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Three of the more powerful and popular Celestials battle it out who wins

Vague vs Vague vs Vague.

Thats like asking if White, Dark, or Milk chocolate is the best...

One Above All

none of them have a chance against TOAA

dreaming celestials good - i like his armour

exitars is the best armour though

Originally posted by lilnutta12
none of them have a chance against TOAA

dreaming celestials good - i like his armour

exitars is the best armour though

Against The One Above All of Celestials? Not once has it mentioned that he is the strongest one. He is the leader for sure, but not definitely the strongest one. Given their specific tasks, I'd give the title of the most powerful Celestial to Exitar.

Originally posted by golem370
Three of the more powerful and popular Celestials battle it out who wins

TOAA>Exitar>Arishem

Originally posted by lilnutta12
none of them have a chance against TOAA

dreaming celestials good - i like his armour

exitars is the best armour though

Tiamut's armor is golden again

the horde is on its way

and tiamut will judge

toaa is rarely seen. exitar receives the code from arishem

Exitar was koed by Sue Storm

possibly...hearing strong rumors, exitar maybe among the celestials to return

Its not above the Celestials to trick people into confounding their goals or power-levels, there is the Beyonder incident when they faked a planet, and some others. In any case, I don't think that incident has been retconned.

during beyonder's reign, he embarassed a few celestials

he's been retconned, he ain't doin jack to a celestial now

celestials>cubes

Originally posted by guy222

during beyonder's reign, he embarassed a few celestials
A whole Planet full of them, stomped hand to hand.
Originally posted by guy222

he's been retconned, he ain't doin jack to a celestial now

celestials>cubes
I've been giving this thought, and I realized after some research,
that I'm not sure this applies to Beyonder anymore good friend.

That statement by Kubik concerning himself and Kosmos, was made in 1993.

Since then:

Beyonder has depicted some incredible feats,
when he battled MM reality withIN Realities across the Omniverse were warped.
He's proven to operate on a Multiversal scale,
and he's proven to be able to affect reality in a Multi-Universal fashion,
he's even become, it seems, essential to the Multiverse.

Even when he limited himself more recently withIN the "Maker"
he was still able to destroy the 616 Universe,
by contracting the "Crunch,"
that's big time.

This is why Thanos was afraid if the Beyonder's essence escaped the "Maker's" body,
Thanos said, what he re-called about the Beyonder was,
"unlimited power" ... he actually repeated that.


So, has Beyonder been powered up?

Definitely,
but is he above a Celestial?

I have no definite idea,
but Beyonder is a powerhouse nonetheless.

That he is. Marvel should be displaying his talents real soon

Tiamut will be featured in the Eternals run. Hopefully, some amazing feats

Even I, don't think the Celestials will kill him, prolly contain him again. He's just that badass

TOAA>Arishem>Exitar

Isn't TOAA more of a functional role than a statement of relative power?

most Celestials could be just left-brain orderly types, with TOAA being the grand organiser and planner - the one they elect to lead them, rather than the guy who scares the others into line, no?

TOAA is the leader. Rarely seen. He remained in the ship giving orders to the host

He warped time and space to show Thor, Odin and Zeus bowing before Arishem. He easily threw planets at Thanos who was in possession of the IG

We don't know his true potential. Based on feats, Arishem was goin to destroy the Earth. Exitar had the power to exterminate the entire Watcher race(over 10 billion)

Exitar receives the code from Arishem

TOAA

http://i117.imagethrust.com/t/894743/eternals1313.jpg

imo TOAA

Originally posted by Mr Master

Definitely,
but is he above a Celestial?

I have no definite idea,
but Beyonder is a powerhouse nonetheless.

There is a scan where two cube beings discuss about their power and the Celestials, they say they are not in their league.

http://i107.imagethrust.com/t/889659/fantasticfourannual2645st.jpg http://i111.imagethrust.com/t/889660/fantasticfourannual2646st.jpg http://i120.imagethrust.com/t/889661/fantasticfourannual2647st.jpg http://i110.imagethrust.com/t/889662/fantasticfourannual2648st.jpg http://i107.imagethrust.com/t/889663/fantasticfourannual2649st.jpg
http://i101.imagethrust.com/t/889686/fantasticfourannual2652st.jpg http://i118.imagethrust.com/t/889687/fantasticfourannual2653st.jpg http://i110.imagethrust.com/t/889688/fantasticfourannual2654st.jpg http://i109.imagethrust.com/t/889689/fantasticfourannual265051.jpg

The One Above ALL for the win.

Originally posted by Bentley

There is a scan where two cube beings discuss about their power and the Celestials,

they say they are not in their league.
I know Bent, that's why I addressed that specific incident in my post:
Originally posted by Mr Master

I've been giving this thought, and I realized after some research,
that I'm not sure this applies to Beyonder anymore good friend.

