Thor (vs) Superman

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Soujaboy
No Superspeed!(That means no speedblitz)

Who would win between the two if all powers are available except Superspeed?

I got this from the New SS vs Supes thread eek!

Lucid Lui
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2. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/233/thorvsupes025np.jpg
3. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5544/thorvsupes038ob.jpg
4. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9303/thorvsupes042sk.jpg

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
1. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2654/thorvsupes017eg.jpg
2. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/233/thorvsupes025np.jpg
3. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5544/thorvsupes038ob.jpg
4. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9303/thorvsupes042sk.jpg

That how it should have been no expression

laughing laughing laughing laughing

What If...
Thor destroys 9/10.







10/10.

Inhuman
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
1. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2654/thorvsupes017eg.jpg
2. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/233/thorvsupes025np.jpg
3. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5544/thorvsupes038ob.jpg
4. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9303/thorvsupes042sk.jpg

excellent smile

snoopdogg
I don't recall Superman using superspeed the last time he kayoed Thor. confused

badabing
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
1. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2654/thorvsupes017eg.jpg
2. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/233/thorvsupes025np.jpg
3. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5544/thorvsupes038ob.jpg
4. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9303/thorvsupes042sk.jpg
Good stuff. laughing

Priest
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
1. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2654/thorvsupes017eg.jpg
2. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/233/thorvsupes025np.jpg
3. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5544/thorvsupes038ob.jpg
4. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9303/thorvsupes042sk.jpg
laughing out loud
where did u get those? hilarious

Priest
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't recall Superman using superspeed the last time he kayoed Thor. confused
he used his jobber aura

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Priest
he used his jobber aura No, actually he used the Thor-buster.

Lucid Lui
Originally posted by Priest
laughing out loud
where did u get those? hilarious I made them a couple of months ago. They come in handy occasionally.

Glad people like 'em. big grin

Priest
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I made them a couple of months ago. They come in handy occasionally.

Glad people like 'em. big grin
nice job

Soujaboy
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't recall Superman using superspeed the last time he kayoed Thor. confused

I don't recall Thor using his powers when they fought either? eek!

Priest
Originally posted by snoopdogg
No, actually he used the Thor-buster.
i hate that power

Soujaboy
Originally posted by snoopdogg
No, actually he used the Thor-buster.

No actually he used comic book writers

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Priest
i hate that power I don't think Thor likes it either.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Priest
i hate that power

What? the power of the jobber aura. yes

Soujaboy
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't think Thor likes it either.

I wouldn't like biased writers either. no

snoopdogg
Why doesn't Thor have a jobber aura?

Soujaboy
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Why doesn't Thor have a jobber aura?

I don't no, maybe because Marvel allows him to lose fights whistle

badabing
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Why doesn't Thor have a jobber aura?
Logan and Cap hold all the jobber aura in Marvel.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I wouldn't like biased writers either. no Didn't Busiek write Thor at one time?

He was one of the best qualified guys to write that fight.

Priest
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Why doesn't Thor have a jobber aura?
no
Thor<Thanos
according to DC writers
Superman> Darkseid
go figure.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by badabing
Logan and Cap hold all the jobber aura in Marvel.

Yes yes, you got it yes

Priest
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't Busiek write Thor at one time?

He was one of the best qualified guys to write that fight.
he worked for Superman at the time.
DC would not let superman loose to anyone in marvel

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I don't no, maybe because Marvel allows him to lose fights whistle Superman actually gets jobbed more than anybody. Do you even read Superman? I mean with his speed he sure does get beat up alot.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Priest
he worked for Superman at the time.
DC would not let superman loose to anyone in marvel Don't give me that sh!t. What about Venom?

Soujaboy
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman actually gets jobbed more than anybody. Do you even read Superman? I mean with his speed he sure does get beat up alot.

For all Thor's raw power he still managed to lose to Superman.roll eyes (sarcastic)

Priest
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Don't give me that sh!t. What about Venom?
which is why i dont mention it.
but superman fans love to bring up crossovers. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Accel
Originally posted by Soujaboy
No Superspeed!(That means no speedblitz)

Who would win between the two if all powers are available except Superspeed?

I got this from the New SS vs Supes thread eek!
Is Superman allowed to throw his cellophane "S" shield?

