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It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.

naw.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.
I call bullshit. Especially since people actually implied that the DCU could stand up to Galactus's heralds or Martian Manhunter could beat Spidey. Pure DC biased Haterade is what makes up these forums...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.
It would be better if you post links to all the major battles that have polls so we can see your proof.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.

not to 'stir shit' as it were, but aren't you the guy who said that silver surfer and thor could take down the jla?

Originally posted by pr1983
not to 'stir shit' as it were, but aren't you the guy who said that silver surfer and thor could take down the jla?

NO, I was not. I argued very adamantly that Silver Surfer and Thor could not take down the JLA.

DERP lol yeah ownzored Marvel fanboys are derp heads, DC deserves better shances!


Seriously, if you cannot smell the sh1t coming off your own post there is no help for you.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, I was not. I argued very adamantly that Silver Surfer and Thor could not take down the JLA.

Good... my bad, i thought it was you...

But as to whether they're biased in marvels favour, it swings both ways imo... some days its all marvel, others dc is kickin ass... i'd like to think though, that anyone with any sense wouldnt be the ones who:



but as to who SHOULD win, that, like everything, is opinion, and everyone has their own... maybe ww CAN beat hercules, thats not to say whether she should or shouldnt...

Originally posted by Soleran
DERP lol yeah ownzored Marvel fanboys are derp heads, DC deserves better shances!


Seriously, if you cannot smell the sh1t coming off your own post there is no help for you.


And you think I care about ur help? Everyone knows the vs board is marvel biased. In one instance marvel heads will say, OMG, Thor kills superman cuz he is so much more versatile and powerful. Look what he did here, and look at this scan. And in the next battle, say hal jordan can't beat silver surfer. Even tho Hal is more versatile than silver surfer, and has even greater feats of power than surfer. but it's what ever. You surely can't smell my shit, cuz yours is in the way.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, I was not. I argued very adamantly that Silver Surfer and Thor could not take down the JLA.
And I thought you were smart...

...when?

Originally posted by pr1983
Good... my bad, i thought it was you...

But as to whether they're biased in marvels favour, it swings both ways imo... some days its all marvel, others dc is kickin ass... i'd like to think though, that anyone with any sense wouldnt be the ones who:



but as to who SHOULD win, that, like everything, is opinion, and everyone has their own...

DC doesn't get love like that. Cuz every day The Beyonder, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Thor, Wolverine, THe living Tribunal, Thanos, Hulk, Immortal Herc, Quasar, and Sentry are portrayed as Gods. While thier counter parts at DC, are down played. Some people won't even admit that ORion beats Thor Eight ways to sunday.

Originally posted by Accel
And I thought you were smart...

See what I mean.

Never noticed anything like that myself.

Personally I find that most be dont have a bias towards compaines but more so the characters. I have to admit at first I was a typically behind marvel but people like batdude, Avalon, and Juntai helped me get out of that rut.
As far as the statements of Thor vs Superman, I think most people see the fight the way Captain Marvel and Superman have fought with Captain marvel with the edge.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DC doesn't get love like that. Cuz every day The Beyonder, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Thor, Wolverine, THe living Tribunal, Thanos, Hulk, Immortal Herc, Quasar, and Sentry are portrayed as Gods. While thier counter parts at DC, are down played. Some people won't even admit that ORion beats Thor Eight ways to sunday.

Well, frankly, there are days i come on here and see people raving about green lanterns, how the flash is pretty much invincible, and how martian manhunter is sooo wonderful in so many ways...

yes, more people read marvel, but when it comes to the people on this forum who read comics and know what they're talking about, dc gets its share too...

most of the people who favour marvel more than they should have probably never read a DC comic...

Translation:

I cannot win a single debate no matter how I stack the odds, it's true I suck as a comic forum debater.



Translation:

I don't know my opponents powers well enough to win so I stack the odds in my favor ( I think) but I still cannot get a win, cuz I'm just not good at facing up to marvel folks.



Translation:

I'm such a huge fanboy that you all suck and cannot see past the greatness that is DC, LOVE the Lantern (cuz I do,) why can't I ever win a debate I should buy a cat I think.( I ad libbed the last part there)



Translation:

Why doesn't everone think DC is the bestest and think like me, huh why?



Seriously do it, do it bring back the DC equality and balance the DC/Marvel'ites!

