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ok, im not really sure, but it seems to me that LT and a full powered galactus=eternity, /w/ the ultimate nullifier would be somewhere around the same level....... what do u think?

The ultimate nullifer remade the multiverse. Generally it is so powerful.. it has to be kept in 3 different pieces in 3 different universes...

It killed and remade multi eternity...

multiverse... killed by ultimate nullifer
judge of multiverse.

un kills lt.

Originally posted by rotiart
The ultimate nullifer remade the multiverse. Generally it is so powerful.. it has to be kept in 3 different pieces in 3 different universes...

It killed and remade multi eternity...

multiverse... killed by ultimate nullifer
judge of multiverse.

un kills lt. i dont think it destroyed the "multiverse" but it has destroyed the "universe"

LT shit on the big G with the UN

Meh. I still say its strong enough to take on LT.

If UN couldent be used against the wielder of the IG against it's will, what chanses would there be that it would take out the LT?

If it had hit... it woulda probably fubared Thanos... but he redirected the beam. So lets say it hits. :P

Living Tribunal, easy. He only loses to One-Above-All. He actually even judged the Phoenix force (who is a match to Galactus) and forbid it to do something, and it didn't even put up a fight, because knew it would lose.

Originally posted by rotiart
If it had hit... it woulda probably fubared Thanos... but he redirected the beam. So lets say it hits. :P That was Magus with an incomplete IG.

I thought it Quasar tried to fire the UN at Thanos.. and he redirected the beam back at Quasar?

Maybe i'm remembering it wrong... infinity gauntet with wars... :/

Originally posted by Omega-level
Living Tribunal, easy. He only loses to One-Above-All. He actually even judged the Phoenix force (who is a match to Galactus) and forbid it to do something, and it didn't even put up a fight, because knew it would lose. actually he has lost to thanos HOTU as well but a full power galactus with the UN would be much more of a threat then the phoenix

Originally posted by galan7777777
actually he has lost to thanos HOTU as well but a full power galactus with the UN would be much more of a threat then the phoenix
Anyone + full potential HOTU = God

With full potential I mean to merge with it like Thanos did.
Not hold it in ur hand like that Pharao who had it before him Akanh... (somthing)

it works diffrently from user to user depending on there knowledge galactus been around for so long if he used the UN he can erase entire time lines so it says on Wiki anyway

Originally posted by Mider999
it works diffrently from user to user depending on there knowledge galactus been around for so long if he used the UN he can erase entire time lines so it says on Wiki anyway yes, the UN destroys what its user fully understands, in galactus's hands this can mean the end of an entire universe with the click of a button

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Anyone + full potential HOTU = God

With full potential I mean to merge with it like Thanos did.
Not hold it in ur hand like that Pharao who had it before him Akanh... (somthing) this is true

Originally posted by galan7777777
yes, the UN destroys what its user fully understands, in galactus's hands this can mean the end of an entire universe with the click of a button
When the UN was fierd against Magus with the IG the UN fell right into Magus hand.
LT could easiley dont the same.

Originally posted by bigbran
That was Magus with an incomplete IG.

Awesome sig,Bigbran

Originally posted by galan7777777
i dont think it destroyed the "multiverse" but it has destroyed the "universe"

Let me clear that up for ya galan.

The Ultimate Nullifier destroyed and remade the Multi-verse, on panel.




Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

Because Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE, the only way to banish Abraxas and UNDO the Mis-alignement ACROSS the Multi-verse, was to DESTROY and REMAKE the a Multi-verse.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!


How did Reed REALIGN ALL that is? (the Multi-verse)

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

UN Destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg

Can the Ultimate Nullifier do such a thing?

According to Reed Richards...YES.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg


Now I despise bios...my claim to fame is that I strickly use on panel depictions to debate.

For the sake of those that are non believers even with the evidence shining in their faces, I found links to bios that AGREE, the UN REMADE the Multi-verse.

Several links where the Ultimat Nullifier was acknowledged as having REMADE the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Forgive me...

Magus, with an Incomplete IG, dominated the UN.


Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5366/igvsunoz6.th.jpg

Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2843/igvsun2pi1.th.jpg
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them,
Absolute control..notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.

"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8928/igvsun3sw2.th.jpg

Living Tribunal is above a Complete IG.

LT wins.

Simply amazing... (not the feats, but the fact that Mr. M can explain the same thing over and over again,) Still not many gets it...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Simply amazing... (not the feats, but the fact that Mr. M can explain the same thing over and over again,) Still not many gets it...

Don't you ever get annoyed? - This will be forgotten and ignored in a couple of week's... At least that's how it allways been.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Don't you ever get annoyed?

Not at innocence, which equals to ignorance.

But at those that corrupt innocence, making them more ignorant than they already are.

Ignorant means: To NOT know...so no one out there get offended please.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
This will be forgotten and ignored in a couple of week's... At least that's how it allways been.

Your absolutely right T,

which is why guys like us and others, should continue to remind the onlookers and newbs of the facts.

I've posted that Abraxas event atleast 20 times, and I still see posts of cluelessness, uncertainty, or down right denial of the On Panel evidence.

I now add the Marveldatabase and Wiki links, to furthur strengthen the Fact I already knew.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not at innocence, which equals to ignorance.

But at those that corrupt innocence, making them more ignorant than they already are.

Ignorant means: To NOT know...so no one out there get offended please.



Your absolutely right T,

which is why guys like us and others, should continue to remind the onlookers and newbs of the facts.

I've posted that Abraxas event atleast 20 times, and I still see posts of cluelessness, uncertainty, or down right denial of the On Panel evidence.

I now add the Marveldatabase and Wiki links, to furthur strengthen the Fact I already knew. so did u choose galactus or LT?

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Forgive me...


and it dosent surprise me that galactus could reclaim the UN from abraxas seeing as how the UN is an "aspect" of galactus himself, and while reed may be a very smart individual, i cant believe his mind is strong enough to remake the entire multiverse......and to rid the multiverse of abraxas you would not have to remake the multiverse, but rather just the universe in which abraxas was free in, and though reed does say that abraxas could destroy the multiverse with the UN, abraxas's cosmic intellect far exceeded reed's........hope that all makes sense to someone lol!