Priest
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What? the power of the jobber aura. yes
precisely

bigbran
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman actually gets jobbed more than anybody. Do you even read Superman? I mean with his speed he sure does get beat up alot. laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

Inhuman
That made me chuckle too. smile
I thought he was being sarcatic for a second.

Dinkus Mayhem
Thor would take Superman down.

The Pict
Superman wouldn't be beaten by Thor. Supes for the win.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Inhuman
That made me chuckle too. smile
I thought he was being sarcatic for a second.

You noticed that to? eek!

Juntai
Originally posted by Priest
he worked for Superman at the time.
DC would not let superman loose to anyone in marvel No he wasn't writing Superman at the time, in fact, he and Perez both were still pretty fresh out of working on Avengers, and likely teamed up the plot for the story and the art, while also writing Avengers. Shortly after the series however, Busiek took over JLA and continued to the story from JLA/Avengers in a story arc there.

Priest
Originally posted by Juntai
No he wasn't writing Superman at the time, in fact, he and Perez both were still pretty fresh out of working on Avengers, and likely teamed up the plot for the story and the art, while also writing Avengers. Shortly after the series however, Busiek took over JLA and continued to the story from JLA/Avengers in a story arc there.
oh instersting, guess i cannot listen to wrod of mouth.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Priest
oh instersting, guess i cannot listen to wrod of mouth.

Doesn't matter, we know Thor wins this fight. evil face

Validus
Originally posted by Juntai
No he wasn't writing Superman at the time, in fact, he and Perez both were still pretty fresh out of working on Avengers, and likely teamed up the plot for the story and the art, while also writing Avengers. Shortly after the series however, Busiek took over JLA and continued to the story from JLA/Avengers in a story arc there.
He wrote Avengers and Thor. Funny to hear people call him biased considering he wrote Thor beating Mangog and Thanos.

Skeets
T-vo?Thor buster?S shield? Yeah,thor gets stomped.once again.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Validus
He wrote Avengers and Thor. Funny to hear people call him biased considering he wrote Thor beating Mangog and Thanos.

Well if he defeat Thanos, and Mangog he should definitely defeat Superman. no expression

roughrider
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
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2. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/233/thorvsupes025np.jpg
3. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5544/thorvsupes038ob.jpg
4. http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9303/thorvsupes042sk.jpg

Awesome. Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance

Another poll, eh?

Superboy Prime
ROFL

"Thou are not the only one who can pull powers out of thine ass!"

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
ROFL

"Thou are not the only one who can pull powers out of thine ass!"

That was classic laughing

MattDay
souja boy, i can see you hate superman and what makes it worse, u obviously love thor... i can understand why you just automatically say thor will win... thou is a fanboy b.i.t.c.h of thor!

ManOf2morrow
Why no superspeed? How about no Mjolnir? How about no belt of strength?

I've been having this argument with my Thor-phile best friend for years. If Cap is worthy to pick up the hammer I kinda think Superman is too.

Silent Master
What does Cap being worthy have to do with Superman?

Soujaboy
Originally posted by MattDay
souja boy, i can see you hate superman and what makes it worse, u obviously love thor... i can understand why you just automatically say thor will win... thou is a fanboy b.i.t.c.h of thor!

You call people fanboys roll eyes (sarcastic) , at least I bring valid arguments to the table.

doctorstrongbad
Thor wins this battle 9/10 if not 10/10 especially w/o Superman speed blitz. A super God always beats a Super man.

UniOmni
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Why no superspeed? How about no Mjolnir? How about no belt of strength?

I've been having this argument with my Thor-phile best friend for years. If Cap is worthy to pick up the hammer I kinda think Superman is too.

Cap is worthy, cuz he's a good man, and a warrior at heart.

Superman is a good man, but he doesn't take joy in a fight. He's a pacifist who fights cuz he has too at times.

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by UniOmni
Cap is worthy, cuz he's a good man, and a warrior at heart.

Superman is a good man, but he doesn't take joy in a fight. He's a pacifist who fights cuz he has too at times.

No offense dude but your premise is full of holes. I think of Cap in the same terms as Superman: Both symbols of America/Freedom/Democracy and both willing to fight and die for what they believe in. Superman does have a warriors heart as is evidenced by the fact that he never shirks a battle and puts it all on the line just like Cap. That whole Superman is a pacifist schtick is a PC PIS. If he was a pacifist he would not fight at any time. A vow not to kill (and he has, Phantom Zone criminals, Doomsday, etc) does not equal pacifism.

