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except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

Only if you only read a few DC comics. There are plenty of low powered heroes.

Nightwing
Green Arrow
Ravager
Blue devil
Robin

I kinda agree with The-Jugde. JLA, for example, is just a collection of their toughest heroes, what's the point of having a hero team with multiple Class100 guys, loads of people exceeding the speed of light and asskickers who can do pretty much anything you can come up with? That's why I don't like JLA, it's too homogenous...

Nightwing
Green Arrow
Ravager
Blue devil
Robin

not many,,, and robin is a sidekick from batman

they got loads, mr atom, tornado, mr...escape anything guy, plastic man, some of these guys do have good showings, but they got some god aweful showings, jsut to remind you they are no wonder women, or captain marvel and so on

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

Marvels just the same the but instead of having earth hero's they have ridiculously powerful cosmics.

Well, at least those cosmics aren't usually the ones we're supposed to root for.











(Eventhough we often do )

Batman
DR Midnite
The Question
Wildcat
Steel
Hourman
Stargirl
Mr Terriffic
Black Canary
Huntress
Hawkgirl
Elongated Man
Animal Man
Miracle Man
Booster Gold
Atom
Blue Beetle


Overpowered, No.

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

As opposed to Thor, Hulk, Surfer, Juggernaut (TOTAL invulnerability, yeah, thats fair), Phoenix, Heralds, Galactus, Thanos etc.

Both companies have overpowered characters...

well, i know, i havent critized dc comics or mentioned marvel, have i?

i like dc, i was just asking about other thinking that theyre overpowered

Originally posted by The-Judge
well, i know, i havent critized dc comics or mentioned marvel, have i?

i like dc, i was just asking about other thinking that theyre overpowered

Only in the sense that they have powerful characters, like every other company... so singling them out is a bit silly imo...

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

Thanos, Silver Surfer, Juggernaut, Galactus, Marvel also gets carry away with powers.

...Almost forgot Wolverine.

It's not just you. Every single hero in DC is too powerful.

Originally posted by Validus
It's not just you. Every single hero in DC is too powerful.

You think? Dr. light, Ice, Fire, most of the teen titans, lot's of the legion of super heroes, the outsiders, the doom patrol and more, are lower tier to mid tier. Hell lot's of the Jla was lower and middle tier. Hawk Man and Hawk Woman. Vibe, Vixen, Elongated man, Gypsy and the list goes on and on.

Let's see, if every hero in DC was too powerful, then how come on these boards, they are constantly under rated to Silver Surfer and Thor and Sentry?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You think? Dr. light, Ice, Fire, most of the teen titans, lot's of the legion of super heroes, the outsiders, the doom patrol and more, are lower tier to mid tier. Hell lot's of the Jla was lower and middle tier. Hawk Man and Hawk Woman. Vibe, Vixen, Elongated man, Gypsy and the list goes on and on.

Let's see, if every hero in DC was too powerful, then how come on these boards, they are constantly under rated to Silver Surfer and Thor and Sentry?

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OBJECTION!!!

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It has been explicitly stated that these boards are DC biased, thus should win all battles by default!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You think?
Yes. Every single one. 100%

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's see, if every hero in DC was too powerful, then how come on these boards, they are constantly under rated to Silver Surfer and Thor and Sentry?
Pretty confusing since this forum is DC biased.

I think that DC gave it's favorite character the best-of-the-best abilities. You rarely see someone very linear with their powers who's one of their bigger guys in their universe. Insane speed, insane strength, insane durability, etc.

In my opinion, lots of the guys in DC are in no way compatible to Marvel - they're just too powerful. That's why Marvel fans bring out the cosmics to fight DC heroes. no one's going to be able to put down a man with a cape that can move galaxies around and hold black holes in his hand unless it's some type of otherworldly being.

Marvel = Great midtier range of heroes and badguys. Top tier often jobs to the street side, which is hella annoying.
Usually more traditional with the villains being much more powerful than the badguys. Marvel villains exist, because the heroes aren't powerful enough to destroy them all.

DC = Either street, or top tier. Their middle is floundering, alot. Top tier jobs at times, but only to the Batfamily. Them alone. Deathstroke is part of the batfamily.
Same reactive heroes, but many times, the heroes allow the badguys to exist and do bad, since they have a no kill clause for the most part.
The popular ones, that is.
DC, alot of villains tend to exist, cuz the heroes tend to wanna stay above them in morale certainty.
Though keeping them alive is endangering more people than you can imagine.