He did chose LT.
It's as simple as this:
Nullifier cannot harm the wielder of the Gauntlet, and the Gauntlet cannot hurt the Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He did chose LT.
It's as simple as this:
Nullifier cannot harm the wielder of the Gauntlet, and the Gauntlet cannot hurt the Living Ttibunal. what? was that for me?

Yes.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes. i didnt mention LT or the gauntlet

You asked who he'd thought would win and he said:
IG >> NU
LT >> IG

And Galactus wouldent be a factor because he's not in the same leauge

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You asked who he'd thought would win and he said:
IG >> NU
LT >> IG

And Galactus wouldent be a factor because he's not in the same leauge hmmmm

Originally posted by galan7777777
so did u choose galactus or LT?


From the first page:
Originally posted by Mr Master
LT wins.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and it dosent surprise me that galactus could reclaim the UN from abraxas seeing as how the UN is an "aspect" of galactus himself,

It doesn't surprise me either since I been posting the Scans of Galactus himself saying it for months, you know...On Panel.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and while reed may be a very smart individual, i cant believe his mind is strong enough to remake the entire multiverse......

Reed "very smart" indeed.

He harnessesed the Big Bang explosion of an entire Universe and used it as a weapon.

He invented a Super Canon that blasted the Living Tribunal himself, and SIX other Cosmics into different Universes.

Not to mention he's travelled the Multi-verse oh...I don't know...his ENTIRE career.

Reed was there when Galactus battled the Inbetweener and they all ended up in the Magik Universe.

Reed has been to the Micro-verse...it was Reed that discovered that the Micro-verse is not a sub-atomic Universe, but rather the entry point, to reach the Micro-verse is sub-atomic.

Who you think prevented Pre-retcon Beyonder from shattering the Time Stream and ALL before it with their spontaneous intellect,...you guessed it Reed Richards.

And if that wasn't enough,

In the X series by ALex Ross and such & such it's Reed Richards, who is chosen to be the next Eternity in the distant future of man's evolution

Originally posted by galan7777777
and to rid the multiverse of abraxas you would not have to remake the multiverse, but rather just the universe in which abraxas was free in,

Interesting...how Reed was in 616 when the UN was used, and Abraxas Manifested WAY outside 616 Universe, (in fact, Universes away).

SO that theory doesn't stick.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and though reed does say that abraxas could destroy the multiverse with the UN, abraxas's cosmic intellect far exceeded reed's........

Read more Fantastic Four issues, then come back.

Originally posted by galan7777777
hope that all makes sense to someone lol!

Well, now that I cleared it up, yea.

I showed you the scans

I show you links to the wiki and marvel site, and you come back with some of the information you just read there like "seeing as how the UN is an "aspect" of galactus himself"...

Yet you completely Ignore the part where they CLEARLY point out the Multi-verse being Remade by Reed...


ps. respect reed richards.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It doesn't surprise me either since I been posting the Scans of Galactus himself saying it for months, you know...On Panel.



Reed "very smart" indeed.

He harnessesed the Big Bang explosion of an entire Universe and used it as a weapon.

He invented a Super Canon that blasted the Living Tribunal himself, and SIX other Cosmics into different Universes.

Not to mention he's travelled the Multi-verse oh...I don't know...his ENTIRE career.

Reed was there when Galactus battled the Inbetweener and they all ended up in the Magik Universe.

Reed has been to the Micro-verse...it was Reed that discovered that the Micro-verse is not a sub-atomic Universe, but rather the entry point, to reach the Micro-verse is sub-atomic.

Who you think prevented Pre-retcon Beyonder from shattering the Time Stream and ALL before it with their spontaneous intellect,...you guessed it Reed Richards.

And if that wasn't enough,

In the X series by ALex Ross and such & such it's Reed Richards, who is chosen to be the next Eternity in the distant future of man's evolution



Interesting...how Reed was in 616 when the UN was used, and Abraxas Manifested WAY outside 616 Universe, (in fact, Universes away).

SO that theory doesn't stick.



Read more Fantastic Four issues, then come back.



Well, now that I cleared it up, yea.

I showed you the scans

I show you links to the wiki and marvel site, and you come back with some of the information you just read there like "seeing as how the UN is an "aspect" of galactus himself"...

Yet you completely Ignore the part where they CLEARLY point out the Multi-verse being Remade by Reed...


ps. respect reed richards. all that is interesting, but the scans u provided never said anything about reed remaking the entire multiverse, the only part where he even remarked on a multiverse is when he was refering to the UN in the hands of abraxas being able to destroy it........ and ure only assuming that reed was refering to "all that is" as being the entire multiverse, he never stated this but if this was true, then why would he later actually say "multiverse" when refering to abraxas, but not use that term when he was talking about what he needed to remake?

Originally posted by galan7777777
all that is interesting, but the scans u provided never said anything about reed remaking the entire multiverse,

Dude,

the Multiverse in ALL my scans is mentioned,

it was the Multi-verse that was Mis-aligned, NOT one Universe.

Many Galactuses were killed, even Roma was part of the show, (the Multiversal Guardian)

Universes across the Multi-verse were merging.

The ENTIRE Multi-verse is CLEARLY mentioned to be "FOLDING UPON ITSELF"


You sure you saw the same scans?


Now HOW the hell, do you FIX that Multiversal Mis-alignment by JUST Remaking ONE Universe?

HOW?

What?...magically everything goes back to normal, Galactuses across the Multi-verse are mysteriously resurrected, because ONE Universe was remade...

The rediculous havoc that was caused in many Universes was all repaired and brought back it's normality because ONE Universe was remade?


The series even Introduced Multi-Eternity (the Multi-Verse) On Panel, and the next page, Abraxas standing over a bunch of dead Galactuses.


I'm not at home so my scans are unavailable, but I only posted them So many times, surprise you havent seen them.


Originally posted by galan7777777
the only part where he even remarked on a multiverse is when he was refering to the UN in the hands of abraxas being able to destroy it........ and ure only assuming that reed was refering to "all that is" as being the entire multiverse, he never stated this but if this was true, then why would he later actually say "multiverse" when refering to abraxas, but not use that term when he was talking about what he needed to remake?