Superman picks up - no - he catches Mjolnir, summons Odin and advises the Allfather to take his whelp home to Asgard before Superman really gets mad.

Thor...I say thee nay.

Validus
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Well if he defeat Thanos, and Mangog he should definitely defeat Superman. no expression
And if Superman defeated Darkseid and Dominus he should definitely defeat Thor.

See how shitty your ABC logic is?

UniOmni
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
No offense dude but your premise is full of holes. I think of Cap in the same terms as Superman: Both symbols of America/Freedom/Democracy and both willing to fight and die for what they believe in. Superman does have a warriors heart as is evidenced by the fact that he never shirks a battle and puts it all on the line just like Cap. That whole Superman is a pacifist schtick is a PC PIS. If he was a pacifist he would not fight at any time. A vow not to kill (and he has, Phantom Zone criminals, Doomsday, etc) does not equal pacifism.

Superman picks up - no - he catches Mjolnir, summons Odin and advises the Allfather to take his whelp home to Asgard before Superman really gets mad.

Thor...I say thee nay.

You'd be right, if the world existed in solely black and white.
It doesn't, and sometimes for the greater good, a bit of evil must be done.
Superman gets that.
Can't you?

darthgoober
What is all this talk about Supes getting hold of Thor's hammer? JLA/Acengers(I know it's a crossover but it's cannon), Supes IS able to use the hammer WITH THOR"S CONCENT, but at the end of the issue, he can't anymore. Don't get me wrong, I think Supes would take a slight majority, but it wouldn't be because of that.

PS. I know that it's only cannon for sure in DC, but that means that it's cannon to Superman.

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by UniOmni
You'd be right, if the world existed in solely black and white.
It doesn't, and sometimes for the greater good, a bit of evil must be done.
Superman gets that.
Can't you?

I suppose I would, if you were making sense. WTF has a bit of evil being done have to do with this?

roughrider
I don't care about this spec that Supes can't use superspeed. I think Thor can win even if he uses it.
Let Supes use everything he has, or make Thor give up something, just to be fair.

bigbran
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Well if he defeat Thanos, and Mangog he should definitely defeat Superman. no expression Superman doesn't have a huge mouth to shoot a blast down in there.(Gogman)
He also doesn't have the Odin power.(Thandog)
So, ya.

Jesse7
Well Supes has one shot Thor before and then proceeded to walk away as though he wasn't fatigued or hurt....my dials go up to 11...

bigbran
Originally posted by Jesse7
Well Supes has one shot Thor before and then proceeded to walk away as though he wasn't fatigued or hurt....my dials go up to 11... And then got tooken down. He was tired.

And crossover.

UniOmni
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
I suppose I would, if you were making sense. WTF has a bit of evil being done have to do with this?

You denied that Superman is a pacifist.
Surfer is the definition of pacifist, but he's been in battles galore.
He doesn't like to fight, and neither does Superman.

Cap has the warriors spirit. Superman is a warrior by circumstance.
No comparison.

Jesse7
Originally posted by bigbran
And then got tooken down. He was tired.

And crossover.

Taken down?

And it being a crossover means what? This crossover is cannon by both Marvel and DC

the Darkone
Originally posted by Validus
He wrote Avengers and Thor. Funny to hear people call him biased considering he wrote Thor beating Mangog and Thanos.

uh no, it was jurgens who wrote that story arc.

bigbran
Originally posted by Jesse7
Taken down?

And it being a crossover means what? This crossover is cannon by both Marvel and DC Ya he got tooken down by Wonder Man, Iron man, and 2 others.

It being a crossover means, that it's basically shit, that is canon.

I'm not arguing anout the decision, but what I am saying is that Thor should never be one shotted by Supes.
Saying Thor gets one shotted, when hes aware, is like saying, Wolverine could cut Ultron in half.

Validus
Originally posted by the Darkone
uh no, it was jurgens who wrote that story arc.
Well, shit.

Jesse7
Originally posted by bigbran
Ya he got tooken down by Wonder Man, Iron man, and 2 others.

It being a crossover means, that it's basically shit, that is canon.

I'm not arguing anout the decision, but what I am saying is that Thor should never be one shotted by Supes.
Saying Thor gets one shotted, when hes aware, is like saying, Wolverine could cut Ultron in half.