Marvel cosmics aren't even that powerful in relation.
The most powerful hero Marvel has, is likely to be the Surfer.

People say that they have more powerful cosmics, only cuz they are seen more.


Funny thing about DC though. They never thought to give their badguys supersets. High brick types that is.

Despero would own if he could run at mach 134 and react at lightspeed.
As would DD and Grundy ect.
But Superman and the Marvels can. So when they don't, it really pisses alot of people off.

Imo, villains should clearly be more powerful than badguys. No point in going after someone who can beat the stuffing outta you. Thats clearly idiotic.
Villains should have no reason to fear heroes.
It should be the other way around.
Because even if i can throw a punch that levels cities, if i have an archnemisis that can do the same, but five hundred times in one second, you better believe he won't be my main nemesis long.
Superman my arch rival?? Nah. Moving down the line to Superboy i'll be.

I don't have a problem with Superman physically being stronger than Darky.
If this Darky is the continuation of Kirby Darkseid, its to be expected.
My problem comes when Superman sees Darky. Or even finds out who's behind last years Superhero massacre.
Darky should always remain behind the scenes, pulling strings and other dastardly machinations.
He's like the ultimate plotter, with an unbeatable attack that he can hit you with from another dimension.
There is no need for me to leave my house to see you, if i can shoot you with a laser from my attic.







How Darky got into the mix, i'll never know.

Since when is KMC dc biased?

well, i mean, normal heroes like superman can move an planet they cant do that in marvel, only the cosmics... and spectre is realitymanupilating

This is the wrong forum for this, and has been done more than once.

Moving, and considering closing...

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
I think that DC gave it's favorite character the best-of-the-best abilities. You rarely see someone very linear with their powers who's one of their bigger guys in their universe. Insane speed, insane strength, insane durability, etc.

In my opinion, lots of the guys in DC are in no way compatible to Marvel - they're just too powerful. That's why Marvel fans bring out the cosmics to fight DC heroes. no one's going to be able to put down a man with a cape that can move galaxies around and hold black holes in his hand unless it's some type of otherworldly being.

Superman makes me SICK!! He always wins!!! But that doesn't mean marvel doesn't have guys that can't kick his butt, without getting cosmic. Gladiator can beat Superman. He's faster, as strong if not stronger, and a hell of a lot better fighter. Beta Ray bill can do it. Sentry might even be able to. Hell with all those powers, I don't see why he can't. In reality, Superman is a cosmic being tho. He just lives on Earth. He absorbs solar energy, which is a cosmic source. Many of DC's premier heroes are in reality cosmic beings,gods and Goddesses, and powerful mystichs. Marvel was just smart enough to spread thier Power houses out thru out the universe. Making thier universe seem bigger and more varies. They both have mirror power lvls tho.

Are a lot of DC heros and villans powerful? Yes

However that dosent mean they are bad characters.

Plus, most characters arent shown to be at full potential.

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?



Wha?! Batman could take out anyone with preptime. ANYONE.

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

The premise of your question is far too subjective for there to be a definitive answer, yes or no. Perhaps what we should be asking is are DC heroes overpowered to the point where the quality of their stories is harmed. I'd say no to that. Any writer worth his salt can write entertaining stories about any person/team no matter what their level of power is be it street or cosmic. The quality of DC's (and Marvel's) books are not so much a reflection of the characters on the page as they are the work of the hired talent.


For example the Silver Surfer is one of the most powerful "heroes" in comics and a personal favorite of mine. Now if he had a series that was unoriginal and of poor quality, should I blame SS and the fact that he has a massive assortment of powers or should I blame the people responsible for writing/publishing the series?


DC shouldn't be lambasted because they chose to go in a different directions (ie having more powerful heroes in general) than Marvel, and Marvel shouldn't be censured for focusing on more street-level characters. It's only a mater of personal tastes and one can find good cosmic and street level charcters in both companies.

Its not just that he wins all the time. To me its more like, he is almost always involved in all matters of earthly or universal threats. And he is always a key to deafeating the evil. Him or his millions of versions of him. One more powerfull than the other. As it stands now there is one version of supes to take on any task at hand.
I wouldnt have problem with him if DC left him at one powerlevel, and stoped altering his strength and others powers around. Plus adding new powers to his arsenal. I would start to actually take supes serious.
I mean he is strong enough to move solar systems or whatever that stupidly ridiculous feat was.

