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omega red and wolverine are deadly enemies, if those two cooperate and fight together as a team how far can they go? this fight takes place in a jungle where you can hide and come up with many strategies, but no one gets a prep time so they fight only with there powers, and heres the list

1.punisher&daredevil

2.captain america& black panther

3.sabretooth&lady death strike

4.spider man & puma

5.thing

6.iron man & human torch

7. cyclops

8.colossus

9.juggernaut

10.savage hulk

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The order of your gauntlet is kinda strange

how?

Cyclops should be below Sabretooth and Deathstrike and Colossus shouldn't be above Iron Man and Human Torch IMO. Anyway I'd say they get to Thing and get knocked out.

you say that cyclops cant take out sabretooth and lady death strike?? he takes them both IMO, he took sabretooth before already, well i thing colossus can take iron man out , maybe human torch and iron man can take colossus out ok, but you think that thing is going to knock them both out?? i really dont think so but alright thats your opinion i respect it

Originally posted by wolvertooth
you say that cyclops cant take out sabretooth and lady death strike?? he takes them both IMO, he took sabretooth before already, well i thing colossus can take iron man out , maybe human torch and iron man can take colossus out ok, but you think that thing is going to knock them both out?? i really dont think so but alright thats your opinion i respect it

it would take seconds to kill cyclops, one slash. Its gonna take a lot longer to beat 2 mutants with healing factors.

Iron man is mega strong and can fly,as can Human Torch. How are wolverine and omega red gonna touch them? And they could take colossus no prob IMO.

my point is wolverine& omega red vs thing, wolverine alone took thing out before, and yet wolverine took out human torch when he was fighting against half marvel universe , and as for cyclops against sabretooth and lady, you say one strike and he is dead? really? if it was true he would be dead a long time ago, sabretooth gave him couple blows and that just scrutched cyclops and then he shot sabretooth in the face and sabretooth ran away, cyclops can knock them both out and i belive that with a full powered optic blast he can at least put them both in a real long time out before they heal, sabretooth was put out much easier then that, who said they gona hit him? all he needs to do is just look at them thats it , take some space away from them and they both get knocked the hell out there feet

Originally posted by wolvertooth
my point is wolverine& omega red vs thing, wolverine alone took thing out before, and yet wolverine took out human torch when he was fighting against half marvel universe , and as for cyclops against sabretooth and lady, you say one strike and he is dead? really? if it was true he would be dead a long time ago, sabretooth gave him couple blows and that just scrutched cyclops and then he shot sabretooth in the face and sabretooth ran away, cyclops can knock them both out and i belive that with a full powered optic blast he can at least put them both in a real long time out before they heal, sabretooth was put out much easier then that, who said they gona hit him? all he needs to do is just look at them thats it , take some space away from them and they both get knocked the hell out there feet

You say they can hide in the Jungle? If so Cyclops is dead before he knows what hit him. And one slash from wolverine IS enough. and how do they take out the Thing? He knocks them out cold,

they can hide in the jungle but cyclops is no idiot, he always train in the danger room, and he is great with strategies, who said that they are going to surprise him and not the oposite? yes sabretooth is a great hunter but if cyclops spots them first, cyclops whiped out a whole forest clear, he can just release an optic blast that will take half of the jungle and who ever is there

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg

to kill cyclops takes more then a cut, a cut wont kill anyone, a stub can kill him yes, but wolverines claws are long and sabretooth is not wolverine we are talking about sabretooth not wolverine,as i sayed before cyclops can clear an entire jungle with his blast and so they both go down

how they take out thing? wolverine can stub him and he did it, wolverine took thing with a kick in ultimate x-menvsff , both wolverine and omega red will beat him good, omega reds tentacles are made of adamentium i think if i am wrong correct me but i never saw anyone hurt his tentacles, i am sure that omega can hurt thing by grabing him with his tentacles and throw him or something at him, hell he can just grab thing and wolverine will do the rest on him , and yes wolverine can hurt the thing he did it 3 times , and everyone that says wolverine cant cut a rock then how did he cut a sentinal and metal? he does that all the time, adamentium claws , i know everybody are laughing at it but its true he has adamentium claws that can cut thrue metal and rock as we saw already

Originally posted by wolvertooth
they can hide in the jungle but cyclops is no idiot, he always train in the danger room, and he is great with strategies, who said that they are going to surprise him and not the oposite? yes sabretooth is a great hunter but if cyclops spots them first, cyclops whiped out a whole forest clear, he can just release an optic blast that will take half of the jungle and who ever is there

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg

to kill cyclops takes more then a cut, a cut wont kill anyone, a stub can kill him yes, but wolverines claws are long and sabretooth is not wolverine we are talking about sabretooth not wolverine,as i sayed before cyclops can clear an entire jungle with his blast and so they both go down

how they take out thing? wolverine can stub him and he did it, wolverine took thing with a kick in ultimate x-menvsff

Ok that blast is not half a jungle now is it? That is part of the Xavier mansion's garden. And unless Cyclops has a secret healing factor three foot long claws are gonna kill him.

Ultimates do not count here. Did you say Ultimate Wolverine? No. Did you say Ultimate Thing? No. Therefor they don't count.

why isnt it count? its a comics and as i saw a well writen, in enemy of state wolverine took thing out that doesnt count too? everything that showes wolverine with the upper hand doesnt count in this board, as for cyclops yes a stub can kill him but what makes you think they are going to stub him? why wasnt that been done already if its so easy to kill cyclops? what makes you think sabretooth and lady death strike are gona come near him , he will blast them to hell, as i said he already fought sabretooth and had the upper hand and as you saw in the picture he took down a good amount of space and created a huge pit, as you can see the sentinals that were at that space are destroyed , that means that his blast whiped out all that space and even sentinals that were near, so if he will fight sabretooth and lady death strike they wont be miles from him, they will stoke him somewhere near, so he will just blast all the space near him and they are down like good girls

Originally posted by wolvertooth
why isnt it count? its a comics and as i saw a well writen, in enemy of state wolverine took thing out that doesnt count too? everything that showes wolverine with the upper hand doesnt count in this board, as for cyclops yes a stub can kill him but what makes you think they are going to stub him? why wasnt that been done already if its so easy to kill cyclops? what makes you think sabretooth and lady death strike are gona come near him , he will blast them to hell, as i said he already fought sabretooth and had the upper hand and as you saw in the picture he took down a good amount of space and created a huge pit, as you can see the sentinals that were at that space are destroyed , that means that his blast whiped out all that space and even sentinals that were near, so if he will fight sabretooth and lady death strike they wont be miles from him, they will stoke him somewhere near, so he will just blast all the space near him and they are down like good girls

Ultimate comics DON'T COUNT for 616 characters. Thats why people put Ultimate Colossus versus Batman (an actual thread) as the characters are different. The sentinel wasn't destroyed either, Wolverine finished it off.

i dont really remember that issue i will check it out if wolverine took him out then my mistake but still it doesnt change the fact that he created a huge pit around them and as you can see it reaches long range, if sabretooth and lady will hide he will whipe them out with all the trees and whatever is there there only chance is so get to him first and that will be really really really hard against someone that just needs to put an eye on you, so you say ultimate doesnt count? i saw grim22 always say that in ultimate ff thing hits wolverine so thats count, but in issue #2 when wolverine takes him down with a kick that doesnt count, iam really cunfused, alright leave the ultimate a side, wolverine scratched things face, and wolverine stubed him in enemy of state which is 616

Originally posted by wolvertooth
i dont really remember that issue i will check it out if wolverine took him out then my mistake but still it doesnt change the fact that he created a huge pit around them and as you can see it reaches long range, if sabretooth and lady will hide he will whipe them out with all the trees and whatever is there there only chance is so get to him first and that will be really really really hard against someone that just needs to put an eye on you, so you say ultimate doesnt count? i saw grim22 always say that in ultimate ff thing hits wolverine so thats count, but in issue #2 when wolverine takes him down with a kick that doesnt count, iam really cunfused, alright leave the ultimate a side, wolverine scratched things face, and wolverine stubed him in enemy of state which is 616

Well I haven't really read enemy of the state so I never saw it, however we have veered far from topic into who'd win between cyclops and sabretooth. Going by your gauntlet though I still go for Thing.

Why is Colossus above Iron Man or Torch?!?