I could go on forever without the scans, tomorrow I'll hit you up with the whole story On Panel....

ps... Becareful picking up everything you hear as comic fact...I can see where your getting your speculation from.

How could the UN kill every Reed in every universe if it was not Multi-versal?
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
How could the UN kill every Reed in every universe if it was not Multi-versal?
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.jpg

That was Abraxas, T.


The UN Remade the Multi-verse for more SEVERE reasons than that,

like the freakin Entire Multi-verse collapsing in on itself.

It was on the first page all along,


The Ultimate Nullifier destroyed and remade the Multi-verse, on panel.


Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

Because Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE, the only way to banish Abraxas and UNDO the Mis-alignement ACROSS the Multi-verse, was to DESTROY and REMAKE the a Multi-verse.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!


How did Reed REALIGN ALL that is? (the Multi-verse)

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

UN Destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg

Can the Ultimate Nullifier do such a thing?

According to Reed Richards...YES.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg


Now I despise bios...my claim to fame is that I strickly use on panel depictions to debate.

For the sake of those that are non believers even with the evidence shining in their faces, I found links to bios that AGREE, the UN REMADE the Multi-verse.

Several links where the Ultimat Nullifier was acknowledged as having REMADE the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It was on the first page all along,


The Ultimate Nullifier destroyed and remade the Multi-verse, on panel.


Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

Because Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE, the only way to banish Abraxas and UNDO the Mis-alignement ACROSS the Multi-verse, was to DESTROY and REMAKE the a Multi-verse.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!


How did Reed REALIGN ALL that is? (the Multi-verse)

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

UN Destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg

Can the Ultimate Nullifier do such a thing?

According to Reed Richards...YES.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg


Now I despise bios...my claim to fame is that I strickly use on panel depictions to debate.

For the sake of those that are non believers even with the evidence shining in their faces, I found links to bios that AGREE, the UN REMADE the Multi-verse.

Several links where the Ultimat Nullifier was acknowledged as having REMADE the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped. u r totally misunderstanding what im saying, i agree that the multiverse was misaligned, but you would hardly have to remake the entire multiverse to fix a misalignment....... u see reed possessed enough knowledge to fix and realign the multiverse, but hardly enough knowledge to recreate the whole thing

u see, the same principle applies if your cars alignment is off and your car is misaligned, all u have to do is realign the wheels to fix the problem....... u dont have to build an entirely new car.... i dont usually use real world analogies in these forums, but i thought this one was appropriate

Originally posted by galan7777777
u see, the same principle applies if your cars alignment is off and your car is misaligned, all u have to do is realign the wheels to fix the problem....... u dont have to build an entirely new car.... i dont usually use real world analogies in these forums, but i thought this one was appropriate
If a car can kill a rodent - Let's say this is proven.
And a Tank can destroy a car - Proven

Could the Tank then kill the rodent?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
If a car can kill a rodent - Let's say this is proven.
And a Tank can destroy a car - Proven

Could the Tank then kill the rodent? that analogy dosent really have anything to do with what i said

Originally posted by galan7777777
that analogy dosent really have anything to do with what i said
Reed Programed so the Nullifier would desrtoy the Multi-verse, and recreate it, so that Abraxas never existed, in other words so all Galactus' in the Multi-verse would be revived.

the car (UN) can kill a rodent (the multi-verse)
the tank (IG) can destroy the car (the UN)
Living Tribunal can neutralize the power of the IG with a thought.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Reed Programed so the Nullifier would desrtoy the Multi-verse, and recreate it, so that Abraxas never existed, in other words so all Galactus' in the Multi-verse would be revived.

the car (UN) can kill a rodent (the multi-verse)
the tank (IG) can destroy the car (the UN)
Living Tribunal can neutralize the power of the IG with a thought. im not debating that LT isnt more powerful then the UN, because he is........ what i am debating is that reed wouldnt have to recreate the entire multiverse to fix this problem, but rather realign different parts of the multiverse to fix the problem

Originally posted by galan7777777
im not debating that LT isnt more powerful then the UN, because he is........ what i am debating is that reed wouldnt have to recreate the entire multiverse to fix this problem, but rather realign different parts of the multiverse to fix the problem He made so Abraxas never existed... So he teared it down, and rebuild it from the base, but this time without Abraxas, Reed couldent possible know everything Abraxas ever did.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He made so Abraxas never existed... So he teared it down, and rebuild it from the base, but this time without Abraxas, Reed couldent possible know everything Abraxas ever did. and u have just proven my point, one of the posts the mr. master posted have reed saying " the UN in the hands of abraxas could destroy the entire multiverse" so if reed couldnt possibly know everything abraxas did as u say, then how could he recreate the entire multiverse?

Originally posted by galan7777777
and u have just proven my point, one of the posts the mr. master posted have reed saying " the UN in the hands of abraxas could destroy the entire multiverse" so if reed couldnt possibly know everything abraxas did as u say, then how could he recreate the entire multiverse?
Abraxas kills every Galactus...
Abraxas do a lot more horrible things like killing every Reed and so on.

Reed do not know everything he did so he couldent just remove Abraxas, insteed he removed everything, so he woudlent miss anything.
And then recreated it.

Beside Abraxas could destroy the Multi-verse alone with it. - Why wouldent Reed be able to?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Abraxas kills every Galactus...
Abraxas do a lot more horrible things like killing every Reed and so on.

Reed do not know everything he did so he couldent just remove Abraxas, insteed he removed everything, so he woudlent miss anything.
And then recreated it.

Beside Abraxas could destroy the Multi-verse alone with it. - Why wouldent Reed be able to? because reed has nowhere the cosmic intellect that abraxas did

Originally posted by galan7777777
because reed has nowhere the cosmic intellect that abraxas did
He knew about the Multi-verse...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He knew about the Multi-verse... and abraxas didnt? lol, u just said yourself that abraxas killed all the galactus's in all the multiverse!

Yes... But the point: Reed knew about the Multi-verse.
So he with the Nullifier could destroy and recreate it.

