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It has been shown that Surfer can absorb different kinds of cosmic energies, but do you think that his power cosmic can beat the seemingly unbeatable power of Superman Blue? I think it would be a good fight but in the end Surfer would come out on top, what do you think?

I will always give this to Surfer, as in he's had much more experience at this sort of thing.

surfer takes him

Been done before.

This may be the 3rd of 4th time I believe.

And Blue wins...there wasn't an energy the guy couldn't match and absorb by the time he learned how to work his powers.

Originally posted by bigbran
Been done before.

Yep. Here is the longest: 28 pages and over 500 responses

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=351930& amp;highlight=title%3A%28Silver+Surfer+vs+energy+S
uperman%29+forumid%3A77

Ah... the memories. When everyone thought S. Blue was just the man of Steel with a blue face.

S blue takes this 10/10, feat wise S blue has controlled every energy thrown at him and manipulated it too, as well as beat every single being that tried to manipulate his energy.

Blue supes is the best energy manipulator I have ever seen in comics.

Hey Avalon, you said you wanted proof of surfer absorbing a sun.

Oh here.

And..

That was an unlimited red sun.

Just showing proof while others couldn't. Not saying who wins, but I just want to show that he hasn't only said he absorbed a sun in wording.
Ok, now this thread can be closed.
Closing....

Your saying proof cannot be shown that Supes blue totally blows SS out of the water in the energy manipulation category? hahaha, hold on a bit ill try to get scans.

So has SS, Check out the Unilord Saga and youll see the limits of how much he can absorbs and manipulate. With this fight ill give it to SS 10/10. I like big blue but SS has wield power to destroy a universe, I know its piss but it is cannon..

Originally posted by Jesse7
S blue takes this 10/10, feat wise S blue has controlled every energy thrown at him and manipulated it too, as well as beat every single being that tried to manipulate his energy.

Blue supes is the best energy manipulator I have ever seen in comics.

10/10? Isn't that a bit much??

Surfer has an insane feat list. Review it.

And o/t, but i wanna know.

You really don't like Surfer huh??

I've seen you make threads, and swear that the people you put him against would thrash him.

Like Majestic fairly recently.....

Majestic could thrash him as I provided he had the speed to knock him off his board, as well as I showed people who have speed blitzed SS in combat before such as the runner, Thor, etc.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Majestic could thrash him as I provided he had the speed to knock him off his board, as well as I showed people who have speed blitzed SS in combat before such as the runner, Thor, etc.

Thats exactually wat i thought jesse ............... no scans cuz current surfer powns

Surfer is the King of energy absorption and manipulation.

Supes Blue feats

Superman learns how to repair himself when he's hurt as either Clark or as Superman.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5894/week211997action733046st.th.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9885/week211997action733059bv.th.jpg

Supes plays with the EM spectrum
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9328/week211997action733200hp.th.jpg

Creating a repulsion shield.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/537/week251997action734072gv.th.jpg

Creates a whirlwind by manipulating kinetic energy.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6195/actioncomics735140io.th.jpg

Supes manipulates psychic energy
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6045/actioncomics735186ta.th.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4222/actioncomics735199mh.th.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2072/actioncomics735207hy.th.jpg

Magneto isn't the only energy being good for creating shields.
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7379/actioncomics737p129wt.th.jpg

Hal Jordan isn't the only one able to creat bubble forcefields to carry people around.
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7199/actioncomics737p191li.th.jpg

Thats a cool picture of Surfer after he absorbed that sun.

Originally posted by Soleran
Thats a cool picture of Surfer after he absorbed that sun. Ya, it is.

Superman resists having his energy absorbed and reverses the process.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4360/actioncomics739p135ur.th.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5018/actioncomics739p161wp.th.jpg

Superman shows his phasing ability.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1568/actioncomics740p148eh.th.jpg

Blue can prevent other creatures from phasing/teleporting.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4171/actioncomics743p097nm.th.jpg

Tolos in Supermans body claims the body has beyond infinite potential.
This is a being who survives by taking the bodies of powerful hosts, so he knows what he's talking about.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supsbad2.jpg

Superman wrestling Asmodel. The General of Heaven's Bull host, GOD'S army. His power description is "beyond powers.."
http://img449.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asmodelsupes8zf.jpg

Superman absorbing the energy of his hologram doppelganger.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec2.jpg

All this unlimited talk is crap.

SS absorbing a giant red sun smokes any feat of power absorbing you want to show with Superman.

Superman uses a yellow sun to power him up and sundipping amps him alot and still he barely absorbs any of the energy.

Absorbing energy from the clouds. Apparently, Supes can absorb or match energy with just about anything.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec3.jpg

Showing Majestic who's boss. Maj didn't want none of that afterwards.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec9.jpg

Superman absorbs the energy of a base of operations satellite explosion. Here he gets specific and absorbs everything but the light...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec7.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec8.jpg

Superman absorbs and nearly kills parasite, a creature who's power it is to absorb energy, powers, appearance, and memories from others.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8448/adventuresofsuperman552146dx.th.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8963/adventuresofsuperman552155tb.th.jpg

Superman converts energy to matter and uses it to wrestle with one of the millenium giants. He also shows intangibility once again.
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3371/actioncomics744p208kj.th.jpg

Superman absorbing yet another enemies energy.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/354/week221997supesmos68208tl.th.jpg

I'm really starting to dislike this forum with threads like these (where everyone agrees but two people and keeps going on)

Originally posted by Soleran
All this unlimited talk is crap.