He should be just above Ben, only because his metal hide would give him a big advantage

And also maybe i did get my wires crossed about the ultimates thing, but i am pretty sure they don't count but i have been wrong on these forums before.

alright we got 2 opinions which is great i think one way you think the other that what makes a good debate, i still respect your opinions

Originally posted by The Pict
Cyclops should be below Sabretooth and Deathstrike and Colossus shouldn't be above Iron Man and Human Torch IMO. Anyway I'd say they get to Thing and get knocked out.

I think Ben can take Wolverine 8-9/10, but Omega Red may be a problem, what with his anti-healing factor stuff

well about the colossus thing i think that he is harder for wolverine and omega to deal with then with iron man and human torch, its harder for them to hurt colossus then those two IMO

Originally posted by wolvertooth
well about the colossus thing i think that he is harder for wolverine and omega to deal with then with iron man and human torch, its harder for them to hurt colossus then those two IMO

Still they can't be touched unless the two get the drop on them.

iron man can be hurt by wolverine and omega red, same with human torch and wolverine already took him out once, omega can get human torch down and then wolverine takes him

Iron Man and Torch can fly remember, IM can pick them off from distance

alright lets say they fly and try to blast them from down, wolverine and omega are no easy targets, omega may not reach them with his tentacles but he can throw thing at them , he can even take wolverine and throw him at them wolverine puts his claws in iron man and he is down, same with human torch

Originally posted by wolvertooth
alright lets say they fly and try to blast them from down, wolverine and omega are no easy targets, omega may not reach them with his tentacles but he can throw thing at them , he can even take wolverine and throw him at them wolverine puts his claws in iron man and he is down, same with human torch

Noob Wolverine fanboys. Gotta love them.

as it mentioned it takes place in the junjle where wolverine can climb on a tree and attack from there even if they fly, wolverine is a great hunter , animalistic senses, he can fell them and hide and attack them from the trees

badabing if you dont like something you can go post in other threads

Originally posted by wolvertooth
as it mentioned it takes place in the junjle where wolverine can climb on a tree and attack from there even if they fly, wolverine is a great hunter , animalistic senses, he can fell them and hide and attack them from the trees

Originally posted by wolvertooth
as it mentioned it takes place in the junjle where wolverine can climb on a tree and attack from there even if they fly, wolverine is a great hunter , animalistic senses, he can fell them and hide and attack them from the trees

They can fly long before Wolverine finds them, and then IM blasts chunks out of the jungle to find them

but still wolverine can climb on a tree and attack iron man, same thing with omega he climbs and hide, when iron man comes near he can grab him with his tentacles and bring him down, and even if iron man blast them , wolverine still can heal from the blasts and eventually he will reach iron man

Originally posted by wolvertooth
well about the colossus thing i think that he is harder for wolverine and omega to deal with then with iron man and human torch, its harder for them to hurt colossus then those two IMO

Torch or Iron Man could take these two on their own with ease

Originally posted by wolvertooth
but still wolverine can climb on a tree and attack iron man, same thing with omega he climbs and hide, when iron man comes near he can grab him with his tentacles and bring him down, and even if iron man blast them , wolverine still can heal from the blasts and eventually he will reach iron man

Johnny goes Nova. It's the end of Wolverine, Omega Red and the jungle.

it can go that way , but if wolverine stoke him in the jungle and attack him first johnny goes down

Originally posted by wolvertooth
it can go that way , but if wolverine stoke him in the jungle and attack him first johnny goes down

Torch is way to fast for Wolverine to even think about hitting

what? first of all i saied if wolverine stalks him and attacks him he cant get away out of this, secend of all isnt this funny that sudenly everybody are too fast for wolverine? first you all say namor now human torch, if wolverine attacks him he cant do nothing , tell me if he is too fast for wolverine how did wolverine took him out already?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
what? first of all i saied if wolverine stalks him and attacks him he cant get away out of this, secend of all isnt this funny that sudenly everybody are too fast for wolverine? first you all say namor now human torch, if wolverine attacks him he cant do nothing , tell me if he is too fast for wolverine how did wolverine took him out already?

Dont overestimate Wolverine's speed

He's as fast as Captain America.

Torch simply flys up and goes full blown Nova.

No more Wolverine or Omega Red.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
it can go that way , but if wolverine stoke him in the jungle and attack him first johnny goes down
Do you understand the concept of flight? Tony and Johnny are in the air and are a lot higher than the trees. Stark's suit will zero in on Wolverine and Omega Red. Omega Red and Wolverine are spending their time dodging energy attacks. They get FUBAR'ed. Please, just stop with the inane scenarios. Your boys are toast. Once you accept this you'll be a better person. Read the rules. These versus battles are blood lusted and no PIS is invloved. Johnny goes Nova. End of story.

there are 2 issues where wolverine takes human torch out, the first is when he fights a lot of marvel universe heroes i dont remember the issue but its wolverine comics, he took human torch down by throwing someone on him , and the other one is wolverine vol 3 # 22 the same issue where he takes thing out, he jumps on human torch from a building and smash him into a gas station, it showes you that human torch couldnt do anything once wolverine jumped on him

iron man and human torch will take this if they blast from the sky and keep flying but if wolverine and omega get there hands on them they will go down and be dead, wolverine can heal they cant

Originally posted by wolvertooth
there are 2 issues where wolverine takes human torch out, the first is when he fights a lot of marvel universe heroes i dont remember the issue but its wolverine comics, he took human torch down by throwing someone on him , and the other one is wolverine vol 3 # 22 the same issue where he takes thing out, he jumps on human torch from a building and smash him into a gas station, it showes you that human torch couldnt do anything once wolverine jumped on him
First, I didn't know there was a building and gas station in the jungle to jump off. Second, this isn't Wolverine vs Torch. Third, with full blood lust, Johnny goes Nova and it's all she wrote. Now please, the only thing that you're proving is how biased you are.

so you want to tell me that if wolverine get on a high spot and reaches iron man or human torch and stub the crap out of them they wont go down?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
there are 2 issues where wolverine takes human torch out, the first is when he fights a lot of marvel universe heroes i dont remember the issue but its wolverine comics, he took human torch down by throwing someone on him , and the other one is wolverine vol 3 # 22 the same issue where he takes thing out, he jumps on human torch from a building and smash him into a gas station, it showes you that human torch couldnt do anything once wolverine jumped on him

Wolverine beating Torch is complete Crap.

crap? why is that?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
crap? why is that?

You obviously dont know who the torch is do you

Originally posted by wolvertooth
so you want to tell me that if wolverine get on a high spot and reaches iron man or human torch and stub the crap out of them they wont go down?
A high spot huh? I guess in your mind Iron Man and Human Torch will just float above the trees, close their eyes and let Wolverine pounce on them. Eh, no. HT and IM can fly higher than the trees. IM's suit will track and target Omega and Logan. Your team will be dodging energy attacks. This is all moot since HT goes Nova and ends the battle.

yes i do, but you underestimate wolverine big time, if wolverine gets his claws on johnny he is dead R.I.P, wolverine can heal johnny cant, wolverine got skills johnny doesnt, yes human torch is strong but if he will fall into wolverines hands he is dead no matter how many flames he can shoot or how many fire tricks he can do

Originally posted by badabing
Do you understand the concept of flight? Tony and Johnny are in the air and are a lot higher than the trees. Stark's suit will zero in on Wolverine and Omega Red. Omega Red and Wolverine are spending their time dodging energy attacks. They get FUBAR'ed. Please, just stop with the inane scenarios. Your boys are toast. Once you accept this you'll be a better person. Read the rules. These versus battles are blood lusted and no PIS is invloved. Johnny goes Nova. End of story.