Well bigbran....it happened...and it was cannon...you may not like it, but Supes ko'ed Thor.

bigbran
Originally posted by Jesse7
Well bigbran....it happened...and it was cannon...you may not like it, but Supes ko'ed Thor. And Superman gets taken down by gas stations.
Like it or not, it happened.

Superboy Prime
Stop acting like babies.


baby

bigbran
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Stop acting like babies.


baby I'm not ze baby.

And I know Jesse counts every action as canon, so I have to use examples of Superman getting taken down to get through to he/she/it.

Jesse7
Originally posted by bigbran
I'm not ze baby.

And I know Jesse counts every action as canon, so I have to use examples of Superman getting taken down to get through to he/she/it.

lol it....did you know Thor was hurt by some thing less then a gas station....

bigbran
Originally posted by Jesse7
lol it....did you know Thor was hurt by some thing less then a gas station.... Point?

I'm using obvious examples of pis, and all you can say is, Thor got taken down by less.

Jesse7
Originally posted by bigbran
Point?

I'm using obvious examples of pis, and all you can say is, Thor got taken down by less.

lol your calling a cannon cross over, in where Thor was ko'ed by supes, PIS.

It seems more like you just dont like that Thor was ko'ed by supes, wasn't PIS, just the way the comic turned out, Supes came out over Thor.

bigbran
Originally posted by Jesse7
lol your calling a cannon cross over, in where Thor was ko'ed by supes, PIS.

It seems more like you just dont like that Thor was ko'ed by supes, wasn't PIS, just the way the comic turned out, Supes came out over Thor. I already said, Superman could beat him, I really have no idea of what your arguing for. Just for the sake of arguing?
Or could it be, that you accept, Thor getting one punched, as a non pis feat.
You don't know Thor if thats the case.

Jesse7
Originally posted by bigbran
I already said, Superman could beat him, I really have no idea of what your arguing for. Just for the sake of arguing?
Or could it be, that you accept, Thor getting one punched, as a non pis feat.
You don't know Thor if thats the case.

sight, its obvious you just hold thor in higher esteem then superman of course your going to call it pis.

bigbran
Originally posted by Jesse7
sight, its obvious you just hold thor in higher esteem then superman of course your going to call it pis. So basically you think Supes is going to one punch Thor? Especially when hes paying attention?
Ya....

I already said the outcome was right, but the one punch wasn't, what more do you want?

Silent Master
Originally posted by Jesse7
Taken down?

And it being a crossover means what? This crossover is cannon by both Marvel and DC

Marvel hasn't mentioned the crossover in a comic, so it's not yet canon for them.

Jesse7
Originally posted by Silent Master
Marvel hasn't mentioned the crossover in a comic, so it's not yet canon for them.

It is cannon for them, check the game masters bio.

Silent Master
What comic was the crossover mentioned in?

bigbran
Originally posted by Silent Master
What comic was the crossover mentioned in? Never.

Jesse7
Originally posted by bigbran
Never.

but its still cannon, because...its in the game master bio.

Silent Master
It's not canon unless it's in an in-continuity comic.

UniOmni
Originally posted by Silent Master
What comic was the crossover mentioned in?

It's canon for DC.
That we know.

But the measuring stick that is always used, ie comic continuity mentioning it, is disregarded in this instance.

Handbook evidence is whats reinforcing the legitness of the story.

Though handbooks are never the authority, but used only when backing up whats shown in comics.

MJOILNIR
Its always been kinda hard to understand the contenuity of that crossover since Thor in marvel at the time was not even classic Thor.

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
I've been having this argument with my Thor-phile best friend for years. If Cap is worthy to pick up the hammer I kinda think Superman is too.

whistle

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Superman Wields Mjolnir to win a 1,000 year war in Asgard along with WW.

This while keeping his oath to his wife, and his oath not to kill.

As we all know, these are all magical beings.... including the DC Thor who can apparently grant wishes...

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
whistle

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Superman Wields Mjolnir to win a 1,000 year war in Asgard along with WW.

This while keeping his oath to his wife, and his oath not to kill.

As we all know, these are all magical beings.... including the DC Thor who can apparently grant wishes...

Is there any proof that DC Thor is on the same lv as Marvel Classic Thor?

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's not canon unless it's in an in-continuity comic.

yes

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by UniOmni
You denied that Superman is a pacifist.
Surfer is the definition of pacifist, but he's been in battles galore.
He doesn't like to fight, and neither does Superman.