That statement by Kubik concerning himself and Kosmos, was made in 1993.


Since then: (1994 - 2007)


Beyonder has depicted some incredible feats,
when he battled MM reality withIN Realities across the Omniverse were warped.
He's proven to operate on a Multiversal scale,
and he's proven to be able to affect reality in a Multi-Universal fashion,
he's even become, it seems, essential to the Multiverse.

Even when he limited himself more recently withIN the "Maker"
he was still able to destroy the 616 Universe,
by contracting the "Crunch,"
that's big time.

This is why Thanos was afraid if the Beyonder's essence escaped the "Maker's" body,
Thanos said, what he re-called about the Beyonder was,
"unlimited power" ... he actually repeated that.



So, has Beyonder been powered up?

Definitely,
but is he above a Celestial?

I have no definite idea,
but Beyonder is a powerhouse nonetheless.
The 1993 conversation between Kubik and Kosmos may have been retconned

Does it concern both of them is the question, or just the Beyonder.
(I'm going to research this further)

Any official statement that would put the CCU beings above the Celestials, do they even place themselves above them?

But I have no idea on how to draw a line between the different incarnation of the Beyonder they seem to flucurate in power from my point of view...

Originally posted by guy222
possibly...hearing strong rumors, exitar maybe among the celestials to return 'bout time.. I haven't seen Exitar since Sue pwned his ass over a decade ago.

Originally posted by Mr Master
A whole Planet full of them, stomped hand to hand. The aftermath of Beyonder's battle only shows about 10 Celestials , that he beat h2h. Still an excellent feat, and I'm sure Beyonder could've wiped out their entire race - but in that particular instance, we only saw a handful of them beaten.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Any official statement that would put the CCU beings above the Celestials,
do they even place themselves above them?
Not that I know of.

It's just based on what Beyonder's accomplished since the 1993 conversation.

Although admittedly, for now, I haven't reached a definitive conclusion yet.
(I'm flipping pages as we speak)

Originally posted by Utrigita

But I have no idea on how to draw a line between the different incarnation of the Beyonder
they seem to flucurate in power from my point of view...
They certainly have.

1. Classic Beyonder = Supreme being
2. (Post-Retcon) a Half-Cube = embodiment of a Universe weaker than Eternity
3. (Full Cube) - Kosmos = Universal warper
4. (2nd-Retcon) - The Maker = Global warper - limited due to mortal form:
(withIN the Maker) Beyonder's essence - potential omnipotent/616 destroyer.

5. (3rd Retcon) Beyonder is back in Illuminati, (and he's not an Inhuman/Mutant btw)
he demonstrated a few pretty impressive feats, but nothing major,
we don't know yet where exactly he is right now on the scale,
but when he makes his next appearance in that arc coming soon,
we'll have definitive answers I'm hoping.

So the guy flucurate in power from being important to the multiverse and cause damage across the Omniverse to be below regular eternity...

That are some major jumps.

retcons will do that

beyonder should've some feats soon

still toaa>arishem>exitar

Originally posted by Galan007

The aftermath of Beyonder's battle only shows about 10 Celestials , that he beat h2h. Still an excellent feat, and I'm sure Beyonder could've wiped out their entire race - but in that particular instance, we only saw a handful of them beaten.


It's a fair assessment,
that could certainly be true, considering the artistic depiction,
so I can agree.

But it could also be,
that the artist just couldn't fit 100-1000 Celestials in one page,
those bad boys are supposed to be 2000 ft. each,
not a simple artistic vision to create on a comic book size page.
Beyonder would have to have been drawn very, very small,
and, I don't think it's even possible, at-least not if Beyonder stayed that size.

I'm not definitively saying there were more Celestials there,
but imo, there could've been more, many more,
for said reasons above, and for other reasons:

Like this:

I forgot it wasn't just a Planet, but a World made of PlanetS.

And it was the Head-Quarters of the Celestials:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1639/c1bg8.th.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3301/c2hp3.th.jpg

A Celestial Host has had up to 7 Celestials (maybe more)
imo, I'd believe that their "Head-Quarters" would have many more Celestials,
then again, maybe not, like I said, I'm speaking in absolutes here.



But on the artist's interpretation being compressed by space in a comic book page,
look at this example.

Like this scan G, a Universe full of Celestials, yet all we see are Seven Celestials:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/499/c5ao7.th.jpg

This is obviously because the artist can't draw millions or billions of Celestials, on panel.


This is another one concerning the Celestials, the Entire Race of Celestials:

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5656/c3qh6.th.jpg

Now the artist is doing his best to give us a reference of what that would look like,
but look at how small he has to draw them
in order for us to get an idea of what the Entire Race of Celestials would look like.