Doesn't matter cos they stop at Thing

if they want to spot wolverine and omega they will have to go down to fing them if they will be too high they wont be able to see wolverine, and since when they fight like that? if that was the way they fight almost no one could beat them, they will get down to find wolverine and omega and then omega gets iron man with his tentacles around iron mans feet and slams him against a tree and iron man goes bye bye, wolverine jumps on human torch and stubs him and johnny is dead

Originally posted by wolvertooth
yes i do, but you underestimate wolverine big time, if wolverine gets his claws on johnny he is dead R.I.P, wolverine can heal johnny cant, wolverine got skills johnny doesnt, yes human torch is strong but if he will fall into wolverines hands he is dead no matter how many flames he can shoot or how many fire tricks he can do
Ladies and gentlemen of KMC, fanboyism at its finest. I've critiqued every aspect of your argument and put it down. Logan will never lay a hand on Stark or Johnny. I suggest you read up on Iron Man and Human Torch to see how truly powerful they are. If all else fails, Iron Man nails Logan with a KO punch similar to Namor's punch in Wolverine #45. Again, a moot point since Johnny's Nova will end the battle.

theres no point to talk with someone that everytime you say something instead of giving a good debate he starts with the old fanboy accuse, anyway as i saied but i guess you dont understand english , if wolverine gets his hands on iron man he is down he will cut his armor and stark inside if iron man blast him wolverine will heal the max iron man will K.O him , you always say johnny will go nova bla bla like its some god like power, if it was that way then no one could beat him right? i mean he just goes nova and everybody is down he is god like thats amazing, intresting how wolverine took him out twice but you still say he is too much for wolverine, intresting how wolverine took thing out 3 times but people still say wolverine is weaker, wolverine gave namor a beating but still its a PIS, thats amazing everytime wolverine does something its like it never happened? the problem is that its not me who is the fanboy, its you who is a hater that got some hate to a drawings

by the way if iron man will try to ko wolverine with a punch he just might lose his arm

Originally posted by wolvertooth
so you want to tell me that if wolverine get on a high spot and reaches iron man or human torch and stub the crap out of them they wont go down? Originally posted by badabing Originally posted by wolvertooth
as it mentioned it takes place in the junjle where wolverine can climb on a tree and attack from there even if they fly, wolverine is a great hunter , animalistic senses, he can fell them and hide and attack them from the trees
A high spot huh? I guess in your mind Iron Man and Human Torch will just float above the trees, close their eyes and let Wolverine pounce on them. Eh, no. HT and IM can fly higher than the trees. IM's suit will track and target Omega and Logan. Your team will be dodging energy attacks. This is all moot since HT goes Nova and ends the battle. Originally posted by The Pict
They can fly long before Wolverine finds them, and then IM blasts chunks out of the jungle to find them Originally posted by badabing
Do you understand the concept of flight? Tony and Johnny are in the air and are a lot higher than the trees. Stark's suit will zero in on Wolverine and Omega Red. Omega Red and Wolverine are spending their time dodging energy attacks. They get FUBAR'ed. Please, just stop with the inane scenarios. Your boys are toast. Once you accept this you'll be a better person. Read the rules. These versus battles are blood lusted and no PIS is invloved. Johnny goes Nova. End of story.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
theres no point to talk with someone that everytime you say something instead of giving a good debate he starts with the old fanboy accuse, anyway as i saied but i guess you dont understand english , if wolverine gets his hands on iron man he is down he will cut his armor

Badabing's point is that Wolverine can't get his hands on IM at all, which is true. All this doesn't matter though cos Thing has already uprooted a tree and crushed the mutants.

Originally posted by The Pict
They can fly long before Wolverine finds them, and then IM blasts chunks out of the jungle to find them

Cant Human Torch just burn down the whole forest?


Originally posted by Grimm22
Dont overestimate Wolverine's speed

He's as fast as Captain America.



I thought he was one rank below Cap, like Cap is to Spiderman.

if i will go by your formula then almost no one can beat freakin iron man andhuman torch not even wendigo , sesquatch, because they cant reach them, iron man will just fly and shoot them and thing, wendigo colossus cant reach them so iron man can take them all out right? when did you ever see iron man use that kind of strategy? he always gets his ass down

they clear the gauntlet until 9 - omega reds toxins kills all the rest of them - wolvie dont die cause of his healing - sabretooth healin makes no deiffer he dies via fighting

take a look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Omegared004.jpg

Originally posted by The Pict
Doesn't matter cos they stop at Thing you mean they stomp thing.. right?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
take a look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Omegared004.jpg

Looks like they are in an enclosed space, unlike say a Jungle. Thats not happening here.

Originally posted by badabing
If all else fails, Iron Man nails Logan with a KO punch similar to Namor's punch in Wolverine #45. uhhh which one? the one that didn't do anything to wolverine? or the OTHER one that didn't do anythng to wolverine?

OH NO you must mean the sucker punch.. right? the one from behind? the one he used while wolverine was busy punking 3 other atlanteans at once? the one he used after wolverine had already been nuked and fighting with namor's sleepers for sometime before he arrived?


besides... no.. he won't.. in a straight up h2h with wolverine.. that's a terrible idea.. IM has a historical problem of being trounced by faster oponents even if they are just humans.. hell captain america beat him in h2h combat to the point that iron man was embarrassed about what just happened to him.

all that said... I gotta say the order on this gauntlet IS messed and HT and IM put the weapon x team down for the count 10 seconds in to the "fight" if you can even call it that..

i see not many know this but omega red first of all got healing factor as well, he has super human strength and combined with his metal tentacles that are almost strong as adementium he can hurt almost anyone, thing will be broken , and he got a toxic feramon that kills , so omega red is not just a guy with tentacles like doc ock

Originally posted by wolvertooth
i see not many know this but omega red first of all got healing factor as well, he has super human strength and combined with his metal tentacles that are almost strong as adementium he can hurt almost anyone, thing will be broken , and he got a toxic feramon that kills , so omega red is not just a guy with tentacles like doc ock

Thing will stand around and let himself be "broken?" nope is the answer and they don't have the strength to anyway. Thing hauls Omega towards him by his tentacles and crushes his head.

what? Lol , if omega gets thing with hes tentacles thing wouldnt be able to do anything he will be just tied up , omega was a lot for colossus, omega got some level of super human strength too, and as i saied before , wolverine alone can take thing as it was already done 3 times

Thing is class 100, you know that right?

class 100? i think thing is class 85 not 100 , anyway wolverine still took him out so it doesnt change much things

now dont get me wrong i dont mean that if omega got thing with his tentacles around him thing couldnt throw him, but if he gets things feet for excemple together thing falls , omega even can throw thing with his tentacles, and of course theres wolverine

Thing has given Wonder Man and Thor beatings, he won't have trouble here. I like wolverine more than Thing but they ain't winning this.

you do understand that wolverine took him out right? wolverine gave hulk namor wendigo some beating and? thing got strength over wolverine thats it, wolverine is much faster skilled and most important wolverine proved that he can hurt thing which means thing is going down

He took him out? So Thing is dead and its Logan's fault? Hmm.

he could kill thing twice, once when he stabbed him in enemy of state thing was on his knees, and in ultimate x-menvsff when wolverine put him down with a kick and was about to finish him when rid interfered

Has he actually put his claws right through him? Because there was a thread on here about who wolverine could cut and Ben wasn't seen as one of them.

i dont care what people here say, i care about what the comics show and if i had a scanner i would personally scan the picture where wolverine puts his claws deep into things arm and thing drops on his knees

Originally posted by wolvertooth
i dont care what people here say, i care about what the comics show and if i had a scanner i would personally scan the picture where wolverine puts his claws deep into things arm and thing drops on his knees

They were using wolverine's feats to make the argument

i know many of you say how the hell thing gets so much beatings and still fighting and here after a stab he felt down, well thats because wolverine puts his all 3 claws to the end into things arm, tell me what will take you down gatting a beating or getting 30 c"m 3 claws in your arm?

they know better then the writers? how the hell they know how wolverine suppose to be? they know better then the writers? any normal comics reader will tell you that wolverine can and did penetrate the thing , but if you want to listen to people that for some reason hate a fiction character then go ahead i guess they write the comics not the writers

Adamantium is strong enough to go through Thing but only if enough force is applied. Wolverine doesn't have that strength, I am suprised he did more than scratch him.
I still give the majority to Thing, he has taken on tougher opponents than these two.

i cant belive you, here i tell you that there are a comics that showes wolverine stubing thing and you say he cant alright theres no point here with you

there you go enjoy

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wt3mxqe4.jpg

and wendigo 2

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31ig0.jpg

So I see, I'd still give Thing the majority. And Wendigo is no big deal, sabretooth has beat him as well

If this happens with the cap think of what Ben will do,

though this is a terrible fight (which is kinda why I posted it)

wendigo is no big deal??? what? do you know anything about him? he gave hulk a beating as hell he is one of the topest powerhouses , he beat sesquatch , the issue where sabretooth killed him it was because sabretooth drowned him and if you ask me its a real PIS,now you know what? lets go with your theory, wolverine doesnt have enough strength to penetrate rock, he can cut metal and sentinals thats ok with you all but rock he cant alright, now what about thing? his body made out of rock .... now characters such as hulk can smash rocks without a problem then how come when hulk hits thing he doesnt brake? or iron man, or anyone that has super human strength that can brake rocks which is a looootttt of people, such as thor hulk and many more, it doesnt matter if he got super human strength or not it doesn't change the fact that he is made out of rock, same about namor no matter how strong he is he is just flesh skin why wolverine cant stub him? you see you cant go by logic its not real life its suppose to be that way

why wont you post the rest of the fight where wolverine kicks caps ass?

