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Well another junk just came starring the hairy, smelly Wolverine. I used to like this guy a lot. But not the Namor fight is just ridiculous. I also hate the drawing...I think this Guggenheim guy should give up writing comics...

What happened? I don't dare to pick it up

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After reading this issue I "wiki" Damage Control and a couple of names stood out. Among them, Tony Stark. Hmmmm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_Control_%28comics%29

I'll have the full comic posted by tomorrow if anyones interested......

i know someone out there must be.

I'm interested. Thanx Black Adam. And for the record I used to love Wolverine, not lately though. I'm sticking around till I see the explanation for how he's been doing the things he's been doing. Btw, why didn't Namor just knock him out to start with?

anyone want me to post the whole comic?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
anyone want me to post the whole comic? Please.

That has got to be some of the worst art I have seen in years, and the writting seemed really lazy.

In fact the only thing that didn't suck ass about those scans was the fact that Namor won in the end, at least that was right.

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Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
That has got to be some of the worst art I have seen in years, and the writting seemed really lazy.

In fact the only thing that didn't suck ass about those scans was the fact that Namor won in the end, at least that was right.

Humberto Ramos has gotten pretty lazy with his art since he went back to Marvel. I was never a big fan but some of his other stuff was pretty good.

why does namor look skinny?

thats a stupid remark .. what do you mean skinny ?... he is built as usual.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
After reading this issue I "wiki" Damage Control and a couple of names stood out. Among them, Tony Stark. Hmmmm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_Control_%28comics%29

This better not turn into some great conspiracy. That would suck ass.

The reason Civil War is as good as it is is because of how it started: innocently. People are standing up for what they believe in; nobody is right, nobody is wrong.

That's why Civil War is working. If this turns into some great, mass plan with some mastermind behind it (especially Tony Stark), I will sue Marvel.

Honestly, I think the writer really needs to learn what Bad Writing is.

Better yet he needs to come to the KMC boards and learn what PIS is

Originally posted by Grimm22
Honestly, I think the writer really needs to learn what Bad Writing is.

Better yet he needs to come to the KMC boards and learn what PIS is If your going to write for Wolverine, why check a site where most people underrate him.

i had a small hunch that the stories following the end of CW would be some sort of conspiracy, but im baffled as all hell tho. cuz we have both this revelation and the fact that the grandmaster is on the horizon with something sinister up his sleeve. Marvel seems to be keeping them selves quite busy.. i hope that thier quest to out so IC, and 52 dont cuase them to Pull the same bullshit stunts they used to in the 80s when it came to the elders of the universe and cosmic beings as a whole.. meaning that somebody doesnt go back in time and stop nitro from blowing up...or it turns out that this was all in some kid's imagination

Originally posted by ankur29
why does namor look skinny?


Because black is slimming silly person.

ye thats funny..... everytime wolverine show his skills its a PIS,dont you think that in that case there are too many PIS?wolverine started his way by fighting hulk and wendigo and hurting them who decided that he cant go toe to toe with the heavy hiters?wolverine is not just strength its skills , you always judje wolverine by his strength ,forget about it the guy got skills and can take many powerhouses like the 3 times he took out thing .... oh ye it was PIS right? 3 different times a PIS but only when someone beat him thats good, well you know what? i say its PIS when someone like daredevil beat him now thats PIS

well cause he was created to only be a street-level character. His healing factor was never supposed to make him impervious to pain. It never was supposed to protect him from nukes or disintegration. thats why it PIS

what??? created as a level character? his first fight was against hulk and wendigo and he cutted them and made them hurt, a street leveler???

there are milion issues that shows wolverines healing factor and they are all PIS?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
what??? created as a level character? his first fight was against hulk and wendigo and he cutted them and made them hurt, a street leveler??? wolverine punching namor and hurting him is BS.

I hate Logan fanboys, theyre complete idiots.

ey ey... u gottaa agree with the wolvertooth on this one.. he does have a good point.. think of the amount of times he has shown his abilities,, skills.. marvel does have bad writes but saying that they are all PIS.?.. thats just a plain case of wolverine haters.. sorry had to say that... i bet you S.G... that the only reason for you to hate wolverine is probably he has either beaten of the characters u like in marvel. .or can beat them . ok but i do see where you are comming from saying some fanboys are idiots..i agree.. but you dont hav 2 be a hater.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
If your going to write for Wolverine, why check a site where most people underrate him. Actually he is very overated by the fanboys. Very.

Originally posted by dashabz
ey ey... u gottaa agree with the wolvertooth on this one.. he does have a good point.. think of the amount of times he has shown his abilities,, skills.. marvel does have bad writes but saying that they are all PIS.?.. thats just a plain case of wolverine haters.. sorry had to say that... i bet you S.G... that the only reason for you to hate wolverine is probably he has either beaten of the characters u like in marvel. .or can beat them . ok but i do see where you are comming from saying some fanboys are idiots..i agree.. but you dont hav 2 be a hater. Actually I'm not a big fan of Marvel so I dont have favourites there, I hate him because idiots think he can beat Hercules, Hulk, Namor or Thing. Ill tell you now, you are complete idiots if you think that because its all bull.

Originally posted by S.G
Actually I'm not a big fan of Marvel so I dont have favourites there, I hate him because idiots think he can beat Hercules, Hulk, Namor or Thing. Ill tell you now, you are complete idiots if you think that because its all bull.
Of course he can didn't you know that?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
ye thats funny..... everytime wolverine show his skills its a PIS,dont you think that in that case there are too many PIS?wolverine started his way by fighting hulk and wendigo and hurting them who decided that he cant go toe to toe with the heavy hiters?wolverine is not just strength its skills , you always judje wolverine by his strength ,forget about it the guy got skills and can take many powerhouses like the 3 times he took out thing .... oh ye it was PIS right? 3 different times a PIS but only when someone beat him thats good, well you know what? i say its PIS when someone like daredevil beat him now thats PIS

But didn't the Hulk take him out with a glancing blow in the ish? Doesn't really scream heavy hitter

Originally posted by S.G
Actually I'm not a big fan of Marvel so I dont have favourites there, I hate him because idiots think he can beat Hercules, Hulk, Namor or Thing. Ill tell you now, you are complete idiots if you think that because its all bull.

Well, technically he and Hercules once had a huge bar fight, that ended in a draw, he's also beaten Thing on more than one occasion, and while he can't beat the Hulk, he can stand up to him. As for Namor, there's no reason he can't compete.

Originally posted by marvelprince
But didn't the Hulk take him out with a glancing blow in the ish? Doesn't really scream heavy hitter skewed.. it was a glancing blow.. AFTER he slammed wolverine to the ground with "earth shattering" force and after wolverine had just woken up from being KOed from fumes strong enough to put hulk down in the first place.. by all rights wolverine was still groggy.. and by all rights it WAS a cheap shot.. people are easier to Ko when they get hit with something they never see coming...

Originally posted by Ize19
Well, technically he and Hercules once had a huge bar fight, that ended in a draw, he's also beaten Thing on more than one occasion, and while he can't beat the Hulk, he can stand up to him. As for Namor, there's no reason he can't compete.

well.. actually there are numerous reasons wolverine SHOULDN'T be able to compete...

if namor flew into the air wolverine can't get to him.. if namor drops a building on wolverine, he wins.. if namor uses the powers of the eel, he can electricute wolverine into unconciousness (eventually)...if namor throws boulders at wolverine, wolverine can't do anything but be bludgened..if namor starts flying around wolverine fast enough he can suck wolvie into a whirlwind.....

but in h2h you're right.. there's no reason wolverine couldn't compete with him.. and the only people that want to argue against that are either namor fanboys or wolvie haters plain and simple.

So...when has he actually competed against a Class 100 who wasn't weakened or wasn't holding back? Hulk? Every time he has had a chance he has been fighting against a weak-ass incarnation. Wonder Man---oh wait, nevermind. Hercules? Off-panel fight with no proof how Hercules fought, in a storyline that was written ridicolously anyway. Namor? He spends his time trying to talk to him peacefully or keep him away...

When has he survived an all-out Class 100 attack from someone who is in his prime? I mean ALL OUT, not any "Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" bullshit, or "ARGH! It takes Hulk fifteen minutes to heal a minor wound" crap. Because from what I have seen, Class 100's usually fight like Class 20's against Logan.

Originally posted by marvelprince
But didn't the Hulk take him out with a glancing blow in the ish? Doesn't really scream heavy hitter Yep I got the comic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...when has he actually competed against a Class 100 who wasn't weakened or wasn't holding back? Hulk? Every time he has had a chance he has been fighting against a weak-ass incarnation. Wonder Man---oh wait, nevermind. Hercules? Off-panel fight with no proof how Hercules fought, in a storyline that was written ridicolously anyway. Namor? He spends his time trying to talk to him peacefully or keep him away...

When has he survived an all-out Class 100 attack from someone who is in his prime? I mean ALL OUT, not any "Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" bullshit, or "ARGH! It takes Hulk fifteen minutes to heal a minor wound" crap. Because from what I have seen, Class 100's usually fight like Class 20's against Logan.

Personal I think there are more Wolverine haters then Fans, every time I come on these type of sites I see of more how people hate Him and love to see him lose than to love him see him actually win. And by the way it makes since that he could hang with heavy hitters because its how he started and did pretty well. so forget that PIS stuff. It was stated back then that one writer created Wolverine with strength and speed that was similar to Spider-Man (Dave Cockrum). but over the years I guess writers wrote him there own way

Originally posted by ankur29
why does namor look skinny?



Mayhaps it's because Logan's arms are drawn ridiculously huge?

Originally posted by LOA:Wolverine
Personal I think there are more Wolverine haters then Fans, every time I come on these type of sites I see of more how people hate Him and love to see him lose than to love him see him actually win. And by the way it makes since that he could hang with heavy hitters because its how he started and did pretty well. so forget that PIS stuff. It was stated back then that one writer created Wolverine with strength and speed that was similar to Spider-Man (Dave Cockrum). but over the years I guess writers wrote him there own way

Yeah, he hanged with heavy hitters on his first appearences, until they actually HIT him.

And you are right that there is more Wolverine haters then fans. I guess it's some kind of way for new members to get part with the majority. Personally I think it's stupid to hate the character...I don't hate Wolverine, he is one of my top 5 favorite X-Men...I just hate that every other character is dumbed down so he could have chance against them...

Originally posted by H. S. 6
This better not turn into some great conspiracy. That would suck ass.

The reason Civil War is as good as it is is because of how it started: innocently. People are standing up for what they believe in; nobody is right, nobody is wrong.

That's why Civil War is working. If this turns into some great, mass plan with some mastermind behind it (especially Tony Stark), I will sue Marvel.

Of course there would be some kind of conspiracy behind it. I can bet the government was waiting for an excuse to get heroes on their team.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, he hanged with heavy hitters on his first appearences, until they actually HIT him.

And you are right that there is more Wolverine haters then fans. I guess it's some kind of way for new members to get part with the majority. Personally I think it's stupid to hate the character...I don't hate Wolverine, he is one of my top 5 favorite X-Men...I just hate that every other character is dumbed down so he could have chance against them...

Originally posted by Tron
Of course there would be some kind of conspiracy behind it. I can bet the government was waiting for an excuse to get heroes on their team.

But looking for an excuse, I'd understand.

Having some kind of "grand scheme" and purposely killing those kids: Hell no. That would be completely and utterly stupid.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...when has he actually competed against a Class 100 who wasn't weakened or wasn't holding back? how about since the start of his career?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hulk? Every time he has had a chance he has been fighting against a weak-ass incarnation. BAH!!!! I love how you simply fabricated that hulk is weakened to say that wolverine could compete with him and now you're upholding that like it's what actually happened..

no.. all that was was speculation..

all you've shown is speculation

all you have is SPEC-U-LATION.

hulk was weakened because he bled? uhhh sorry no.. he just has a very inconsistent history much like any other comic book character...

in spite of all his durability feats I've seen cap hurt him with pressure points, kick the wind out of him (so did batman), make him cry out in pain with a shield hit, spiderman staggered an ultra hulk with a kick, he's been staggered by boulders falling on top of his head, he's been knocked out by iron fist.. NONW Of those were depowered versions.. just inconsitent...

even then.. assuming hulk DID have less durability than usual.. this does not mean he was weaker....

look grey hulk has lifted a bowing jet.. they are in excess of 160 tons fully loaded.. he's obviously a class 100 character when he gets pissed.

the hulk in 145 lifted a damned redwood BEHIND HIS HEAD.. I can tell you right now almost everyone on my combat team can bench 3 to 4 times what they can lift behind their head and redwoods generally come in at a weight of 2500 metric tons.... that hulk was OBVIOUSLY a class 100 character....

not to mention the fact that the only thing that saves hulk from logan is his healing factor.. hell even in the two fights hulk's knocked logan out BOTH were after logan's healing factor had already been taxed....

and in BOTH fights wolverine scored multiple hits that would be harmful or even fatal for any other brick save hulk....


Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wonder Man---oh wait, nevermind. OH WAIT is right... it wasn't a fight and it does more to hurt your argument than help it....
all wonder man did was bash away at logan AFTER attackig him from behind... AFTER logan was already fighting someone ELSE.... and did wonderman knock logan out? no
did he keep logan down? no
could logan have ended the fight wtih one snikt of his claws? yes...
was logan still standing and confident that he could have done just that by the end of that display? yes....



Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hercules? Off-panel fight with no proof how Hercules fought, most likely like he's fought every other time wolverine's whipped his claws out on herc... "zounds" and then proceeds a hastey retreat.... still though wolverine beat him in a 1on1 and that's what's important here.


Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor? He spends his time trying to talk to him peacefully or keep him away... namor's not even guaranteed to be class 100 when he's out of the water and secondly, you better believe he's trying to keep logan away you've seen what happens every time.. yes.. EVERY time they've gotten into it up close.. namor gets gutted.
it's not like namor was "talking peacefully" when he put his gaurd up, or got in logan's way in the first place durinag that encounter.. he still got cut up.
he wasn't taling peacefully when he came out swinging in civil war or their older confrontation in the sub marinor comic....



Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When has he survived an all-out Class 100 attack from someone who is in his prime? I mean ALL OUT, not any "Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" bullshit, or "ARGH! It takes Hulk fifteen minutes to heal a minor wound" crap. Because from what I have seen, Class 100's usually fight like Class 20's against Logan. no that's what you've WANT to believe about logan, not what you've seen....

let's face it here
wonderman had a killing intent.. he couldn't put logan down
hulk WHO PROVED himself to be WELL OVER class 100 tried to "smash little man"..he couldn't put logan down
maivous-wendigo, a character who trumped alpha flight and was created to compete with the gods of the wilderness went all out on wolverine after wolverine was in a 3 way battle with wendigo already... he COULDN'T PUT LOGAN DOWN
sasquatch was mind controlled in a feral mode and went at logan with a berserker rage.... he got nothing out of logan but smart ass comments "hiya walt"
mind controlled collosus hit logan with a full on punch and logan didn't even acknowledge it happened.. this feat was repeated in a training practice, and again when wolverine was murauding around as death
grey hulk went all out on wolverine grey hulk ONLY STARTS OUT as a class 80, when angry his strength skyrockets... he couldn't put logan down.
tigershark attacked wolverine both in AND OUT of water.. neither attack was suffiecient to put logan down.
wendigo has attacked logan on multiple occasions.. he's only EVER been able to take logan out using repeated attacks and usually not until after logan's already KOed wendigo at least once or twice.
then of course there's abomination who logan curbstomped unconcious without even being touched.


for god sakes they ought to call logan the anti-brick. he's proven he can hang just fine. doesn't matter how much rationalizing or bitching or SPECULATING you do about it DC wolvie's proven you wrong too many times to ignore.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, he hanged with heavy hitters on his first appearences, until they actually HIT him.
uhh no... hulk slammed wolverie down with earth shattering force and all it did was bounce wolvie right back off the ground and into the fight with hulk. and that was after his healing factor got hit with a gas that was strong enough to knock hulk out and keep him KOed for quite some time.. wolverine was more than likely still woozy.. even if not.. hulk had to hit him with 2 cheap shots to KO the guy... people are always harder to KO when it's not from behind....

also we have to consider that logan has gotten stronger over the years.. this isn't just something gathered on panal but proven and stated IN PRINT.

Originally posted by jinzin
how about since the start of his career?

Okay. Show me when he has COMPETED with an all-out Class 100 character that was all out. Not getting the shit beat out of him and staying concious, but to COMPETE with them.

Originally posted by jinzin
BAH!!!! I love how you simply fabricated that hulk is weakened to say that wolverine could compete with him and now you're upholding that like it's what actually happened..

no.. all that was was speculation..

all you've shown is speculation

all you have is SPEC-U-LATION.

hulk was weakened because he bled? uhhh sorry no.. he just has a very inconsistent history much like any other comic book character...

in spite of all his durability feats I've seen cap hurt him with pressure points, kick the wind out of him (so did batman), make him cry out in pain with a shield hit, spiderman staggered an ultra hulk with a kick, he's been staggered by boulders falling on top of his head, he's been knocked out by iron fist.. NONW Of those were depowered versions.. just inconsitent...

even then.. assuming hulk DID have less durability than usual.. this does not mean he was weaker....

look grey hulk has lifted a bowing jet.. they are in excess of 160 tons fully loaded.. he's obviously a class 100 character when he gets pissed.

the hulk in 145 lifted a damned redwood BEHIND HIS HEAD.. I can tell you right now almost everyone on my combat team can bench 3 to 4 times what they can lift behind their head and redwoods generally come in at a weight of 2500 metric tons.... that hulk was OBVIOUSLY a class 100 character....

not to mention the fact that the only thing that saves hulk from logan is his healing factor.. hell even in the two fights hulk's knocked logan out BOTH were after logan's healing factor had already been taxed....

and in BOTH fights wolverine scored multiple hits that would be harmful or even fatal for any other brick save hulk....

Did I say that he was weakened just for the reason that Wolverine could fight him? No. I just said that he is fighting an weak-ass incarnation. Which he was. Most other Hulk incarnations heal from near-vaporization from fifteen seconds, this took more then fifteen minutes to heal his eyes. Most Hulk incarnations take Class 100 shots and Mjolnir straight to face with no harm at all, this one was majorly hurt and bled from a headbutt from Wolverine.

Laugh all you want, maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the FACT (F-A-C-T) that the Hulk Wolverine fought was weaker then most other Hulk incarnations.

Still haven't realized that POST-Heroes Reborn Hulk is weaker then most other incarnations? Have you even read any Hulk comics after HR?

Man, all that rant wasted for nothing.

Originally posted by jinzin
OH WAIT is right... it wasn't a fight and it does more to hurt your argument than help it....
all wonder man did was bash away at logan AFTER attackig him from behind... AFTER logan was already fighting someone ELSE.... and did wonderman knock logan out? no
did he keep logan down? no
could logan have ended the fight wtih one snikt of his claws? yes...
was logan still standing and confident that he could have done just that by the end of that display? yes....

Standing and confident indeed.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4520/scun2.gif

Maybe from the point of view of a mentally retarded paraplegic...

Originally posted by jinzin
most likely like he's fought every other time wolverine's whipped his claws out on herc... "zounds" and then proceeds a hastey retreat.... still though wolverine beat him in a 1on1 and that's what's important here.

Yeah, because he's totally gone all out in the other fights.

Hercules, like about every other heroic Marvel brick, holds back when fighting weaker opponents. You think he is fighting full power in a bar fight? When Hercules was going all out on Thor, they generated enough pressure to nearly knock a planet out of it.

Originally posted by jinzin
namor's not even guaranteed to be class 100 when he's out of the water and secondly, you better believe he's trying to keep logan away you've seen what happens every time.. yes.. EVERY time they've gotten into it up close.. namor gets gutted.
it's not like namor was "talking peacefully" when he put his gaurd up, or got in logan's way in the first place durinag that encounter.. he still got cut up.
he wasn't taling peacefully when he came out swinging in civil war or their older confrontation in the sub marinor comic....

Unless he is dehydrated, he is Class 100. It's not being in water that makes him Class 100, it's being hydrated.

And I am still talking about all-out fighting. The type of fighting he does against OTHER characters. You know, when he actually uses all his strength and the little thing called d-o-d-g-i-n-g.

You don't see him wait for Hulk to put his shirt on, or hover peacefully above Thor, do you?

Originally posted by jinzin
no that's what you've WANT to believe about logan, not what you've seen....

No, not really.

Originally posted by jinzin
let's face it here
wonderman had a killing intent.. he couldn't put logan down

Yeah, Wolverine was totally unharmed...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4520/scun2.gif

Originally posted by jinzin
hulk WHO PROVED himself to be WELL OVER class 100 tried to "smash little man"..he couldn't put logan down

You know why? 10 second pauses between every hit.

We both know how fast Logan's healing factor works. Only reason why he can even hang with Hulk is the HUGE pauses Hulk has when he fights Wolverine.

Not to mention that Wolverine had the protective full armor of Death which enabled him to walk through Jean Grey's ground-shattering telekinetic assault and Cyclops' full blast etc...

Originally posted by jinzin
maivous-wendigo, a character who trumped alpha flight and was created to compete with the gods of the wilderness went all out on wolverine after wolverine was in a 3 way battle with wendigo already... he COULDN'T PUT LOGAN DOWN

'cause Wolverine was not nearly finished in the end or anything...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7448/hr21iv4.jpg

If Alpha Flight would not have intervened, Logan would be dead.

Originally posted by jinzin
sasquatch was mind controlled in a feral mode and went at logan with a berserker rage.... he got nothing out of logan but smart ass comments "hiya walt"

Because he stopped beating him.

Originally posted by jinzin
mind controlled collosus hit logan with a full on punch and logan didn't even acknowledge it happened.. this feat was repeated in a training practice, and again when wolverine was murauding around as death

Haven't seen any of these either, and Death had armor.

Originally posted by jinzin
grey hulk went all out on wolverine grey hulk ONLY STARTS OUT as a class 80, when angry his strength skyrockets... he couldn't put logan down.

Grey Hulk is still weaker then other Hulk incarnations. And you know how many punches he even landed? Four. That's all. Plenty of time for Logan to heal between them. And hell, his punches sucked ass anyway. When Wolverine dodged them, he barely made effect on the ground below them.

Grey Hulk is not nearly as powerful as Savage or Mindless. Hence, like I have said before, 99% of the Hulk feats are done by Savage and Mindless.

Originally posted by jinzin
tigershark attacked wolverine both in AND OUT of water.. neither attack was suffiecient to put logan down.

Tiger Shark isn't that impressive anyway. Namor's beaten him in three panels when he took it seriously. And beat him and Attuma on the same time while weakened.

Originally posted by jinzin
wendigo has attacked logan on multiple occasions.. he's only EVER been able to take logan out using repeated attacks and usually not until after logan's already KOed wendigo at least once or twice.

Never seen any of their fights, so can't really comment on that.

Originally posted by jinzin
then of course there's abomination who logan curbstomped unconcious without even being touched.

Abomination is a ***** these days anyway. Mortal Hercules one shotted him, and Cap took him out with a shield throw.

Originally posted by jinzin
for god sakes they ought to call logan the anti-brick. he's proven he can hang just fine. doesn't matter how much rationalizing or bitching or SPECULATING you do about it DC wolvie's proven you wrong too many times to ignore.

Yeah, he can hang when they are not fighting like they do most of the time.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Okay. Show me when he has COMPETED with an all-out Class 100 character that was all out. Not getting the shit beat out of him and staying concious, but to COMPETE with them.
plenty of the examples I gave you were just fine for that... KOing abomination, causing hulk to start reeling, tigershark, wendigo... it's like you're not even paying attention here...


Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Did I say that he was weakened just for the reason that Wolverine could fight him? No. I just said that he is fighting an weak-ass incarnation. Which he was. Most other Hulk incarnations heal from near-vaporization from fifteen seconds, this took more then fifteen minutes to heal his eyes. Most Hulk incarnations take Class 100 shots and Mjolnir straight to face with no harm at all, this one was majorly hurt and bled from a headbutt from Wolverine. fair enough but does that mean that this hulk wasn't far above class 100? no.. was he far above class 100? yes... did it matter? no.... if anything all you can show there is what happens to a hulk that doesn't have as great a healing factor.... that's all you can show.. and all that means is bad stuff for every brick without a healing factor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Laugh all you want, maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the FACT (F-A-C-T) that the Hulk Wolverine fought was weaker then most other Hulk incarnations. not a fact: speculation....
you can't call speculation fact.. he MAY have been less endurable in terms of his healing but his strength was still up to par just fine.. he was still WELL over class 100 which is what you were asking for in the first palce...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Still haven't realized that POST-Heroes Reborn Hulk is weaker then most other incarnations? Have you even read any Hulk comics after HR? yes... and again.. you like to keep talking about him like he's a consistent character.. he's not...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Man, all that rant wasted for nothing. because you discard what you don't like.. as usual.



Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Standing and confident indeed.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4520/scun2.gif

Maybe from the point of view of a mentally retarded paraplegic... or not from the perspective of an crosseyed-inbred who hasn't read the next page..



Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, because he's totally gone all out in the other fights. you can't determine he wasn't in c of c.


Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hercules, like about every other heroic Marvel brick, holds back when fighting weaker opponents. again not paying attention... almost no one holds back on wolverine.. for good reason.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You think he is fighting full power in a bar fight?

nope you think wolvie was using his full skill?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Unless he is dehydrated, he is Class 100. It's not being in water that makes him Class 100, it's being hydrated.
And I am still talking about all-out fighting. The type of fighting he does against OTHER characters. You know, when he actually uses all his strength and the little thing called d-o-d-g-i-n-g. hard to dodge someone faster and better than you... and hydration is that why he could barely lift an anchor out of water?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You don't see him wait for Hulk to put his shirt on, or hover peacefully above Thor, do you? civil wars complicated.. the hovering; again he wasn't hovering when wolverine hit him so why act like that's what he was doing? oh that's right because you actually acknowledge that he started fighting wolverine first you'd have to admit that wolverine got his hit in anyways.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, not really. yes

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, Wolverine was totally unharmed...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4520/scun2.gif didn't say unharmed i said he wasn't put down and he wasn't.


Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You know why? 10 second pauses between every hit. speculation... wolverine's organs turning to jelly and reforming before the next hit isn't though.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We both know how fast Logan's healing factor works. Only reason why he can even hang with Hulk is the HUGE pauses Hulk has when he fights Wolverine. wrong.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not to mention that Wolverine had the protective full armor of Death which enabled him to walk through Jean Grey's ground-shattering telekinetic assault and Cyclops' full blast etc...
for one that armor had physonic defenses.... hence his no selling jean.
two.. he's already walked through cyc's blast without the armor.
three.. that armor didn't fair him to well against cable or angel...
four what exactly do you think that armor did for him against a redwood?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
cause Wolverine was not nearly finished in the end or anything...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7448/hr21iv4.jpg

If Alpha Flight would not have intervened, Logan would be dead.
didn't say that.. said he wasn't put down... and he wasn't... hence why he ends up sending that hybrid into a vortex in the next issue....



Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because he stopped beating him. he took a full on assualt from a class 100 which is what you've asked for.. you never said their had to be a time limit or a punch count... it's not like he's gonna LET namor hit him all day here.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Grey Hulk is still weaker then other Hulk incarnations. And you know how many punches he even landed? Four. That's all. Plenty of time for Logan to heal between them. And hell, his punches sucked ass anyway. When Wolverine dodged them, he barely made effect on the ground below them. . still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Tiger Shark isn't that impressive anyway. Namor's beaten him in three panels when he took it seriously. And beat him and Attuma on the same time while weakened.. still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Never seen any of their fights, so can't really comment on that... still class 100: you know, what you asked for...


Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Abomination is a ***** these days anyway. Mortal Hercules one shotted him, and Cap took him out with a shield throw. still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

FCUK WOLVERINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
plenty of the examples I gave you were just fine for that... KOing abomination, causing hulk to start reeling, tigershark, wendigo... it's like you're not even paying attention here...

Commenting on those later...

Originally posted by jinzin
fair enough but does that mean that this hulk wasn't far above class 100? no.. was he far above class 100? yes... did it matter? no.... if anything all you can show there is what happens to a hulk that doesn't have as great a healing factor.... that's all you can show.. and all that means is bad stuff for every brick without a healing factor.

Far above Class 100? Not really, no. That tree was 500 tons at best. General Sherman, the largest redwood ever is 2100 tons, and that tree is nothing compared to it. Hell, Hulk wasn't even that small compared to it. Here is a scale picture for you.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Sequoia.car.arp.750pix.jpg

Namor, for example, has done more damage to ground while weakened...Wonder Man has done stuff that makes that seem laughable, Thing has caused earthquakes to entire Baxter Building by doing nothing else then stamp his foot...

That's very low class 100 feat at best.

Originally posted by jinzin
not a fact: speculation....
you can't call speculation fact.. he MAY have been less endurable in terms of his healing but his strength was still up to par just fine.. he was still WELL over class 100 which is what you were asking for in the first palce...

May have been less endurable in his healing...?

WELL over Class 100?

Not really.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes... and again.. you like to keep talking about him like he's a consistent character.. he's not...

His incarnations are.

Originally posted by jinzin
because you discard what you don't like.. as usual.

Hey, at least I am not forgetting 99% of history of characters other then Wolverine, eh?

Originally posted by jinzin
or not from the perspective of an crosseyed-inbred who hasn't read the next page..

Next page doesn't really matter. Wolverine had no defense against that stone Wonder Man was going to smash him with.



Originally posted by jinzin
you can't determine he wasn't in c of c.

And you can't determine that he was...so that leads us to nowhere...

Originally posted by jinzin
again not paying attention... almost no one holds back on wolverine.. for good reason.

Every hero he fights against does...for a good reason...



Originally posted by jinzin
nope you think wolvie was using his full skill?

And what does that have do to with anything?

Originally posted by jinzin
hard to dodge someone faster and better than you... and hydration is that why he could barely lift an anchor out of water?

He's not faster OR better...

And good old Jinzin...always focusing on one example and forgetting all the rest...Namor's done plenty of Class 100 feats outside water.

Maybe I should focuse on Wolverine's low showings too?

Originally posted by jinzin
civil wars complicated.. the hovering; again he wasn't hovering when wolverine hit him so why act like that's what he was doing? oh that's right because you actually acknowledge that he started fighting wolverine first you'd have to admit that wolverine got his hit in anyways.

Yet, he wasn't pressing attacks when Wolverine was at his weakest (on both Civil War and New Invaders fights...) so he was holding back. So, Wolverine got his hits on Namor who was holding back and not even attempting to dodge, even though he had plenty of time in both fights to do so...

Originally posted by jinzin
yes




Originally posted by jinzin
didn't say unharmed i said he wasn't put down and he wasn't.

But he would have been...


Originally posted by jinzin
speculation... wolverine's organs turning to jelly and reforming before the next hit isn't though.

He was losing conciousness on Wolverine #145...only Hulk's momentum allowed him to stab him in last ditch effort...

Originally posted by jinzin
wrong.

Correct...after Hulk started raining continous blows, Wolverine was losing conciousness...read the comic.

Originally posted by jinzin
for one that armor had physonic defenses.... hence his no selling jean.

Psychic defenses don't help you against hard telekinetic energy hitting you...or the ground hitting you...

Originally posted by jinzin
two.. he's already walked through cyc's blast without the armor.

And he has failed to do it more times...and the blast deflected away from the armor...

Originally posted by jinzin
three.. that armor didn't fair him to well against cable or angel...

Huh? It is specifically said that his armor stopped Cables psimitar...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/DarknessBDJM/Apocalypse%202/xastonishingx-men-002-22.jpg

And he beat Angel's ass, what are you smoking?
Originally posted by jinzin
four what exactly do you think that armor did for him against a redwood?

Er...lessen the impact...?

Originally posted by jinzin
didn't say that.. said he wasn't put down... and he wasn't... hence why he ends up sending that hybrid into a vortex in the next issue....

Being unable to move and barely concious isn't really competing to me.

Originally posted by jinzin
he took a full on assualt from a class 100 which is what you've asked for.. you never said their had to be a time limit or a punch count... it's not like he's gonna LET namor hit him all day here.

Yeah, he can't help it if he doesn't have choice. Like you see from all examples where he is hit continually, he really can't do anything unless they STOP hitting him.

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...
And was he having a continuous, all-out assault...?

No. He only punched him three times when he got angry.

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

Tiger Shark isn't Class 100...

Both Namor and Hulk have one-shotted him...

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

When has Wendigo been proven as Class 100 anyway?

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

I think you missed something...current Abomination isn't Class 100.

When he started, he handily kicked Savage Hulk's ass in three panels.

Now, Mortal Hercules one-shots him. So does Cap.

I perfectly know what I am asking for...you have troubles understanding it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He was losing conciousness on Wolverine #145...only Hulk's momentum allowed him to stab him in last ditch effort...

.....................

Correct...after Hulk started raining continous blows, Wolverine was losing conciousness...read the comic.




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This image would have been enough.

I like to present things in context

Originally posted by manjaro
...or it turns out that this was all in some kid's imagination



I hope so ....

Just had to say nice debate guys. Jinzin and Darkcrawler good work

hi i am back, had problems with my comp but now its fixed, anyway i see that you say wolverine cant hang out with 100 hitters? ye thats why he fought wendigo and went toe to toe with him , or when wolverine took beating from sesquatch and was ok, and of course the hulk
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wlv14535ib9.jpg
wolverine could take hulk out but stopped i say its magic
, the thing is that wolverine have what it takes to hurt all them and thats his claws, he got what it takes to do it thanx to his skills, and guess what? he got what it takes to take hits from them thanx to the healing factor and adamantium skeleton .... i say its magik too, oh and by the way against all this namor thing i already said it and i will say it again.... namor was overskilled thats why he couldnt duck and couldnt move its not that he was too slow its just wolverine was too fast and thats a fact you just got your speculations , and saying that namor should knock wolverine with a punch? guess what? namor went toe to toe with daredevil and couldnt knock him out

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well as you can see he couldnt knock daredevil and they were some punches from namor that couldnt hit daredevil which means that he is not that fast and daredevil is faster, now wolverine got the strength over daredevil, the skills over him, dont know about the speed but he is hell got more stamina then daredevil so you see theres no reason why wolverine cant be faster then namor, if daredevil got the weapon that wolverine has he could take namor out, wolverine got the claws to hurt namor and combined with all his skills i say theres no reason why he shouldnt take namor down

Originally posted by wolvertooth
he got what it takes to take hits from them thanx to the healing factor and adamantium skeleton

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t421111.html

scoobles... you know that over that fight with wendigo ( wolverine even didnt have his adamentium) he got milion fights were he heals from fighting characters like hulk , the strongest form of wendig.... thats like one of some poor issues where you can see wolverine like that and he got milion more to top that

You do realise that when he didn't have the adamantium his healing powers were stronger than when he did... due to them not having to constantly protect from adamantium poisoning (or rust or something stupid like that)

i see that i have to say the same thing twice, for that poor issue wolverine got milion issues were he heals from much much worse things and you know that , wolverines healing factor was taken to test many times , so really man i understand that its cool here to go against wolverine and you are trying to be one of the guys so you go against him bla bla bla.... but!!! saying that his healing factor cant take beating from wendigo when he already fought the strongest form of wendigo and took everything and stabed him?? please you just look funny man stop

Um.... I think you just got told Scoob

Originally posted by wolvertooth
hi i am back, had problems with my comp but now its fixed, anyway i see that you say wolverine cant hang out with 100 hitters? ye thats why he fought wendigo and went toe to toe with him , or when wolverine took beating from sesquatch and was ok, and of course the hulk
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wlv14535ib9.jpg
wolverine could take hulk out but stopped i say its magic
, the thing is that wolverine have what it takes to hurt all them and thats his claws, he got what it takes to do it thanx to his skills, and guess what? he got what it takes to take hits from them thanx to the healing factor and adamantium skeleton .... i say its magik too, oh and by the way against all this namor thing i already said it and i will say it again.... namor was overskilled thats why he couldnt duck and couldnt move its not that he was too slow its just wolverine was too fast and thats a fact you just got your speculations , and saying that namor should knock wolverine with a punch? guess what? namor went toe to toe with daredevil and couldnt knock him out

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well as you can see he couldnt knock daredevil and they were some punches from namor that couldnt hit daredevil which means that he is not that fast and daredevil is faster, now wolverine got the strength over daredevil, the skills over him, dont know about the speed but he is hell got more stamina then daredevil so you see theres no reason why wolverine cant be faster then namor, if daredevil got the weapon that wolverine has he could take namor out, wolverine got the claws to hurt namor and combined with all his skills i say theres no reason why he shouldnt take namor down

In all your examples, Namor IS-HOLDING-BACK.

For gods sake, he even SAYS in some of the fights that he is holding back. You can SEE that he doesn't use his full strength, speed, or skills. It's not speculation, you can S-E-E it with your own very eyes from the writing AND art.

How many times I have to explain this?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
i see that i have to say the same thing twice, for that poor issue wolverine got milion issues were he heals from much much worse things and you know that , wolverines healing factor was taken to test many times , so really man i understand that its cool here to go against wolverine and you are trying to be one of the guys so you go against him bla bla bla.... but!!! saying that his healing factor cant take beating from wendigo when he already fought the strongest form of wendigo and took everything and stabed him?? please you just look funny man stop

1. Learn to form your sentences a little better... it physically hurts trying to make sense of your posts

2. I am not "against Wolverine" Just because I have expressed the opinion that his powers have been extremely inconsistent over the years

3. If you want to be taken seriously, try not to come across as a fanboy "Wolvertooth"
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Just because someone argues against Wolverine does not make them a hater, likewise, arguing for Wolverine doesn't necessarily make you a fanboy

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
In all your examples, Namor IS-HOLDING-BACK.