Originally posted by pr1983
Well, frankly, there are days i come on here and see people raving about green lanterns, how the flash is pretty much invincible, and how martian manhunter is sooo wonderful in so many ways...

yes, more people read marvel, but when it comes to the people on this forum who read comics and know what they're talking about, dc gets its share too...

most of the people who favour marvel more than they should have probably never read a DC comic... Like a certain Jewish rock monster that isn't Thing.

Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.

Batman vs Spider-Man
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/pip.html
Superman vs Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t371986.html
Superman vs Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29475
Superman vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t344165.html
Black Panther vs Batman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html
Superman vs Magneto
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337088.html
Batman vs Wolverine
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t21541.html
Black Adam vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t357234.html
Superman vs Juggernaut
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411064
Superman vs nate Grey
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415862
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354220
Batman vs Namor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t361984.html
Quicksilver vs Flash
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337984.html
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407929

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
See what I mean.
Yes, yes, I get it. We need to do something... eventually... someday... maybe... ah, screw it. yawn

you're to good badabing!

Originally posted by pr1983
Well, frankly, there are days i come on here and see people raving about green lanterns, how the flash is pretty much invincible, and how martian manhunter is sooo wonderful in so many ways...

yes, more people read marvel, but when it comes to the people on this forum who read comics and know what they're talking about, dc gets its share too...

most of the people who favour marvel more than they should have probably never read a DC comic... I agree, as both gets their share of fanboys

Flash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he at


It works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry

Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.

Batman vs Spider-Man
Spider-Man

Superman vs Hulk
Superman

Superman vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer

Superman vs Thor
Thor

Black Panther vs Batman
Black Panther

Superman vs Magneto
Superman by way of speedblitz

Batman vs Wolverine
Wolverine

Black Adam vs Thor
Thor

Superman vs Juggernaut
Superman

Superman vs Nate Grey
Superman by way of speedblitz

Hercules vs Wonderwoman
Wonder Woman

Batman vs Namor
Namor

Quicksilver vs Flash
I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
Superman and Wonder Woman.

X has spoken. So shall it be.

Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.

Batman vs Spider-Man
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/pip.html
Superman vs Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t371986.html
Superman vs Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29475
Superman vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t344165.html
Black Panther vs Batman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html
Superman vs Magneto
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337088.html
Batman vs Wolverine
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t21541.html
Black Adam vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t357234.html
Superman vs Juggernaut
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411064
Superman vs nate Grey
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415862
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354220
Batman vs Namor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t361984.html
Quicksilver vs Flash
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337984.html
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407929

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Like a certain Jewish rock monster that isn't Thing.

I know i should get that reference, but its 4am...

Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.

Batman vs Spider-Man
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/pip.html
Superman vs Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t371986.html
Superman vs Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29475
Superman vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t344165.html
Black Panther vs Batman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html
Superman vs Magneto
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337088.html
Batman vs Wolverine
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t21541.html
Black Adam vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t357234.html
Superman vs Juggernaut
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411064
Superman vs nate Grey
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415862
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354220
Batman vs Namor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t361984.html
Quicksilver vs Flash
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337984.html
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407929
Things like this are what you need when debating. We who use these things like to call it...PROOF!! When you dont have it people tend to not take you seriously.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
X has spoken. So shall it be.
pray

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Things like this are what you need when debating. We who use these things like to call it...PROOF!! When you dont have it people tend to not take you seriously.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I agree, as both gets their share of fanboys

Flash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he at


It works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry

Yeah...

Batman vs Spider-Man
Spider-Man

Superman vs Hulk
Superman

Superman vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer

Superman vs Thor
Thor (f*ckin hammer)

Black Panther vs Batman
Black Panther

Superman vs Magneto
Superman...

Batman vs Wolverine
Bats (the utility belt, its like an instant cheat)

Black Adam vs Thor
Thor

Superman vs Juggernaut
Superman

Superman vs Nate Grey
Superman by way of speedblitz

Hercules vs Wonderwoman
Wonder Woman

Batman vs Namor
Namor

Quicksilver vs Flash
I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
Superman and Wonder Woman.

thx fer typin em x...

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I agree, as both gets their share of fanboys

Flash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he at


It works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry
Dude, that's genius.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Personally I find that most be dont have a bias towards compaines but more so the characters. I have to admit at first I was a typically behind marvel but people like batdude, Avalon, and Juntai helped me get out of that rut.
As far as the statements of Thor vs Superman, I think most people see the fight the way Captain Marvel and Superman have fought with Captain marvel with the edge.
Batdude?!?

