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Well... Kinda. It's still missing something IMO.

There's alot of empty space remaing in the image so it's possible a character or two were taken out so it's not spoiled.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9734/cover180avengersjv9ro6.jpg



But yeah. I'm very interested in seeing how Ares will fit on this team of government lapdogs (assuming they are still lapdogs when Civil War has ended). And Safari suit Wonder Man is back!

Wonder Man is getting his red jacket back? .... sweet!

I just want to see Ares get some props as the god of war and actually live up to it, seriously he should be so badass instead he ends up a tool.

This will be good.

I like how Black Widow of all people is holding the flag.

Sentry is on the team too.

Is bendis still gonna be writing?

Originally posted by Skeets
Is bendis still gonna be writing?
Yeah.

Hope -1

well not even gonna bother with it then.JLA for me.

Frankly they still seem kind of... middle-tier.. though.

Bendis? Ick.

(Everybody has AXM Wolverine sigs now? )

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Frankly they still seem kind of... middle-tier.. though.

Bendis? Ick.

(Everybody has AXM Wolverine sigs now? )
Should I get one too?

Originally posted by Skeets
Should I get one too?
If you want I spose... all the cool kids are doing it.

If I jumped off a bridge, while smoking six cigars and wearing two traffic cones on my chest would you...?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you want I spose... all the cool kids are doing it.

If I jumped off a bridge, while smoking six cigars and wearing two traffic cones on my chest would you...?
I'd follow you to oblivion.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you want I spose... all the cool kids are doing it.

If I jumped off a bridge, while smoking six cigars and wearing two traffic cones on my chest would you...?
for you Mistress I'll do anything.

Originally posted by Validus
I'd follow you to oblivion. Be still my heart.




Ouch.
Originally posted by Skeets
for you Mistress I'll do anything. I thought you were the mistress today. I want to be the fireman.

Originally posted by Validus
I like how Black Widow of all people is holding the flag.

Sentry is on the team too.

Well Black Widow left the soviet union and communism for america and freedom...

Makes sense to me

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well... Kinda. It's still missing something IMO.

There's alot of empty space remaing in the image so it's possible a character or two were taken out so it's not spoiled.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9734/cover180avengersjv9ro6.jpg



But yeah. I'm very interested in seeing how Ares will fit on this team of government lapdogs (assuming they are still lapdogs when Civil War has ended). And Safari suit Wonder Man is back!

Where did you get this cover!

Damn, i was lookign forward to Ares but now it looks that he is with Tony which kinda sucks. I dont like The Black Widow in Tony's team either. I notice that only Wasp is in the team, I wonder whats gonna happen to Giant Man. Hmmm theres a death in Civil War # 4.

That Ares costume is possibly one of the coolest things EVER!

I would prefer if there was another writer on this book seeing how Bendis does his best writing with new avengers characters like Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man, stuff like that

Like the team. Just to bad Bendis is on it.


I'll give it the 4 issue try I give all new series.

Originally posted by Validus
I like how Black Widow of all people is holding the flag.

Sentry is on the team too.

According to who ?

I just presumed that Sentry would join Caps team as Thor is a government agent.
Are there going to be two teams ?


That team lacks versatility. I mean, with the exception of Iron Man and the Black Widow, they're all just strong, flying guys.

Dream 'Big 7' (In recognition of the JLA) Team:

Sentry (Id say Thor but he doesn't go with Storm)
Hulk (Can work with Bob and can act as the Team version of wolverine)
Iron Man (Completes the Big Three that emulate ; Wonder Woman, Superman and Hal Jordan)

Invisible Woman (She's fallen out with Reed, and is probably Marvels second most recognisable female)
Storm (Not really doing anything with the X-men and easily Marvels most recognisable female Character)

Spider man (Provides humour and acts as Marvels symbol)
Captain America (Unlikely to be on a Team with Tony, but still acts as Marvels answer to Superman)

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
According to who ?

I just presumed that Sentry would join Caps team as Thor is a government agent.
Are there going to be two teams ?

According to Bendis. Thor is switching sides and will probably join New Avengers with Cap and all the Anti-Reg people.