Originally posted by badabing
Ladies and gentlemen of KMC, fanboyism at its finest. I've critiqued every aspect of your argument and put it down. Logan will never lay a hand on Stark or Johnny. I suggest you read up on Iron Man and Human Torch to see how truly powerful they are. If all else fails, Iron Man nails Logan with a KO punch similar to Namor's punch in Wolverine #45. Again, a moot point since Johnny's Nova will end the battle. Originally posted by jinzin
uhhh which one? the one that didn't do anything to wolverine? or the OTHER one that didn't do anythng to wolverine?

OH NO you must mean the sucker punch.. right? the one from behind? the one he used while wolverine was busy punking 3 other atlanteans at once? the one he used after wolverine had already been nuked and fighting with namor's sleepers for sometime before he arrived?


besides... no.. he won't.. in a straight up h2h with wolverine.. that's a terrible idea.. IM has a historical problem of being trounced by faster oponents even if they are just humans.. hell captain america beat him in h2h combat to the point that iron man was embarrassed about what just happened to him.

all that said... I gotta say the order on this gauntlet IS messed and HT and IM put the weapon x team down for the count 10 seconds in to the "fight" if you can even call it that.. If you are going to quote me, please use my whole post.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
wendigo is no big deal??? what? do you know anything about him? he gave hulk a beating as hell he is one of the topest powerhouses , he beat sesquatch , the issue where sabretooth killed him it was because sabretooth drowned him and if you ask me its a real PIS,now you know what? lets go with your theory, wolverine doesnt have enough strength to penetrate rock, he can cut metal and sentinals thats ok with you all but rock he cant alright, now what about thing? his body made out of rock .... now characters such as hulk can smash rocks without a problem then how come when hulk hits thing he doesnt brake? or iron man, or anyone that has super human strength that can brake rocks which is a looootttt of people, such as thor hulk and many more, it doesnt matter if he got super human strength or not it doesn't change the fact that he is made out of rock, same about namor no matter how strong he is he is just flesh skin why wolverine cant stub him? you see you cant go by logic its not real life its suppose to be that way

The logic that wolverine can cut through materials if he has the strength is true, I didn't make it up. I didn't say he couldn't cut through rock either did I? Plus Thing is stronger than rock, can rock survive the impacts that Ben can? no, wolverine can easily cut through rock, I didn't say he couldn't. That logic is one you just made up for me. Don't do that.

However i was wrong earlier when i said that Ben was seen as too durable for Wolverine to penetrate as the general agreement was that he did but was BS basically.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
why wont you post the rest of the fight where wolverine kicks caps ass?

Why? I was showing wolverine being overpowered by a human, and inviting you to think what would happen if it was instead a class 100, very heavy Ben Grimm.

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page09ma5.jpg

here you can see that wolverine dont just fight, he fight smart... he knows and think about his oponents moves


http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page12lj9.jpg

here you can see that he is a very smart fighter he knows where to hit to make damage


http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page13gk7.jpg


http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page24pe3.jpg

and here he could kill captain america if it wasnt the x-men

captain america didnt overpower him and dont compare captain to thing because thing is no near fast as him to do something to wolverine thing needs to get him first and wolverine is too fast for him so even if thing could ko wolverine with a punch ( which he cant) he needs to hit or grab him first which he cant because wolverine is too fast and thats the reason why wolverine always owns him

Originally posted by wolvertooth
captain america didnt overpower him and dont compare captain to thing because thing is no near fast as him to do something to wolverine thing needs to get him first and wolverine is too fast for him so even if thing could ko wolverine with a punch ( which he cant) he needs to hit or grab him first which he cant because wolverine is too fast and thats the reason why wolverine always owns him

And wolverine is gonna dance away the whole fight? He comes in because thats wolverine and Thing won't miss all the time, he isn't slow. And why won't I compare the 2? Are you sayng that the Cap could take down Wolverine but not Thing? Silly if that was Thing Its game over. Now IMO thing takes the majority here, my opinion isn't changing.

i respect your opinion and wont tell you what to think i am just trying to show my points, wolverine doesnt need do dance around thing just hit him fast or dodge him once, in the pick that i poster where wolverine stubs thing you can see him avoiding one of things strikes and then hit him , he can even give the first strike and thats it he is faster, captain america and wolverine are in a close strength range, wolverine is stronger but still they are closer then wolverine and thing , you see captain america doesnt have anything that can hurt the thing but he can hurt wolverine thats the case here, but wolverine got something that can hit the thing, if captain america had something like wolverine that can hurt the thing then i would say he got a great chance to take thing down,you say that thing is made of something harder then rock because they blast him and he is still standing? thats my point man that he is made out of just rock but things that supose to crush a rock dont effect him thats unreal thats all but hey thats comics everything is unreal

Originally posted by wolvertooth
he could kill thing twice, once when he stabbed him in enemy of state thing was on his knees, and in ultimate x-menvsff when wolverine put him down with a kick and was about to finish him when rid interfered

First, you just listed the bigest PIS showings in their fighting history

Enemy of the State was a joke. Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben, and even if he could, Ben was beaten nearly to death by Champion and guess what... He didnt give up. But when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he just sits there and mopes?!?!

Second, This isnt the Ultimate versions, but even so that was still crap writing. Wolverine kick wouldnt do crap to Ben even if he was off balance. Crap Crap Crap

Originally posted by jinzin
you mean they stomp thing.. right?

I wouldnt say they Stomp Ben, but the duo probobly could beat Ben 6-7/10

Originally posted by wolvertooth
wendigo is no big deal??? what? do you know anything about him? he gave hulk a beating as hell he is one of the topest powerhouses , he beat sesquatch , the issue where sabretooth killed him it was because sabretooth drowned him and if you ask me its a real PIS,now you know what? lets go with your theory, wolverine doesnt have enough strength to penetrate rock, he can cut metal and sentinals thats ok with you all but rock he cant alright, now what about thing? his body made out of rock .... now characters such as hulk can smash rocks without a problem then how come when hulk hits thing he doesnt brake? or iron man, or anyone that has super human strength that can brake rocks which is a looootttt of people, such as thor hulk and many more, it doesnt matter if he got super human strength or not it doesn't change the fact that he is made out of rock, same about namor no matter how strong he is he is just flesh skin why wolverine cant stub him? you see you cant go by logic its not real life its suppose to be that way

Dude, first off Wendigo's durability is nowhere near Ben's durability

Ben's Durability >>>>>>>>>>>> Wendigo's Durability.

Second, Wendigo has been jobbered more times than I can count

Originally posted by wolvertooth
omega red and wolverine are deadly enemies, if those two cooperate and fight together as a team how far can they go? this fight takes place in a jungle where you can hide and come up with many strategies, but no one gets a prep time so they fight only with there powers, and heres the list

1.punisher&daredevil

2.captain america& black panther

3.sabretooth&lady death strike

4.spider man & puma

5.thing

6.iron man & human torch

7. cyclops

8.colossus

9.juggernaut

10.savage hulk

orders messed up. cool gauntlet though. just needs rearranging

i say they make it to thing due to the order, but IMO cyke should take things place at 5 and have thing go to 6..here. lol..


1. DD/Pun 10/10

2. Black Panther/Cap 9/10

3. Sabretooth/Lady Deathstrike 9/10

4. Spiderman/Puma 7/10

5. Cyclops 6/10, they'll just have to move quick to get in close and i think Omega Red could do that with his retractable tentacles and death spore.

6. Thing 4/10

7. Colossus 3/10

8. Iron Man/Human torch 0/10

9. Juggernaut 0/10

10. Savage Hulk 0/10.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
omega red and wolverine are deadly enemies, if those two cooperate and fight together as a team how far can they go? this fight takes place in a jungle where you can hide and come up with many strategies, but no one gets a prep time so they fight only with there powers, and heres the list

1.punisher&daredevil

2.captain america& black panther

3.sabretooth&lady death strike

4.spider man & puma

5.thing

6.iron man & human torch

7. cyclops

8.colossus

9.juggernaut

10.savage hulk

They come to a screaching hault at 6.