*retires from KMC*

Originally posted by Validus
Batdude?!?

*retires from KMC* Yeah gave me a lot of good issues that got me more and more into reading DC. This was hard considering I have 5 brothers and all have the mentality- Marvels great, DC sucks dont read it, its gay.

Originally posted by pr1983
but as to who SHOULD win, that, like everything, is opinion, and everyone has their own... maybe ww CAN beat hercules, thats not to say whether she should or shouldnt...
Very true of course but I generally find it easier to convince people of Marvel character than feats than DC. It only took a scan of half a page to convince everyone Silver Surfer could time travel yet Juntai and I had to ramble for 4 pages to show everyone Flash could do the same. Avalon has more Superman scans than I care to count yet he's pretty much brushed aside as a fanboy. I could think of more examples but quite frankly, I'm too lazy.

Originally posted by Validus
Very true of course but I generally find it easier to convince people of Marvel character than feats than DC. It only took a scan of half a page to convince everyone Silver Surfer could time travel yet Juntai and I had to ramble for 4 pages to show everyone Flash could do the same. Avalon has more Superman scans than I care to count yet he's pretty much brushed aside as a fanboy. I could think of more examples but quite frankly, I'm too lazy.

lol, and yeah, i do agree, hell, before i came to kmc the only thing i knew about green lantern was... well, that there was a hero named green lantern...

outside of supes, bats and the flash i knew very little of dc (in terms of abilities), but like so many, the wonders of comic scans helped me a great deal... that and gigs of downloads...

DC I think isn't as commercial as marvel, and that is one of the problems in terms of readership... i'm not saying its better, just that alot of DC stuff is targeted at a slightly older audience than marvel generally is...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.

how do you use versitility against Marvel, then use it in favor of DC, you are biased, and a DC fanboy.....it's all about opinion, and if you argue against Marvel even when you know the person is going to win, you are the biased one......

Originally posted by Big Sexy
bingo

how the hell are you saying bingo and he isn't even quoting me right. Bah. ur marvelness is showing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field. Seriously, aren't you the one calling everyone a Marvel zombie, just because they said Beyonder is above Myx?
I don't think I have ever heard you say that Marvel has ever won.
When you make threads like these, and some of the comments you make are completel for Dc no matter what the battle.
You should be called what you are, but I won't be the one to call you it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down.

The forum in question is, by your own admition, a debate forum. How talented and capable of debaters do you think we would be if the first iota of evidence changed our opinions (especially regarding comic characters, hardly an exact science).

What you are saying is that you like it when you get to say your reasons, though anyone who disagrees is not correct for they do not reason in the same way you do.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?)

I'm going to try to address this "versatility" thing for you.

1) Versatility is not a power/power set/power rating. It simply means that someone has an array of powers. Versatility is not, however, the deciding factor in a fight. Take Spider-Man vs Juggernaut. Spider-Man is more versatile than juggernaut, seeing as he has many more powers that can be used for a wider array of purposes, though nobody in their right mind would claim that Spidey can take down juggs in man to man combat.

2) Since versatility has no bearing on the power of a character, just the scope of their abilities, the argument "X wins because they are versitile" is moot. Basically, it is logically unsound to say that a character of one power level can beat another simply because one is more versatile.

3) In fights where characters can be shown to have similar power levels in strength, speed, ect, the ability to use these or extra powers in a more creative way than the opponent would be enough to rationally tip the scales in favor of the more versatile combatant.

4) pertaining specifically to the fights you have mentioned, the combatants in fights that come down to "versatility" are normally so evenly matched that there is no clear winner. While I agree with you that just to say "X wins because of versatility" is lame, Thor having a bit of magical powers whereas superman has none, is an advantage (im not saying thor would win, there is a big enough thread on this one already). With matches involving characters able to manipulate matter or reality (such as in surfer vs lantern) versatility is almost impossible to proove, as both are often shown as being able to do whatever it is the plot calls for them to. Again, the fight becomes a toss up because of how similar their powers are. In situations like this, the debate and disagreement are fantastic things, as they show that we have achually found fights that would work well if done in a comic book.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility.