Abraxas knew about the Multi-verse, so he could also destroy the multi-verse.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes... But the point: Reed knew about the Multi-verse.
So he with the Nullifier could destroy and recreate it.

Abraxas knew about the Multi-verse, so he could also destroy the multi-verse. just because he knew something was there, which in this case was the multiverse, dosent mean he possessed enough knowledge to recreate it

Originally posted by galan7777777
im not debating that LT isnt more powerful then the UN, because he is........
This debate must go no futher... LT wins this thread.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
This debate must go no futher... LT wins this thread. hmmm, why? i bet ud still be debating if ure leader Mr. master was here, but u cant prove me wrong here.....

This was a battle... LT vs G w/ UN
Everyone says that LT wins, even you admit it. - So basicly he have won right?
If you want to discuss what the UN did you will have to open a topic in the comic section.

I can't prove you wrong because my scaner is ****ed up.
But you don't know much about either he UN and LT, but the things you've learned here.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
This was a battle... LT vs G w/ UN
Everyone says that LT wins, even you admit it. - So basicly he have won right?
If you want to discuss what the UN did you will have to open a topic in the comic section.

I can't prove you wrong because my scaner is ****ed up.
But you don't know much about either he UN and LT, but the things you've learned here. yes i agree that LT wins, but that is not what we were debating just now, and furthermore do not try to educate me u have proven absolutely no points

Originally posted by galan7777777
yes i agree that LT wins, but that is not what we were debating just now, and furthermore do not try to educate me u have proven absolutely no points
How should I miss prove you; will this help Read: Marvel Universe Series 3- Living Tribunal #153 - from 1992

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
How should I miss prove you; will this help Read: Marvel Universe Series 3- Living Tribunal #153 - from 1992 y do i need to read nething on LT? i already said he would win...... i was simply debating reed making a MULTIVERSE, nothing more

wow, i can see this is a slightly heated debate

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
wow, i can see this is a slightly heated debate just a little bit, lol!

Originally posted by galan7777777
u r totally misunderstanding what im saying, i agree that the multiverse was misaligned, but you would hardly have to remake the entire multiverse to fix a misalignment.......

Who died and made you the writer for the Fantastic Four continuity?

AGAIN:

Reed says, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!

Reed doesn't say, we had to end SOME of what was, or a PART of what was.

"WE HAD TO END ALL THAT WAS"!!!!!!!!!

And WHAT WAS THAT?

Havok ACROSS the MULTI-VERSE...

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg
READ the DAMN SCAN!!!!

Abraxas casually floating around while Reality falls apart
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1039/unabraxasmayhem2sh0.th.jpg


GALACTUSES DEAD...

Here Reed say's the same thing...in another Universe Galactus has been MURDERED...he didn't just die off because the 616 version died.
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4640/gkilled5cu.th.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9793/deadgvc5.th.jpg

Abraxas kills the Galactus of many Universes
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/8695/0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.th.jpg

Here's Abraxas saying clearly that he himself killed other Galactus's they didn't just die off because the 616 version died.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7551/abkillsg1go.th.jpg


ROMA the MULTIVERSAL GUARDIAN, DEAD....
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6243/abraxaskillsromaio3.th.jpg


Originally posted by galan7777777
u see reed possessed enough knowledge to fix and realign the multiverse, but hardly enough knowledge to recreate the whole thing

Already told you,
you need to do some serious reading up on Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who died and made you the writer for the Fantastic Four continuity?

AGAIN:

Reed says, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!

Reed doesn't say, we had to end SOME of what was, or a PART of what was.

"WE HAD TO END ALL THAT WAS"!!!!!!!!!

And WHAT WAS THAT?

Havok ACROSS the MULTI-VERSE...

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg
READ the DAMN SCAN!!!!

Abraxas casually floating around while Reality falls apart
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1039/unabraxasmayhem2sh0.th.jpg


GALACTUSES DEAD...

Here Reed say's the same thing...in another Universe Galactus has been MURDERED...he didn't just die off because the 616 version died.
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4640/gkilled5cu.th.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9793/deadgvc5.th.jpg

Abraxas kills the Galactus of many Universes
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/8695/0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.th.jpg

Here's Abraxas saying clearly that he himself killed other Galactus's they didn't just die off because the 616 version died.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7551/abkillsg1go.th.jpg


ROMA the MULTIVERSAL GUARDIAN, DEAD....
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6243/abraxaskillsromaio3.th.jpg




Already told you,
you need to do some serious reading up on Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four. hmm how can u just assume that reed is refering to the multiverse when he says "all that is"? if he was refering to the multiverse why would he not just say that as he did when he talked about abraxas being able to destroy the multiverse if he possessed the UN?

Originally posted by galan7777777
u see, the same principle applies if your cars alignment is off and your car is misaligned, all u have to do is realign the wheels to fix the problem....... u dont have to build an entirely new car....

No offense, but you didn't really think this through did ya?

pointandlaughA Car misalignment...

with the WHOLE freakin Multi-verse MISALIGNED.

MULTIVERSAL MISALIGNMENT means the ENTIRE MULTI-VERSE is falling apart.


What is it you DON'T understand?


Originally posted by galan7777777
i dont usually use real world analogies in these forums,

And now you see why you shouldn't.

Originally posted by galan7777777
but i thought this one was appropriate

Not in the slightest.

He have no idea what he talks about... How many comics do you have in your possession Galan7777777

Originally posted by Mr Master
No offense, but you didn't really think this through did ya?

pointandlaughA Car misalignment...

with the WHOLE freakin Multi-verse MISALIGNED.

MULTIVERSAL MISALIGNMENT means the ENTIRE MULTI-VERSE is falling apart.


What is it you DON'T understand?




And now you see why you shouldn't.



Not in the slightest. that term was very appropriate lol...... tell me how reed would possess enough knowledge of the entire multiverse to not only destroy it, but then recreate it and everything that was in it? to do this he would have to have knowledge that far surpasses the likes of even beings such as galactus........ and no scans that u have provided depict reed saying he was going to recreate the entire multiverse, everything u said after that is just your assumption

Originally posted by galan7777777
hmm how can u just assume that reed is refering to the multiverse when he says "all that is"?