SS absorbing a giant red sun smokes any feat of power absorbing you want to show with Superman.

Superman uses a yellow sun to power him up and sundipping amps him alot and still he barely absorbs any of the energy.

Maybe you are just ignorant to Superman Blue, or never read any of his comics, but this statement alone shows your ignorance.

I've posted scans that show Supes can manipulate, control, and even keep others from maniulating all power spectrums, even those SS has never manipulated such as psychic energy, secondly ive posted scans of B supes absorbing energy on a level that blow SS away and he then uses it to wrestle a millinium giant, which would be the DC equivilant to a marvel Celestial.

This has been done before, so you can stop copy and pasting scans right from the respect thread.

Originally posted by Broly92
I'm really starting to dislike this forum with threads like these (where everyone agrees but two people and keeps going on)

Maybe your fanboy side is starting to show, these are debate forums, so instead of acting like a fanboy and saying SS Wins 10/10, how about backing up your claims with scans and well thought out arguments.

Because Blue supes has the scans and feats to utterly destroy and erase SS.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Maybe you are just ignorant to Superman Blue, or never read any of his comics, but this statement alone shows your ignorance.

I've posted scans that show Supes can manipulate, control, and even keep others from maniulating all power spectrums, even those SS has never manipulated such as psychic energy, secondly ive posted scans of B supes absorbing energy on a level that blow SS away and he then uses it to wrestle a millinium giant, which would be the DC equivilant to a marvel Celestial. They aren't on a celestial level.
Or better yet, prove me wrong.
They haven't done anything to prove they are on that level, they only look like it.

Originally posted by bigbran
This has been done before, so you can stop copy and pasting scans right from the respect thread.

It is a debate, and im showing with scans and feats that Blue supes defeats SS in power, energy manipulation, shielding, strength, etc.

Deal with it, the thread was made and its a debate instead of acting like a fanboy and posting SS wins 10/10, use well written arguments with proper scans to back them up.

Because in terms of scans and feats, Blue supes destroys SS as I'm showing and going to show.

Example 1 absorbing energy to wrestle a millinium giant which is DC's equivilant to marvels Celestials, that alone destroys SS in anything SS has ever shown in power and strength.

Example 2 Wrestling with Asmodel the general of heavens armies in DC? wow are you going to tell me SS even holds a candel to Asmodel? Because if so then your fanboy side is showing.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Maybe you are just ignorant to Superman Blue, or never read any of his comics, but this statement alone shows your ignorance.

I've posted scans that show Supes can manipulate, control, and even keep others from maniulating all power spectrums, even those SS has never manipulated such as psychic energy, secondly ive posted scans of B supes absorbing energy on a level that blow SS away and he then uses it to wrestle a millinium giant, which would be the DC equivilant to a marvel Celestial.



Yeah let me help break this down for you, SS just snacked on a Giant Red Sun, he absorbed all of it. Nothing left of an entire sun excpet SS looking HUGE after the fact.

SS has manipulated psychic energy as well........................so far Superman hasn't absorbed a sun so SS is still on top.

Asmodel could have killed Superman in a second but he was such a noble creature Asmodel couldn't bring himself to do it.

Originally posted by bigbran
They aren't on a celestial level.
Or better yet, prove me wrong.
They haven't done anything to prove they are on that level, they only look like it.

The fact that they are stated in narration to be so means nothing to you doesnt it? Do you not know that narration is not a characters opinion its the writters, it isnt that the Millinium giants were weak, its that Blue supes is so insanely powerful.

Stop trying to make Blue supes feats seem as though they are nothing, when in fact they show the opposite that Blue supes is beyond anything SS is or was.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Majestic could thrash him as I provided he had the speed to knock him off his board, as well as I showed people who have speed blitzed SS in combat before such as the runner, Thor, etc.

The only problem with the majestic blitzing him, is that if Norrin doesn't wanna be touched, he won't.

But this is an old argument.

I still maintain Surfer 6/10. If only for the experience and feats.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yeah let me help break this down for you, SS just snacked on a Giant Red Sun, he absorbed all of it. Nothing left of an entire sun excpet SS looking HUGE after the fact.

SS has manipulated psychic energy as well........................so far Superman hasn't absorbed a sun so SS is still on top.

Asmodel could have killed Superman in a second but he was such a noble creature Asmodel couldn't bring himself to do it.

Point 1: show me a scan where SS has manipulated Psychic energy, ive never seen him do it in all his comic history.

Point 2: Ill show you a scan that makes absorbing a red sun look like sand.

Originally posted by Jesse7
The fact that they are stated in narration to be so means nothing to you doesnt it? Do you not know that narration is not a characters opinion its the writters, it isnt that the Millinium giants were weak, its that Blue supes is so insanely powerful.