Since i touched on versatility above, ill just say this, because people dont agree is no reason to be discouraged. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYONE'S OPINION on these boards (I can get you the scientific data to proove this). Usually however, the more debate the better the fight and the more people provide scans and proof the more consentual common ground will form (ie, people go from "Thor whoops superman" to "wow, supes vs Thor would be a great fight, though Thor would win".

If you can make someone do even that, you are a champion debater.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win.

Yes, you are absolutly correct, there are lots of people who will run to a thread and quickly just blurt out "X wins because i am a fanboy". However:

1) Most of this is based on ignorance of the characters. The best way to fight ignorance is with evidence and rational debate. Again, dont try to change people's minds, it wont happen, just make them more aware of the way the characters are potrayed in the comics and hopefully they can come to a more holistic understanding of the heroes.

2) There are some DAMN good debaters on these forums. Yes, there are newbie fanboys, but the good ones are obvious. Look to these people, try to learn from their experience with their favorite character, but also let them be aware of your own experience and interpretations. However, it is best to not come off as beligerant. You must know how to call a spade a spade, ie, a loss a loss.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.

Not to critisize, but this is exactly what you are complaining about, people who continue to make invalid arguments in the face of better logic and reason.

Try to think of the characters as existing beyond the tribal mentality of Marvel or DC, Superman is just Superman, Thor is just Thor. Now, can the god of thunder beat up "faster than a speeding bullet"? maybe, but its not about DC vs Marvel, its about the heroes themselves.

-

Wait for it, wait for it....

Your also comparing the new gods, to the Infinates.

Originally posted by Validus
Very true of course but I generally find it easier to convince people of Marvel character than feats than DC. It only took a scan of half a page to convince everyone Silver Surfer could time travel yet Juntai and I had to ramble for 4 pages to show everyone Flash could do the same. Avalon has more Superman scans than I care to count yet he's pretty much brushed aside as a fanboy. I could think of more examples but quite frankly, I'm too lazy. Ava is a fanboy (not a huge one) but still a fanboy

He probably owns every Superman comic there is. He knows exactly what he is capable of unlike some who think he is fast, strong and can shoot LAZ0RZ beams from his eyes. Superman is a classic example of versatility and his speed and strength trump most of Marvel earth heroes, fact.

There is both Marvel and DC bias in the vs forum, why cry about it? Just a forum fs.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.


This whole comic forum is marvel biased.

On any given day there are usually 20 marvel threads and 6 or 7 DC ones on the very first page

Originally posted by Broly92
Ava is a fanboy (not a huge one) but still a fanboy
Thanks for being an example, champ.

Originally posted by Broly92
Ava is a fanboy (not a huge one) but still a fanboy

and your a DBZ fanboy.

well i think it has to be a little biased for marvel cuz, true heads know that its general knowledge that the avergae DC charcter(metahuman) is more powerful than the average Marvel ones..and the uber DC charcters are out of this freaking world, while the marvel ones, while having very powerful showings on panel pale in comparison to DC...so when a person starts a marvel vs Dc type thread, 8/10 they were rooting for the marvel charcater to begin so thier debate is gonna be structured around that person winning, and all the illogical fanboysim thereof

Originally posted by Soleran
Translation:

I cannot win a single debate no matter how I stack the odds, it's true I suck as a comic forum debater.



Translation:

I don't know my opponents powers well enough to win so I stack the odds in my favor ( I think) but I still cannot get a win, cuz I'm just not good at facing up to marvel folks.



Translation:

I'm such a huge fanboy that you all suck and cannot see past the greatness that is DC, LOVE the Lantern (cuz I do,) why can't I ever win a debate I should buy a cat I think.( I ad libbed the last part there)



Translation:

Why doesn't everone think DC is the bestest and think like me, huh why?



Seriously do it, do it bring back the DC equality and balance the DC/Marvel'ites!

A bit harsh i think ?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field. i agree with this to an extent....... for instance it is rediculous when people argue that someone like dormammu, or LT can beat lucifer morningstar...... even though evidence can be provided showing that spectre is on the same level as LT, and yet spectre would not dare to challenge lucifer in one of the issues........ and also yahweh himself has even said that lucifer is 2nd in power to only him, the marvel fanatics just wont believe this if they think their favorite character might loose

Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.

