracts)- Celestials (DUH), Average Galactus, In-betweener, Lord Chaos/Master Order, Stranger (even though he jobbed recently in an X-book), Unicron, Ego

4a. Elder God/Old One level - Set, Cytorrak, Gaea, Shuma Gorath, Cthton, Kronos (possibly Celestial lvl)

4b. Cube-being level - Molecule Man, Dr. Manhattan, Kubik, Phantom Stranger (could be higher/could be lower), Hyperstorm

5. Skyfathers/Demon-Lord level - Odin, Zeus, Highfather, Mephisto, Dormammu, Darkseid (low-end), Thanos (low-end), Surtur, Annihilus (hard to judge), Melkor, Malebogia

--Dr Fate & Dr Strange--

6. Heralds - SS, Supes, Thor, Quasar, Genis, veteran Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Sentry, Sauron

7. High-end Meta - Blackbolt, Namor, Sersi (many will argue that she's higher because of her matter transmutation abilities), Hulk, Flash (herald lvl possibly) Newbie GL

Originally posted by UniOmni
How so??

Zeus is rather unimpressive at times, but Odin rarely falls flat.

What has 1Million done thats even comparable??

With the help of a gorilla, he used force vision to stop two galaxies from coliding.

He punched through time.

Jumped from planet to planet.

Is way beyond lightspeed.

All very impressive brute showings, barring the galactic thing, but thats only brute stuff.

Odin has done things that baffle the mind.
No version of Superman has feats that place him squarely on par with Odin, imo.

Odin is hella versatile in power. 1Million would probably thrash Validus or Mangog in a fight.
But he hasn't done anything to show me Odin would even bother with him.

And after skyfather comes cube beings.

Celestials are way above skyfathers.

Imps are beyond skyfathers, in that they have true universal power.

Millenium Giants, imo were a huge failure.
They did nothing to show me that they'd wreck Odin or Darkseid.
And those are the definitive skyfathers imo.


I was thinking more about his more creative powers such as his 10 extra forms of senses and his ESP rain. How many times have you seen Skyfathers create phsyscic rain. Faster than a Speeding Takion, More powerful than a Collapsing Sun, Able to jump fom planet to planet in single bounds, 15 forms of senses, able to create ESP rain, able to blow out Red dwarf suns with his breathe, force vision capable of holding supernova and a variety of other powers given to him by the prime Superman. I think he's easilly a match for Odin, when you consider who Odin has been beaten by in the past. (Sutur, Mangog and The Dark Gods wouldn't stand a chnace against Supes 1 million).

With the help of a Gorilla ? + confused +

The millenium Giants Where a joke and i agree with the notion that there should be a level between Skyfathers and Celestials.

Dammit, can we put this into the forum rules?

"Skyfather" doesn't always have to mean god-heads. Doesn't have to mean Shiva or Odin or whomever, just anyone who is on their level.

It's pretty obvious most of us use the term loosely, correct?


Jerkasses.

Some not mentioned:

The Great Beasts
Gods of the Arctic
Talisman
Llan the Sorcessor

Originally posted by long pig
Dammit, can we put this into the forum rules?

"Skyfather" doesn't always have to mean god-heads. Doesn't have to mean Shiva or Odin or whomever, just anyone who is on their level.

It's pretty obvious most of us use the term loosely, correct?


Jerkasses.

Youre saying that various Skyfathers are not Skyfather level .... a bit stupid i think.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Is Darksied really a Skyfather level being ?


Hell yeah!!

DC likes to say this, but virtually never lets him prove it against Superman. %#$&ing editors.

Superman is that ridiculously overpowered though. He's always been perceived as, physically atleast, one of the most powerful beings in comics.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Youre saying that various Skyfathers are not Skyfather level .... a bit stupid i think.
You would think it's stupid. The same way a monkey thinks it's stupid to wear a diaper, the monkey just isn't smart enough understand. It goes over the little monkey's head or at least he didn't read my post.

Seriously, read the post, you'll be surprised on how much you'll learn about it.