Stop trying to make Blue supes feats seem as though they are nothing, when in fact they show the opposite that Blue supes is beyond anything SS is or was. Where have I said SS wins?
And they haven't showed on panel what they can do, they have just proven to be failures.
If not, then I guess we can put Apoc on a Thanos level. We can put Rhino on a thing level. Or we can put Sentry on a supes level.
It's not what's on panel, it's what's in the narration right? Um no!Originally posted by Jesse7
It is a debate, and im showing with scans and feats that Blue supes defeats SS in power, energy manipulation, shielding, strength, etc.

Deal with it, the thread was made and its a debate instead of acting like a fanboy and posting SS wins 10/10, use well written arguments with proper scans to back them up.

Because in terms of scans and feats, Blue supes destroys SS as I'm showing and going to show.

Example 1 absorbing energy to wrestle a millinium giant which is DC's equivilant to marvels Celestials, that alone destroys SS in anything SS has ever shown in power and strength.

Example 2 Wrestling with Asmodel the general of heavens armies in DC? wow are you going to tell me SS even holds a candel to Asmodel? Because if so then your fanboy side is showing.
Well this debate has been done, about 3 or 4 times, so just revive one of them. You don't need to waste your time on a thread that has been done numerous times before.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Point 1: show me a scan where SS has manipulated Psychic energy, ive never seen him do it in all his comic history.

Sorry I dumped my Surfer page that I used for scans.



Um Superman is powered by a yellow sun which isn't as large as a Red Sun and SS swallowed all of the red suns energy. If Superman were to perform a feat like that on Earth it would vanish.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Point 1: show me a scan where SS has manipulated Psychic energy, ive never seen him do it in all his comic history.

Point 2: Ill show you a scan that makes absorbing a red sun look like sand. What? Defeating Parasite? I'm actually curious, to see how you trump the absorbion of the red sun.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Maybe your fanboy side is starting to show, these are debate forums, so instead of acting like a fanboy and saying SS Wins 10/10, how about backing up your claims with scans and well thought out arguments.

Because Blue supes has the scans and feats to utterly destroy and erase SS. That's proves you are a idiot because I said nothing before that post

Originally posted by Soleran
Sorry I dumped my Surfer page that I used for scans.



Um Superman is powered by a yellow sun which isn't as large as a Red Sun and SS swallowed all of the red suns energy. If Superman were to perform a feat like that on Earth it would vanish.

Firstly Blue supes isnt powered by any sun, he is pure energy, he can draw energy form any where, anyone and anything, he can turn matter to energy and energy to matter, everything and everyone including SS is his energy to do with as he pleases.

And about the scan that will trump the red sun absorbtion (which by the way post the scans after that to show how much it helped SS in his fight) I will get to shortly.

Jesse, you never answered my question.

Do you have a mad on for Surfer?? And if so, why?

Surfer beats Blue Superman even easier than he would regular Supes.Surfer owns energy beings.

Originally posted by Skeets
Surfer beats Blue Superman even easier than he would regular Supes.Surfer owns energy beings.

Hmm only two people in this thread think that Superman wins. And one of them has a superman sig and Avatar while the other is a known Silver Surfer Hater.

So I think it is pretty obvious who takes this.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
Absorbs soul transformed it to psychic energy and then to his own.
Thats enough power to destroy that Universe... And we know the Watcher dont tell lies..

Here SS absorbes power/energy from this Universe Eternity, he also defeated him w/ it.... Im pretty sure this guy is notchess above Blue Supes...
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7204/unilord1eh1.th.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1507/unilord2eb3.th.jpg
looks like his been demolecularised but he was able to put himself back, also not the first time his done it...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2103/ssvsunica7.th.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9163/ssvsuni1cz2.th.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4821/ssvsuni2wu0.th.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4389/unilord6oq6.th.jpg

Also T-vo is not gonna work on him here is why:
This little lady manipulates realities.... In a big way..
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5637/ssvsmarduk5ut2.th.jpg
SS didnt want none of it...
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9021/ssfightsoffrealcntrljd2.th.jpg

Mephisto Illution casting... and we all know that he is at a skyfather level..and the whole Island is under his spells....
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9799/ssvsmeph1lt5.th.jpg
Here SS dispelled it..,
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/901/ssvsmephdc8.th.jpg

SS beats Blue Supes... but just my 2 cents...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
Incase people wondered if he dies after absorbing too much energy, no he didnt but he couldnt release it cause of fear from destroying that universe, he released it in diff. multiverses in increaments.

he can absorb a sun but cant absorb thanos rays right sounds stupid sounds like PIS too, i thought he ony had a fraction of big G's power not like alot, isnt big G one of the beings who can sap a planet dry easily why is surfer now elevated to that level as shown when he absorbs a sun?

Originally posted by Mider999
he can absorb a sun but cant absorb thanos rays right sounds stupid sounds like PIS too, i thought he ony had a fraction of big G's power not like alot, isnt big G one of the beings who can sap a planet dry easily why is surfer now elevated to that level as shown when he absorbs a sun? I knew you would bring Thanos up. Why not Quazer, or Morg?
The thing is, Surfer doesn't absorb blasts(cept Firelord) but he does exploit weakness's. Hulk's, Glads.
And another thing, we have never really seen G get a really good showing, or absorb anything, so he could probably do it too.
And G can always absorb his worldship, and become an Eternity level.

bump

Originally posted by Skeets
Surfer beats Blue Superman even easier than he would regular Supes.Surfer owns energy beings. Not if we utilize the Beyonder fanboy theory of debating. Utilizing hyperbole to its fullest.