Cap has the warriors spirit. Superman is a warrior by circumstance.
No comparison.

Wiki: Pacifism is the opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes. Pacifism covers a spectrum of views ranging from the belief that international disputes can and should be peacefully resolved, to absolute opposition to the use of violence, or even force, under any circumstances.

So, considering nearly every issue of Superman is a brawl betwixt The Man of Tommorrow and the villain of the week, he is not a pacifist. Superman is no more a warrior by circumstance than Captain America is. Without the Super Soldier serum he's just a sickly little weakling... hmm, that sounds like a "circumstance" whereby you would choose to become a warrior. Not that it matters anyway: Cap worthy = Superman worthy.

New proposal for a fight: Superman vs. Thor...with a twist! The twist is that Superman has to wear Kryptonite underwear and Thor has the Odinpower. >>Thor fanboys everywhere are giddy at the thought of such an honorable win rolleyes1 <<

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Is there any proof that DC Thor is on the same lv as Marvel Classic Thor?

So Skyfather level deities (Zeus, Odin, etc) are simply more powerful in the Marvel Universe than in the DC universe and by extension their progeny is as well? Yeah, there's no Marvel bias in this thread. laughing

Soujaboy
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
So Skyfather level deities (Zeus, Odin, etc) are simply more powerful in the Marvel Universe than in the DC universe and by extension their progeny is as well? Yeah, there's no Marvel bias in this thread. laughing

No, but there power is depicted and given ranks based on feats. So Marvel Thor has years of uber feats, and the Dc Thor doesn't have many if any at all, it's fair to ask what puts them on the same lv. no expression

Silent Master
IOW, you have no proof that DC Thor is on the same level of Marvel Thor, so you're just going to fall back on the argument 'they have the same name therefore they must be equal'.

BTW, for those using the crossover as proof, according to it Superman = not worthy.

Soleran
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
So Skyfather level deities (Zeus, Odin, etc) are simply more powerful in the Marvel Universe than in the DC universe and by extension their progeny is as well? Yeah, there's no Marvel bias in this thread. laughing


Thor is the product of a high skyfather and elder god.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you have no proof that DC Thor is on the same level of Marvel Thor, so you're just going to fall back on the argument 'they have the same name therefore they must be equal'.

BTW, for those using the crossover as proof, according to it Superman = not worthy.

At least some of us have sense.

roughrider
So DC Thor allows Superman to wield mjolnir for a thousand years - during a time of war - and he never kills ANYONE? roll eyes (sarcastic)

How many substitutes for bulls**t can I find in my thesaurus...

Priest
Originally posted by roughrider
So DC Thor allows Superman to wield mjolnir for a thousand years - during a time of war - and he never kills ANYONE? roll eyes (sarcastic)

How many substitutes for bulls**t can I find in my thesaurus...

I was just reading the Jla Avengers crossover again. and in the end, superman couldent lift the mijior because of Odin's enchantment.
(oh and for a side note, i never realized it, or noticed it, but toward the end of the fight before thor go's down, and passes the mijior to superman, thor was fighting Doomsday. Thought it was pretty cool.)

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you have no proof that DC Thor is on the same level of Marvel Thor, so you're just going to fall back on the argument 'they have the same name therefore they must be equal'.

BTW, for those using the crossover as proof, according to it Superman = not worthy.

PIS

Silent Master
Just like Thor losing to Superman, right?

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by roughrider
So DC Thor allows Superman to wield mjolnir for a thousand years - during a time of war - and he never kills ANYONE? roll eyes (sarcastic)

How many substitutes for bulls**t can I find in my thesaurus...

So it's not possible for the Man of Steel to fight and not kill anyone? He must kill? A superhero with as much experience as he has is entirely capable of fighting, pulling his punches/hammer blows and incapacitating his opponents without killing them. No need to be a mindless berserker killing machine is there?

Priest
Originally posted by Silent Master
Just like Thor losing to Superman, right?
yes lol.
DC thor is not the same as Marvel's.
I thnk Avalon said that DC thor is able to grant wishes..MArvel's don't.
Only Odin can decide whether or not one's self is worthy of weilding the mijior.

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you have no proof that DC Thor is on the same level of Marvel Thor, so you're just going to fall back on the argument 'they have the same name therefore they must be equal'.

BTW, for those using the crossover as proof, according to it Superman = not worthy.