For gods sake, he even SAYS in some of the fights that he is holding back. You can SEE that he doesn't use his full strength, speed, or skills. It's not speculation, you can S-E-E it with your own very eyes from the writing AND art.

How many times I have to explain this?

in the first fight yes but i posted 2 fights and in the second fight namor wasnt holding back he was full power fighting and if you say otherwise then its only your speculations , and that was only daredevil ... a human... now with wolverine it will be a different story.... wain a sec it already was Lol and wolverine owned namor

Originally posted by wolvertooth
in the first fight yes but i posted 2 fights and in the second fight namor wasnt holding back he was full power fighting and if you say otherwise then its only your speculations , and that was only daredevil ... a human... now with wolverine it will be a different story.... wain a sec it already was Lol and wolverine owned namor

In all fights with DD Namor was holding back. In all fights with Wolverine Namor was holding back.

Again, you can see it from the art and writing.

This debate is pointless if you fail to grasp the understanding of these simple sentences. I have tried to explain it as well as I can, but if you are just too thick to even stop reading them and re-post and re-post the same stupid, ignorant posts again and again, I can't help it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
1. Learn to form your sentences a little better... it physically hurts trying to make sense of your posts

2. I am not "against Wolverine" Just because I have expressed the opinion that his powers have been extremely inconsistent over the years

3. If you want to be taken seriously, try not to come across as a fanboy "Wolvertooth"
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Just because someone argues against Wolverine does not make them a hater, likewise, arguing for Wolverine doesn't necessarily make you a fanboy

its not a spelling forum right? so if you dont like it bite me

if i want to be taken seriously? i dont give a crap how you take me i didnt came here to make friends and as far as i can see some of you are ignorant so its a compliment to be hated by people that hate a fiction character

you are not against him? you show me scans where he cant heal from wendigo which is total crap because in his milion more issues he heals from much worse staff, you try to make it sound right which is stupid thing to do and then you say your not a hater? get lost

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
In all fights with DD Namor was holding back. In all fights with Wolverine Namor was holding back.

Again, you can see it from the art and writing.

This debate is pointless if you fail to grasp the understanding of these simple sentences. I have tried to explain it as well as I can, but if you are just too thick to even stop reading them and re-post and re-post the same stupid, ignorant posts again and again, I can't help it.


you just have to be one of the most ignorant people i ever saw, can you *****n prove that namor was holding back against wolverine? where the hell did this dream came from? stoppp pulling things from your ass stop , it just makes you look like a bufoon , i want you now to show me a prove that namor was holding back against wolverine i want a solid prove dont give me that " he didnt duck crap" give me a prove or shut up either of those lets go

what can i expect from someone that has a namor sig? Lol you are truely a namor fanboy

Originally posted by wolvertooth
you just have to be one of the most ignorant people i ever saw, can you *****n prove that namor was holding back against wolverine? where the hell did this dream came from? stoppp pulling things from your ass stop , it just makes you look like a bufoon , i want you now to show me a prove that namor was holding back against wolverine i want a solid prove dont give me that " he didnt duck crap" give me a prove or shut up either of those lets go

He's shown more strength, speed, skills and all around fighting prowess in past against other characters and things.

There is your proof.

His fights with Wolverine and Daredevil are some of his lowest showings around. I don't use low showings for Wolverine (like the one where he was knocked down by a deer...), you shouldn't use low showings for other characters.

No need to start a childish and cursing rantfest, it's just that you are wrong.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
what can i expect from someone that has a namor sig? Lol you are truely a namor fanboy

And what other then blatant retardness, inability to spell right and Wolverine supporting that defies all logic I can expect from a guy named "Wolvertooth"?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He's shown more strength, speed, skills and all around fighting prowess in past against other characters and things.

There is your proof.

His fights with Wolverine and Daredevil are some of his lowest showings around. I don't use low showings for Wolverine (like the one where he was knocked down by a deer...), you shouldn't use low showings for other characters.

No need to start a childish and cursing rantfest, it's just that you are wrong.



And what other then blatant retardness, inability to spell right and Wolverine supporting that defies all logic I can expect from a guy named "Wolvertooth"?

ohhhh i get it.... so now his fight against daredevil is a PIS too , you just made me laugh really hard man i like that , the same i can say about wolverine that took out many powerhouses such as wendigo , thing, hulk, sesquatch,stabed tanos, roughouse, you see those are a high league people and he beat most of them some of them got really good fight with him , and of course recently he beat namor, but it seems that one fanboy with namor signature cant get over it and wakes at nights and screams.... nooooooo you bastards why why did wolverine kicked namors ass

yes my nick name is wolvertooth ... but you know theres a real animal named wolverine and maybe my nick name is about a tooth ow a real wolverine? again you and your speculations

Originally posted by wolvertooth
ohhhh i get it.... so now his fight against daredevil is a PIS
There's a chance it may not be. I mean Daredevil WAS able to take Wolverine.

and? wolverine also took daredevil, and belive me daredevil is no joke he took out some serious power houses, also daredevil took down spider-man many times it can mean that wolverine can take spider-man too

Originally posted by wolvertooth
its not a spelling forum right? so if you dont like it bite me

if i want to be taken seriously? i dont give a crap how you take me i didnt came here to make friends and as far as i can see some of you are ignorant so its a compliment to be hated by people that hate a fiction character

you are not against him? you show me scans where he cant heal from wendigo which is total crap because in his milion more issues he heals from much worse staff, you try to make it sound right which is stupid thing to do and then you say your not a hater? get lost

You're an aggresive little fella, aren'tcha?... *he's so cute*

Originally posted by wolvertooth
ohhhh i get it.... so now his fight against daredevil is a PIS too , you just made me laugh really hard man i like that , the same i can say about wolverine that took out many powerhouses such as wendigo , thing, hulk, sesquatch,stabed tanos, roughouse, you see those are a high league people and he beat most of them some of them got really good fight with him , and of course recently he beat namor, but it seems that one fanboy with namor signature cant get over it and wakes at nights and screams.... nooooooo you bastards why why did wolverine kicked namors ass

yes my nick name is wolvertooth ... but you know theres a real animal named wolverine and maybe my nick name is about a tooth ow a real wolverine? again you and your speculations

*sigh*

No, it's not PIS. He was just holding back. Which is understandable, because Namor does not want to kill him. He holds back against Wolverine too, because he does not want to kill him either.

Again, your childish rant is wasted, because you can't clearly understand anything I am saying.

You are just making yourself look stupid.

Namor was OBVIOUSLY holding back against DD otherwise Murdocks brains would be covering the landscape...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
*sigh*

No, it's not PIS. He was just holding back. Which is understandable, because Namor does not want to kill him. He holds back against Wolverine too, because he does not want to kill him either.

Again, your childish rant is wasted, because you can't clearly understand anything I am saying.

You are just making yourself look stupid.

so let me get it.... i look stupid because i dont see your dream as a true fact? where the hell is it stated that namor is holding back against wolverine? show me prove that states that namor is holding back against wolverine or your post means nothing

honestly according to logic any extreme powerhouse such as namor , thing ,wendigo should be able to KO wolv

but they all couldnt .... so i dont really care about people opinions or logic i care about whats on the paper... on the paper wolverine took out wendigo and many powerhouses even the hulk , now i am waiting for namor fanboy here to show me a prove that namor was holding back against wolverine

Originally posted by wolvertooth
so let me get it.... i look stupidYes.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
but they all couldnt .... so i dont really care about people opinions or logic i care about whats on the paper... on the paper wolverine took out wendigo and many powerhouses even the hulk , now i am waiting for namor fanboy here to show me a prove that namor was holding back against wolverine

dude this is what happened , remeber cap fighting ironman in civil war 3?
shoudl he have been KO'ed with teh first punch?..........of course! now apply that to wolv and namor (and yes i am aware of wolverines healing factor)

Originally posted by wolvertooth
so let me get it.... i look stupid because i dont see your dream as a true fact? where the hell is it stated that namor is holding back against wolverine? show me prove that states that namor is holding back against wolverine or your post means nothing And again...

He's used more strength, more speed and more fighting skills in past.

He only used about 0.1% of his full abilities in the fight.

Thus, he was holding back.

Why can't your mind understand these simple facts?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And again...

He's used more strength, more speed and more fighting skills in past.

He only used about 0.1% of his full abilities in the fight.

Thus, he was holding back.

Why can't your mind understand these simple facts?

you avoiding my question.... p-r-o-v-e that he doesnt use his full power on wolverine is that so hard for your mind?? you know the world prove? it means not what you think it means give me a prove that he was holding back and didnt use his full power

Originally posted by wolvertooth
you avoiding my question.... p-r-o-v-e that he doesnt use his full power on wolverine is that so hard for your mind?? you know the world prove? it means not what you think it means give me a prove that he was holding back and didnt use his full power

I already have.

He has used more power in past. He did not use his full power there, because you can see it from writing and art.

I am not avoiding anything, you just have some strange difficulties understanding this simple answer.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I already have.

He has used more power in past. He did not use his full power there, because you can see it from writing and art.

I am not avoiding anything, you just have some strange difficulties understanding this simple answer.


Lol , listen how hard is it for you to answer me one thing .... how can you prove that he wasnt using his full power here? prove it... but you cant because its only your speculation , you see thats what seperate fans from fanboys , when fanboys like you just pull things from there asses that arent even there , either show a prove that he didnt use full power either shut up but please dont continue to make fun out of yourself

Originally posted by wolvertooth
Lol , listen how hard is it for you to answer me one thing .... how can you prove that he wasnt using his full power here? prove it... but you cant because its only your speculation , you see thats what seperate fans from fanboys , when fanboys like you just pull things from there asses that arent even there , either show a prove that he didnt use full power either shut up but please dont continue to make fun out of yourself

But there is proof that he didn't use full power in the comic itself.

You are just too stupid to understand it. I'll try to explain this as easily as I can.

He did not use full power. Why?

Because if you compare that comic to some other comics where Namor has been, you can see that he has used more strength, more speed and more fighting skills in the other comics. The same applies to other characters too.

Wolverine did not fight against Daredevil in full power, because he has used more strength, more speed and more skills in other comics.

Superman did not fight against Batman in full power, because he has used more strength, more speed and more skills in other comics.

Spider-Man did not fight against Rhino in full power, because he has used more strength, more speed and more skills in other comics.

Understood?

Even when he knocked Wolverine out he didn't hit him that hard. Namor has punched the Hulk over a mile ... but when he KOd Wolverine he just fell over pretty much where he was standing.... nothing but a love-tap

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But there is proof that he didn't use full power in the comic itself.

You are just too stupid to understand it. I'll try to explain this as easily as I can.

He did not use full power. Why?

Because if you compare that comic to some other comics where Namor has been, you can see that he has used more strength, more speed and more fighting skills in the other comics. The same applies to other characters too.

Wolverine did not fight against Daredevil in full power, because he has used more strength, more speed and more skills in other comics.

Superman did not fight against Batman in full power, because he has used more strength, more speed and more skills in other comics.

Spider-Man did not fight against Rhino in full power, because he has
used more strength, more speed and more skills in other comics.

so there is no limit to ignorance... you tell me namor didnt use his full power just because he did better in other fights? are you that dumb? its not that namor is weaker here or slower its just that wolverine made him look like a clown and why shouldnt he? as we saw in the fight against daredevil ... daredevil is faster then namor why shouldnt wolverine be? wolverine was fast enough to stab namor and beat him and namor was overskilled there, the things that you are saying are a pure fanboy sh*t man, the same thing i can say about everytime wolverine lost, i can say but he did much better in other fights in most of them then everytime someone can ko wolverine is PIS .. but i wont say thing like that because unlike you i look at facts , your just a namor fanboy and you got nothing to back your words ... as i said enough with the speculations there are facts on the paper end of story , bring facts or dont say anything

Understood?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Even when he knocked Wolverine out he didn't hit him that hard. Namor has punched the Hulk over a mile ... but when he KOd Wolverine he just fell over pretty much where he was standing.... nothing but a love-tap

maybe when he punched hulk that hard that was PIS he couldnt even punch spider-man that hard

even if namor was holding back against daredeil .... daredevil still sent him flying from his blows
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6733/ddnamor36ly.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey35wx.gif

and as you can see namor wasnt holding back he was very angry

Originally posted by wolvertooth
what seperate fans from fanboys....is that fans aren't you.

No. Namor did not use his full power because he has shown more power in the past. It is a fact. I could show you dozens, probably hundreds of examples where he uses more power then he does in any of his fights against Daredevil or Wolverine.