Energy Superman is the most powerful being in the omniverse.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not if we utilize the Beyonder fanboy theory of debating. Utilizing hyperbole to its fullest.

Energy Superman is the most powerful being in the omniverse.
Originally posted by Juntai
Get that crap out of here.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not if we utilize the Beyonder fanboy theory of debating. Utilizing hyperbole to its fullest.

Energy Superman is the most powerful being in the omniverse. lol isnt that true!

Originally posted by Skeets
owned with my own quote
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Originally posted by Skeets
Surfer beats Blue Superman even easier than he would regular Supes.Surfer owns energy beings.

Energy Supes pwns energy absorbers.

How about energy shunters!?!?!?!?


It sounds like Energy Superman is like Captain Atom but he isn't just a huge dork.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Energy Supes pwns energy absorbers.
Too bad Surfer has other powers....

Originally posted by Skeets
Too bad Surfer has other powers....

Apparently so does Supes.... writers made them up as they went along.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3339/thespectrev40309jo3.th.jpg

id say supe wins, the respect thread seems like a little to much for surfer to overcome

Originally posted by galan7777777
id say supe wins, the respect thread seems like a little to much for surfer to overcome
Have you seen Surfer's? look above at the scans Rols posted.

Originally posted by Skeets
Have you seen Surfer's? look above at the scans Rols posted. yeah, both are impressive, but i dont know if absorption powers could really make a difference before the fight was over

Originally posted by Juntai
owned with my own quote
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Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, both are impressive, but i dont know if absorption powers could really make a difference before the fight was over
Check Surfer's respect thread.

Originally posted by Skeets
Check Surfer's respect thread. believe me, i have.....but how can u beat something u cant touch?

Originally posted by galan7777777
believe me, i have.....but how can u beat something u cant touch?
Why can't surfer touch superman?

Originally posted by Skeets
Why can't surfer touch superman? because physical attacks, energy blasts dont work on him

Originally posted by galan7777777
because physical attacks, energy blasts dont work on him
See how little you know of the Surfer.Supes being pure energy makes it easier for Surfer to beat him.Surfer can manipulate all types of energy and with his cosmic awareness Supes goes down with one blast.

Originally posted by Skeets
See how little you know of the Surfer.Supes being pure energy makes it easier for Surfer to beat him.Surfer can manipulate all types of energy and with his cosmic awareness Supes goes down with one blast. but in his containment suit supes isnt raw exposed energy like surfer can manipulate

Has he ever manipulated an unlimited source of energy with the consciousness, skills and will power of Superman?

Just asking.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6330/10bg9.th.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/708/12fk5.th.jpg

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Has he ever manipulated an unlimited source of energy with the consciousness, skills and will power of Superman?

Just asking.
The Odin force...

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Has he ever manipulated an unlimited source of energy with the consciousness, skills and will power of Superman?

Just asking. no surfer has only manipulated raw energy

Originally posted by galan7777777
no surfer has only manipulated raw energy
Oh,really?

Originally posted by Skeets
Oh,really? when hasnt he?

Originally posted by galan7777777
when hasnt he?
Plenty of times and seems like you are ignoring my scans.

Originally posted by Skeets
Plenty of times and seems like you are ignoring my scans. ure scans show WM and androids, these cant be compared to supes blue

Originally posted by galan7777777
ure scans show WM and androids, these cant be compared to supes blue Then you ignored rol's scans on the other page. Either way, your ignoring someone's scans.

Originally posted by bigbran
Then you ignored rol's scans on the other page. Either way, your ignoring someone's scans. u mean the ones where surfer absorbs a star?

Originally posted by galan7777777
ure scans show WM and androids, these cant be compared to supes blue
An android who was intangible and Wonderman who like Supes is an energy being.did you read the scans?if you did you would know that Surfer didn't just blast them both with an energy blast.

Originally posted by galan7777777
u mean the ones where surfer absorbs a star? No. The ones, one page over.

Originally posted by Skeets
An android who was intangible and Wonderman who like Supes is an energy being.did you read the scans?if you did you would know that Surfer didn't just blast them both with an energy blast. i understand that, but their nothing compared to what supes can do

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=418273&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by galan7777777
i understand that, but their nothing compared to what supes can do
Doesn't matter.Supes is still an energy being and Surfer would just manipulate his energy like he did Wonderman.

Originally posted by Skeets
Doesn't matter.Supes is still an energy being and Surfer would just manipulate his energy like he did Wonderman. well while surfer may win, he wouldnt beat supes easily at all, i think it would be a good fight

Surfer usaully utilizes people's wekanesses to his advantage.
Wonderman, Hulk(sometimes, but when he doesn't, it's just because he's popular) Gladiator.

Originally posted by galan7777777
well while surfer may win, he wouldnt beat supes easily at all, i think it would be a good fight
Sure it would it's Superman.