Also notice the page is nearly filled up with less than 15 other drawings there.

................................................................................................

There's nothing definitive here,
but I'm just saying,
there's a comprehensive reasoning concerning lack of artistic representation of numbers on panel,

imo.

Originally posted by Utrigita

So the guy flucurate in power from being important to the multiverse
and cause damage across the Omniverse
to be below regular eternity...
He's below Eternity (Multiverse)
not Eternity's aspects (single Universes)
but if the Maker was really able to reverse the "Crunch"
man ... I just don't really know then.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He's below Eternity (Multiverse)
not Eternity's aspects (single Universes)
but if the Maker was really able to reverse the "Crunch"
man ... I just don't really know then.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but are you saying that Eternity's aspects is below the average Celestial?

Didn't surfer manipulate the Crunch?

Originally posted by Utrigita

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you
but are you saying that Eternity's aspects is below the average Celestial?
I said Beyonder is above Aspects of Eternity.
Every alternate Eternity (aspect) is above the alternate Celestials that reside withIN him.

616 Eternity is above the 616 Celestials.

This is why it's possible, that Beyonder being below Celestials was retconned.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Didn't surfer manipulate the Crunch?
As a momentary offensive weapon, sure, (with a stipulation I might add)
but still, Surfer could never dream of contracting the Crunch's expansion.

So let me get this straight

616 eternity>616 Celestials>Beyonder>Aspect Eternity>alternate Celestials?

Is that correctly understood when put together with you above post?

What puzzles me however is that the Celestials appear to be more ore less the same when they appear on the different planes of reality, The scan from Nova with the Celestial head that leads to everywhere, and Thor entry into Exitar.

Maybe not.

hey mr. master, i was in the belief that the celestials served the real eternity and like him can get M-bodies for each of their race in any and all universes, becasue (not sure which issue) it has been stated that celestials can be in multiple places simultaneously.

like i said before, arishem the judge has to judge over millions of planets at the same time.

it takes upwards to a millennium to judge a planet and in one universe there are millions of planets under his jurisdiction most likely needing judgment durring overlapping time periods.

TOAA doesnt need to "fight", he simply wills it.

doesn't work that way, seems like celestials like humanity actually have a system for dealing with each other, killing is still killing even for them.

hmm, I was talking abt TOAA (Not the Celestial one).

then you are in the wrong thread.

^ oh right...Doh'

Yer if we were talking abt TOAA, there wouldnt even be a debate.

Originally posted by Utrigita

So let me get this straight

616 eternity>616 Celestials>Beyonder>Aspect Eternity>alternate Celestials?

Is that correctly understood when put together with you above post?
I don't know if 616 Celestials are still above Beyonder.

Celestials range in power btw,
so it may concern only some of them.

Feat wise?

Beyonder's done more,
but that means little to me when it concerns the Celestials or Galactus,
because neither of them (due to character purpose)
is going to destroy realities, or re-arrange them without a dire reason,
which seldom if ever is the case.

In fact,
it's in the interest of the Celestials and Galactus for Reality to endure in balanced consonance.

Originally posted by Utrigita

What puzzles me however is that the Celestials appear to be more ore less the same when they appear on the different planes of reality, The scan from Nova with the Celestial head that leads to everywhere
That Celestial head was special though,
it was at the brink of the ends of everything,
so it wasn't part of any normal reality.

Originally posted by Utrigita

and Thor entry into Exitar.
That was 616.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

hey mr. master, i was in the belief that the celestials served the real eternity and like him can get M-bodies for each of their race in any and all universes, becasue (not sure which issue) it has been stated that celestials can be in multiple places simultaneously.

like i said before,
arishem the judge has to judge over millions of planets at the same time.

it takes upwards to a millennium to judge a planet and in one universe there are millions of planets under his jurisdiction most likely needing judgment durring overlapping time periods.
It's true, the Celestials are partially omnipresent,
but withIN the same Universe though.

In other words,
Arishem was judging two planets withIN the same Universal continuum.

There's no proof that Celestials' omnipresence in one universe ranges across separate realities.

TOAA
Exitar
Arishem

Head hurts now.

Originally posted by guy222
TOAA
Exitar
Arishem

Exitar the most powerful of the Celetails, it was stated in one of Thor's comics. You being the leader doesn't make you the most powerful, like Captain America, cyclops, Night wing, etc.

None of us know TOAA's true power level. He has only been seen a few times

Originally posted by guy222
None of us know TOAA's true power level. He has only been seen a few times

True that, but Exitar has been stated being the most powerful Celestail.

Originally posted by the Darkone
True that, but Exitar has been stated being the most powerful Celestail.

False, it was stated that Exitar was more powerful than the 4th host combined.

TOAA Celestial remained on the ship.