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg


Finally what does this lead to?

Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg
What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!


How did Reed do this.


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

UN Destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg


Several links where the Ultimat Nullifier was acknowledged as having REMADE the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He have no idea what he talks about... How many comics do you have in your possession Galan7777777 ahhh your leader is here so u decided to debate with me again huh? and no matter how many comics i have im sure ull say that u have many more, so its really pointless

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg


Finally what does this lead to?

Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg
What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!


How did Reed do this.


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

UN Destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg


Several links where the Ultimat Nullifier was acknowledged as having REMADE the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped. again reed never says he is going to remake the multiverse, that is just your oppinion

Originally posted by galan7777777
ahhh your leader is here so u decided to debate with me again huh? and no matter how many comics i have im sure ull say that u have many more, so its really pointless
Leader? -- I do not even know the guy, he just is one of the few that knows wht he talks about, so I agree with him (mostly)

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Leader? -- I do not even know the guy, he just is one of the few that knows wht he talks about, so I agree with him (mostly) i see, i dont mean any offense by that i just think its odd that now that im somewhat debating with him u all of the sudden try 2 team up lol!

Originally posted by galan7777777
that term was very appropriate lol...... tell me how reed would possess enough knowledge of the entire multiverse to not only destroy it, but then recreate it and everything that was in it? to do this he would have to have knowledge that far surpasses the likes of even beings such as galactus........

I can see now intransigency beginning to seep in.

You asked:
"tell me how reed would possess enough knowledge"

You said:
"he would have to have knowledge that far surpasses the likes of even beings such as galactus"


Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe..and uses it, as a weapon
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9524/reedmakesbigbang8ty.th.jpg

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1517/reedmakesbigbang25ji.th.jpg

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6476/reedmakesbigbang38sm.th.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7981/reedmakesbigbang43pu.th.jpg


Reed Richards created a Super Canon that BLASTED the LIVING TRIBUNAL (who IS WAY BEYOND the UN or IG) and SIX other Cosmics into different Universes:
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8238/reedsuper3yk7.th.jpg
It's designed to harness a being's own power against them.

Reed's Super Canon created a feedback of cosmic proportions that BLEW back LT and the Cosmics into other Universes.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9347/reedsuper5le6.th.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1729/reedsuper6iq6.th.jpg


Read Fantastic Four issues and learn.

Reed is Marvel's ultimate character.

Originally posted by galan7777777
again reed never says he is going to remake the multiverse, that is just your oppinion

So again,

you believe that even though the ENTIRE MULTI-VERSE was COLLAPSING,

all that needed to be done was remake ONE Universe?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Leader? -- I do not even know the guy, he just is one of the few that knows wht he talks about, so I agree with him (mostly)

Don't sweat that T.

The kid is just frustrated.

He continues to repeat the same thing, even with all the scans I pump down his throat.

This brings back bad memories.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I can see now intransigency beginning to seep in.

You asked:
"tell me how reed would possess enough knowledge"

You said:
"he would have to have knowledge that far surpasses the likes of even beings such as galactus"


Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe..and use it as a weapon
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9524/reedmakesbigbang8ty.th.jpg

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1517/reedmakesbigbang25ji.th.jpg

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6476/reedmakesbigbang38sm.th.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7981/reedmakesbigbang43pu.th.jpg


Reed Richards created a Super Canon that BLASTED the LIVING TRIBUNAL (who IS WAY BEYOND the UN or IG) and SIX other Cosmics into different Universes:
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8238/reedsuper3yk7.th.jpg
It's designed to harness a being's own power against them.

Reed's Super Canon created a feedback of cosmic proportions that BLEW back LT and the Cosmics into other Universes.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9347/reedsuper5le6.th.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1729/reedsuper6iq6.th.jpg


Read Fantastic Four issues and learn.

Reed is Marvel's ultimate character. u keep throwing these scans around, and though they are impressive, tell me how they depict that reeds intelligence or cosmic awareness if u will rivel cosmic beings like galactus, etc............. and intransigency is an issue, because would u just take my word for it if i said some1 like lucifer destroyed and remade the multiverse? and even if i provided scans, if that didnt say that he did this would u take my word for it? im sure u would not lol!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't sweat that T.

The kid is just frustrated.

He continues to repeat the same thing, even with all the scans I pump down his throat.

This brings back bad memories. and as i said i mean nothing by this, but thanos just comes out of the woodwork when u are on...... i mean no disrespect to u guys at all

Originally posted by galan7777777
u keep throwing these scans around, and though they are impressive, tell me how they depict that reeds intelligence or cosmic awareness if u will rivel cosmic beings like galactus, etc.............

Never seen Galactus harness the Big Bang of a Universe before.

A Big Bang DESTROYS and CREATES a Universe.


Never seen Galactus or ANYONE for that matter BLOW the LIVING TRIBUNAL away.


The Watcher, who doesn't interfere, implanted the location of the UN in the Human Torches mind, to be remembered and found, if need be.
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3114/un1qb7.th.jpg
This is back in 1966, at that time the Watcher guided the Human Torch to it's location.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9638/un2dg0.th.jpg
The Watcher protected the Human Torch in his journey through Time & Space.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2760/un3qi7.th.jpg
It was to find the Ultimate Nullifier.

Reed was the first to almost use the Nullifier, way back in FF #50 - 1966
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4051/un4nv9.th.jpg

Now this is 2001, during the Abraxas arc.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2690/un5kf2.th.jpg
The location of the UN is STILL accessible via Johnny Storm (Human Torch),

Only this time he needed a special space suit to survive the rigors of space, because Abraxas had comatose Uatu.
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6554/un8zy1.th.jpg
Reed quickly figures it out.

i see where ure coming from mr. master reed is an underrated character and a great inventor, but are u honestly going to say that his knowledge of the multiverse would rivel the abstract beings? and again the scans of reed never say that he destroyed the entire multiverse, that is just your assumption..... and as i said above, would u just take my word for it if i said some1 like lucifer destroyed and remade the multiverse? and even if i provided scans, if that didnt say that he did this would u take my word for it? im sure u would not lol!

UN was defeated by the IG. IG was defeated by the LT.