I love spiderman, but i wouldnt want him kicking galactus's ass. Or being involved in every cosmic or earthly threat. As much as I like spidey, most of the time he knows his place(and so do the writters). Thats why its more enjoyable to like characters like this(for me anyway).

Originally posted by pr1983
Since when is KMC dc biased?
Since always. Some people here actually thought the JLA could beat Thor and Silver Surfer.

Actually the only difference I really see in both companies is where the focus is placed. The Big Seven are more or less DCS focal point whereas marvels bread and butter is the X-men, Avengers, Spiderman. Both have their share of overpowered beings.

Originally posted by Accel
Since always. Some people here actually thought the JLA could beat Thor and Silver Surfer.

Depends what members are fighting.

Originally posted by Accel
Since always. Some people here actually thought the JLA could beat Thor and Silver Surfer.
Don't forget the Hulk VS Big 7 JLA thread being filled with a dozen pages of DC fanboy nonsense.

Originally posted by Validus
Don't forget the Hulk VS Big 7 JLA thread being filled with a dozen pages of DC fanboy nonsense.

No response to my post Vally??

For shame!!

Originally posted by Accel
Since always. Some people here actually thought the JLA could beat Thor and Silver Surfer.

Um

GL and Flash >>>> Thor

The Martian Manhunter is like a swiss army knife of multiple powers, which is kind of annoying. Super strength, near invunerability, flight, telepathy, psi blast, heat vision, intangibility, shape-shifting, illusion casting blah blah blah...

...and then they give him this lame weakness to fire. I mean, in the course of huge battles, you're going to see a lot of fire(s). It renders him almost useless in the face of a campfire.

Originally posted by Validus
Don't forget the Hulk VS Big 7 JLA thread being filled with a dozen pages of DC fanboy nonsense.
Some people never learn.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Um

GL and Flash >>>> Thor
^ Case in point.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Actually the only difference I really see in both companies is where the focus is placed. The Big Seven are more or less DCS focal point whereas marvels bread and butter is the X-men, Avengers, Spiderman. Both have their share of overpowered beings.

The main factor is also that the DC Universe has a lot more magic than the Marvel universe. The mutant factor wasn't enough for marvel. Jean becoming The Phoenix...Wolverine absurd healing factor...Juggernaut near invincible... and then Bullseye's adamentium? This is what annoys about Marvel. Fine, upgrade the characters...but not altering them so much.

They're cool enough without all that junk. That is why I hate Ultimate Marvel. This is the same rule I apply to DC. If they were to take Batman and all of the sudden he lifts a train or starts flying without his gadgets I would skin those writers alive.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Marvel = Great midtier range of heroes and badguys. Top tier often jobs to the street side, which is hella annoying.
Usually more traditional with the villains being much more powerful than the badguys. Marvel villains exist, because the heroes aren't powerful enough to destroy them all.

DC = Either street, or top tier. Their middle is floundering, alot. Top tier jobs at times, but only to the Batfamily. Them alone. Deathstroke is part of the batfamily.
Same reactive heroes, but many times, the heroes allow the badguys to exist and do bad, since they have a no kill clause for the most part.
The popular ones, that is.
DC, alot of villains tend to exist, cuz the heroes tend to wanna stay above them in morale certainty.
Though keeping them alive is endangering more people than you can imagine.

Marvel cosmics aren't even that powerful in relation.
The most powerful hero Marvel has, is likely to be the Surfer.

People say that they have more powerful cosmics, only cuz they are seen more.


Funny thing about DC though. They never thought to give their badguys supersets. High brick types that is.

Despero would own if he could run at mach 134 and react at lightspeed.
As would DD and Grundy ect.
But Superman and the Marvels can. So when they don't, it really pisses alot of people off.

Imo, villains should clearly be more powerful than badguys. No point in going after someone who can beat the stuffing outta you. Thats clearly idiotic.
Villains should have no reason to fear heroes.
It should be the other way around.
Because even if i can throw a punch that levels cities, if i have an archnemisis that can do the same, but five hundred times in one second, you better believe he won't be my main nemesis long.
Superman my arch rival?? Nah. Moving down the line to Superboy i'll be.