Originally posted by Validus
According to Bendis. Thor is switching sides and will probably join New Avengers with Cap and all the Anti-Reg people.

What the hell is the point of War bird and Wonder man with Sentry on same the Team ? It desperately needs a Metamorpho / Green Lantern / Flash / Iceman type character. Iron man is the only higher tier character who can do anything but throw hard punches. I thought War bird was changing sides as well ?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9734/cover180avengersjv9ro6.jpg

I don't like this cover, it looks like every character was drawn by a different artist/colourer team then slapped onto one page: Black Widow looks like an animated character, Iron Man looks like a noob drew him, Ms Marvel almost looks painted, Wonderman looks ok but just doesn't seem to fit in with the picture style (if there is any) and Ares looks like he should be in a darker scene .... Wasp is slightly out of focus as usual.

There is a bright light behind them but none of them are in shadow except for part of Iron Man.

Basically the artwork is shocking.... I hope this isn't the finalised cover work.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I don't like this cover, it looks like every character was drawn by a different artist/colourer team then slapped onto one page: Black Widow looks like an animated character, Iron Man looks like a noob drew him, Ms Marvel almost looks painted, Wonderman looks ok but just doesn't seem to fit in with the picture style (if there is any) and Ares looks like he should be in a darker scene .... Wasp is slightly out of focus as usual.

There is a bright light behind them but none of them are in shadow except for part of Iron Man.

Basically the artwork is shocking.... I hope this isn't the finalised cover work.

I know .... Is this idiot the guy whose going to be doing the whole comic ?

I think this line-up is 100% BADASSERY!!!



Wonder Man's red leather pimp-jacket gives everything a classic feel.
Perhaps throw in Hawkeye and you've got a classic!!!

i'm sure the artwork will be great.
this is just a teaser....wherever it came from......

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I know .... Is this idiot the guy whose going to be doing the whole comic ?

i like Frank cho's art.....

but I have to admit this cover isn't exactly his best work.


and yeah cho will be doing the the art in the book.

where are you guys getting all this info from?

inquiring minds want to know......

New Avengers #26

I smell a retcon...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3691/marvelinnovember20060822080626628hk5.th.jpg

Ms Marvel #9

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1305/marvelinnovember20060822080524006ro7.th.jpg

http://comics.ign.com/articles/727/727089p3.html

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
What the hell is the point of War bird and Wonder man with Sentry on same the Team ? It desperately needs a Metamorpho / Green Lantern / Flash / Iceman type character. Iron man is the only higher tier character who can do anything but throw hard punches. I thought War bird was changing sides as well ?

I dont necessarily agrre with this statement. Sure some aint class 100 heroes but they have proven themselves time and time again. One of the reason I aint a big fan of DC is that they make their characters way to powerful which unbelievable powerful or stupid villains (i.e Superman's Toyman). It makes the battles more interesting when they cant win with the flick of their finger.

Originally posted by Zahit
I think this line-up is 100% BADASSERY!!!



Wonder Man's red leather pimp-jacket gives everything a classic feel.
Perhaps throw in Hawkeye and you've got a classic!!!

i'm sure the artwork will be great.
this is just a teaser....wherever it came from......

I can't see how its so 'bad ass' .... The only characters there i like are Iron Man and the Black Widow. I'd love to know what is everyones fascination with Ares? .... IMO He basically a rubbish Aqua man. I.e. he's royalty with average strength and average durability, withoput a hook/magic hand

*Waits for the wrath of Olympian.*

The reason people are hyped up about Ares is because he just had a mini, which sort of revamped his character and got people (including me) interested in him again. Now, people want to see what happens with his character. They want to see where things go. I, for one, think Ares is pretty badass. I mean, he's the God of War... you'd have to TRY to not make that badass.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I dont necessarily agrre with this statement. Sure some aint class 100 heroes but they have proven themselves time and time again. One of the reason I aint a big fan of DC is that they make their characters way to powerful which unbelievable powerful or stupid villains (i.e Superman's Toyman). It makes the battles more interesting when they cant win with the flick of their finger.