Therefore, UN <<<<< LT.

LT wins.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
UN was defeated by the IG. IG was defeated by the LT.

Therefore, UN <<<<< LT.

LT wins. yes i agree with that, but we are debating something totally different right now lol

Originally posted by galan7777777
i see where ure coming from mr. master reed is an underrated character and a great inventor,

Reed is not underrated at all, what are you talking about.

Your just oblivious to what Mr Fantastic is all about.


Originally posted by galan7777777
but are u honestly going to say that his knowledge of the multiverse would rivel the abstract beings?

You needs to read FF issues.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and again the scans of reed never say that he destroyed the entire multiverse, that is just your assumption.....

WHY did Multi-Eternity SUMMON Reed Richards for help? WHY?

Captain Universe controlled by MULTI-ETERNITY, SUMMONS Reed Richards and Dr Druid, to make them aware of Abraxas.

They actually SEE the birth of the MULTI-VERSE
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7402/multi13vs.th.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7421/multieternity16do.th.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4192/misalin3di1.th.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1889/misalin4zb9.th.jpg


nuff said.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and as i said above, would u just take my word for it if i said some1 like lucifer destroyed and remade the multiverse? and even if i provided scans, if that didnt say that he did this would u take my word for it? im sure u would not lol!

YOUR word...HELL NO.

You've conclusively proven your knowledge on the matter.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed is not underrated at all, what are you talking about.

Your just oblivious to what Mr Fantastic is all about.




You needs to read FF issues.



WHY did Multi-Eternity SUMMON Reed Richards for help? WHY?

Captain Universe controlled by MULTI-ETERNITY, SUMMONS Reed Richards and Dr Druid, to make them aware of Abraxas.

They actually SEE the birth of the MULTI-VERSE
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7402/multi13vs.th.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7421/multieternity16do.th.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4192/misalin3di1.th.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1889/misalin4zb9.th.jpg


nuff said.




YOUR word...HELL NO.

You've conclusively proven your knowledge on the matter. your word has proven nothing either, all that uve proven is what your oppinion and interpretations of the scans are, and as smart of a person as u are, your word still cant be regarded as fact when it comes to comics....... and hey buddy calm down ure getting way to frustrated over a comic book debating site

Originally posted by galan7777777
your word has proven nothing either, all that uve proven is what your oppinion and interpretations of the scans are, and as smart of a person as u are, your word still cant be regarded as fact when it comes to comics....... and hey buddy calm down ure getting way to frustrated over a comic book debating site

sign23 blah blah

Originally posted by Mr Master
sign23 blah blah your just mad because some1 is arguing with u for a change........ the fact is that reed never stated on pannel that he with the UN was going to destroy and then remake the entire multiverse, thats a fact!........ anything u added to that is just your oppinion of what he was doing nothing more

Originally posted by galan7777777
your just mad because some1 is arguing with u for a change........ the fact is that reed never stated on pannel that he with the UN was going to destroy and then remake the entire multiverse, thats a fact!........ anything u added to that is just your oppinion of what he was doing nothing more

Dude, you've become helpless in this matter, what is left to say.

You think cause you continuously refute the ON PANEL Evidence that makes even remotely right? nup

Yet, you have NO answer to HOW the MULTI-VERSE was Re-aligned?

And HOW ALL those UNIVERSES that were FALLING APART were REMADE?

And HOW ALL those GALACTUSES in so many UNIVERSES that DIED, were RESURRECTED?

hum

Originally posted by galan7777777
your just mad because some1 is arguing with u for a change........ the fact is that reed never stated on pannel that he with the UN was going to destroy and then remake the entire multiverse, thats a fact!........ anything u added to that is just your oppinion of what he was doing nothing more
The fact is, you can't expect everything to be so clear, like: "I am now going to destroy the Multiverse "
Sometimes you must use your brain to figure out what all that is actually is.
For example, if the series was just related to the universe, then why did Abraxas kill every Galactus, and every Reed?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, you've become helpless in this matter, what is left to say.

You think cause you continuously refute the ON PANEL Evidence that makes even remotely right? nup

Yet, you have NO answer to HOW the MULTI-VERSE was Re-aligned?

And HOW ALL those UNIVERSES that were FALLING APART were REMADE?

And HOW ALL those GALACTUSES in so many UNIVERSES that DIED, were RESURRECTED?

hum as i said, im not debating that reed reALIGNED certain aspects to the multiverse, but he hardly possessed the knowledge to reCREATE a multiverse, if u can prove to me where reed actually says that he was going to destroy and then recreate the MULTIVERSE, then i will appologize

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The fact is, you can't expect everything to be so clear, like: "I am now going to destroy the Multiverse "
Sometimes you must use your brain to figure out what all that is actually is.
For example, if the series was just related to the universe, then why did Abraxas kill every Galactus, and every Reed? well thanos........ when reed was refering to the UN in the hands of abraxas he did say "The UN in the hands of abraxas could destroy the multiverse" so what do u have 2 say now?

Originally posted by galan7777777
well thanos........ when reed was refering to the UN in the hands of abraxas he did say "The UN in the hands of abraxas could destroy the multiverse" so what do u have 2 say now?
And that means: UN can destroy the Multi-verse.
Did he say: In my hands it can only destroy a universe?

Besides wasent Abraxas Multi-versal? - So he could flee to an other universe, if he wanted when Reed got the UN.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And that means: UN can destroy the Multi-verse.
Did he say: In my hands it can only destroy a universe? no, what it proves is that in the "right hands" it can destroy a multiverse

Originally posted by galan7777777
no, what it proves is that in the "right hands" it can destroy a multiverse
And Reed is somehow more stupid when it comes to tech than Abraxas?
* The dude can destroy the universe with 30 years prep ffs.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And Reed is somehow more stupid when it comes to tech than Abraxas?
* The dude can destroy the universe with 30 years prep ffs. this is a dead subject, bottom line is that the thread was galactus /w/ ult nullifier v.s. LT........... and LT would win this

Originally posted by galan7777777
this is a dead subject, bottom line is that the thread was galactus /w/ ult nullifier v.s. LT........... and LT would win this
You quoted me but didnt refere to it, is this your way of giving up?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You quoted me but didnt refere to it, is this your way of giving up? no, its my way of saying that there is no point of arguing anymore, we could do this all day, but its getting old

So there is no point of arguing anymore... Is it because you finally realized?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So there is no point of arguing anymore... Is it because you finally realized? well i finally realized that this debate will go on for hours and hours, and it is starting to get boring

Yeah, for you it's probobly boring, I think I know why... Y0U'R L051NG

WOW..... that is a bit harsh, may i ask why you all seem so angry? sounds a little to emotional for a debate?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yeah, for you it's probobly boring, I think I know why... Y0U'R L051NG lol, well think what u want to think buddy, i guess ure infinate comic book wisdom just overwhelmed me haha lol!