Do they get time to heal inbetween matches

If not they may stop at 4 and DEFINITLY stop at 5

As much as I hate to defend Wolverine in ANY match, IMO Omega Red could probably take Ben out solo at least half the time. Now I only say that because of the whole Death Spore's + Life force draining combo. Red is the big threat of this group(NOT WOLVERINE), and most of the victories would be because of him. I agree that they would probably stop at 6, but there is a slight chance that they might make it past 6, say 1 or 2 times out of 10, and in those instances, they stop at Juggernaut. (GOD I HATE DEFENDING WOLVERINE!)

I'm not even going to try to decipher your order or try to figure out why you think cyclops is such a badass. I'm just going to say Omega Red & Wolverine beat everybody on the list but Iron Man & Human Torch, Juggernaut if he's his classic self and Savage Hulk.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/95078701518.111.GIF

n'uff said

Originally posted by darthgoober
As much as I hate to defend Wolverine in ANY match, IMO Omega Red could probably take Ben out solo at least half the time. Now I only say that because of the whole Death Spore's + Life force draining combo. Red is the big threat of this group(NOT WOLVERINE), and most of the victories would be because of him. I agree that they would probably stop at 6, but there is a slight chance that they might make it past 6, say 1 or 2 times out of 10, and in those instances, they stop at Juggernaut. (GOD I HATE DEFENDING WOLVERINE!)

Yep

Thats the only reason I think that the duo takes down Ben 6-7/10.

Of course thats only if they are fully healed between matches

Originally posted by Sabretooth
I'm not even going to try to decipher your order or try to figure out why you think cyclops is such a badass. I'm just going to say Omega Red & Wolverine beat everybody on the list but Iron Man & Human Torch, Juggernaut if he's his classic self and Savage Hulk.

Cyclops >x100 Wolverine

Wolverine cannot TOUCH Cyclops.

Originally posted by The Pict
Thing will stand around and let himself be "broken?" nope is the answer and they don't have the strength to anyway. Thing hauls Omega towards him by his tentacles and crushes his head. omega red can pick thing up by the arms and then thing loses all leverage...he can't use his strength without footing..hell doc ock proved that with the damned hulk..you think thing will be any different?

Originally posted by The Pict
He took him out? So Thing is dead and its Logan's fault? Hmm. that's a rather off diversion....

wolverine has taken out ben on 2 occasions now..

not killed but he certainly scored winning blows...

Originally posted by jinzin
.he can't use his strength without footing

Wow

I agree Ben loses the majority to the duo, but that is ridiculous.

Its pretty freakin obvious that you dont know crap about Ben

Originally posted by jinzin
that's a rather off diversion....

wolverine has taken out ben on 2 occasions now..

not killed but he certainly scored winning blows...

Face Slashing wasnt a victory

Enemy of the State = Crap

Originally posted by The Pict
He took him out? So Thing is dead and its Logan's fault? Hmm. that's a rather off diversion....

wolverine has taken out ben on 2 occasions now..

not killed but he certainly scored winning blows...

Originally posted by wolvertooth
there you go enjoy

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wt3mxqe4.jpg

and wendigo 2

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31ig0.jpg

wendigo's no big deal?

you mean the same class 100 character that has one upped sasquatch...

that has gone toe to toe with hulk...

and that has forced, sasquatch, AND hulk into fighting him at once? THAT wendigo?

fact is wendigo's a HUGE deal.. however he suffers the same problem that thing does.. he's not immune to a wolvie claw strike... simple as that... sabretooth is wolverine on pcp and then some.. the guy kills superman rip offs for god sakes...and nearly tore the head off a guy that stalemated hercules in an arm wrestling match... you can't just discard wendigo because he got killed by sabretooth especially when sabretooth has a history of being a friggin BEAST when he's not jobbing...

not to mention the fact that that's not JUST wendigo in that pic.. that's maivaus-wendigo...a sorceror who ate wendigo's heart after and became stronger than the woodland gods..

not a big deal you say?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/95078701518.111.GIF

n'uff said

Um... okay... let's see...

You're a FANBOY... and... um... a NON-JOBBING Marvel Universe would so kick Wolverine's ass... and... THAT WAS A NON-CANON SOURCE so you better be careful 'cause that's against the rules and I'm gonna report you for being BIASED 'cause you're a FANBOY who's BIASED and... um... The MARVEL HANDBOOK SAYS THE UNIVERSE IS WAY STRONGER THAN WORVERINE so there... and... THAT WAS PIS and... IT WAS ALSO CIS so you better get your facts straight FANBOY...

There. Did I miss any of the overused cliche terms everbody tries to argue with on this board?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wow

I agree Ben loses the majority to the duo, but that is ridiculous.

Its pretty freakin obvious that you dont know crap about Ben bullshite...

I don't know crap about ben because he's going to be subject to the same laws of physics hulk was when dok ock picked him up off his feet?

dude it's simple science.. without footing and being held in the air by a guy that has used his tenticles to lift friggin tanks! thing isn't going anywhere...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Face Slashing wasnt a victory

Enemy of the State = Crap
wrong... it's a far superior showing.. wolvie took ben out of the fight... ben was doubled over and wolvie was on top of him all over again.. had the battle persisted wolverine would have killed him... or KOed him... butfor all intents and purposes it was a TKO...

your opinion on enemy of the state makes absolutely no difference on what actually took place.. wolverine handed thing his ass... get over it.

Originally posted by Sabretooth


There. Did I miss any of the overused cliche terms everbody tries to argue with on this board?

Originally posted by The Pict
Adamantium is strong enough to go through Thing but only if enough force is applied. Wolverine doesn't have that strength, I am suprised he did more than scratch him.
I still give the majority to Thing, he has taken on tougher opponents than these two.

WHAT?!?!? the hell???

wolverine cut half of thing's face off before... they made a long drawn out story where thing had to cope with what happened to him.. he wore a helmet for a really long time.. you can't deny that he's been cut...

OH YEAH!

...ehem...

YOUR SCANS ARE CRAP THEY MEAN NOTHING FANBOY!

There. Now I think I got them all.

Originally posted by The Pict
If this happens with the cap think of what Ben will do,

though this is a terrible fight (which is kinda why I posted it)

what will ben do? absolutely nothing like that that's for damned sure...

sorry but pathetic example...

cap sneak attacked wolverine TWICE! hell before he threw his shield wolverine had his back turned to cap and was explaining himself...

thing also doesn't have a shield.. isnt' has fast as cap.. and is NOWHERE NEAR as tacticle or as good a fighter... those are just the simple breaks..

Originally posted by badabing
If you are going to quote me, please use my whole post. no

there was only one portion that needed to be addressed from my end..

Originally posted by jinzin
no

there was only one portion that needed to be addressed from my end..
Don't straight face me!bnone And don't tell be about your end needing addressed. I posted that to irk someone else earlier.

Originally posted by jinzin
bullshite...

I don't know crap about ben because he's going to be subject to the same laws of physics hulk was when dok ock picked him up off his feet?

dude it's simple science.. without footing and being held in the air by a guy that has used his tenticles to lift friggin tanks! thing isn't going anywhere...


wrong... it's a far superior showing.. wolvie took ben out of the fight... ben was doubled over and wolvie was on top of him all over again.. had the battle persisted wolverine would have killed him... or KOed him... butfor all intents and purposes it was a TKO...

your opinion on enemy of the state makes absolutely no difference on what actually took place.. wolverine handed thing his ass... get over it.

First, you said that Ben loses all of his strength when he's not on the ground?!?!

He's not the F***in Blob.

Second, the face slash didnt KO Ben. And even if you do consider it a KO, Ben KO'ed Wolverine right back.

Enemy of the State would make sense if you completely take everything about Ben's character and throw it in the trash.

First, Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben. He can slash Ben, not Stab

Also, Ben was beaten nearly half to death by Champion. And guess what. He didnt give up. He kept on fighting to the end even when there was no hope left. But, when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he gives up?!?

And dont give me any of that Wolverine knows where nerves are, because Ben's biology is so complicated even Reed has trouble figureing it out

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, you just listed the bigest PIS showings in their fighting history

Enemy of the State was a joke. Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben, and even if he could, Ben was beaten nearly to death by Champion and guess what... He didnt give up. But when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he just sits there and mopes?!?!

Second, This isnt the Ultimate versions, but even so that was still crap writing. Wolverine kick wouldnt do crap to Ben even if he was off balance. Crap Crap Crap again.. FIND EXAMPLES where thing's been eviserated and stood up to it? he takes damaga on the OUTSIDE all the time.. however blunt force trauma.. DOES NOT = stabbing effeciency..

wolverine has stabbed hulk, thanos, herc, namor, presumably abomination, he's shredded organic steal, shredded reinforced titanium like it was wet paper... but he can't cut thing? PFFFFTTTTTT!!!!

and AGAIN..in ULTIMATE thing was OFF BALANCE.. he's no more immune to momentum than he is to leverage...