I don't have a problem with Superman physically being stronger than Darky.
If this Darky is the continuation of Kirby Darkseid, its to be expected.
My problem comes when Superman sees Darky. Or even finds out who's behind last years Superhero massacre.
Darky should always remain behind the scenes, pulling strings and other dastardly machinations.
He's like the ultimate plotter, with an unbeatable attack that he can hit you with from another dimension.
There is no need for me to leave my house to see you, if i can shoot you with a laser from my attic.







How Darky got into the mix, i'll never know.
*pity response*

Originally posted by pr1983
Since when is KMC dc biased?

Since Spiderman vs. Deathstroke became debatable

Originally posted by Accel
Some people never learn.

^ Case in point.

So your saying that GL and Flash cant beat Thor?!?

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Since Spiderman vs. Deathstroke became debatable

Well Cap and Spidey has been around for sometime

and do I even need to mention the Spidey vs Wolverine thread

Originally posted by Grimm22
So your saying that GL and Flash cant beat Thor?!?
How could GL and Flash hope to compete with Thor?

Originally posted by Grimm22
So your saying that GL and Flash cant beat Thor?!?

That's right.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Well Cap and Spidey has been around for sometime

and do I even need to mention the Spidey vs Wolverine thread

You do have a point there

Originally posted by Grimm22
So your saying that GL and Flash cant beat Thor?!?
Are you saying Deathstroke > Thor?

Originally posted by Tshern
I kinda agree with The-Jugde. JLA, for example, is just a collection of their toughest heroes, what's the point of having a hero team with multiple Class100 guys, loads of people exceeding the speed of light and asskickers who can do pretty much anything you can come up with? That's why I don't like JLA, it's too homogenous...

I Disagree. If those uber characters are being written by good writers, e.g. Goeff Johns, Mark Waid or Grant Morisson the books themselves can be sublime.

Originally posted by UniOmni

Imo, villains should clearly be more powerful than badguys. No point in going after someone who can beat the stuffing outta you. Thats clearly idiotic.
Villains should have no reason to fear heroes.
It should be the other way around.
Because even if i can throw a punch that levels cities, if i have an archnemisis that can do the same, but five hundred times in one second, you better believe he won't be my main nemesis long.
Superman my arch rival?? Nah. Moving down the line to Superboy i'll be.
.

I Disagree ..... If that was the case you would have reason to ask why a bad guy doesn't faltern a city every time he throws a punch ? IMO Villains are better when they are like the Invisible Woman, i.e. they aren't packing the biggest punch in the world, but they are still capable of exploding you're lungs from the inside out.

Anyway, I used to only care about power levels, and feats and stuff like that, but now I mainly concentrate on the quality of the story. Which is why i collect everything from the Runaways to the Wildcats.And Its why stay away from the Vs forum, especially considering the Anti D.C. attitudes that are prominent .

Originally posted by Validus
How could GL and Flash hope to compete with Thor?

*Shiffty* ????? Are you feeling alright ?

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
*Shiffty* ????? Are you feeling alright ?


Not really. Like you I've grown wary of the Vs. forum.

Originally posted by Validus
Not really. Like you I've grown wary of the Vs. forum.


U have to go on them everyday to keep up with the general consensus about who can do what. Plus there is way too much anti D.C. views, and not all the anti D.C. people are more morons anymore. Its hard to compete with people who can bring out evidence from comics that are 30 - 40 years old of characters like Doctor Strange, Odin and the Silver Surfer destroying multi verses e.t.c. I get everything i want to know about from this forum any way. Plus people who insult others when they are drunk are not popular.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
U have to go on them everyday to keep up with the general consensus about who can do what. Plus there is way too much anti D.C. views, and not all the anti D.C. people are more morons anymore. Its hard to compete with people who can bring out evidence from comics that are 30 - 40 years old of characters like Doctor Strange, Odin and the Silver Surfer destroying multi verses e.t.c.
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel. That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).

Originally posted by Accel
Since always. Some people here actually thought the JLA could beat Thor and Silver Surfer.


Ur so not kidding right? Orion, Hal jordan, and WW would put Those two down without any help from anyone else.

Originally posted by Accel
Are you saying Deathstroke > Thor?