Batman vs Spider-Man
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/pip.html
Superman vs Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t371986.html
Superman vs Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29475
Superman vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t344165.html
Black Panther vs Batman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html
Superman vs Magneto
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337088.html
Batman vs Wolverine
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t21541.html
Black Adam vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t357234.html
Superman vs Juggernaut
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411064
Superman vs nate Grey
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415862
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354220
Batman vs Namor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t361984.html
Quicksilver vs Flash
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337984.html
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407929

I don't even use the polls .... Who cares who wins and looses, i just hate Ignorant blase posts that make exaggerated claims. And although both camps make them, there are more coming from Marv elites. I also tend to feel a general negativity towards D.C. and a sense desperation for Marvel to succeed. In the end it really doesn't matter, hence my retreat from the vrs forum. In the end i read comics for the writing, not the fighting. Although the standard of posting from members who are known to struck up for D.C. characters is generally superior.

Leon, Draco, Ion, Avol , X maks , etc come to mind.

Originally posted by manjaro
well i think it has to be a little biased for marvel cuz, true heads know that its general knowledge that the avergae DC charcter(metahuman) is more powerful than the average Marvel ones..and the uber DC charcters are out of this freaking world, while the marvel ones, while having very powerful showings on panel pale in comparison to DC...so when a person starts a marvel vs Dc type thread, 8/10 they were rooting for the marvel charcater to begin so thier debate is gonna be structured around that person winning, and all the illogical fanboysim thereof

Everyone loves an underdog, but why do people have to take it so seriously ? In the ned it really doesn't matter.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
A bit harsh i think ?


Maybe except some of the examples I witnessed first hand and some i was a part of so I saw what the individual was "reaching" for here.

Originally posted by Soleran
Maybe except some of the examples I witnessed first hand and some i was a part of so I saw what the individual was "reaching" for here.

Fair enough ..... A bit of a frustrated sympathy vote I presume ? Im good at those, especially when there is Best Debator thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.

It happens because most of the people posting there have either seen the Marvel Comics Movies and think popularity outweights the character. The biggest issue is the realm of posibility. I, myself was involved in many Batman vs. Captain America matches. I can provide certain observations that Batman can defeat Capt. And it also works vice versa. I read the comic and have fair amount of knowledge of the character.

But here...you won't believe how Hype the characters are transform. Most of the time is always the physical that always determine the winner. That's simply BS....many of us know Batman is a detective and scientist...he's much more intelligent than Capt can ever be. Capt is a soldier...but there in the VS. forums somehow someway he became a super genious! Woah! That's just amazing.

Any legit fan will tell you that Batman cannot lift a train or fly away. Those are not his properties. When someone does claim that he can do it is an absolute moron. Capt MIGHT possibly be capable of doing those feats....but if you expect ANYONE will belive that Capt can also solve a murder crime...I don't think so.

With that aside there is the bizarre case of Hatred directed at certain character. I don't know why this happens. I'll bet you anything that people who usually pick the loser is not because of pure reason....but there is a hatred factor involved. I've seen it...and it continues to happen. What's even worse is that they use certain arguments to prove you wrong.

All I can say is keep reading. You'll start to see somethings that out of place. Don't try to fix them. You can't change the mind of a fanboy. It's just a waste of time. Just keep posting your thoughts and have fun.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I agree, as both gets their share of fanboys

Flash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he at


It works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry

Wait, did you mean... no... i used that as an example of how dc can have fanboys as much as marvel... i didnt mean at all that it was a dc specific trait...

Meh, the Marvel bias is nothing new on the vs. forum. Our average demograph is about 15. They read more Marvel, and can be unreasonable.

Doesn't mean there isn't good debates. So just learn to live with it or post less in the vs. forum....usually the best solution is a combo of the 2.

Originally posted by pr1983
Wait, did you mean... no... i used that as an example of how dc can have fanboys as much as marvel... i didnt mean at all that it was a dc specific trait... Neither did I. The list is one of characters from both compaines and basic fanboy statements.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Neither did I. The list is one of characters from both compaines and basic fanboy statements.

Case of wires crossed it seems... i just didn't want to come across as being anti DC...

Originally posted by pr1983
Case of wires crossed it seems... i just didn't want to come across as being anti DC... Check it, half are marvel and half are dc.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.

You just figured this out... now?

Originally posted by pr1983
Case of wires crossed it seems... i just didn't want to come across as being anti DC...
Don't worry. I've had that impression of you all along.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Check it, half are marvel and half are dc.

Probably...

better half being DC...