Originally posted by badabing
Don't straight face me!bnone And don't tell be about your end needing addressed. I posted that to irk someone else earlier. TEAM JINZIN DOES WHAT HE WANTS!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
again.. FIND EXAMPLES where thing's been eviserated and stood up to it? he takes damaga on the OUTSIDE all the time.. however blunt force trauma.. DOES NOT = stabbing effeciency..

wolverine has stabbed hulk, thanos, herc, namor, presumably abomination, he's shredded organic steal, shredded reinforced titanium like it was wet paper... but he can't cut thing? PFFFFTTTTTT!!!!

and AGAIN..in ULTIMATE thing was OFF BALANCE.. he's no more immune to momentum than he is to leverage...

First, Ben was in a gang as a kid. I find it hard to believe that Ben has never been stabbed before.

Second, in the Ult. fight, Ben was leaning forward, Wolverine kicks him in the face and he falls on his back?!?!

Not only does that not make sense, in the laws of phycics, it also makes no sense considering Ben's durability

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, you said that Ben loses all of his strength when he's not on the ground?!?! uhhhh no.. he retains his strength... he just won't be able to use it to any effective degree.. seriously.. have you seen what dock ock did to hulk? if you haven't then you need to shut your corn hole cause you clearly misunderstood my point...

point being.. once bens taken off his feat he has no leverage to MAKE USE of his strength... obviously he's still a strong character... probably not as strong as usual considering the death spores.. but lets get serious here.. it took to combined help of gambit, collosus, storm, and wolvie to put omega red away when he got serious....

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, the face slash didnt KO Ben. And even if you do consider it a KO, Ben KO'ed Wolverine right back. I didn't say it was strictly a KO I said it was a TKO.. do you even know what that is?

and no thing didn't KO wolvie since wolverine was right back in the fight... again.. thing=doubled over.. wolverine= hoveringover thing... wolverine was clearly shown to be superior in that particular instance.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Enemy of the State would make sense if you completely take everything about Ben's character and throw it in the trash.

First, Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben. He can slash Ben, not Stab he certainly has the strength to stab ben.. his clawsare so damned sharp that hardly any strength at all is needed to accomplish a simple stabbing feat... all you have is fanboy speculation.. you say we're ignoring things character but you're blatently discarding everything logan's actually done and saying it doesn't count...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Also, Ben was beaten nearly half to death by Champion. And guess what. He didnt give up. He kept on fighting to the end even when there was no hope left. But, when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he gives up?!?

And dont give me any of that Wolverine knows where nerves are, because Ben's biology is so complicated even Reed has trouble figureing it out I already answered your broken record for the champion argument.. and the nerve thing.. well again.. just because reed has trouble understanding his biology doesn't mean those nerves are no longer there...

In ancient Japan, they were able to sharpen swords to the point where they cut through a handkerchief simply by turning the blade upward and dropping the handkerchief above the blade, letting it float down across the blade only to end up on the ground in two halves, involving absolutely no force whatsoever. I don't think sufficient force would be necessary if Wolverine's claws are sharpened to the point where they cut through "steel as it were rice paper" as stated and demonstrated in the comics on several occasions.

Originally posted by jinzin

wolverine has stabbed hulk, thanos, herc, namor, presumably abomination

First, Hulk's durability isnt nearly as high as Ben's until he gets very angry.

Second, all the fights between Namor and Wolverine have been crap.

I havent seen the Herc fight.

Did you just try to justify Wolverine stabbing F***IN THANOS?!?!?!

Originally posted by Sabretooth
In ancient Japan, they were able to sharpen swords to the point where they cut through a handkerchief simply by turning the blade upward and dropping the handkerchief above the blade, letting it float down across the blade only to end up on the ground in two halves, involving absolutely no force whatsoever. I don't think sufficient force would be necessary if Wolverine's claws are sharpened to the point where they cut through "steel as it were rice paper" as stated and demonstrated in the comics on several occasions.
What is durable enough to sharpen adamantium? Has it ever been shown that Logan shrpens his claws? I'm actually not being a smart ass this time.
Originally posted by jinzin
TEAM JINZIN DOES WHAT HE WANTS!!!!
Jinzin, stop it. I'm the one who does the harassing around here!

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Ben was in a gang as a kid. I find it hard to believe that Ben has never been stabbed before.
againno proof and ALL speculation..

and AGAIN.. what..you think he's been stabbed by 3 foot long blades at the same time in the chest before?



Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, in the Ult. fight, Ben was leaning forward, Wolverine kicks him in the face and he falls on his back?!?! we've already explained this to you before.. you couldn't get it then you won't get it now.. and last time i expained it I colored you a map. you're hopeless...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Not only does that not make sense, in the laws of phycics, it also makes no sense considering Ben's durability it made perfect sense if you take into account the direction of things momentum...

and AGAIN.. this is still in keeping with creshocks argument for artists interpretation.. it doesn't matter if you don't agree with the art since even if the ART is discarded the storyline STILL calls for ben to lose...

Originally posted by jinzin

and no thing didn't KO wolvie since wolverine was right back in the fight... again.. thing=doubled over.. wolverine= hoveringover thing... wolverine was clearly shown to be superior in that particular instance.

he certainly has the strength to stab ben.. his clawsare so damned sharp that hardly any strength at all is needed to accomplish a simple stabbing feat... all you have is fanboy speculation.. you say we're ignoring things character but you're blatently discarding everything logan's actually done and saying it doesn't count...

I already answered your broken record for the champion argument.. and the nerve thing.. well again.. just because reed has trouble understanding his biology doesn't mean those nerves are no longer there...

Ben smacked Wolverine's ass into the next county

The artist pretty much screwed up when he showed Wolverine on the last page.

Second, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab Colossus then

Wrecker's had a hard time trying to pry off a part of Ben's outer hide.

Wrecker's Crowbar >>>> Wolverine's Claws.

Last, Ben is made of freakin rock. His Nervous system is NOTHING like that of a normal human being. Heck even if it was, Ben wouldnt just double over.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Hulk's durability isnt nearly as high as Ben's until he gets very angry.







wait wait wait.. you mean.. "i got koed by 3 punches from juggernaught"-thing is more durable than "I kick things ass on a daily basis" hulk? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, all the fights between Namor and Wolverine have been crap. subjective opinion.. everything thing does is CRAP cause he's a CRAP character, and he's in a CRAPPY team that has CRAPPY storylines.. therefore nothing he's done EVER.. counts.. at all....

Originally posted by Grimm22
Did you just try to justify Wolverine stabbing F***IN THANOS?!?!?! yes actually....

again we've seen no proof that thanos has a high end durability vs. eviseration plain and simple..

also.. infinity gauntlet wasn't a wolverine story.. it was a thanos story that wolverine happened to be in.. apparently the creative team for one of the most powerful versions of thanos STILL thought that wolverine could cut him.. so he did.. unfortunately they made proof.. all you have on your side is opinion.. and it's not even a good one.

Originally posted by jinzin
againno proof and ALL speculation..

and AGAIN.. what..you think he's been stabbed by 3 foot long blades at the same time in the chest before?



we've already explained this to you before.. you couldn't get it then you won't get it now.. and last time i expained it I colored you a map. you're hopeless...

it made perfect sense if you take into account the direction of things momentum...

and AGAIN.. this is still in keeping with creshocks argument for artists interpretation.. it doesn't matter if you don't agree with the art since even if the ART is discarded the storyline STILL calls for ben to lose...

No YOU are the hopeless one. It makes no sense.

Ben is going forward, (for the state of the argument I'll agree he's off balance). Wolverine who was just in back of him somehow jumps forward and kicks Ben in the face (go figure). Ben who was tumbling forward would not then go backwards

Second, Wolverine's Claws are nowhere close to be 3 f***in fear

They are a foot each and Ben was stabbed in the arm, not the chest.

Originally posted by badabing
What is durable enough to sharpen adamantium? Has it ever been shown that Logan shrpens his claws? I'm actually not being a smart ass this time.

Honestly, I have no idea how they could have gotten that sharp. I have seen the things they have been able to cut through with only the force of Wolverine's strength directing them so logic would suggest that somehow they have been sharpened to a ridicules degree. Only a theory but the results speak for themselves.