Originally posted by galan7777777
lol, well think what u want to think buddy, i guess ure infinate comic book wisdom just overwhelmed me haha lol!
I think something in your head snaped...

You are arguing about something that happend in a comic you havent even read.
You come without proof that suports you.

Mr. M is working his @$$ off scaning pages in comicbooks, yet you do not even try to understand.

If you want to argue about something you should at least have prepared back up. And absolutely read the comics.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I think something in your head snaped...

You are arguing about something that happend in a comic you havent even read.
You come without proof that suports you.

Mr. M is working his @$$ off scaning pages in comicbooks, yet you do not even try to understand.

If you want to argue about something you should at least have prepared back up. And absolutely read the comics. im sooo sory, did i offend thanos the comic book guru?

Originally posted by galan7777777
im sooo sory, did i offend thanos the comic book guru?
Nah not really... However to me, your now one of the most ignorant members ever. In the future your statements will allways require proof.

Originally posted by galan7777777
as i said, im not debating that reed reALIGNED certain aspects to the multiverse, but he hardly possessed the knowledge to reCREATE a multiverse, if u can prove to me where reed actually says that he was going to destroy and then recreate the MULTIVERSE, then i will appologize



You have NO answer to HOW the MULTI-VERSE was Re-aligned?

And HOW ALL those UNIVERSES that were FALLING APART were REMADE?

And HOW ALL those GALACTUSES in so many UNIVERSES that DIED, were RESURRECTED?


Please, I await your solution this MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE.

And don't try and say by Destroying Abraxas in the Universe he Manifested because:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8071/mialin2xb5.th.jpg
Exactly...Abraxas MANIFESTED WAY OUTSIDE the 616 UNIVERSE.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Nah not really... However to me, your now one of the most ignorant members ever. In the future your statements will allways require proof.

Dude,

I couldn't agree with you more.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Nah not really... However to me, your now one of the most ignorant members ever. In the future your statements will allways require proof. as should yours, all u do is agree with ure idol......u provide no proof to anything u say

Originally posted by galan7777777
as should yours, all u do is agree with ure idol......u provide no proof to anything u say
You have problems understanding how it is... So you probobly mess yourself up some wierd theory in the future which contains more errors than plots in a non canon comic.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You have problems understanding how it is... So you probobly mess yourself up some wierd theory in the future which contains more errors than plots in a non canon comic. wow, well as i said im done arguing with u guys, this will keeps going all day and personally i think its a dry subject

Originally posted by galan7777777
this will keeps going all day and personally i think its a dry subject

With your obtuseness, no doubt.

Let's see how much you know, you wnated to rise the beast now stand up.


You have NO answer to HOW the MULTI-VERSE was Re-aligned?

And HOW ALL those UNIVERSES that were FALLING APART were REMADE?

And HOW ALL those GALACTUSES in so many UNIVERSES that DIED, were RESURRECTED?


Please, I await your solution this MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE.

And don't try and say by Destroying Abraxas in the Universe he Manifested because:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8071/mialin2xb5.th.jpg
Exactly...Abraxas MANIFESTED WAY OUTSIDE the 616 UNIVERSE.

Originally posted by Mr Master
With your obtuseness, no doubt.

Let's see how much you know, you wnated to rise the beast now stand up.


You have NO answer to HOW the MULTI-VERSE was Re-aligned?

And HOW ALL those UNIVERSES that were FALLING APART were REMADE?

And HOW ALL those GALACTUSES in so many UNIVERSES that DIED, were RESURRECTED?


Please, I await your solution this MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE.

And don't try and say by Destroying Abraxas in the Universe he Manifested because:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8071/mialin2xb5.th.jpg
Exactly...Abraxas MANIFESTED WAY OUTSIDE the 616 UNIVERSE. as i said this is a dry subject....... call it what u want to call it, but im done

Originally posted by galan7777777
call it what u want to call it, but im done

I'll just call it what Marvel does, as I always have, with on panel proof.

Amen... <letting this thread die>

Thank yaweh, hehe that was getting ridiculous seriously was it an argument or a friendly debate

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
was it an argument or a friendly debate

It was a lesson.

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
Thank yaweh, hehe that was getting ridiculous seriously was it an argument or a friendly debate lol, too true

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
Thank yaweh, hehe that was getting ridiculous seriously was it an argument or a friendly debate
1, It's Yawhew.
2, He was ignorant and dense
3, He requested (-and got) proof, but he didn't prove anything himself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It was a lesson. aha... i see, hey i was wondering if you could tell me how to reply to multiple quotes at a time? i always see you doing it. and it seems like it would save U from a lot of unecessary clicking of the mouse

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
aha... i see, hey i was wondering if you could tell me how to reply to multiple quotes at a time? i always see you doing it. and it seems like it would save U from a lot of unecessary clicking of the mouse

Just highlight a quote and press Quote or write:
hi (miss-spelled it in purpose so it would turn into a quote)

hey i did it.... thanks for the help

Since the UN is can clearly destroy the multiverse on the hand of Reed wouldn't it be fair to assume that in the hands of Galactus it would be exponetially more powerful?Since it's part of him shouldn't he be able to use it to even greater extents than all the others that have used it?