Originally posted by Accel
Don't worry. I've had that impression of you all along.

hysterical

I will admit there are more marvel threads than anything else. But everyone has there favorite characters.

Originally posted by pr1983
hysterical
There's no denying it...

Originally posted by Accel
There's no denying it...

I love em both in their own way...

I think it mainly comes down to bad match-ups.Some Marvel characters like Iceman for example can't be beaten without a real specific power-set and someone like Superman no matter how strong or fast he is simply doesn't have the tools to win.

Originally posted by superbatman86
I think it mainly comes down to bad match-ups.Some Marvel characters like Iceman for example can't be beaten without a real specific power-set and someone like Superman no matter how strong or fast he is simply doesn't have the tools to win.

T-Vo.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, I was not. I argued very adamantly that Silver Surfer and Thor could not take down the JLA.

But........ they could ......

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
A bit harsh i think ? No it isn't. You should hear what neverbeenwithagirl says, if you stick up for a Marvel character.

I think there's more of a like and dislike bias. A lot of people dislike Wolverine (not sure why) so they automatically say he'd lose a fight just cause they wouldn't want to see him win. Same goes for likes, though. If someone's a real "fanboy" for ANY character, they'll vote them through and give some elaborate explanation for how they'd win. A lot of people seem to forget that the favorites don't always win, or else it'd be boring. Yes, Batman can win a lot of fights with prep time, but, even though he's most likely my favorite character, I can safely say that if he was fighting a Green Lantern, he wouldn't have much of a chance. Then of course we have people showing feats of PIS/CIS whether its pro or con towards someone. At some point, some hero is going to beat a villain he shouldn't be able to beat, and lose to someone he shouldn't, so examples of weird things like that (which shouldn't be counted) are brought up all the time. I don't think the board is Marvel biased, I just think its based on whether or not someone's favorite character is in a fight. Someone who likes Captain America will say he has a shot at beating Juggernaut while someone who hates The Joker will say he has no shot at beating Daredevil. It's just the way things go, which is why you shouldn't judge a character on his standing in a versus forum lol.

Originally posted by NoFate007
I think there's more of a like and dislike bias. A lot of people dislike Wolverine (not sure why) so they automatically say he'd lose a fight just cause they wouldn't want to see him win. Same goes for likes, though. If someone's a real "fanboy" for ANY character, they'll vote them through and give some elaborate explanation for how they'd win. A lot of people seem to forget that the favorites don't always win, or else it'd be boring. Yes, Batman can win a lot of fights with prep time, but, even though he's most likely my favorite character, I can safely say that if he was fighting a Green Lantern, he wouldn't have much of a chance. Then of course we have people showing feats of PIS/CIS whether its pro or con towards someone. At some point, some hero is going to beat a villain he shouldn't be able to beat, and lose to someone he shouldn't, so examples of weird things like that (which shouldn't be counted) are brought up all the time. I don't think the board is Marvel biased, I just think its based on whether or not someone's favorite character is in a fight. Someone who likes Captain America will say he has a shot at beating Juggernaut while someone who hates The Joker will say he has no shot at beating Daredevil. It's just the way things go, which is why you shouldn't judge a character on his standing in a versus forum lol. Agreed

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field. You say its Marvel biased, and then you turn around and say a comment like this?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Any precrisis Krytonian is easily abstract lvl. They can punch thru time, bend reality with thier fist, move many planets at one time. The anti monitor stood up to dozens of them.
wow!

Originally posted by bigbran
No it isn't. You should hear what neverbeenwithagirl says, if you stick up for a Marvel character.

He's a DC fanboy with the manners of a troll....

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Meh, the Marvel bias is nothing new on the vs. forum. Our average demograph is about 15. They read more Marvel, and can be unreasonable.

Doesn't mean there isn't good debates. So just learn to live with it or post less in the vs. forum....usually the best solution is a combo of the 2.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I will admit there are more marvel threads than anything else. But everyone has there favorite characters. Guess who makes them all!

this whole thing doesnt bother me anymore, cuz i hardly post in the vs forums anymore anyway, most of my time is spent here..ironically, at any given moment it seems that there are the same 15-20 ppl on this particular forum, as opposed to the 60or 70 in the VS.... so either the usual more sophisticated posting on here is like kryptonite to all the 15 and 16yr olds in the VS forum or the comic forum is KMC's best kept secret

Originally posted by manjaro
this whole thing doesnt bother me anymore, cuz i hardly post in the vs forums anymore anyway, most of my time is spent here..ironically, at any given moment it seems that there are the same 15-20 ppl on this particular forum, as opposed to the 60or 70 in the VS.... so either the usual more sophisticated posting on here is like kryptonite to all the 15 and 16yr olds in the VS forum or the comic forum is KMC's best kept secret

They sometimes try to post in here, but they don't survive long. the place is littered with their rotting corpses.