1. For obvious reasons DC hasn't explored the Norse pantheon a great deal but I would assume that since even Marvel's version of Thor is at least loosely based on the Mythical Norse Deity that they would be on par with one another.

2. No more than you have proof that Marvel's Thor is more powerful than DC's Thor. Whine about power levels all you want, this is ALL conjecture and speculation.

Priest
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
1. For obvious reasons DC hasn't explored the Norse pantheon a great deal but I would assume that since even Marvel's version of Thor is at least loosely based on the Mythical Norse Deity that they would be on par with one another.

2. No more than you have proof that Marvel's Thor is more powerful than DC's Thor. Whine about power levels all you want, this is ALL conjecture and speculation.
DC's thor has any feats that can even rival's Marvels version?
If marvel's and DC's version are the same explain wat happned in the cross over, when superman couldent lift the mijior.

Silent Master
Except one side(Marvel Thos) has decades worth of feats that can be posted to show his power level.

ManOf2morrow
Originally posted by Silent Master
Just like Thor losing to Superman, right?

No dude. Starting a thread with Superman vs. Thor with a twist: Superman can't use Superspeed is PIS and a violation of the forum rules: It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

If you have to take one of Supes tools out of his toolbox in order for Thor to win, well that's just sad and pathetic.

Silent Master
There is no rule that fights cannot have stipulations

Edit:BTW what did that have to do with the question you quoted?

roughrider
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
So it's not possible for the Man of Steel to fight and not kill anyone? He must kill? A superhero with as much experience as he has is entirely capable of fighting, pulling his punches/hammer blows and incapacitating his opponents without killing them. No need to be a mindless berserker killing machine is there?

I saw the scans up above. Looked like a lot of bodies lying around. Diana is a warrior born, who believes killing in combat is honourable. You think she was pulling her punches all that time, right beside Superman? Did Superman tell her she can't kill, just like him?
Bullcrap.

Oh, and Diana has picked up mjolnir all on her own. Didn't need it to be tossed to her like how Superman caught it (then couldn't lift it later.)

boriquaking55
Thor 6/10

Similar power level, but Thor possesses overall better fighting ability (no secret).

Supes has the advantages with Speed - however Thor's combination of Skill, Magic (which I hate but Supes IS weak to it), and as a last resort Warrior Madness and Godblast would win it for him.

Silent Master
Originally posted by roughrider
I saw the scans up above. Looked like a lot of bodies lying around. Diana is a warrior born, who believes killing in combat is honourable. You think she was pulling her punches all that time, right beside Superman? Did Superman tell her she can't kill, just like him?
Bullcrap.

Oh, and Diana has picked up mjolnir all on her own. Didn't need it to be tossed to her like how Superman caught it (then couldn't lift it later.)

Yep, she lifted it twice, that's one of the few things in that crossover that I agreed with.

boriquaking55
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, she lifted it twice, that's one of the few things in that crossover that I agreed with.

I agree with Diana being able to lift the hammer - lesser beings have to be honest.

I've always thought of Martian Manhunter as having a good chance of lifting the hammer as well - am I nuts for thinking that?

Soujaboy
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
No dude. Starting a thread with Superman vs. Thor with a twist: Superman can't use Superspeed is PIS and a violation of the forum rules: It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

If you have to take one of Supes tools out of his toolbox in order for Thor to win, well that's just sad and pathetic.

I just didn't restrict Superman, I stated that both characters can't move at super speeds. Meaning that Thor can't move at the warp speeds Marvel has him listed as.

darthgoober
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
No dude. Starting a thread with Superman vs. Thor with a twist: Superman can't use Superspeed is PIS and a violation of the forum rules: It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

If you have to take one of Supes tools out of his toolbox in order for Thor to win, well that's just sad and pathetic.
What are you talking about? There are thread's where the people in them are limited or powered up all the time. It helps make it an actual debate as opposed to people just saying things like "Speed blitz 4 the Win!".

D-Block
Both have superspeed but Thor is just straight up more powerful than Superman plain and simple. Superman's other abilities(Heat vision and freeze breath) are nothing to Thor.

MattDay
superman travels faster in fight speed compared to thor, it has been shown many times... thor goes down hard before he can truly block a superspeed punch or 8 to the head

Soleran
Originally posted by MattDay
superman travels faster in fight speed compared to thor, it has been shown many times... thor goes down hard before he can truly block a superspeed punch or 8 to the head


This thread stated no Superspeed

MattDay
doh! lol thanks for reminding me! well i'd say it goes from a 7/10 for supes to a 6/10 for supes due to lack of using his speed

roughrider
I don't care if there is superspeed. Thor can set up an impenetrable defense with the whirling of his hammer. But he doesn't spend a whole fight like that - just like Superman doesn't just use superspeed to end every fight off the bat.