Hell no im not saying that

I will say that DS beating Kyle was PIS, but when DS beats Flash he outsmarts him or whatnot.

Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Besides in an all out fight we all know that Flash would kill DS with ease

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

What's pathetic about DC is how they've been continuously altering and increasing the powers of their "heroic" characters in a childish attempt to make them more popular with each one's fanbase. The problem is that they are doing it to a lot of their characters which deadens the effect and then requires even more powering up. It's almost like a competition within DC to see who can make their character stand out the most using power boosts. Marvel has started doing this lately with some of their idiotic characters like sentry, genis, etc.. The 80's was the worst period for marvel with really disgusting characters like molecule man and the beyonder becoming very prominent. Just disgusting writing. They've improved a lot since then and (on the whole) seem headed in the right direction. But I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur so not kidding right? Orion, Hal jordan, and WW would put Those two down without any help from anyone else.
Get that DC bias out of here.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Hell no im not saying that

I will say that DS beating Kyle was PIS, but when DS beats Flash he outsmarts him or whatnot.

Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Besides in an all out fight we all know that Flash would kill DS with ease
I've yet to see any evidence GL or Flash can handle the likes of Deathstroke, much less Thor.

Originally posted by Validus
That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).
You're right. This is actually pretty fun.

Originally posted by Validus
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel.

I agree .... but i dont really post scans , I just recollect what ive seen previously. But 'I tend to reject feats of such ridiculous power from both companies (From non Abstract characters) as they are not consistent with their normal/regular performances.


Originally posted by Validus
That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).

I used to do that a lot but i gets very old very quickly, and Whirly was only person who enjoyed, it any way. Thats why i made a conscious decision to avoid the vrs thread. Infact the only reason i come on this thread is to see scans of comics that are newly realeased or to find out rumours about fourthcoming events. I find real life to a LOT more enjoyable than this Cyber crap.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
What's pathetic about DC is how they've been continuously altering and increasing the powers of their "heroic" characters in a childish attempt to make them more popular with each one's fanbase. The problem is that they are doing it to a lot of their characters which deadens the effect and then requires even more powering up. It's almost like a competition within DC to see who can make their character stand out the most using power boosts. Marvel has started doing this lately with some of their idiotic characters like sentry, genis, etc.. The 80's was the worst period for marvel with really disgusting characters like molecule man and the beyonder becoming very prominent. Just disgusting writing. They've improved a lot since then and (on the whole) seem headed in the right direction. But I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up.

Good post and i entirely agree ... Although power Inflation (What you describing above) is good when done Well. Grant Morisson and Warren Ellis, and the Great allan Moore are brilliant at it. Miller and Bendis are not.

Originally posted by Validus
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel. That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).

In truth, it sometimes comes out when going against people who don't read the comics, but only skim forums.
It hurts the debates.
And Flash and GL are hella powerful.
I just don't see them being the deciding factors when taking on Odin and the like. What they bring to the table together though, is hella impressive.

And do you see me as anti DC??
Cuz i'd like to think i'm not.

Just anti Jobber auras.

Originally posted by Validus
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel. That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).

That's true, and yet some of them are so quick to accept Hulk punching an asteroid twice the size of Earth.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I Disagree ..... If that was the case you would have reason to ask why a bad guy doesn't faltern a city every time he throws a punch ? IMO Villains are better when they are like the Invisible Woman, i.e. they aren't packing the biggest punch in the world, but they are still capable of exploding you're lungs from the inside out.

Anyway, I used to only care about power levels, and feats and stuff like that, but now I mainly concentrate on the quality of the story. Which is why i collect everything from the Runaways to the Wildcats.And Its why stay away from the Vs forum, especially considering the Anti D.C. attitudes that are prominent .

The biggest problem imo, with villains existing because heroes don't wanna cross a line, makes the hero the ultimate badguy in the overall picture.

Lets say DC does close down, and decided to impart a list of people/beings killed by each baddie.

When you have a character like the joker, who took control of reality and wasn't killed after the day was saved, somethings wrong.

When someone like that can kill trillions on a whim, and you decide not to cross a line, you stop being the hero.

Heros don't kill true. Heroes don't kill win millions are at stake?? False.

Fukk Batman for not snapping the Jokers neck after he killed Jason, when if he'd done so, it would've saved countless lives.