That sentence really makes your foolish rant useless. Again.

And as for your Daredevil fights, Namor was holding back in all of them. For advise, read the last pages of the fights too.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No. Namor did not use his full power because he has shown more power in the past. It is a fact. I could show you dozens, probably hundreds of examples where he uses more power then he does in any of his fights against Daredevil or Wolverine.

That sentence really makes your foolish rant useless. Again.

And as for your Daredevil fights, Namor was holding back in all of them. For advise, read the last pages of the fights too.

was holding back? not in the secong fight he didnt, he was fighting then spider-man too and he was fighting with full power and couldnt knock them out , and i say it again even so daredevil still hurt namor with his bare hands , and again namor wasnt strong here because wolverine didnt give him any chance for that, wolverine was too fast and just stabed namor, namoe hit wolverine and couldnt ko him, you are one of the worst debaters here its seems like you are the only one who is tring to state things that arent there and then you try to make everybody belive that its true, as i sayed dont waist your time, show me prove that namor wasnt using his full power or dont say anything.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
was holding back? not in the secong fight he didnt, he was fighting then spider-man too and he was fighting with full power and couldnt knock them out , and i say it again even so daredevil still hurt namor with his bare hands , and again namor wasnt strong here because wolverine didnt give him any chance for that, wolverine was too fast and just stabed namor, namoe hit wolverine and couldnt ko him, you are one of the worst debaters here its seems like you are the only one who is tring to state things that arent there and then you try to make everybody belive that its true, as i sayed dont waist your time, show me prove that namor wasnt using his full power or dont say anything.

He was not fighting with full power. Again, read the last page. He is weakened because he had been out of water for hours, and he stopped holding back on last page and was about throw a freaking tree on them.
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey62ve.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey71tx.gif

And no, Wolverine is not too fast. Namor was just holding back. He was talking peacefully through the whole goddamn fight, does that sound like someone going all out to you?

Again, the proof is in the battle itself. Namor has shown better skills, better speed and better strength in other battles, in his feats and in other situations. Your inability to accept facts just makes you write those boring rants and insults.

And I am the worst debater here?

You are the only one who thinks so, I am afraid...

Oh, and just for example...

THIS is Namor NOT holding back:
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http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815313047.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815340894.gif&s=x11

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He was not fighting with full power. Again, read the last page. He is weakened because he had been out of water for hours, and he stopped holding back on last page and was about throw a freaking tree on them.
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey62ve.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey71tx.gif

And no, Wolverine is not too fast. Namor was just holding back. He was talking peacefully through the whole goddamn fight, does that sound like someone going all out to you?

Again, the proof is in the battle itself. Namor has shown better skills, better speed and better strength in other battles, in his feats and in other situations. Your inability to accept facts just makes you write those boring rants and insults.

And I am the worst debater here?

You are the only one who thinks so, I am afraid...

Oh, and just for example...

THIS is Namor NOT holding back:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815311057.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815313047.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815340894.gif&s=x11

first of all it doesnt state that he was holding back against them both just that he was weakened after he was out the water , but he was fighting full power , you say he always show much better speed well.... most of his fights are in the water or with not very fast fighters, but how fast is he out the water and against someone as fast as wolverine? you saw that he had some trouble to hit daredevil and that was at the beginnig of the fight when it wasnt so long after he got out of the water and he was fresh, ans still daredevil was too fast for him, he always fight someone strong but not really fast so you cant say that he is very fast at fighting on the ground, the skills also play a huge part here, wolverine was too skilled for him and thats the reason why wolverine knocked him off his feet and stabed him due to his skills i dont see whats so unreal here , namor was trying to talk to him??? yeee at the beginning but then namor punched him and began to fight him ... he was fighting wolverine , so overall it doesnt matter how strong namor is or how much weight can he press, wolverine was too skilled and just used it to stab namor and i say he could kill him if it wasnt namors guard, so whatever you say got no base and stupid

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5536/06kk5.th.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45004pe9.jpg
namor punched wolverine and it began wolverine then knocked him fast off his feet

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45005be8.jpg
as you can see namor wasnt just standing he was fighting and he reacted fast too so you cant say they made him like a punching bag

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45006rn9.jpg
and here wolverine reacted too fast for namor got up and stabed him and took out his guard

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45008vo3.jpg
and here wolverine was attacked from behind and look really good what namor said , namor himself said "next time you want to eviscerate someone. try hitting the major organs" so namor humself admit that the only way he could ko logan is by hitting his major organs and that was from behind if it was face to face he couldnt do that

Originally posted by wolvertooth
first of all it doesnt state that he was holding back against them both just that he was weakened after he was out the water , but he was fighting full power , you say he always show much better speed well.... most of his fights are in the water or with not very fast fighters, but how fast is he out the water and against someone as fast as wolverine? you saw that he had some trouble to hit daredevil and that was at the beginnig of the fight when it wasnt so long after he got out of the water and he was fresh, ans still daredevil was too fast for him, he always fight someone strong but not really fast so you cant say that he is very fast at fighting on the ground, the skills also play a huge part here, wolverine was too skilled for him and thats the reason why wolverine knocked him off his feet and stabed him due to his skills i dont see whats so unreal here , namor was trying to talk to him??? yeee at the beginning but then namor punched him and began to fight him ... he was fighting wolverine , so overall it doesnt matter how strong namor is or how much weight can he press, wolverine was too skilled and just used it to stab namor and i say he could kill him if it wasnt namors guard, so whatever you say got no base and stupid

And you haven't even read the fricking issue where he fights DD. He had been out of water, for long time, he was only playing with them both, and only in the last page he starts taking it seriously. All this is stated throughout the fight. You can't ignore the facts.

And how fast is he out of water? Well, here are just some of his lesser speed feats...
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3664/namorfeat31lb.gif
http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/152/namorspeedfeat318vl.gif
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3396/namorspeedfeat476fb.gif

He could have killed Namor because Namor was holding back. He was not using his full speed, he was not using his full skills, he was not using his full strength. How do I know that? I can see it. I have seen Namor using more speed, more strength, and more skills in the past. Namor was holding back through the fight. It is a fact that you can see from the comic.

And he was talking to him even when he was fighting. And he let him dress up. And he let him get up after he had knocked him down.

I'd advise you to read the fights we are discussing about. I'd also advise you to read Namor examples outside the Wolverine fight, and not only use his low showings.

I have said this before. I don't use low showings for Wolverine, you shouldn't use low showings for Namor.

If you want to, however, I can use Wolverine's low showings too...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor himself said "next time you want to eviscerate someone. try hitting the major organs" so namor humself admit that the only way he could ko logan is by hitting his major organs and that was from behind if it was face to face he couldnt do that It's almost understandable you don't seem to be grasping Darkcrawler's posts considering the continued exhibition of poor reading comprehension skills.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45004pe9.jpg
namor punched wolverine and it began wolverine then knocked him fast off his feet

Yeah, because Namor was just standing there, not following his punch with another.

I also noticed that Namor didn't use his flight there...when he has been knocked off before, he has made it ineffective by going flying when he is knocked off his feet...

Holding back.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45005be8.jpg
as you can see namor wasnt just standing he was fighting and he reacted fast too so you cant say they made him like a punching bag

I also see that Namor let Wolverine just put his shirt on, have a nice little speech and the wait for him to come to him.

Holding back.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45006rn9.jpg
and here wolverine reacted too fast for namor got up and stabed him and took out his guard

Wolverine was on the ground and Namor let him get up instead of kicking him immediatly when he fell down. Hell, he even waited him to say "Something like that..." on ground.

Holding back...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45008vo3.jpg
and here wolverine was attacked from behind and look really good what namor said , namor himself said "next time you want to eviscerate someone. try hitting the major organs" so namor humself admit that the only way he could ko logan is by hitting his major organs and that was from behind if it was face to face he couldnt do that

Not really, Namor didn't admit anything there. He just said that to take him out, Wolverine should try to hit the major organs.

then i can tell you that wolverine wasnt fighting him serious either, wolverine wasnt even angry or berserk i mean look at the picture after wolverine knocked him down of his feet wolverine didnt attack him he went to dress up and namor was on the ground wolverine could easy continue to beat namor but he knocked him and went to dress up
http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45004pe9.jpg


http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45005be8.jpg
here you see that namor did use his speed and was faster at that move

but here wolverine reacted too fast and stab him
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45006rn9.jpg

about the daredevil and spider-man vs namor ... namor was fighting full power but its just in the end he got mad and angry and felt like he must do the best he can so he got a boost, wolverine can get into berserk rage and so can anyone and he will be stronger

Originally posted by wolvertooth
then i can tell you that wolverine wasnt fighting him serious either, wolverine wasnt even angry or berserk i mean look at the picture after wolverine knocked him down of his feet wolverine didnt attack him he went to dress up and namor was on the ground wolverine could easy continue to beat namor but he knocked him and went to dress up Point? Namor could have just brought an oil tanker with him, dropped it on Wolverine, and gone home.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, because Namor was just standing there, not following his punch with another.

I also noticed that Namor didn't use his flight there...when he has been knocked off before, he has made it ineffective by going flying when he is knocked off his feet...

Holding back.

he was knocked out his feet to fast to react , overspeed by wolverine



I also see that Namor let Wolverine just put his shirt on, have a nice little speech and the wait for him to come to him.

Holding back.


thats funny because wolverine could just keep attacking namor while namor was on the ground, but instead wolverine just went to wear his shirt, so the way i see it wolverine is the one that holding back on namor


Wolverine was on the ground and Namor let him get up instead of kicking him immediatly when he fell down. Hell, he even waited him to say "Something like that..." on ground.

Holding back...

how do you know namor didnt want to do it? the only thing i see is that wolverine got up to fast for namor to react, maybe namor was going to do that but wolverine got up too fast for him and i dont know but i am sure we both see wolverine stabing namor and then throwing him, wolverine even didnt continue to hurt him, if i will go by every wolverine fight, he should continue to cut namor and hurt him but he didnt do it he just threw him away


Not really, Namor didn't admit anything there. He just said that to take him out, Wolverine should try to hit the major organs.


so namor told wolverine to hit major parts, well thats just proves my point , wolverine knows the major parts, in many many wolverine fights he uses major parts to hurt someone like in his fight against captain america, he knows where to stub to kill or to hurt, but he didnt do it, and thats just show that wolverine really was holding back from hurting namor

my answers for each statement are in the quote itself

What I don't get, is how Namor can take hydrogen bombs along with class 100 punches and keep on fighting, but a short fury guy with claws can puncture and hurt him...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
then i can tell you that wolverine wasnt fighting him serious either, wolverine wasnt even angry or berserk i mean look at the picture after wolverine knocked him down of his feet wolverine didnt attack him he went to dress up and namor was on the ground wolverine could easy continue to beat namor but he knocked him and went to dress up
http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45004pe9.jpg



I didn't say that Wolverine was fighting at full power.

But he was taking the fight more seriously then Namor.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45005be8.jpg
here you see that namor did use his speed and was faster at that move
Yeah, he was...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
but here wolverine reacted too fast and stab him
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45006rn9.jpg


Namor had at least two seconds to kick Wolverine on the face. He didn't. Namor didn't use his speed, so naturally Wolverine was able to stab him.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
about the daredevil and spider-man vs namor ... namor was fighting full power but its just in the end he got mad and angry and felt like he must do the best he can so he got a boost, wolverine can get into berserk rage and so can anyone and he will be stronger No, Namor wasn't fighting at full power. It's shown there. And he had been out of water for a long time since the beginning of the fight.

Originally posted by batdude123
What I don't get, is how Namor can take hydrogen bombs along with class 100 punches and keep on fighting, but a short fury guy with claws can puncture and hurt him... Shadowcat can phase to survive a hydrogen bomb at it's epicentre, a city levelling blast from a Mega-Sentinel at it's epicentre, can phase through Danger, whom Wolverine can't pierce with his adamantium claws and is thus very dense, can phase through Colossus, whom also can't be cut, can theoretically phase through IW's forcefields, phasing is her natural state and when she's knocked unconscious she's phased, she's phased through adamantium multiple times in the past... but... adamantium claws now hurt her "because they're dense" and she is inexplicably forced into a tangible state.