If we gave oh, I don't know, Gladiator, superman's exact level of power, and the ability to use it. He would lose all the time, still. It's because the more popular character usaully wins.

Originally posted by bigbran
If we gave oh, I don't know, Gladiator, superman's exact level of power, and the ability to use it. He would lose all the time, still. It's because the more popular character usaully wins. well supe blue v.s. gladiator is no contest in supes favor, but surfer would beat him (not easily though)

Originally posted by galan7777777
well supe blue v.s. gladiator is no contest in supes favor, but surfer would beat him (not easily though) I said, if we had a energy Gladiator, same powers, same level. He wouldn't be like what Supes is, for the reason, he isn't as popular.

Originally posted by bigbran
I said, if we had a energy Gladiator, same powers, same level. He wouldn't be like what Supes is, for the reason, he isn't as popular. o i see, thats true though

Originally posted by galan7777777
o i see, thats true though It's also like Sentry being on Supes level, just because of the idea of him.
Sentry is quite a popular character, and thus, he is probably going to end up on Superman's actually level. And his idea, and popularity, make people think he is on a Superman level.
But until then, we haven't seen him do anything to put him there.

Originally posted by bigbran
It's also like Sentry being on Supes level, just because of the idea of him.
Sentry is quite a popular character, and thus, he is probably going to end up on Superman's actually level. And his idea, and popularity, makepeople think he is on a Superman level.
But until then, we haven't seen him do anything to put him there. yeah, he's way 2 hyped

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, he's way 2 hyped Hes not interesting either. I would like him better if they game him the beard like his first appearance and actually have him do a definite feat.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Hes not interesting either. I would like him better if they game him the beard like his first appearance and actually have him do a definite feat. exactly, and mabye they could introduce a more interesting history for sentry........ because the existing one is awful

Originally posted by Skeets
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3339/thespectrev40309jo3.th.jpg





Torquasm Vo is one power that Superman Blue didn't have.

I just realized I already posted the scan of when Blue supes puts Surfer to shame in terms of absorbption and energy/matter manipulation, it was when he manipulated his limitless energy into matter and became strong enough to go h2h with a millinium giant, thats power that surpasses Surfer.

By the way T-vo FTW, it worked on a abstract/sky father level being (avalon could you post the scans of this battle?) so it should work on Surfer.

This is spite thread agaisnt superman just close it for sake of the fanboys.

Originally posted by galan7777777
well supe blue v.s. gladiator is no contest in supes favor, but surfer would beat him (not easily though)

It wouldn't be an easy victory on either end.

Superman would come out victorious in the end though.

Where SS had limits on what energy he could control and what he could absorb, Supes didn't seem to have that issue.

Avalon they call me a fanboy for defending energy supes, when its obvious Blue supes is the better energy manipulator here.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I just realized I already posted the scan of when Blue supes puts Surfer to shame in terms of absorbption and energy/matter manipulation, it was when he manipulated his limitless energy into matter and became strong enough to go h2h with a millinium giant, thats power that surpasses Surfer.

By the way T-vo FTW, it worked on a abstract/sky father level being (avalon could you post the scans of this battle?) so it should work on Surfer. Originally posted by Avalonofthewind


Torquasm Vo is one power that Superman Blue didn't have.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Avalon they call me a fanboy for defending energy supes, when its obvious Blue supes is the better energy manipulator here.

According to these forums, Surfer is a nigh unbeatable juggernaut.
No matter what the other characters powers are, Surfer is always better.

Anything wearing an "S" shield will be bashed and given the minority. If could be Supes vs colossus and people will still say Superman loses.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
According to these forums, Surfer is a nigh unbeatable juggernaut.
No matter what the other characters powers are, Surfer is always better.

Anything wearing an "S" shield will be bashed and given the minority. If could be Supes vs colossus and people will still say Superman loses. No, but everyone agrees that pc supes or 1 million, would destroy SS.
And If you have seen my posts lately, you will know that I think he can beat pretty much anyone under herald level. Supes that is.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, but everyone agrees that pc supes or 1 million, would destroy SS.
And If you have seen my posts lately, you will know that I think he can beat pretty much anyone under herald level. Supes that is.

You'd be surprised. I've seen people feverishly argue for SS against Pre crisis or Supes 1M.

On a side note, I have noticed a dramatic improvement in your debating lately. You seem more serious about getting things correct.

Good to see.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You'd be surprised. I've seen people feverishly argue for SS against Pre crisis or Supes 1M.

On a side note, I have noticed a dramatic improvement in your debating lately. You seem more serious about getting things correct.

Good to see. Yup, I was never biased towards DC, but I didn't like it as much. Now you see me defending them, Like supes being weaker than hulk(absolutely not)
I've gained a better understanding of it's characters, and now Black adam, Spectre, and Lucifer are some of my favorite characters.
Don't get me wrong, I still don't like Supes, but I'm not going to trash him, and make him lose, in every battle. I argue for the character, that will win, not the character, that I like better.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Avalon they call me a fanboy for defending energy supes, when its obvious Blue supes is the better energy manipulator here.
Again where is the scan you posted that made him better energy manipulator than SS.. Ive seen your previous post scanned, and i dont see it being Above SS..


http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8994/psionicsskm7.th.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
Soul to Psychic energy.. The only energy i havent seen him not absorbed
is magic...
Here SS fights against Eternity, Absorbed his energy and defeated him with it..
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4348/unilordwh1.th.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9438/unilordrr4.th.jpg

Rols he doesn't fight against eternity, get your facts straight -_- thats the Uni-Lord I think it is or some thing along those lines, going to try and pull the card on me that says " o but he has been through countless universes and was originally a eternity but absorbed countless souls" yeah that wont work because going by feats hes no where near Eternity.