Accel
If there's superspeed, Superman always has the advantage of knocking the hammer out of Thor's hands, like Gladiator did.

MattDay
heck gladiator is often referred to as the marvel superman, what he has done, superman can definitely do!

Silent Master
Really, Gladiator has destroyed a planet with 3 punches, can I get a scan of Superman doing the same?

MattDay
no, but superman, if you read his respect thread, has accomplished feats higher than that, who needs to destroy a planet when you out muscle war world, something much harder to do, or turning the wheels of magheddon, or beating blaze in her own realm, jeese have faith dude, he can do whatever gladiator will throw out

Priest
Originally posted by Accel
If there's superspeed, Superman always has the advantage of knocking the hammer out of Thor's hands, like Gladiator did.
thor learns from his mistakes. the second fight was totally diffrent.

Silent Master
He had a temp powerup for the Warworld feat

Later with help from both WW and MM, he was failing to hold Earth in orbit and they had to be saved by Manitou(sp) and GL.

Accel
Originally posted by Priest
thor learns from his mistakes. the second fight was totally diffrent.
Kallark didn't attempt to knock the hammer out of his hands again the second time. I wouldn't really count that as Thor learning from his mistakes.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Accel
Kallark didn't attempt to knock the hammer out of his hands again the second time. I wouldn't really count that as Thor learning from his mistakes.

Gladiator did however admit that Thor was his superior.

snoopdogg
Didn't Thor actually blast Glads with a cheap shot in the rematch? I seem to remember Glads setting down a plane or something then Thor blasting him.

Silent Master
No he didn't, Thor gave a nice long speech before blasting him, if anything was a cheap shot it was Gladiator flying into Thor's back just as he transformed.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Silent Master
No he didn't, Thor gave a nice long speech before blasting him, if anything was a cheap shot it was Gladiator flying into Thor's back just as he transformed. Well they did team up right before that to rescue that plane from crashing. THen you see Thor giving his speech while sneaking around the plane before blasting Glads. I guess it's how you interperate it.

And sure Glads may have hit Thor when he was down but Glads would have finished him off if he wasn't disrtacted.

Silent Master
Did you get a special editon issue, I have to ask because nothing in the normal issue even hints at Thor sneaking before blasting Gladiator.

Let's also not forget that the original fight started with a disguised Gladiator attacking Jake Olsen, IOW the only one that could be legitimately accused of cheap shots is Gladiator.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Silent Master
Did you get a special editon issue, I have to ask because nothing in the normal issue even hints at Thor sneaking before blasting Gladiator.

Let's also not forget that the original fight started with a disguised Gladiator attacking Jake Olsen, IOW the only one that could be legitimately accused of cheap shots is Gladiator. Go check the issue. And look closely at the top panel.

Silent Master
I have the issue and there is no way that what Thor did could be considered sneaking, especially since he was giving a speech at the time.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Silent Master
I have the issue and there is no way that what Thor did could be considered sneaking, especially since he was giving a speech at the time. Post the scan then. Glads and him just got done saving a plane as a team. I don't know how else to explain Glads not being fast enough to react to such a attack.

Silent Master
That's the problem, you are looking for a way to excuse Gladiator being hit, the fact is, Thor gave a long speech while stepping into the open before firing.

snoopdogg
Here is the scan. Well I think it's the right one.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6744/vsglads2g7tf0mt.jpg

Now to me it looks like Thor is indeed yelling at Glads but this is right after they teamed up to save a plane. But it also looks like he is creeping too. They were both on diff. sides of the plane too.

BTW I really don't like Glads but he should have beaten Thor if the fight had not been interupted.

Lucid Lui
Here's the scans...
1. http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2328/vsglads2f1mk7wd.jpg
2. http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6744/vsglads2g7tf0mt.jpg
3. http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6752/vsglads2h2dt2qo.jpg

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Here's the scans...
1. http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2328/vsglads2f1mk7wd.jpg
2. http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6744/vsglads2g7tf0mt.jpg
3. http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6752/vsglads2h2dt2qo.jpg Yea I took the one from the thread.