There may be a bias, but i doubt it's to Marvel itself.
Some people dislike certain characters, due to the way they're defended on boards.

I never liked Wolverine, but now, i abhor him.
Same for Cap.
Same for Thanos.
Superman i argue against, but i love his stories all the same.

But i'll say this. In the versus forum, there's a battle of Odin vs Sbp. And the reasons why many think Sbp wins, are to say lightly, shallow. And shyts on Odin's history.

And i can see, how someone might take a dislike to a character at times, due to overrating or underrating of other characters.

Superman fans might piss me off, and the writers especially at times, but i will always love DC for their books.
Until its revealed that Superman is the true son of Yahweh, and Bruce outpreps him for the Throne of creation. With a batarang no less.

But until that day, DC will always be my first love.

I really do laugh at people who talk down an entire company, and hate the competition it brings to the table.

A monopoly on comics, will only shell out bad comics.

Originally posted by manjaro
this whole thing doesnt bother me anymore, cuz i hardly post in the vs forums anymore anyway, most of my time is spent here..ironically, at any given moment it seems that there are the same 15-20 ppl on this particular forum, as opposed to the 60or 70 in the VS.... so either the usual more sophisticated posting on here is like kryptonite to all the 15 and 16yr olds in the VS forum or the comic forum is KMC's best kept secret
Agreed. I rather enjoy this section of the site. Between all the scans and discussion, it really is pretty good.

Though I will say people are getting a little greedy with the scan begging.

Originally posted by UniOmni
There may be a bias, but i doubt it's to Marvel itself.
Some people dislike certain characters, due to the way they're defended on boards.

I never liked Wolverine, but now, i abhor him.
Same for Cap.
Same for Thanos.
Superman i argue against, but i love his stories all the same.

But i'll say this. In the versus forum, there's a battle of Odin vs Sbp. And the reasons why many think Sbp wins, are to say lightly, shallow. And shyts on Odin's history.

And i can see, how someone might take a dislike to a character at times, due to overrating or underrating of other characters.

Superman fans might piss me off, and the writers especially at times, but i will always love DC for their books.
Until its revealed that Superman is the true son of Yahweh, and Bruce outpreps him for the Throne of creation. With a batarang no less.

But until that day, DC will always be my first love.

I really do laugh at people who talk down an entire company, and hate the competition it brings to the table.

A monopoly on comics, will only shell out bad comics.

Fare played, I always had you down as a Marvel fan but .... The Superboy Prime bias is this flavour of the month/year thing, that he's had since the Crisis started. By this next time next year (If you are here that long), People will have him being beaten by the Hulk, you'll see. B.T.W. if you read my posts on the SBP thread, you'll find i agree that Odin would beat Superboy Prime. I just think Leo is slightly exaggerating about Odin's power. But to be fare to him, he has proof where as I'm just a cynic.

Originally posted by Validus
Agreed. I rather enjoy this section of the site. Between all the scans and discussion, it really is pretty good.

Though I will say people are getting a little greedy with the scan begging.

The vrs forum used to be like this back in the days of Asian Hulk, A.C., kuntz and co.

Originally posted by UniOmni
There may be a bias, but i doubt it's to Marvel itself.
Some people dislike certain characters, due to the way they're defended on boards.

I never liked Wolverine, but now, i abhor him.
Same for Cap.
Same for Thanos.
Superman i argue against, but i love his stories all the same.

But i'll say this. In the versus forum, there's a battle of Odin vs Sbp. And the reasons why many think Sbp wins, are to say lightly, shallow. And shyts on Odin's history.

And i can see, how someone might take a dislike to a character at times, due to overrating or underrating of other characters.

Superman fans might piss me off, and the writers especially at times, but i will always love DC for their books.
Until its revealed that Superman is the true son of Yahweh, and Bruce outpreps him for the Throne of creation. With a batarang no less.

But until that day, DC will always be my first love.

I really do laugh at people who talk down an entire company, and hate the competition it brings to the table.