If you want to say thats Eternity, then the Millinial Giants that Supes faced are beyonders which Supes defeated, so going by feats Supes wins there.

Originally posted by Rols
Again where is the scan you posted that made him better energy manipulator than SS.. Ive seen your previous post scanned, and i dont see it being Above SS..


http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8994/psionicsskm7.th.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
Soul to Psychic energy.. The only energy i havent seen him not absorbed
is magic...
Here SS fights against Eternity, Absorbed his energy and defeated him with it..
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4348/unilordwh1.th.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9438/unilordrr4.th.jpg

I'm not sure if those are the same thing. In one scan he's projecting images of his consciousness...something standards Supes and even Cyborg has done.

In the second scan, he's being powered by many souls.


Here Superman defeats "Saviour"... a character who's power is to create/have any power/weapon he wants.

He does this by manipulating "Psychic" energy. Still within his own body and very much under his own control. You can't make a much more PIS character than this...

This would be akin to SS going into Thor or Thanos and turning their powers off.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6045/actioncomics735186ta.th.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4222/actioncomics735199mh.th.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2072/actioncomics735207hy.th.jpg

why do people still argue that SS is this omnipotent character that tops every version of supes, ive even seen people argue SS beats SBP or supes prime or supes 1 million.

Blue Supes wrestled an Angel of heaven, not any angel but Asmodel the archangel of heavens armies who is WAY beyond Herald, skyfather, and Abstract level, because DC angels are very powerful and to top it off its the archangel general of heavens armies.

Blue supes completely outclasses SS here but people dont see that they just name others fanboys or ss haters.

quazar beating nigh omnipatents sounds like total BS if there higher then galactus cause when surfer had the bands and he used them to there full potential galactus smacked him down, morg i dont know what your talking about what he ever did that was PIS i dont remeber much about him, but its bull that SS absorbs a sun, supes blue should kick his butt, surfer making a black hole thanos has trouble with black holes why hasnt surfer just opened one on his butt i guess surfer is stronger then thanos but keeps his little emotions in check.

Originally posted by Jesse7
why do people still argue that SS is this omnipotent character that tops every version of supes, ive even seen people argue SS beats SBP or supes prime or supes 1 million.

Blue Supes wrestled an Angel of heaven, not any angel but Asmodel the archangel of heavens armies who is WAY beyond Herald, skyfather, and Abstract level, because DC angels are very powerful and to top it off its the archangel general of heavens armies.

Blue supes completely outclasses SS here but people dont see that they just name others fanboys or ss haters.
Boo!!! you haven't provided anything that would put Supes above Surfer.You posted bunch of Scans that don't come close to what Surfer's done.

Yeah,that Asmodel feat wasn't pis...
That feat was some much BS that it was gonna be regular Supes not Blue energy Supes who did that.

You call it PIS? Sounds a bit fanboyish to me, face it that feat alone puts Blue supes above SS ^_^

Originally posted by Jesse7
You call it PIS? Sounds a bit fanboyish to me, face it that feat alone puts Blue supes above SS ^_^
fanboyish get serious I'm one of the few Superman fans on here that don't accept everything he does.

how come you only responded to that part?
Just cause you visited Avalon's respect thread you're the blue Superman expert...
You did the same thing for Majestic..

Actually I know for a fact that wrestling with Asmodel puts Supes above SS for the following reasons, have you ever read the Vertigo line of comics in specific the Lucifer series, or the sandman series?

Angels are far beyond herald and sky father level, and the general of their armies, thats top tier.

Originally posted by Skeets
fanboyish get serious I'm one of the few Superman fans on here that don't accept everything he does.

how come you only responded to that part?
Just cause you visited Avalon's respect thread you're the blue Superman expert...
You did the same thing for Majestic..

Originally posted by Skeets
fanboyish get serious I'm one of the few Superman fans on here that don't accept everything he does.

how come you only responded to that part?
Just cause you visited Avalon's respect thread you're the blue Superman expert...
You did the same thing for Majestic..

Ooo so I read a respect thread, and it did increase what I know about blue supes, I do like his character even though many on these boards seem to loathe him. Secondly what does it matter if I read the respect thread? Would you rather that I and everyone else be ignorant to Supes feats and limits so as to when some one debates against his character its a easy coast for the opposition?

Please, I know about the angels of DC and Supes wrestling with one puts him far above SS, call it PIS if you want but its a feat and its cannon so your going to have to deal with it.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Actually I know for a fact that wrestling with Asmodel puts Supes above SS for the following reasons, have you ever read the Vertigo line of comics in specific the Lucifer series, or the sandman series?