Do you think Glads was caught off guard?

Silent Master
If you had looked at the page before that one you would know that the wheelbase is what Thor was holding on to while stopping the plane.

So all you did was post proof that Thor did indeed step into the open while giving a speech,IOW, there was no 'sneaking' or 'creeping'.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Silent Master
If you had looked at the page before that one you would know that the wheelbase is what Thor was holding on to while stopping the plane.

So all you did was post proof that Thor did indeed step into the open while giving a speech,IOW, there was no 'sneaking' or 'creeping'. So you think Thor just stood there and basically said "Gladiator I am gonna blast you with the Mjolnir!!!!"?

Lucid Lui
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea I took the one from the thread.

Do you think Glads was caught off guard? Yeah, i do. But not so much because Thor was sneaking up on him or anything like that, but because, IMO, Glads thought the fight was over. For now at least. They'd just saved a bunch of lives, and continuing the fight where they are would just put the lives back in danger (notice after he's hit with the blast he says "your actions prove me right, proof of how dangerous you are"wink. If Glads thought they were still fighting, then he would've been going for Thor already.

So yeah, i think the blast took Gladiator by surprise. And even after that, and a slew of hammer shots it still took help to take Glads out.

Silent Master
No it didn't, Gladiator was laying face down not moving when Thor-girl attacked him.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Silent Master
No it didn't, Gladiator was laying face down not moving when Thor-girl attacked him. Yea but it took alot to get him into the position.

Lucid Lui
Originally posted by Silent Master
No it didn't, Gladiator was laying face down not moving when Thor-girl attacked him. Yet even after Thor-Girl hit Gladiator with "such power rivals e'en that of omnipotent Odin!", Gladiator is concious and addressing Odin a couple of pages later. So without that extra hit, how long do you think Glads would've been down?

However you spin it, Thor never beat Gladiator alone in that encounter. Gladiator beat Thor. Gladiator beat Thor-Girl. Gladiator lost to Thor and Thor-Girl.

Silent Master
The fight was over before Thor-girl attacked him, or do you think he was lying on the ground face down in order to take a nap.

Gladiator himself attributed his loss to Thor being too strong

Lucid Lui
Why then, does Thor-Girl attack him? What's the point?

snoopdogg
The fight in FF #338 was another good showing for Glads against Thor. Glads may job alot be does do well against Thor.

Silent Master
And I quote

Lucid Lui
Originally posted by Silent Master
And I quote For me, the fact that Gladiator is concious and moving after taking the blast from Thor-Girl, on top of the beating Thor just gave him, implies that Gladiator wasn't finished by just Thor.

Unfortunately, it can't be proven either way so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Silent Master
Sorry but it was two pages after the blast before Galdiator even said anything and another 2 pages before he was able to stand.

Lucid Lui
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sorry but it was two pages after the blast before Galdiator even said anything he says something on the next page that he appears after getting hit. Why count the page that has completely different character in a completely different place?

Anyway man, it's all a matter of opinion. And i can't be bothered going back and forth over the same thing.

Silent Master
He's doesn't talk until the very bottom of that page and the very fact that they cut away to different characters suggests that time has passed.

Another thing that shows that time passed during the cut away is the fact that before the cut away Thor is asking about what is going on in Asgard and when shown again he is commenting on that Sif told him.

Lucid Lui
Actually yeah, you're right. So more time definately did pass. Still, good durability that he's awake so soon after all that.

D-Block
Anyway if Superman used all his powers to the max and Thor did the same Thor would win he is just more powerful and that's not a knock on Superman that's just how it is.

aliveinboston
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Yeah, i do. But not so much because Thor was sneaking up on him or anything like that, but because, IMO, Glads thought the fight was over.

Are you kidding? The only reason Gladiator went back in time was to kill Thor! The fight was never over and with the speech Thor just gave how could you possibly imagine that Gladiator thought the fight ended?



What about just before the airplane landed on them? Gladiator had tried to kill Thor by drilling him through the ground before he transformed but unfortunately for him Thor transformed and was unhurt. Thor then blasted Gladiator up and out of the hole they were in and gladiator just slumped on the ground. The last thing that happened before the airplane struck them was Thor, having come back out of the hole, standing above Gladiator who was still not on his feet, and holding him by his hair.



Gladiator was face down in the asphalt and gave no indication that he was ready to stand up and fight again.

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