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

so basically wolverine is the one that holding back against namor

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45004pe9.jpg
wolverine could keep atacking namor but he went to wear his shirt while namor was on the ground

holding back

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45006rn9.jpg
got up too fast for namor to react but only stabed namor and threw him, if wolverine would fight with full berserk he would continue to stab and cut namor but he just threw him like a trash

holding back

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45008vo3.jpg
namor said that wolverine should hit major parts, but wolverine knows all the right spots like he uses in many fights , but here he didnt use them on namor and thats just show you that wolverine is holding back on namor


overall i want to say i am sorry for saying you are the worst debater, you show nice points and i respect your posts for that

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Shadowcat can phase to survive a hydrogen bomb at it's epicentre, a city levelling blast from a Mega-Sentinel at it's epicentre, can phase through Danger, whom Wolverine can't pierce with his adamantium claws and is thus very dense, can phase through Colossus, whom also can't be cut, can theoretically phase through IW's forcefields, phasing is her natural state and when she's knocked unconscious she's phased, she's phased through adamantium multiple times in the past... but... adamantium claws now hurt her "because they're dense" and she is inexplicably forced into a tangible state.

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

Yeah, I know.

Also, I thought it was VIBRANIUM that she couldn't phase through.... Eh, Wolverine has an answer for everything.

Originally posted by batdude123
What I don't get, is how Namor can take hydrogen bombs along with class 100 punches and keep on fighting, but a short fury guy with claws can puncture and hurt him...

just like the thing taking blasts and canons but was taken down by wolverine, its different kind of force, bombs and energy create presure and the presure cant hurt namor, but wolverine stab him with a sharp 30 cm 3 clwas which are made out of the strongest metal on earth, thats penetration already and thats another kind of force

Originally posted by wolvertooth
just like the thing taking blasts and canons but was taken down by wolverine, its different kind of force, bombs and energy create presure and the presure cant hurt namor, but wolverine stab him with a sharp 30 cm 3 clwas which are made out of the strongest metal on earth, thats penetration already and thats another kind of force

Yes, but there's a difference. Wolverine can only create about 1 ton of force behind those claws. That shouldn't be enough to puncture Namor. It's like having a sharp stainless steel knife and trying to completely stab it in a tree bark. The knife is stronger and more durable, but the density of the tree itself makes it require a lot more force than what normal people can exert. It's the same situation with Wolverine and Namor. I guarantee that one of Hulk's punches creates more force per square inch, than what Wolverine's penetrations can exert. Bottom line: he shouldn't be able to puncture Namor.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
so basically wolverine is the one that holding back against namor

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45004pe9.jpg
wolverine could keep atacking namor but he went to wear his shirt while namor was on the ground

Yeah, it's just that if Namor had punched Wolverine more then once or used flight, he would not be on ground...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45006rn9.jpg
got up too fast for namor to react but only stabed namor and threw him, if wolverine would fight with full berserk he would continue to stab and cut namor but he just threw him like a trash

Actually, Namor had at least two seconds to do anything he wants to Wolverine, if he had, Wolverine would not have stabbed him...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45008vo3.jpg
namor said that wolverine should hit major parts, but wolverine knows all the right spots like he uses in many fights , but here he didnt use them on namor and thats just show you that wolverine is holding back on namor

Wolverine would not have been able to hit anything if Namor hadn't been holding back.


Originally posted by wolvertooth
overall i want to say i am sorry for saying you are the worst debater, you show nice points and i respect your posts for that

No hard feelings, it's just an internet debate.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lots of stuff about Wolverine + claws + force

I'm not sure how much force Wolverine can concentrate with his punches. I'm not sure how the ratio works. So, Wolverine is able to lift around 800lbs - 2 tons. Now, he's a trained martial artist, how mcuh pressure do you think his punches can cause..? And, of course wolverine's claws are propably magically sharpened.. Cutting on a molecular level

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, I know.

Also, I thought it was VIBRANIUM that she couldn't phase through.... Eh, Wolverine has an answer for everything.

Wolverine secretly works in a underground lab when he's not on the avengers, the A X-men or his own solo missions

Originally posted by Jyppe
I'm not sure how much force Wolverine can concentrate with his punches. I'm not sure how the ratio works. So, Wolverine is able to lift around 800lbs - 2 tons. Now, he's a trained martial artist, how mcuh pressure do you think his punches can cause..? And, of course wolverine's claws are propably magically sharpened.. Cutting on a molecular level

That's pretty much the general idea.

Originally posted by Jyppe
I'm not sure how much force Wolverine can concentrate with his punches. I'm not sure how the ratio works. So, Wolverine is able to lift around 800lbs - 2 tons. Now, he's a trained martial artist, how mcuh pressure do you think his punches can cause..? And, of course wolverine's claws are propably magically sharpened.. Cutting on a molecular level

Next issue, Wolverine splits an atom

Originally posted by wolvertooth
even if namor was holding back against daredeil .... daredevil still sent him flying from his blows
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6733/ddnamor36ly.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey35wx.gif

and as you can see namor wasnt holding back he was very angry

Namor said that he was treating DD like a toy. While I may find a toy irritating and treat it roughly, which could break it, I rarely go all out, stomping on it or slinging it against the wall with all my strength. I may carelessly toss it across the room though. Of course saying Namor was/wasn't going all out is speculation considering that he said neither but I read it as 'wasnt'.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor said that wolverine should hit major parts, but wolverine knows all the right spots like he uses in many fights , but here he didnt use them on namor and thats just show you that wolverine is holding back on namor

IDK, stabbing someone through the chest seems like an attempt to hit major organs. Wolverine knows Namor is tough but perhaps Atlantean physiology is sufficiently different from human physiology that Wolverine didn't hit anything major.

Tho' if Grimm22 is right the Professor Wolvy may have only wanted Namor down long enough to deal with the others.

Wolverine has actually found cures for cancer and AIDS and has pinpointed Osama's location.

Of course he dosent dare revail any of these things, because he would lose his bad boy image

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, it's just that if Namor had punched Wolverine more then once or used flight, he would not be on ground...



Actually, Namor had at least two seconds to do anything he wants to Wolverine, if he had, Wolverine would not have stabbed him...



Wolverine would not have been able to hit anything if Namor hadn't been holding back.




No hard feelings, it's just an internet debate.


if if if.... but namor didnt do it, i could say as well that if wolverine would keep cuting namor he couldnt do anything, but thats not the case here , namor gave wolverine a punch but wolverine knocked him of his feet too fast , namor couldnt continuw to punch wolverine because je felt and quickly knocked namor of his feet , and when namor was down wolverine walked away to wear his shirt and thats just show you that wolverine didnt want to fight namor he wasnt even angry

namor had time to kick wolverine but maybe he thought that wolverine is knocked out and he won

and again you say namor was holding back but i have proved that wolverine was the one that was holding back .... and the fact is that wolverine did hurt namor and when he did it he just stabed him and threw him away while he could continue to cut him and stab him more and more again it showes you that wolverine didnt even want to fight namor

Originally posted by Jyppe
I'm not sure how much force Wolverine can concentrate with his punches. I'm not sure how the ratio works. So, Wolverine is able to lift around 800lbs - 2 tons. Now, he's a trained martial artist, how mcuh pressure do you think his punches can cause..? And, of course wolverine's claws are propably magically sharpened.. Cutting on a molecular level

first of all wolverine claws are very sharp that means that they have to concetrate on a very small area, and even 1 ton is enough for really sharp 30 cm adamentium claws to panatrate namor because all that preasure goes on a really small area plus wolverines strength , why namor shouldnt be cut? he is not made of some cosmic thing, he is meat ,skin,bones , yes very durable but still , and wolverine is a martial artist , every person that train in martial arts knows how to hit harder, and again he is trained as a samurai he knows how to use a blade, some samurais can cut metal with there swords and thats real life explain that , all this together is enough for him to stab namor, damn the man cuts santinal which is made from metal ... tons of metal and no one sayes a thing but just not namor , if wolverine could stab hulk why cant he stab namor

Originally posted by lft4ded

IDK, stabbing someone through the chest seems like an attempt to hit major organs. Wolverine knows Namor is tough but perhaps Atlantean physiology is sufficiently different from human physiology that Wolverine didn't hit anything major.

Tho' if Grimm22 is right the Professor Wolvy may have only wanted Namor down long enough to deal with the others.


was it stated that namor got different organs? if he had different organs then it would be stated already, he got arms legs eyes just like human why wont he have the organs as well? wolverine just stabed him it the chest and thats it, he threw namor away.... if he wanted to kill him he would cintinue to cut him just like he does in his fights, wolverine was holding back, wolverine knows all the points that can kill all the deadly parts, if he wanted to hurt namor he would do it, even namor admited that wolverine didnt try to hit his major parts, wolverine didnt even fight him seriusly just wanted him to get out of his way

Originally posted by wolvertooth
if if if.... but namor didnt do it, i could say as well that if wolverine would keep cuting namor he couldnt do anything, but thats not the case here , namor gave wolverine a punch but wolverine knocked him of his feet too fast , namor couldnt continuw to punch wolverine because je felt and quickly knocked namor of his feet , and when namor was down wolverine walked away to wear his shirt and thats just show you that wolverine didnt want to fight namor he wasnt even angry

Yeah, he didn't do it. Why? Because he was holding back. An all-out Namor would have just kept punching Wolverine until there would have been nothing else then a bloody mass of adamantium bones left. He would not have given him time to kick him, he would have kept punching him while he was falling down.

And Namor wasn't angry either. He after all, let Wolverine dress up.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor had time to kick wolverine but maybe he thought that wolverine is knocked out and he won

He was talking. Knocked out people usually don't talk.

Namor didn't kick Wolverine because he was holding back.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
and again you say namor was holding back but i have proved that wolverine was the one that was holding back .... and the fact is that wolverine did hurt namor and when he did it he just stabed him and threw him away while he could continue to cut him and stab him more and more again it showes you that wolverine didnt even want to fight namor

So, they both were holding back.

Still doesn't change the fact that only time Wolverine gets a chance to stab Namor is that if Namor is holding back.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine has actually found cures for cancer and AIDS and has pinpointed Osama's location.

Of course he dosent dare revail any of these things, because he would lose his bad boy image

do you ever post something serious? you just tell stupid jokes because you got nothing to say ..... yes wolverine kicked things ass get over it ...you dont need to hate a fiction character for beating your hero with a single hit sorry

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, he didn't do it. Why? Because he was holding back. An all-out Namor would have just kept punching Wolverine until there would have been nothing else then a bloody mass of adamantium bones left. He would not have given him time to kick him, he would have kept punching him while he was falling down.

And Namor wasn't angry either. He after all, let Wolverine dress up.



He was talking. Knocked out people usually don't talk.

Namor didn't kick Wolverine because he was holding back.



So, they both were holding back.

Still doesn't change the fact that only time Wolverine gets a chance to stab Namor is that if Namor is holding back.


namor couldnt keep punching wolverine because wolverine felt down, and it doest stated how fast wolverine reacted, maybe just the second he hit the groung he knocked namor, maybe namor was about to hit wolverine again but he couldnt because wolverine was too fast.... admit it man its all speculations that cant be proven ... just cant... you can say that about every super hero that ever lost... you can say wait a second he could do that and that , but he didnt and thats the point, wolverine reacted too fast for namor to lay down another punch

namor had time to kick wolverine but again he didt do it , and wolverine was holding back before when he dressed up so it wouldnt come to this if wolverine kept attacking namor, namor didnt gave wolverine time to dress wolverine is the one that gave namor time to stand up, wolverine went to wear his shirt and then namor got up so wolverine was holding back

if namor was so fast he would avoid that stab doesnt he? i mean look for a second, it takes some time for someone to get up, wolverine was laying on his front side, not to get up and stab namor it took him some seconds and all that time namor could avoid that , now you will say that namor wanted to be hit? he wasnt fast enough thats all

and again after wolverine stabed him he didnt continue to trash him he was holding back

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor couldnt keep punching wolverine because wolverine felt down, and it doest stated how fast wolverine reacted, maybe just the second he hit the groung he knocked namor, maybe namor was about to hit wolverine again but he couldnt because wolverine was too fast.... admit it man its all speculations that cant be proven ... just cant... you can say that about every super hero that ever lost... you can say wait a second he could do that and that , but he didnt and thats the point, wolverine reacted too fast for namor to lay down another punch

Namor's hand speed is easily fast enough to hit Wolverine half a dozen times before he hits the ground.

Wolverine wasn't too fast, Namor was just holding back.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor had time to kick wolverine but again he didt do it , and wolverine was holding back before when he dressed up so it wouldnt come to this if wolverine kept attacking namor, namor didnt gave wolverine time to dress wolverine is the one that gave namor time to stand up, wolverine went to wear his shirt and then namor got up so wolverine was holding back

Namor was holding back. Namor gave Wolverine time to dress up and have a little speech. And Namor also did not use flight to avoid being fallen down, thus, Wolverine only was capable of putting Namor down because he let him.


Originally posted by wolvertooth
if namor was so fast he would avoid that stab doesnt he? i mean look for a second, it takes some time for someone to get up, wolverine was laying on his front side, not to get up and stab namor it took him some seconds and all that time namor could avoid that , now you will say that namor wanted to be hit? he wasnt fast enough thats all

Except that Namor has already reacted to faster things in less time. I have already shown you some of these of feats.