If he loved Gotham and its citizens, then he'd make the sacrifice for its greater good. Cuz love is sacrifice.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The biggest problem imo, with villains existing because heroes don't wanna cross a line, makes the hero the ultimate badguy in the overall picture.

Lets say DC does close down, and decided to impart a list of people/beings killed by each baddie.

When you have a character like the joker, who took control of reality and wasn't killed after the day was saved, somethings wrong.

When someone like that can kill trillions on a whim, and you decide not to cross a line, you stop being the hero.

Heros don't kill true. Heroes don't kill win millions are at stake?? False.

Fukk Batman for not snapping the Jokers neck after he killed Jason, when if he'd done so, it would've saved countless lives.

If he loved Gotham and its citizens, then he'd make the sacrifice for its greater good. Cuz love is sacrifice.

The reason this doesn't occur is simply because villains become popular with people reading the comics. It would be a bad strategical move on their part to take away a villain permanently. Think about it; comic sales would drop massively. If you want to go by that logic, Batman should've killed Joker 40 or so years ago. The same goes basically for everybody's villain. If a specific villain goes down for good, then the fans get pissy. It's simply for comic sales.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
The 80's was the worst period for marvel with really disgusting characters like molecule man and the beyonder becoming very prominent. Just disgusting writing. They've improved a lot since then and (on the whole) seem headed in the right direction. But I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up.

They already did with Spiderman secret identity.

Originally posted by batdude123
The reason this doesn't occur is simply because villains become popular with people reading the comics. It would be a bad strategical move on their part to take away a villain permanently. Think about it; comic sales would drop massively. If you want to go by that logic, Batman should've killed Joker 40 or so years ago. The same goes basically for everybody's villain. If a specific villain goes down for good, then the fans get pissy. It's simply for comic sales.

Ain't a dummy bruh. I know why.
I just wish they'd show some creativity and TRY to make a plausible resolution to the joker situation.
Even if it was doomed to fail due to character popularity.

Like have Gordon or whoevers the commish currently, turn a blind eye to a plot to get the joker shanked or shot.
Just don't tell me that after he takes over reality, they send him back to Arkham.
Don't give me that.

Originally posted by Tron
That's true, and yet some of them are so quick to accept Hulk punching an asteroid twice the size of Earth.
True, although the annoying thing is that no matter how much proof I post, there are several who'll say he doesn't have limitless strength because blah, blah, blah...

Originally posted by UniOmni
In truth, it sometimes comes out when going against people who don't read the comics, but only skim forums.
It hurts the debates.
And Flash and GL are hella powerful.
I just don't see them being the deciding factors when taking on Odin and the like. What they bring to the table together though, is hella impressive.

And do you see me as anti DC??
Cuz i'd like to think i'm not.

Just anti Jobber auras.
Flash and GL are just examples. I could apply that to any DC character. This thread is about overpowered DC characters yet it takes the Big 7 JLA + an extra GL to convincingly beat Surfer on the forum.

And no you're not Anti-DC.

Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?

superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwoman

and so on

This thread is garbage.

I like how in one thread, someone says dc's characters are over powered, but in another thread, the jla can't beat silver surfer and thor, but no one is biased against DC on the versus threads, even tho DC is over powered but they can loose to thor and silver surfer. JEEZ

Originally posted by Accel
Since always. Some people here actually thought the JLA could beat Thor and Silver Surfer.

Your level of over-sarcasm sickens me...

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Since Spiderman vs. Deathstroke became debatable

Its a better match than Cap v Spidey...

Originally posted by Validus
Flash and GL are just examples. I could apply that to any DC character. This thread is about overpowered DC characters yet it takes the Big 7 JLA + an extra GL to convincingly beat Surfer on the forum.

And no you're not Anti-DC.

Don't forget Thor...

Originally posted by UniOmni
The biggest problem imo, with villains existing because heroes don't wanna cross a line, makes the hero the ultimate badguy in the overall picture.

Lets say DC does close down, and decided to impart a list of people/beings killed by each baddie.

When you have a character like the joker, who took control of reality and wasn't killed after the day was saved, somethings wrong.

When someone like that can kill trillions on a whim, and you decide not to cross a line, you stop being the hero.

Heros don't kill true. Heroes don't kill win millions are at stake?? False.