A monopoly on comics, will only shell out bad comics. I agree, I think there are two steps involved when a member chooses a winner:

1. How they feel about the character. Superman is the perfect example, I dont think members are voting for a character but more so against the opponent. Wolverine and Superman are the two biggest examples I can think of.


2. Second I think that most back other people like( SS) for example against Superman because they dont want to sound out right spiteful of a character and need to take a logical person to beat them. This is why SS is like the poster child to defeating Superman although their are exceptions to the rule. Some are just outright fanboys.

One more thing, I think association is a problem two. Darkseid also doesn't get a lot of respect around here because many see him as Supermans punching bag despite his history. Sabertooth is another one since hes related to Wolverine.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I really do laugh at people who talk down an entire company, and hate the competition it brings to the table.

A monopoly on comics, will only shell out bad comics.
I don't laugh. I merely think to myself how big a tool they are and move on.

This thread is biased

Originally posted by Validus
Thanks for being an example, champ.
Originally posted by Black Adam
and your a DBZ fanboy.
Sure................ ...................

Originally posted by Big Sexy
One more thing, I think association is a problem two. Darkseid also doesn't get a lot of respect around here because many see him as Supermans punching bag despite his history. Sabertooth is another one since hes related to Wolverine.

Almost every comic I have that features Darkseid shows him getting stomped on by Superman or someone though

everyone's been complaining about the oppisite lately

Originally posted by Redatom65
everyone's been complaining about the oppisite lately

Meh, the forums were MUCH more Marvel Biased than they currently are.

I, honestly, think there isn't too much of a bias left right now. Obviously, certain POSTERS are biased one way or another, but the forum on the whole seems to be balancing on a pin head.

When I first joined, I noticed the EXTREME Marvel bias, but as of late it seems to have equaled out.


People are starting to learn a little bit more about the DC characters, before they go into a certain thread and say that a much weaker Marvel character wins, just because they're from Marvel.

Wolverine wins!!!!1!

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, the forums were MUCH more Marvel Biased than they currently are.

I, honestly, think there isn't too much of a bias left right now. Obviously, certain POSTERS are biased one way or another, but the forum on the whole seems to be balancing on a pin head. Originally posted by Galan007
When I first joined, I noticed the EXTREME Marvel bias, but as of late it seems to have equaled out.


People are starting to learn a little bit more about the DC characters, before they go into a certain thread and say that a much weaker Marvel character wins, just because they're from Marvel.

Guys I never saw the Marvel Bias, certain characters in Marvel perhaps but not Marvel as a whole.

fart3

fart3

Originally posted by Badabing
fart3 kackepieksen

Originally posted by Soleran
Guys I never saw the Marvel Bias, certain characters in Marvel perhaps but not Marvel as a whole.

fart3

/Thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
When I first joined, I noticed the EXTREME Marvel bias, but as of late it seems to have equaled out.


People are starting to learn a little bit more about the DC characters, before they go into a certain thread and say that a much weaker Marvel character wins, just because they're from Marvel.

The respect threads are a real help here,so i thank all of you out there!

Rules ,Rules ,Rules this is what i think is a major concern,see how many hits it gets?

People should understand the rules better,make a thread with stipulations,or they are automaticly standard rules,and not many know them,which lead to what seems like a close battle really is not when one character can BFR another and win,when they find out,they will not concede the match even if logic tells them

But once again i want to give props for all the people who made or even helped in a repect thread,the time you put in is evident,some of the threads are amazing,and i am always looking to improve my knowledge

Thanks Everyone

I honestly thing respect threads are the devil, since they give a onesided and bloated perspective most of the time.

They're not a valid representation of how the characters are presented in comics usually.

fanboys like giving their chars that image :shrugs:

well if your one of the mindless drones who does not read and use your own reasoning,yeah they can be a problem,but thankfully i can use my own judgment

Like when a poster comes into a thread and states his law and all the little mindless ones agree without checking the info for themselves,yeah i can see your point

Originally posted by UniOmni
I honestly thing respect threads are the devil, since they give a onesided and bloated perspective most of the time.

They're not a valid representation of how the characters are presented in comics usually. Sometimes respect threads are needed.

Especially for highly underrated characters.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sometimes respect threads are needed.

Especially for highly underrated characters.

example: Superman

Originally posted by Priest

example: Superman I was thinking more along the lines of All-Star Superman...

haermm