So, either writer wasn't aware of how fast Namor is, or Namor was holding back on that occasion too.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
and again after wolverine stabed him he didnt continue to trash him he was holding back

So was Namor. You can't change that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's hand speed is easily fast enough to hit Wolverine half a dozen times before he hits the ground.

Wolverine wasn't too fast, Namor was just holding back.



Namor was holding back. Namor gave Wolverine time to dress up and have a little speech. And Namor also did not use flight to avoid being fallen down, thus, Wolverine only was capable of putting Namor down because he let him.




Except that Namor has already reacted to faster things in less time. I have already shown you some of these of feats.

So, either writer wasn't aware of how fast Namor is, or Namor was holding back on that occasion too.



So was Namor. You can't change that.


you see namor concetrated his force into one punch and wolverine felt right away, namor planed just to lay one punch on wolverine, when you punch someone and he falls down you cant hit him again before he falls down becaose you concitrate your force inti one punch and namor thought it would be enough to take wolverine down and before he understood that its not enough wolverine knocked him down thats the case

namor gave wolverine time to dres?? namor was down on the floor while wolverine walked away... wolverine is the one that gave namor time if wolverine wanted he could continue to hit namor right after namor felt down , he could deliver a stab to namor right away and namor was on the ground , but wolverine just walked so wolverine is the one that gave namor a brake

wolverine can catch a bullet with his hands, he is very fast , the fact is that namor couldnt react fast enough and belive me that namor would do it if he could, i mean wolverine was about to stab him so he wasnt holding back if he could avoid it he would do it right away

Originally posted by wolvertooth
you see namor concetrated his force into one punch and wolverine felt right away, namor planed just to lay one punch on wolverine, when you punch someone and he falls down you cant hit him again before he falls down becaose you concitrate your force inti one punch and namor thought it would be enough to take wolverine down and before he understood that its not enough wolverine knocked him down thats the case

Namor could have still punched him more then one time. Or could have punched him with more force then that. Or both together. Like this:
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif

And Wolverine knocked him down because he didn't use his flight. THAT's the case. Namor would have not been on ground if he had used his flight.

Thus, he was holding back.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor gave wolverine time to dres?? namor was down on the floor while wolverine walked away... wolverine is the one that gave namor time if wolverine wanted he could continue to hit namor right after namor felt down , he could deliver a stab to namor right away and namor was on the ground , but wolverine just walked so wolverine is the one that gave namor a brake

Namor would not even be on the ground if he wasn't holding back...look above.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
wolverine can catch a bullet with his hands, he is very fast , the fact is that namor couldnt react fast enough and belive me that namor would do it if he could, i mean wolverine was about to stab him so he wasnt holding back if he could avoid it he would do it right away

And Namor can catch TWO objects FASTER then bullets with his hands on same time. Or react to objects HUNDREDS OF TIMES faster then bullets and jump from one of them to other while chasing a freaking spaceship. Or dodge 600 bullets PER SECOND. Or dodge dozens of lasers on the same time, which are THOUSANDS of times faster then bullets, and he can do that while carrying someone.

You are, again, ignoring all other comics Namor has been and basing his speed on this one encounter. Wolverine is not too fast for him. The writer is just a retard who does not know even one percent of what Namor is capable of doing.

And Namor had two seconds to do anything he wanted to Wolverine, but he didn't.

Holding back.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor could have still punched him more then one time. Or could have punched him with more force then that. Or both together. Like this:
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif

And Wolverine knocked him down because he didn't use his flight. THAT's the case. Namor would have not been on ground if he had used his flight.

Thus, he was holding back.



Namor would not even be on the ground if he wasn't holding back...look above.




And Namor can catch TWO objects FASTER then bullets with his hands on same time. Or react to objects HUNDREDS OF TIMES faster then bullets and jump from one of them to other while chasing a freaking spaceship. Or dodge 600 bullets PER SECOND. Or dodge dozens of lasers on the same time, which are THOUSANDS of times faster then bullets, and he can do that while carrying someone.

You are, again, ignoring all other comics Namor has been and basing his speed on this one encounter. Wolverine is not too fast for him. The writer is just a retard who does not know even one percent of what Namor is capable of doing.

And Namor had two seconds to do anything he wanted to Wolverine, but he didn't.

Holding back.

there are many fights where wolverine is avoiding punches , a well writen wolverine could avoin a punch like that, the guy that namor is punching is still standing thats why namor punched him so many times, because he didnt felt down, wolverine felt down after the first punch and was on the ground namor couldnt punch him any longer, and right away wolverine knocked him on the floor, so you say that namor is too fast to fall down and can fly right away? can you show that something like this already happened? namor was surprised and felt down right away, if i do by your words then namor cant fall at all he can fly right away... if you got scans of him doing it it would be great

so if you say that namor is soooo fast then how he even can be touched? i mean no one suppose to even touch him right? there were many times when wolverine was training in the danger room and he avoided lasers , he avoided shots, he avoided many traps, hell every x-men almost can do that , so if he avoided lasers does it means that he is super fast? remember its a comics, even cyclops avoiding all those traps and lasers , chasing a spaceship? thats the speed of his flight... but how fast is he on the ground? there is a huge difference between speed of flight and speed of fighting, storm can fly at same speed as an air plane but she is not very fast on the groung its different, in wolverine #182 he was surounded by mabsters with guns and in less then a second he cutted all there guns into pieces, damn if i had a scaner i could post so many scans, anyway wolverine cutted the guns so fast that they didnt get what happened , wolverines speed is not to be underestimated,and again most of namor speed is in the water but it was out the water where he is not that fast , wolverine had time to do anything he wanted to namor twice and he didnt

Originally posted by wolvertooth
there are many fights where wolverine is avoiding punches , a well writen wolverine could avoin a punch like that, the guy that namor is punching is still standing thats why namor punched him so many times, because he didnt felt down, wolverine felt down after the first punch and was on the ground namor couldnt punch him any longer, and right away wolverine knocked him on the floor, so you say that namor is too fast to fall down and can fly right away? can you show that something like this already happened? namor was surprised and felt down right away, if i do by your words then namor cant fall at all he can fly right away... if you got scans of him doing it it would be great

No, Namor simply punched him with speed that he didn't have time to fall down, then punched the most powerful punch in the last page and sent him flying. Namor's hand speed is enough to carve a statue in a SECOND, he can easily punch Wolverine before he goes down.

And you are right, he IS too fast to fall down and CAN fly right away, and it HAS happened before. Here is just one example.
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6241/cantfallqf1.gif

Originally posted by wolvertooth
so if you say that namor is soooo fast then how he even can be touched? i mean no one suppose to even touch him right? there were many times when wolverine was training in the danger room and he avoided lasers , he avoided shots, he avoided many traps, hell every x-men almost can do that , so if he avoided lasers does it means that he is super fast? remember its a comics, even cyclops avoiding all those traps and lasers , chasing a spaceship? thats the speed of his flight... but how fast is he on the ground? there is a huge difference between speed of flight and speed of fighting, storm can fly at same speed as an air plane but she is not very fast on the groung its different, in wolverine #182 he was surounded by mabsters with guns and in less then a second he cutted all there guns into pieces, damn if i had a scaner i could post so many scans, anyway wolverine cutted the guns so fast that they didnt get what happened , wolverines speed is not to be underestimated,and again most of namor speed is in the water but it was out the water where he is not that fast , wolverine had time to do anything he wanted to namor twice and he didnt

Actually, only ONE of the examples I said happened in the water. All others happened outside of it. And unless Namor is dehydrated (and his current suit keeps him hydrated), he is as fast in ground as he is in water.

A well written Namor won't be stabbed by Wolverine.

The way I see it both characters were holding back. I mean Namor can fly for one, and how the hell does Wolverine miss vital organs? That says Logan was not going for the kill.

I don't like Wolverine but he is a bad@ss motherf*cker on a consistant basis.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, Namor simply punched him with speed that he didn't have time to fall down, then punched the most powerful punch in the last page and sent him flying. Namor's hand speed is enough to carve a statue in a SECOND, he can easily punch Wolverine before he goes down.

And you are right, he IS too fast to fall down and CAN fly right away, and it HAS happened before. Here is just one example.
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6241/cantfallqf1.gif



Actually, only ONE of the examples I said happened in the water. All others happened outside of it. And unless Namor is dehydrated (and his current suit keeps him hydrated), he is as fast in ground as he is in water.

A well written Namor won't be stabbed by Wolverine.


in the link you posted spider-man punches namor... if he is so fast how come he cant avoid spider-mans punch?

and heres a link where he puncjes someone and he goes down why didnt namor punched him more?
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7126/submariner30030tz.jpg

sometimes they show characters with better fitures and sometimes they dont, if you look only on the perfect fights of the character then no one is supose to beat your character, if i take the best wolverine fights where he is so fast and strong then no one of the street levelers shouldnt be able to hurt him or do anything, namor could give more punches? come on you can say that about every character in the history of comics that ever gave one punch , superman for excemple , as i sayed before... namor gave wolverine a punch and thats the case... it doesnt matter what you think he could do wolverine felt and took namor down after that those are the facts

and heres namor getting a punch and falls down why doesnt he fly here?
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1244/namorfeat389hi.gif

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9690/vsnamor1g1uk.jpg
iron-man is faster here then namor.... where is his all mughty speed here?

and iron man ass was kicked by much weaker characters

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1966/vsnamor1f5ue.jpg
ironman is fast anough to punch namor and ironman is not very fast ... captain america is faster then him in a fight

and ironman hits namor in the water
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3382/vsnamor1c1wy.jpg

Originally posted by wolvertooth
in the link you posted spider-man punches namor... if he is so fast how come he cant avoid spider-mans punch?
Namor wasn't taking the fight for real. He was trying to avoid Spider-Man and continue his walking...

As you can see from the page.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
and heres a link where he puncjes someone and he goes down why didnt namor punched him more?
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7126/submariner30030tz.jpg/B]

Because he is insane in that example...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
sometimes they show characters with better fitures and sometimes they dont, if you look only on the perfect fights of the character then no one is supose to beat your character, if i take the best wolverine fights where he is so fast and strong then no one of the street levelers shouldnt be able to hurt him or do anything, namor could give more punches? come on you can say that about every character in the history of comics that ever gave one punch , superman for excemple , as i sayed before... namor gave wolverine a punch and thats the case... it doesnt matter what you think he could do wolverine felt and took namor down after that those are the facts

Yeah, he took Namor down. Namor who did not use his full speed, full skills and full strength. Those are the facts. Namor did not use his full capablities in that fight, and you can't argue that.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
and heres namor getting a punch and falls down why doesnt he fly here?
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1244/namorfeat389hi.gif

Because the writer wrotes him with less capabilities?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9690/vsnamor1g1uk.jpg
iron-man is faster here then namor.... where is his all mughty speed here?

Because Namor is dehydrated and weak...READ THE TEXT.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
and iron man ass was kicked by much weaker characters

Namor's kicked Iron Man's ass when he has NOT been dehydrated.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1966/vsnamor1f5ue.jpg
ironman is fast anough to punch namor

Namor is dehydrated and weak...again, READ THE TEXT.

Why are you focusing to his low showings anyway? I could do the same to Wolverine...

If he is so durable, why did a deer knock him down?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor wasn't taking the fight for real. He was trying to avoid Spider-Man and continue his walking...

As you can see from the page.



Because he is insane in that example...



Yeah, he took Namor down. Namor who did not use his full speed, full skills and full strength. Those are the facts. Namor did not use his full capablities in that fight, and you can't argue that.



Because the writer wrotes him with less capabilities?







Because Namor is dehydrated and weak...READ THE TEXT.



Namor's kicked Iron Man's ass when he has NOT been dehydrated.



Namor is dehydrated and weak...again, READ THE TEXT.

Why are you focusing to his low showings anyway? I could do the same to Wolverine...