Fukk Batman for not snapping the Jokers neck after he killed Jason, when if he'd done so, it would've saved countless lives.

If he loved Gotham and its citizens, then he'd make the sacrifice for its greater good. Cuz love is sacrifice.

Batman wont kill joker or any of his villans because if he crosses that line, then in a sense, he is no better than Joker

Originally posted by Grimm22
Batman wont kill joker or any of his villans because if he crosses that line, then in a sense, he is no better than Joker

Yet, Joker lives to kill more people. Sounds kind of selfish to me.

Just throwing that out there...

Originally posted by UniOmni
The biggest problem imo, with villains existing because heroes don't wanna cross a line, makes the hero the ultimate badguy in the overall picture.

Lets say DC does close down, and decided to impart a list of people/beings killed by each baddie.

When you have a character like the joker, who took control of reality and wasn't killed after the day was saved, somethings wrong.

When someone like that can kill trillions on a whim, and you decide not to cross a line, you stop being the hero.

Heros don't kill true. Heroes don't kill win millions are at stake?? False.

Fukk Batman for not snapping the Jokers neck after he killed Jason, when if he'd done so, it would've saved countless lives.

If he loved Gotham and its citizens, then he'd make the sacrifice for its greater good. Cuz love is sacrifice.

I agree .... Especially seeing Bats and co are partially responsible for creating monsters like the Joker in the first place. If Bats hadn't got involved, would a swat Team have just killed him years ago ? This is issue that is addressed a lot in the Authority and to a lesser extent in Supreme Power. In Authority they really do not give a **** about the Sanctity of life. Their message is, If U cross the line, we are going to .... the problem is it kills potentially brilliant bad guys. I.e. Benedix ... what his name, in the recent 'Revolutions' arc. He'd give Doom a serious run foir his money, but the guy has been killed twice. It would be a serious barrel scrape to bring him back again.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I like how in one thread, someone says dc's characters are over powered, but in another thread, the jla can't beat silver surfer and thor, but no one is biased against DC on the versus threads, even tho DC is over powered but they can loose to thor and silver surfer. JEEZ

Totally agreed ... Although I doubt that people like that believe both statements, they just state both due their Anti DC beliefs.

Originally posted by Tron
Yet, Joker lives to kill more people. Sounds kind of selfish to me.

Just throwing that out there...

Ugh this is just like when I try to debate myself on the death penatly

Originally posted by Tron
Yet, Joker lives to kill more people. Sounds kind of selfish to me.

Just throwing that out there...

Comic book sales. 'Nuff said. They aren't going to kill him after 65 years of him being around.

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Originally posted by Validus
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They are overpowered. I mean Superman basically has EVERY superpower short of mind control. I mean they had to create a fake rock in order to make him seem beatable. Martian Munhunter is basically Superman WITH mind control. Wonder Woman is basically a female Superman. Flash not only moves faster than the speed of light (even faster than Superman) but he has an infinite mass punch too? Batman even with no powers is written as a guy who can beat ANYONE given enough time to prepare for it. Add in guys like Karate Kid, Black Atom, Green Lantern, Dr. Manhattan, etc. It makes you wonder how can guys with Superhuman EVERYTHING even lose in a fight. Its almost a broken philosophy.

Current DCnU top tiers are generally less powerful. There are exceptions, though.

DC has created a whole army of Firestorms, Captain Atom is more powerful, Enchantress seems more powerful, but Mordru seems less powerful as does most of the mages they have introduced.

Originally posted by society619
They are overpowered. I mean Superman basically has EVERY superpower short of mind control. I mean they had to create a fake rock in order to make him seem beatable. Martian Munhunter is basically Superman WITH mind control. Wonder Woman is basically a female Superman. Flash not only moves faster than the speed of light (even faster than Superman) but he has an infinite mass punch too? Batman even with no powers is written as a guy who can beat ANYONE given enough time to prepare for it. Add in guys like Karate Kid, Black Atom, Green Lantern, Dr. Manhattan, etc. It makes you wonder how can guys with Superhuman EVERYTHING even lose in a fight. Its almost a broken philosophy.

Not to be crass, but... Do you even read these characters?

Also, who the hell is Black Atom?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not to be crass, but... Do you even read these characters?

Also, who the hell is Black Atom?

Black Adam w/Atom's powers. He shrinks, goes inside your head, and then rips your brain out