Originally posted by jinzin








wait wait wait.. you mean.. "i got koed by 3 punches from juggernaught"-thing is more durable than "I kick things ass on a daily basis" hulk? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

subjective opinion.. everything thing does is CRAP cause he's a CRAP character, and he's in a CRAPPY team that has CRAPPY storylines.. therefore nothing he's done EVER.. counts.. at all....

yes actually....

again we've seen no proof that thanos has a high end durability vs. eviseration plain and simple..

also.. infinity gauntlet wasn't a wolverine story.. it was a thanos story that wolverine happened to be in.. apparently the creative team for one of the most powerful versions of thanos STILL thought that wolverine could cut him.. so he did.. unfortunately they made proof.. all you have on your side is opinion.. and it's not even a good one.

First, Namor is WAY WAY WAY WAY out of Wolverine's leauge.

He is stronger, faster, tougher, ect..

Second, try reading Thing's fights with the Hulk before just acting like a Hulk fanboy.

Last, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab the Silver Surfer than. Thanos went toe to toe with f***in guys like Odin?!?

But, a canadian samurai midget is going to stab him?!?!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ben smacked Wolverine's ass into the next county

The artist pretty much screwed up when he showed Wolverine on the last page. wasn't the next county.. it was several blocks.. IF THAT.. and that's being generous... I can sprint several blocks in a minute or so....consindering the fact thatevents took place between him getting hit and the last page.. well...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab Colossus then he very well might be able to... the only time we've ever seen wolverine strike colossus ON PAPER it says that organic steel is no match for admantium...

and lets face it.. wolverine's slashed hulk and it's bounced off the big guy but in a stab he's gone right through him.. same thing could happen if he tried it on collosus .. no evidence exists either way except for collosus being scared shitless everytime wolverine points his claws in big c's direction, and the fact that wolverine has straight up shredded through organic steel like it was paper...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wrecker's had a hard time trying to pry off a part of Ben's outer hide.

Wrecker's Crowbar >>>> Wolverine's Claws.

how is that? in cutting effeciency? NO
in durability? NO


Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, Ben is made of freakin rock. His Nervous system is NOTHING like that of a normal human being. Heck even if it was, Ben wouldnt just double over. so you have no proof then.. you could have just said so.

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Honestly, I have no idea how they could have gotten that sharp. I have seen the things they have been able to cut through with only the force of Wolverine's strength directing them so logic would suggest that somehow they have been sharpened to a ridicules degree. Only a theory but the results speak for themselves.
I guess that's just the design of his claws. They're adamantuim so I'm guessing they won't ever dull.

Originally posted by jinzin
wasn't the next county.. it was several blocks.. IF THAT.. and that's being generous... I can sprint several blocks in a minute or so....consindering the fact thatevents took place between him getting hit and the last page.. well...

he very well might be able to... the only time we've ever seen wolverine strike colossus ON PAPER it says that organic steel is no match for admantium...

and lets face it.. wolverine's slashed hulk and it's bounced off the big guy but in a stab he's gone right through him.. same thing could happen if he tried it on collosus .. no evidence exists either way except for collosus being scared shitless everytime wolverine points his claws in big c's direction, and the fact that wolverine has straight up shredded through organic steel like it was paper...



how is that? in cutting effeciency? NO
in durability? NO


so you have no proof then.. you could have just said so.

First, im not even going to bother discussing the Colossus thing. I'll let the MetalMan and Snoop do that.

Second, Wrecker's Crowbar is magic and has leveled city buildings before

Wrecker who is a LOT stronger than Wolverine had trouble PEELING off part of Ben's hide. Yet, Wolverine just does it with supreme ease?!?

Last, no actually you sir are the one ignoring the facts and the point im making.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Namor is WAY WAY WAY WAY out of Wolverine's leauge.

in some ways I agree.. but the point is.. as long as namor keeps trying to h2h with wolverine like he does in the books he's gonna keep getting stabbed and humiliated...

Originally posted by Grimm22
He is stronger, faster, tougher, ect... I forgeot who I was talking to.. you think everyone wins fights because they're stronger and faster.... hmmm..must of been why ali won all of those fights when he was way past his prime right?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, try reading Thing's fights with the Hulk before just acting like a Hulk fanboy.

I have....

thing can put up a good fight.. sure..for a bit... cause he's usually smarter and a better fighter.. but there's a reason why the only time he's gotten a clear cut victory over hulk was against grey hulk while he was in his transformed spiky state..

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab the Silver Surfer than.
wolverine has..

Originally posted by Grimm22
But, a canadian samurai midget is going to stab him?!?! again..PROVE his durability vs. cutting effeciency..don't just give me speculation. cause I have proof.. and that outweighs speculation.

Originally posted by badabing
I guess that's just the design of his claws. They're adamantuim so I'm guessing they won't ever dull.

It would figure since adamantium is so damn strong nothing would ever chip or dull the blades.

Originally posted by Grimm22
No YOU are the hopeless one. It makes no sense. yes it does.. it just makes no sense to you...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ben is going forward, (for the state of the argument I'll agree he's off balance). Wolverine who was just in back of him somehow jumps forward and kicks Ben in the face (go figure). Ben who was tumbling forward would not then go backwards wolverine sidestepped him and hit him in keeping with the direction of momentum that ben was already falling towards how hard is that to follow?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, Wolverine's Claws are nowhere close to be 3 f***in fear

They are a foot each and Ben was stabbed in the arm, not the chest. I didn't say they were 3 feet long..

I compared your speculation to ben getting stabbed by 3 foot long blades..

or 3-one-foot long blades if that helps you... see you couldn't even comprehend something as simple as that but you want me to explain ultimates to you?

Originally posted by jinzin
in some ways I agree.. but the point is.. as long as namor keeps trying to h2h with wolverine like he does in the books he's gonna keep getting stabbed and humiliated...

I forgeot who I was talking to.. you think everyone wins fights because they're stronger and faster.... hmmm..must of been why ali won all of those fights when he was way past his prime right?



I have....

thing can put up a good fight.. sure..for a bit... cause he's usually smarter and a better fighter.. but there's a reason why the only time he's gotten a clear cut victory over hulk was against grey hulk while he was in his transformed spiky state..


wolverine has..

again..PROVE his durability vs. cutting effeciency..don't just give me speculation. cause I have proof.. and that outweighs speculation.

First, Namor smacks Wolverine into a coma before he knows what the hell is going on

Second, Current Ben >>> Grey Hulk

Last, As I said before Adamantium has the potential to cut nearly anything. However Wolverine dosent have the strength to use it to its potential.

Now say if Colossus chucked Wolverine into Ben, yes he could cut into Ben's inner hide. However simply launching himself off the ground isnt even close to being enough force.

Lets say I have a an unbreakable knife that is really sharp. I leap off the ground and try to stab boulder. Will it go through the boulder? Hell no, not nearly enough force applied. Now lets say Spidey threw the knife at the rock.Would it go through? Hell yeah!

P.S: Wolverine hurting cosmics = Laughable

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, im not even going to bother discussing the Colossus thing. I'll let the MetalMan and Snoop do that.

Second, Wrecker's Crowbar is magic and has leveled city buildings before and wolverine's claws may not be majic but they've STILL leveled

namor,
abomination,
wendigo,
wendigo-mauvais hybrid,
hulk,
thing,
hercules,
tiger shark,
and grey hulk

all characters who have durability>>> buildings..

not to mention friggin sentinals who ARE the size of buildings!



Originally posted by Grimm22
Wrecker who is a LOT stronger than Wolverine had trouble PEELING off part of Ben's hide. Yet, Wolverine just does it with supreme ease?!? because wolverine has tools with a WAYYYYY more superb cutting effeciency than a cluncky crowbar..

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, no actually you sir are the one ignoring the facts and the point im making. no I'm not.. I'm supporting my argument with evidence.. all you've given is speculation...

Originally posted by jinzin
yes it does.. it just makes no sense to you...

wolverine sidestepped him and hit him in keeping with the direction of momentum that ben was already falling towards how hard is that to follow?

I didn't say they were 3 feet long..

I compared your speculation to ben getting stabbed by 3 foot long blades..

or 3-one-foot long blades if that helps you... see you couldn't even comprehend something as simple as that but you want me to explain ultimates to you?

First, Ben was moving FORWARD! If Ben was Falling Backwards and Wolverine kicked him then yes it would make sense. However, he was moving forward then we see Wolverine kicking Ben in the chin and Ben on his back.

Second, you just said...