If he is so durable, why did a deer knock him down?

oh come on.... i show you scans where nomer doesnt do what you sayed that he should do in every fight and you just say the writer doesnt know anything about him or that he was writen bad.... i think a writer should know better then you... he is the writer you know, just because once or twice namor did it that doesnt mean that he supose to do it all the time, i can take wolverines best out the nest fights and go by them ... where no one cant tuch him, where he cut tanos.. so i can say he can cut anyone ican also say wolverine is too fast and no one canthit him if i jugje by the things he done in his best fights... i showed you scans where namor didnt do what you sayed he supose to do

oh ye and heres a scan where ironman punch namor in the water.. and namor was just fine in the water because he punched ironman first
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3382/vsnamor1c1wy.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler


If he is so durable, why did a deer knock him down?

knocked him? the deer hit wolverine yes but he was pretending he is hurt just so he could surprise his student and get first to the jeep... if you would read that issue and not just looking at a single picture... you could see that his student ran fast to the jeep and wolverine was there already so basically wolverine just got hit but healed from it really fast

CONCLUSION: WOLVERINE WAS HOLDING BACK AND DINT WANT TO FIGHT NAMOR

and heres the thing who is much slower then wolverine hit namor without a problem even underwater... namor is so fast that even the thing hits him and face it the thing is no where near fast as wolverine
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThingFF147.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing4.jpg

too fast?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
oh come on.... i show you scans where nomer doesnt do what you sayed that he should do in every fight and you just say the writer doesnt know anything about him or that he was writen bad.... i think a writer should know better then you... he is the writer you know, just because once or twice namor did it that doesnt mean that he supose to do it all the time, i can take wolverines best out the nest fights and go by them ... where no one cant tuch him, where he cut tanos.. so i can say he can cut anyone ican also say wolverine is too fast and no one canthit him if i jugje by the things he done in his best fights... i showed you scans where namor didnt do what you sayed he supose to do

I could show you scans where it takes Wolverine about a week to heal one eye.

Does that make it his normal level of healing?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
oh ye and heres a scan where ironman punch namor in the water.. and namor was just fine in the water because he punched ironman first
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3382/vsnamor1c1wy.jpg

Does not make it Namor's level of speed...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
knocked him? the deer hit wolverine yes but he was pretending he is hurt just so he could surprise his student and get first to the jeep... if you would read that issue and not just looking at a single picture... you could see that his student ran fast to the jeep and wolverine was there already so basically wolverine just got hit but healed from it really fast

That is just one of the examples I am talking about. I could show you more feats like that.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
and heres the thing who is much slower then wolverine hit namor without a problem even underwater... namor is so fast that even the thing hits him and face it the thing is no where near fast as wolverine
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThingFF147.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing4.jpg

too fast?

Doesn't make Namor's normal level of speed what it is in that picture.

AGAIN, you use Wolverine's better showings to calculate his abilities, I am just doing the same with Namor. If you are going to use Namor's lowest showings to calculate his abilities, I will do the same with Wolverine.

Don't be a filthy hypocrite.

alright then if i go by wolverines best feats he shouldnt get hit in the first place like that his reflexes are much better then that, and when namor did punch him he should kick him back in the face like he did in his best fight when someone punch him he returns a strike right back, and when wolverine knocked namor down he should continue to beat him but instead he went to wear his shirt and left namor laying on the ground , and when wolverine stabed namor he should hit major organs because he knows them all, but he just stabed namor and threw him down , wolverine should continue to trash and slash namor as he does in his fights usually but he didnt, and still with all those holdings back wolverine still had the upper hand.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
alright then if i go by wolverines best feats he shouldnt get hit in the first place like that his reflexes are much better then that, and when namor did punch him he should kick him back in the face like he did in his best fight when someone punch him he returns a strike right back, and when wolverine knocked namor down he should continue to beat him but instead he went to wear his shirt and left namor laying on the ground , and when wolverine stabed namor he should hit major organs because he knows them all, but he just stabed namor and threw him down , wolverine should continue to trash and slash namor as he does in his fights usually but he didnt, and still with all those holdings back wolverine still had the upper hand.

If you go with Wolverine's best showings, I go with Namor's. None of the stuff you mattered means anything, because if Namor would have been fighting to his fullest, Wolverine would not be able to stab him, because he would actually dodge it (like he has done to faster things in similar situations). None of Wolverine's best showings also have him completely unaffected by several Namor class punches with the speed Namor puts them.

And whereas Wolverine needs to get close to Namor in order to defeat him, Namor can electrocute him, split open the ground under him, thunderclap him, bury him under a small mountain, etc...

Namor fighting at full power would defeat Wolverine with full power.

Easily.

And of course Wolverine had upper hand. Namor wasn't using 0.1% of what he is capable of.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If you go with Wolverine's best showings, I go with Namor's. None of the stuff you mattered means anything, because if Namor would have been fighting to his fullest, Wolverine would not be able to stab him, because he would actually dodge it (like he has done to faster things in similar situations). None of Wolverine's best showings also have him completely unaffected by several Namor class punches with the speed Namor puts them.

And whereas Wolverine needs to get close to Namor in order to defeat him, Namor can electrocute him, split open the ground under him, thunderclap him, bury him under a small mountain, etc...

Namor fighting at full power would defeat Wolverine with full power.

Easily.

And of course Wolverine had upper hand. Namor wasn't using 0.1% of what he is capable of.


first of all wolverine in his best showings dodged from punches, was much faster then lasers, even a guy with a machin gun couldnt hurt him, in many situations wolverine let people shoothim or hurt him because he knows he got healing factor, but the times where wolverine does show his speed its amazing, namor showed many times speed but i didnt see much of that speed in a fight, it seems that his speed is to dodge shots or any energy attack but i a h2h fight i never saw him very fast, iron man hit him, the thing hit him, it seems that when it comes to a fight he gets punched no matter how slow the character is , wolverine showed a lot of features that can say that he is very fast, catching bullets with his hand, avoiding lasers one after another, avoiding shots from a machin gun, and in fights in his best fetures he is very fast and always bring 10000 cuts before his enemy even give him a punch , he always resursable, he always finds a way to get out of a situation even when he is much over powered like his fights vs wendigo hulk caliban thing roughouse ... he is peak human and still takes down powerhouses , and all those powerhouses at least most of them can split the ground create earth quekes or thunderclup( the thunderclup thing beginning to be really stupid already) and still wolverine took them all out you forgeting one of the most importent thing and thats the healing factor, and you really think wolverine is going to stand in his place and wait for namor to do all that to him? come on the same way at the beginning wolverine can cut namor right at the start he is very fast, just stick his claws into namors throat , guts, cut his eyes like wolverine did to blob, the guy took beating from hulk and still owned him, the guy took down the thing with single blow.... twice , namor may be faster at flying, but on the ground in a fight i dont see anyway namor is faster, and if wolverine stab namor in a major part bye bye namor ... after all namor can be hurt by wolverines claws , the hulk pounded wolverine with his both fists which opened the ground and still wolverine continue to fight and owned him, you know theres a reason why wolverine takes all those powerhouses time after time

i dont have a scanner so i post whatever i can find here but here are some feats that show the speed of wolverine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/a2ba2451.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-18.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/uxm178pg03_low_res.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/wolverine34.jpg

there are just some of really few, in wolverine 182 he cuts all the guns around him so fast that they didnt know what happened, in the darkness wolverine he catches a bullet with his hand, in the x-men training he dodged lasers that shor one after another, but his best speed is in the fights themselves

credits for the scans i posted goes to jinzin,creshosk,logan87,and cept it up, nice scans guys

YEAH wolvie fanboys are the very best and when one is gone another takes his place, its a never ending cycle...they cannot be beaten! They are an extension of logan himself and that is why he is soo powerful...

Originally posted by jgiant
YEAH wolvie fanboys are the very best and when one is gone another takes his place, its a never ending cycle...they cannot be beaten! They are an extension of logan himself and that is why he is soo powerful... I'm pretty sure there's a sarcastic tone in there somewhere but this statement is actually pretty true. Wolverine derives his abilities from writers who want to impress fans (e.g. the newb writer who wrote him surviving Nitro). This in turn attracts more fans who love Wolverine doing ridiculously stupid things. And writers give them what they want. And so on and so forth ad nauseum.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
first of all wolverine in his best showings dodged from punches, was much faster then lasers, even a guy with a machin gun couldnt hurt him, in many situations wolverine let people shoothim or hurt him because he knows he got healing factor, but the times where wolverine does show his speed its amazing, namor showed many times speed but i didnt see much of that speed in a fight, it seems that his speed is to dodge shots or any energy attack but i a h2h fight i never saw him very fast, iron man hit him, the thing hit him, it seems that when it comes to a fight he gets punched no matter how slow the character is , wolverine showed a lot of features that can say that he is very fast, catching bullets with his hand, avoiding lasers one after another, avoiding shots from a machin gun, and in fights in his best fetures he is very fast and always bring 10000 cuts before his enemy even give him a punch , he always resursable, he always finds a way to get out of a situation even when he is much over powered like his fights vs wendigo hulk caliban thing roughouse ... he is peak human and still takes down powerhouses , and all those powerhouses at least most of them can split the ground create earth quekes or thunderclup( the thunderclup thing beginning to be really stupid already) and still wolverine took them all out you forgeting one of the most importent thing and thats the healing factor, and you really think wolverine is going to stand in his place and wait for namor to do all that to him? come on the same way at the beginning wolverine can cut namor right at the start he is very fast, just stick his claws into namors throat , guts, cut his eyes like wolverine did to blob, the guy took beating from hulk and still owned him, the guy took down the thing with single blow.... twice , namor may be faster at flying, but on the ground in a fight i dont see anyway namor is faster, and if wolverine stab namor in a major part bye bye namor ... after all namor can be hurt by wolverines claws , the hulk pounded wolverine with his both fists which opened the ground and still wolverine continue to fight and owned him, you know theres a reason why wolverine takes all those powerhouses time after time

i dont have a scanner so i post whatever i can find here but here are some feats that show the speed of wolverine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/a2ba2451.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-18.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/uxm178pg03_low_res.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/wolverine34.jpg

there are just some of really few, in wolverine 182 he cuts all the guns around him so fast that they didnt know what happened, in the darkness wolverine he catches a bullet with his hand, in the x-men training he dodged lasers that shor one after another, but his best speed is in the fights themselves


Namor has speed feats either better or equal to those.

And he's been taken out by punching from powerhouses before. It is his speed that enables him to hang with guys like Thing, Hulk or Wendigo.

Sadly, Namor's speed is equal or better then Wolverine's. He is also smarter, more experienced and better fighter then the previously mentioned guys.

but wolverine is much much much more expirienced then all those fighters, you got some points and i got some points, namor got the super human strength , buttttttt buttttt when it comes to expirience in a fight, theres no way in hell that you can compare namor to wolverine ... namor wasnt trained half of what wolverine did, and namor got no special skills in fighting dont even go there

Originally posted by wolvertooth
but wolverine is much much much more expirienced then all those fighters, you got some points and i got some points, namor got the super human strength , buttttttt buttttt when it comes to expirience in a fight, theres no way in hell that you can compare namor to wolverine ... namor wasnt trained half of what wolverine did, and namor got no special skills in fighting dont even go there

Namor has been trained by the best of Atlantean Army.

Atlanteans have been fighting for 10,000 years and more. They are so good, that they consider human fighting arts like judo primitive.

And Namor has perfected those skills for about 80+ years.

Don't say that he doesn't have any skills when you don't even know his history.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor has been trained by the best of Atlantean Army.

Atlanteans have been fighting for 10,000 years and more. They are so good, that they consider human fighting arts like judo primitive.

And Namor has perfected those skills for about 80+ years.

Don't say that he doesn't have any skills when you don't even know his history. Wolvertooth just got pwned!

i never saw him using any skills becides a punch ... i never saw him actually showing great skills, please.... he is no match for wolverine when it comes to fighting skills, show me some fight that he used something more skilled then a punch or something that showes he got some techniques

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolvertooth just got pwned!

you never say anything useful... dude.... why do people even bother to debate with you ....

Originally posted by wolvertooth
i never saw him using any skills becides a punch ... i never saw him actually showing great skills, please.... he is no match for wolverine when it comes to fighting skills, show me some fight that he used something more skilled then a punch or something that showes he got some techniques

Ask and ye shall recieve...

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Nobody is claiming that he is Wolverine's level. But he has enough skills to defeat him in battle with his powers.

nice features.... not really skills but nice, i am gald that you see that he cant be compared to wolverine when it comes to skills... but he got the superstrength over wolverine, but still its not enough because even if he hits wolverine it wont take him out, so the fight will go to the skills, and thats where wolverine made his name.... thats how wolverine took out all the heavy hitters ... alot of 100 class fighters ... this is where he is the daddy .... his claws + his great speed in fighting + his skills and fighting techniques = namor got trouble

Originally posted by wolvertooth
nice features.... not really skills but nice, i am gald that you see that he cant be compared to wolverine when it comes to skills... but he got the superstrength over wolverine, but still its not enough because even if he hits wolverine it wont take him out, so the fight will go to the skills, and thats where wolverine made his name.... thats how wolverine took out all the heavy hitters ... alot of 100 class fighters ... this is where he is the daddy .... his claws + his great speed in fighting + his skills and fighting techniques = namor got trouble

Namor's speed owns wolverines+flight+strength+tough skin=hell of alot of trouble for wolverine.