Angels are far beyond herald and sky father level, and the general of their armies, thats top tier.
I know exactly who Asmodel is,if you did you would call pis aswell.

wow you act as if I havent seen what angels can do and cannot do in vertigo, you seem to dismiss any extremely high feats of Supes just because you think its PIS or that Supes just cannot do it.

Yes angels completely outclass supes, but going by that feat Supes was able to hang with Asmodel so its a feat of his none the less, I see it that Supes is far more powerful then many give him credit for being so, and that as stated in the comic he has limitless potential.

Originally posted by Jesse7
wow you act as if I havent seen what angels can do and cannot do in vertigo, you seem to dismiss any extremely high feats of Supes just because you think its PIS or that Supes just cannot do it.

Yes angels completely outclass supes, but going by that feat Supes was able to hang with Asmodel so its a feat of his none the less, I see it that Supes is far more powerful then many give him credit for being so, and that as stated in the comic he has limitless potential. Ok, then. Spiderman beat firelord.

So your saying Asmodel is equal to that of Lucifer. Asmodel<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Lucifer. Its not even funny.. You cant compare those 2.. Unilord who SS defeated is supposedly the embodiment of that Universe, He was absorbing powers from him. Blue Supes havent encountered a being of that level cept the promethian giants.. and yes, Asmodel..


In there his fighting a being of pure psionic energy (kinda like the Unimind) cept a lot bigger and powerfull and his being attack telepathicly and teleketickly and he fought back w psionic(consciousness) energy.


which he manipulated to become psychic energy, henceforth controlling psychic energy.. which someone wanted proof..


Nobody has said SS beats or above all version of Supes, but id like to think SS is above blue Supes in energy/matter manipulation abilities..


Could this guy wipe out the Universe, cause SS at what time possess power to destroy lay down a Universe piss or not but it is 616 so its cannon..


Again show us scans proving your point cause so far, i have yet to see one thats totally outclassing SS.. I think we all know whos the fanboy here..

In terms of feat SS has shown way above that of Blue Supes..

wow when did I say asmodel is greater then Lucifer, quote me if you can I never said any such ting.

Here i thought you had Asmodel compared with Lucifer, my bad... misread it. Still it does not give him enough reason to be above SS just cause he wristled Asmodel.. SS has fought being above him...

ss has fought h2h with beings on Asmodel's level.....SS with no outside power enhancements.....when?

Let say he beat Unilord twice, He beat a watcher... He fought Marduk with Realty altering powers.. I think this is why his series ended because
of becoming extremely powerfull feat wise he has shown abilities surpassing that of his master....

Originally posted by Rols
Let say he beat Unilord twice, He beat a watcher... He fought Marduk with Realty altering powers.. I think this is why his series ended because
of becoming extremely powerfull feat wise he has shown abilities surpassing that of his master.... He passed his master feat wise, before that.
Hell Firelord has passed him feat wise.
But they will never surpass him, because they were created by g.

I still say ASmodel is above anything below Abstract level, hes an angel afterall and a general of all of heavens armies on top of that.

Unilord is Eternity which Surfer deafeated by configuring himself with Blackbody who is like Galactus but mostly devour souls..

Uni-Lord is noit eternity....you were talking about PIS earlier and now your telling me Uni-Lord is eternity, do you honestly think SS could defeat a true eternity level being on his own? Uni-Lord was not eternity level.

Well read the issues, he is the embodiment of that Universe here is one of the scans... http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4348/unilordwh1.th.jpg
He created everything in this Universe.. and he refered to himself as the Universe a few times in the issues... As i was saying he was extremely powerfull in his latest issues prior to being cancelled..

Originally posted by Jesse7
You call it PIS? Sounds a bit fanboyish to me, face it that feat alone puts Blue supes above SS ^_^

Wait a second, YOUR calling someone a fanboy?! Aren't you the one who said that in a forum battle, PC Superman should be considered to be immune to kryptonite and redsun radiation?

Power of the Universe, what the Watcher calls it...
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7613/ssgod2oy2.th.jpg

so SS has PIS feats galore since he has feats that surpase galactus and such thats pretty lame truly, defeating the watcher HA thats funny, and eternity even more bull.

Originally posted by Mider999
so SS has PIS feats galore since he has feats that surpase galactus and such thats pretty lame truly, defeating the watcher HA thats funny, and eternity even more bull. The guy was Eternity in his own universe. That doesn't mean he was on that level.
He would probably be on a hungry Galactus level. Maybe 40 to 50 % Galactus. Still a stretch though.

Originally posted by bigbran
The guy was Eternity in his own universe. That doesn't mean he was on that level.
He would probably be on a hungry Galactus level. Maybe 40 to 50 % Galactus. Still a stretch though. true

Could someone please tell me what PIS means?

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
Could someone please tell me what PIS means?
Plot Induced Stupidity-It's when a character doesn't fight to the best of their abilities in a comic book, just to make the fight scenes better. Like when Superman or the Flash DON'T speedblitz the villian, and hit them a thousnd times in one panel, winning the fight before it even really starts.