Has been ever been stabbed with 3 foot long blades in the cheast before? No

However that has nothing to do with this argument

Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine's claws may not be majic but they've STILL leveled

namor,
abomination,
wendigo,
wendigo-mauvais hybrid,
hulk,
thing,
hercules,
tiger shark,
and grey hulk

all characters who have durability>>> buildings..

not to mention friggin sentinals who ARE the size of buildings!

because wolverine has tools with a WAYYYYY more superb cutting effeciency than a cluncky crowbar..


First, Wolverine dosent hit those character with claws which causes them to collapse

He cuts them and hurts them.

Oh and Wolverine only beats Sentinals by cutting out their mainframe, not by toppaling them with hits.

Oh and...

Wrecker's Crowbar >x10000 Wolverine's Claws

Not to mention that "clunky" crowbar sent Wolverine flying a couple of miles.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Namor smacks Wolverine into a coma before he knows what the hell is going on no he doesn't.... in h2h namor is going to have trouble succeeding where multiple parties on par or SLIGHTLY stronger and weaker have failed.. or hell where HE HIMSELF has failed...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, Current Ben >>> Grey Hulk uhh not necissarily

grey hulk had a geometric increase in strength when he got pissed, enough to put him in the realm of contending with savage hulk...
wolverine pissed him off.. A LOT.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, As I said before Adamantium has the potential to cut nearly anything. However Wolverine dosent have the strength to use it to its potential. true.. but this DOES NOT negate the fact that wolverine has cut what and who he has cut.. it's that simple.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Now say if Colossus chucked Wolverine into Ben, yes he could cut into Ben's inner hide. However simply launching himself off the ground isnt even close to being enough force. he doesn't need that all he needs to do is punch.


Originally posted by Grimm22
Lets say I have a an unbreakable knife that is really sharp. I leap off the ground and try to stab boulder. Will it go through the boulder? Hell no, not nearly enough force applied. Now lets say Spidey threw the knife at the rock.Would it go through? Hell yeah! this would only be applicable if the blade was as sharp as wolverine's claws.. if it was.. then yes you could gouge the boulder all day.

Originally posted by Grimm22
P.S: Wolverine hurting cosmics = Laughable so is your ignoring facts but hey.. that's the world we live in.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Ben was moving FORWARD! If Ben was Falling Backwards and Wolverine kicked him then yes it would make sense. However, he was moving forward then we see Wolverine kicking Ben in the chin and Ben on his back. again.. you couldn't grasp it before.. and you'll fail if I try again..
but...
ben was falling forwards.. wolverine SIDE STEPPED and kicked ben FROM THE SIDE... this allows for both thing to fall on his back AND wolverine to take advantage of the momentum.. which he did...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, you just said...



Has been ever been stabbed with 3 foot long blades in the cheast before? No

However that has nothing to do with this argument yes it does.. unless you have any evidence of thing being unharmed from being stabbed b something comparible to wolverine's blades then you can't keep saying a claw strike wouldn't put him down.. cause wolverine has a 100% batting record with that.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Wolverine dosent hit those character with claws which causes them to collapse

He cuts them and hurts them.

Oh and Wolverine only beats Sentinals by cutting out their mainframe, not by toppaling them with hits.

Oh and...

Wrecker's Crowbar >x10000 Wolverine's Claws

Not to mention that "clunky" crowbar sent Wolverine flying a couple of miles. you're mixing up points.. it doesn't matter if the crowbar can topple buildings.... wolverine's claws penetrate through characters and things more durable than buildings..

it doesn't matter if the crowbar sent him flying either.. that doesn't automatically make the crowbar better at cutting than wolverine's claws...

Originally posted by jinzin
no he doesn't.... in h2h namor is going to have trouble succeeding where multiple parties on par or SLIGHTLY stronger and weaker have failed.. or hell where HE HIMSELF has failed...

uhh not necissarily

grey hulk had a geometric increase in strength when he got pissed, enough to put him in the realm of contending with savage hulk...
wolverine pissed him off.. A LOT.

true.. but this DOES NOT negate the fact that wolverine has cut what and who he has cut.. it's that simple.

he doesn't need that all he needs to do is punch.


this would only be applicable if the blade was as sharp as wolverine's claws.. if it was.. then yes you could gouge the boulder all day.

so is your ignoring facts but hey.. that's the world we live in.

First, Namor flys faster than freakin Torch

He can easily KO Wolverine with one punch before Wolverine knows whats happening

Wolverine's claws arent the sharpest thing in the universe.

Its not like everything is like cutting a knife through warm butter to him. Where you apparently think it is.

Last, No you are ignoring the facts. Any street leveler hurting a cosmic is crap

Originally posted by jinzin
you're mixing up points.. it doesn't matter if the crowbar can topple buildings.... wolverine's claws penetrate through characters and things more durable than buildings..

it doesn't matter if the crowbar sent him flying either.. that doesn't automatically make the crowbar better at cutting than wolverine's claws...

Wrecker's crowbar is unbreakable, magic and nearly tore off Collosus's organic metal skin before

Wolverine's claws have NOTHING on Wrecker's crowbar

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Namor flys faster than freakin Torch

He can easily KO Wolverine with one punch before Wolverine knows whats happening if wolverine doesn'tsee him coming... MAYBE he MIGHT be able to KO wolverine... point is.. you're defending namor in a hand to hand with wolverine...

wolverine's cut bullets and rockets, and missiles out of the air but namor's gonnafly into wolvie too fast for wolvie to react?

even though he failed to do that to cap (while incoming from BEHIND)? you know.. the guy WITHOUT wolverine's heightened senses and reflexes....

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine's claws arent the sharpest thing in the universe. strawman.. this isn't my point nor my claim.. so what?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Its not like everything is like cutting a knife through warm butter to him. Where you apparently think it is.
uhh no.. I didn't say that either.. hello strawman.. how are you?

but the fact is there are a LOT of things and characters that wolverine can cut.. that wolverine HAS cut, and that wolverine WILL cut again.. THING falls into this category...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, No you are ignoring the facts. Any street leveler hurting a cosmic is crap he did it using a weapon... it's not like he punched them into submission...
again.. ANYTHING thing'sever done is crap.

Originally posted by jinzin
again.. you couldn't grasp it before.. and you'll fail if I try again..
but...
ben was falling forwards.. wolverine SIDE STEPPED and kicked ben FROM THE SIDE... this allows for both thing to fall on his back AND wolverine to take advantage of the momentum.. which he did...

yes it does.. unless you have any evidence of thing being unharmed from being stabbed b something comparible to wolverine's blades then you can't keep saying a claw strike wouldn't put him down.. cause wolverine has a 100% batting record with that.

First, what hurts more..

A.) Taking more than a DOZEN full blown punches by someone who can lift well over 150 tons and is the greast warrior in the universe

or

B.) Being stabbed in the arm with claws that arent hitting nerves because you can in NO way compare Ben's biology to a normal humans

Yeah im gonna go with answer A on this one

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wrecker's crowbar is unbreakable, magic and nearly tore off Collosus's organic metal skin before

Wolverine's claws have NOTHING on Wrecker's crowbar apparently they do.. since collosus is in one piece and wreckers crowbar failed where wolverine's claws didn't multiple times..

Originally posted by jinzin
ANYTHING thing'sever done is crap.

hysterical

I would LOVE to see Wolverine even attempt to go ONE round with Champion.

Originally posted by jinzin
apparently they do.. since collosus is in one piece and wreckers crowbar failed where wolverine's claws didn't multiple times..

Show me Wolverine cutting Colossus's skin. Oh wait YOU CANT!

Why? Because he NEVER has

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, what hurts more..

A.) Taking more than a DOZEN full blown punches by someone who can lift well over 150 tons and is the greast warrior in the universe

or

B.) Being stabbed in the arm with claws that arent hitting nerves because you can in NO way compare Ben's biology to a normal humans

Yeah im gonna go with answer A on this one
your logical fallacy of limited choice is utterly ridiculous...

thing has a HIDE which is FAR more durable on the outside than on the inside... I can take superpowered hits on the outside if I have an armor designed to do that.. but if I'm still organs on the inside and someone stabs me.. well...

also.. again you can't prove anything about things biology other than that it's different so stop pretending that there's no chance wolverine hit a nerve cluster.. and AGAIN it wasn't the arm it was the clavicular portion of the pectoral muscle IN THE CHEST

Originally posted by Grimm22
hysterical

I would LOVE to see Wolverine even attempt to go ONE round with Champion. the fact that thing did that was crap...