Originally posted by jumpmann
Superman is that ridiculously overpowered though. He's always been perceived as, physically atleast, one of the most powerful beings in comics.
Nah, he's below par herald.

He is only a flying brick with speed. Not herald.

stranger should be way up there in power would he always be there when cosmics gather, and watcher is another one. Darkseid and highfather are higher then normal skyfathers

mufassa. but i may not post pictures of him cause he is gross...

Originally posted by long pig
You would think it's stupid. The same way a monkey thinks it's stupid to wear a diaper, the monkey just isn't smart enough understand. It goes over the little monkey's head or at least he didn't read my post.

Seriously, read the post, you'll be surprised on how much you'll learn about it.

Im about as Stupid as u are witty !

Anyway my original point , b4 you made the 'hilarious' joke about monkeys and diapers is ....

The idea that beings such as Zeus and other Patheon leaders are below youre Skyfather level is a bit of an Oxymoron. For example its like saying; 'Theo Walcott' (A very young english Footballer, who kind of ****ed up our World Cup) has only played for England once, so he doesn't deserve to be given a cap.

A Cap by definition, means that a player has played for his national team. So the statement in turn contardicts itself. As does youre Imaginary Skyfather power level.

Are you sytill following me ?

If you think the name of the powerlevel is flawed (As it clearly is), don't confuse people more by enforcing something that doesn't really make sense. The term Skyyfather level should be thrown out, and something less 'Moronic' should be used.

Change the name of the powerlevel. Everyone wins, no one is confused. Even the monkeys and their diapers.

In my opinion
pinnacle skyfathers are
Darkseid
Odin
Highfather
RKT


regulars are usual pantheon, egyptian gods etc


Someone like Thanos I would place at the lower to mid tier but first I have to see how annihlation plays out to view his current level.

rune king thor is above skyfather level.

but here are some skyfathers
odin
surtur
thanos
shazam
nabu
king thor
mangog
seth
depowered tyrant
the stranger


elder god level

Walker
PC darkseid
Set
Chthon
Rune King Thor

Cube being level
kubic
beyonder
molecule man

Abstract level

Dormammu (full power)
Inbetweener
Galactus
Celestials
Shuma Gorath
Zom
Antimonitor
Cyttotak
Vishanti
Tenebrous
FP Tyrant

Superman.
He's indestructable

Circe.
Queen of Fables.

Originally posted by Konton
Circe.
Queen of Fables.

I don't think they're quite Skyfather. I'd put them in Trans.


Though that does remind me, Athena. She got strong enough to depose Zeus.

What catergory do the following fall into;

The great beasts
Hyperstorm
Super Nova
Nova Prime (Full potential Living embodiment of the Nova Force version)

The individual Lords of Order and Chaos who gave girl Hawk and girl Dove their powers. I can't remember their names at the moment.

Phantom Stranger going by implied power.

Arguably PC Mongul

Mr Impossible

Originally posted by Warlord
Mr Impossible


Waaaay beyond sky-father.

Dormammu
Odin
Mephisto
Seth
Tyrant(DP)
Classic Mangog
Selen (FP)
Umar
Darkseid (PC)

why didnt anyone mention Thanos?

http://www.bscreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/thanos-initiative-ignition-marvel-comics.jpg

Super Nova
Nova Prime (Full potential Living embodiment of the Nova Force version)

aren't those two the same thing?

Adversary

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/87192-148830-adversary_large.jpg

Marvel has lots of Skyfathers.

Altjira(God of the dreamtime) of the Aboriginal Gods.
Hunab Ku(God of the sky) of the Ahau Pantheon.
Kāne(God of light) of the Akua Pantheon.
Izanagi(God of the Sky) of the Amatsu-kami Pantheon.
Anu(God of Heaven) of the Annunaki Pantheon.
Viracocha(God of the Sky and Heaven) of the Apu Pantheon
Odin(God of the Sky) of the Asgardian Pantheon.
Svarog(God of the sun and sky) of the Dievas Pantheon
Bathala(God of the Sky) of the Diwata Pantheon.

There are more.