Originally posted by Mider999
so SS has PIS feats galore since he has feats that surpase galactus and such thats pretty lame truly, defeating the watcher HA thats funny, and eternity even more bull.
How would you know if its pis, if you havent read the full story... You dont even know what went on with the fight against the Watcher or the story behind SS when he went against the Unilord.. Read the story then decide... I know i saide piss before but i reread the whole saga and there was a reason why he manage to beat him.... Not just because he was able to absorb that much energy..

So now the watchers word is law? Do you know how rediculous that is to claim, you take the watchers word as law yet you dont take the DC cosmic and abstracts beings words as law when they say Supes is limitless in power and capacity.

Or when he is able to wrestle with archangels, give it a break your biased against Supes you usualy are in every thread involving Supes unless its a blatant loss against the other character.

Originally posted by Jesse7
So now the watchers word is law? Do you know how rediculous that is to claim, you take the watchers word as law yet you dont take the DC cosmic and abstracts beings words as law when they say Supes is limitless in power and capacity.

You keep throwing around limitless and yet we constantly see his limits...............................




Yeah so what I can wrestle a baby that doesn't mean the baby has a chance either.

Except for the fact that he went toe to toe with the angel it wasn't as if the angel had an advatage over him, that and he wrestled with Millinial Giants (DC version of Celestials) and defeated them.

Yeah about seeing Energy supes limits, he had no limits through the entire story arc, any limits he encountered he over came he was never once limited on his energy or manipulation or absorption, etc.

Originally posted by Soleran
You keep throwing around limitless and yet we constantly see his limits...............................




Yeah so what I can wrestle a baby that doesn't mean the baby has a chance either.

This baby was giving the grown up a hard time though.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Except for the fact that he went toe to toe with the angel it wasn't as if the angel had an advatage over him, that and he wrestled with Millinial Giants (DC version of Celestials) and defeated them. If I'm not mistaken the millenium giants are not equal to the celestials. The promethium giants are.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
This baby was giving the grown up a hard time though.

The majority of this forum just hates anything with a big S on it, that and wolverine too. Ive pretty much stoped arguing with people for the most part as when I debate with them using well thought out strategy and scans to back it up all they do is call PIS or say Surfer is just to powerful/fast to ever be touched and thus wins.

Talk about fanboys and ignorance, lol claiming the uni-lord is eternity they take uni-lords word but they dont take the millinial giants word. They take the watchers word but not an angels word, so biased even if they deny it.

Originally posted by Jesse7
So now the watchers word is law? Do you know how rediculous that is to claim, you take the watchers word as law yet you dont take the DC cosmic and abstracts beings words as law when they say Supes is limitless in power and capacity.

Or when he is able to wrestle with archangels, give it a break your biased against Supes you usualy are in every thread involving Supes unless its a blatant loss against the other character.

Im not denying what the Millenium giants said to Blue Supes being limitless in power and capacity, but you saying Blue Supes totally outclassing SS is false as scan shows that he has feats Surpassing Blue Supes.. Pis or not.. And i am not biased against Supes, in fact This version of Supes is one of my fav. Char., so is Eradicator as they are Caster and absorber of energy, Char. that interest me...

Originally posted by Jesse7
So now the watchers word is law? Do you know how rediculous that is to claim, you take the watchers word as law yet you dont take the DC cosmic and abstracts beings words as law when they say Supes is limitless in power and capacity.

Or when he is able to wrestle with archangels, give it a break your biased against Supes you usualy are in every thread involving Supes unless its a blatant loss against the other character.

Jesse, the only thing i've seen people take offense/ridicule, was the statement that Superman had potential that was beyond infinite.

If you wanna defend that statement, then your education lost. Badly.

It's a stupid lipservice moment. Fact.

Potential beyond infinite is saying that he has the potential to out grow infinity.
There's something inherently wrong with that mans logic.
And its one you choose to defend??

And Superman does have his detractors.

As does every character with a clear jobber aura.
And imo, rightly so(except Batman).

Surfer has feats that are insane.
But you disregard them.

As you disregard everything about Surfer in your attempts to bring him down.

Originally posted by Jesse7

Talk about fanboys and ignorance, lol claiming the uni-lord is eternity they take uni-lords word but they dont take the millinial giants word. They take the watchers word but not an angels word, so biased even if they deny it.
Lol, There is evedense of him in comic panel that shows he is that Universe... Also was stated by the Author.. your the one whos denying it..

I have a question, exactly how powerful was this Angel that Superman took on? I mean, what has his kind been shown to be capable of doing in DC?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I have a question, exactly how powerful was this Angel that Superman took on? I mean, what has his kind been shown to be capable of doing in DC?

In the war against heaven, it took the presence to stop him. He was killing teams of Angels and Demons effortlessly.

if SS defeated eternity then its PIS and probably bull

Originally posted by Mider999
if SS defeated eternity then its PIS and probably bull He didn't. The guy was eternity in his universe, but that doesn't mean he was as powerful as Eternity.
It was just the concept.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In the war against heaven, it took the presence to stop him. He was killing teams of Angels and Demons effortlessly.

Nuff said this tops Eternity, do you now know how powerful DC angels are? Do you know that DC imps destroy universes for fun, do you know how powerful the highest ranking angels in DC are?