Originally posted by superbatman86
Since the UN is can clearly destroy the multiverse on the hand of Reed wouldn't it be fair to assume that in the hands of Galactus it would be exponetially more powerful?Since it's part of him shouldn't he be able to use it to even greater extents than all the others that have used it? you would think so

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
1, It's Yawhew.
2, He was ignorant and dense
3, He requested (-and got) proof, but he didn't prove anything himself. u see thanos my main problem with the debate yesterday was that both of u were saying that the UN in the hands of reed richards can not only destroy the multiverse, but in his hands it can subsequently recreate the entire multiverse as well........ my problem is if that is true, then that puts the UN in the same realm as THOTU, you see one of thanos's greatest feats when he possessed THOTU was absorbing=destroying the multiverse, and then recreating it........ from what was said, reed was able to do this with the UN, and that just dosent make sense to me......

Originally posted by galan7777777
u see thanos my main problem with the debate yesterday was that both of u were saying that the UN in the hands of reed richards can not only destroy the multiverse, but in his hands it can subsequently recreate the entire multiverse as well........ my problem is if that is true, then that puts the UN in the same realm as THOTU, you see one of thanos's greatest feats when he possessed THOTU was absorbing=destroying the multiverse, and then recreating it........ from what was said, reed was able to do this with the UN, and that just dosent make sense to me......
Let's call:
UN: infinity 1
IG: infinity 2
THOTU: infinity 3

With each you can destroy recreate the Multi-verse.
But for each step the control over the Multi-verse gets more perfect.
HOtU >> IG >> UN >> Multi-verse

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's call:
UN: infinity 1
IG: infinity 2
THOTU: infinity 3

With each you can destroy recreate the Multi-verse.
But for each step the control over the Multi-verse gets more perfect.
HOtU >> IG >> UN >> Multi-verse yeah i get what ure saying, but the UN in the hands of galactus this "control" as u say would be much more perfect then in the hands of richards

Originally posted by galan7777777
you see one of thanos's greatest feats when he possessed THOTU was absorbing=destroying the multiverse, and then recreating it........

Thanos's greatest feat was Absorbing LT, the MOST powerful character in Marvel below TOAA.


Originally posted by galan7777777
from what was said, reed was able to do this with the UN, and that just dosent make sense to me......

It should make sense now.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's call:
UN: infinity 1
IG: infinity 2
THOTU: infinity 3

With each you can destroy recreate the Multi-verse.
But for each step the control over the Multi-verse gets more perfect.
HOtU >> IG >> UN >> Multi-verse

I like this T.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos's greatest feat was Absorbing LT, the MOST powerful character in Marvel below TOAA.




It should make sense now. well when thanos absorbed LT he already was "part" of him if u will, thanos HOTU was one with all that is, when he absorbed everything, i guess u could say that he absorbed things he already controled, this is why he didnt sense or absorb atelza's realm, because he was not one with it, in essence what thanos did was absorb multi-eternity, a feat which in my oppinion is far greater then absorbing LT......

Originally posted by galan7777777
in essence what thanos did was absorb multi-eternity, a feat which in my oppinion is far greater then absorbing LT......

I disagree.

How can the Multi-verse be a greater feat when LT is beyond the Multi-verse?

LT wasn't part of Thanos neither was Eternity or anyone else for that matter, I don't know where you got that from.

Thanos said he was Omni-Reality, but we never know for sure, what the conclusive facts are.

Your confusing the THOU with the IG.

THOU gives you TOAA's power, NOT his status/position.

IG automatically gives you control of everything, and if one wants the status/position of the Universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

How can the Multi-verse be a greater feat when LT is beyond the Multi-verse?

LT wasn't part of Thanos neither was Eternity or anyone else for that matter, I don't know where you got that from.

Your confusing the THOU with the IG.

THOU gives you TOAA's power, NOT his status/position.

IG automatically gives you control of everything, and if one wants the status/position of the Universe. thanos with THOTU states that he became one with EVERYTHING in the omni-reality, this would entail LT and multi-eternity.....

Originally posted by galan7777777
thanos with THOTU states that he became one with EVERYTHING in the omni-reality, this would entail LT and multi-eternity.....

No it does not.

Like I just told you, Thanos said that, but we never really know conclusively for sure.

The Living Tribunal is above ALL Multi-verses in Marvel anyway.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2994/lt2cm.th.jpg

Omni-verse = ALL Multi-verses in Marvel

Originally posted by Mr Master
No it does not.

Like I just told you, Thanos said that, but we never really know conclusively for sure.

The Living Tribunal is above ALL Multi-verses in Marvel anyway.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2994/lt2cm.th.jpg

Omni-verse = ALL Multi-verses in Marvel then if LT is above and outside of the multiverse how was he absorbed by thanos, but warlock was safe in atelza's realm which is also outside of the multiverse?

LT.

okay.... now i'm confused i thought the omni-verse is the multiverse of DC and Marvel combined confused1 ehh...

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
okay.... now i'm confused i thought the omni-verse is the multiverse of DC and Marvel combined confused1 ehh...
Omni-verse is not just Marvel and DC, but also every other comics and manga as well... And yes even this universe.
Because if the Universe is truley unlimited than everything that is possible happneds in a timeline.
Ect. But when they refere to "omni" all in a comic they refere to hats all to them (the Multi-verse in this case)

Originally posted by galan7777777
then if LT is above and outside of the multiverse how was he absorbed by thanos, but warlock was safe in atelza's realm which is also outside of the multiverse?

Simple.

Because LT actually battled Thanos within the Multi-verse.

Unlike Atleza, who is OUTSIDE the Multi-verse like every other Universal Anchor.
And Death, who's Concept emcompasses ALL Multi-verses.

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
okay.... now i'm confused i thought the omni-verse is the multiverse of DC and Marvel combined confused1 ehh...

In Marvel Comics there exists more than one reality, more than one universe, and more than one Earth.

In fact, there is a seemingly unlimited number of parallel dimensions in which some events played out different than in the mainstream universe creating an alternate reality.

Some of these other realities may seem very similar to the known universe, others differ very much. All of these universes together make up the Omniverse.

The multitude of alternate Earths / realities are watched over by Merlin and his daughter Roma from Otherworld.

They named Opal Luna Saturnyne as Omniversal Majestrix to govern all these universes and oversee their progress.