Ok... what the are you talking about ? When have you seen any comics where the fights have been as easy and mundane as superheroes flicking their fingers. IMO you have a very naive misconception about D.C. super teams. If you read any of the last volumes of JLA or JSA (Both teams with characters of a variety of powers and powerlevels) you'd be suprised at the quality of the written stories.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I'd love to know what is everyones fascination with Ares? .... IMO He basically a rubbish Aqua man. I.e. he's royalty with average strength and average durability

Did you read his 5 issue series? the other gods are afraid of him, he's like the Super-Midnighter

Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you read his 5 issue series? the other gods are afraid of him, he's like the Super-Midnighter
He's gay?

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
you'd have to TRY to not make that badass.

I'm sure Ben-dis is up to the challenge .... hes succeeded in that department with Sentry.

If the FF dosent get back toghether Post-Civil War

Then I would like to see Ben join Cap's team

Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you read his 5 issue series? the other gods are afraid of him, he's like the Super-Midnighter

I stopped collecting minis after the immense failures that where Drax the Destroyer and Sentry, as well as various Infinite Crisis ones. I blew alot of money last year on some pretty average comics.

He sounds kinda cool though .... I take it he's basically replacing Wolverine as the teams 'badass' ? It worked well for Orion.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you read his 5 issue series? the other gods are afraid of him, he's like the Super-Midnighter

they weren't really afraid of him....they thought they were better then him and that he was just a brute who was good to use in times of war and nothing else.


thought that seemed to change at the end of the mini...

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I stopped collecting minis after the immense failures that where Drax the Destroyer and Sentry, as well as various Infinite Crisis ones. I blew alot of money last year on some pretty average comics.

Yeah a ton of IC crossovers sucked ass

Originally posted by Grimm22
If the FF dosent get back toghether Post-Civil War

Then I would like to see Ben join Cap's team

Id love to see Ben as an Avenger .... I think he one of the best characterisations around, and could do with stamping his authority as one of marvels premiere big hitters.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Id love to see Ben as an Avenger .... I think he one of the best characterisations around, and could do with stamping his authority as one of marvels premiere big hitters.

He was in West Coast Avengers for a while. Sadly though they took him off for some reason

Rather Marvel had him become a pro-wrestaler?!?!

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I stopped collecting minis after the immense failures that where Drax the Destroyer and Sentry, as well as various Infinite Crisis ones. I blew alot of money last year on some pretty average comics.


Ares mini>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Drax and the sentry Mini.

I was never that big a fan of the Marvel gods before reading the mini but after hearing so many people recommending it to me I decided to check it out. I'm glad I did.


and it's worth reading just to see Herc and Ares version of the fastball special.

Originally posted by Black Adam
Ares mini>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Drax and the sentry Mini.

I was never that big a fan of the Marvel gods before reading the mini but after hearing so many people recommending it to me I decided to check it out. I'm glad I did.


and it's worth reading just to see Herc and Ares version of the fastball special.

The 1st couple issues of Ares were f***in amazing!

It kind of died down a little after that, but it was still good

in an interview with a large number of the minds behind civil war, bendis started tossing around some strange ideas about what might happen post-CW. including suggesting that stark and cap might be changing roles, as each of them personifies a certain aspect of america. "who's to say it's even tony wearing the armor, or steve wearing the suit?" i believe that was the quote.

so don't get your minds to racing too hard, because you could all be looking in the wrong directions.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ok... what the are you talking about ? When have you seen any comics where the fights have been as easy and mundane as superheroes flicking their fingers. IMO you have a very naive misconception about D.C. super teams. If you read any of the last volumes of JLA or JSA (Both teams with characters of a variety of powers and powerlevels) you'd be suprised at the quality of the written stories.

My point is that u dont have to have class 100 characters to have a good storyline. JLA has too many powerhouses, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Superman, Martian Manhunter, characters that hardly have any weakneses. The most recent incarnation of the JLA is the more diversified since it has a couple of heroes that aint level 100. The DC teams i like the most are Birds of Prey and Teen Titans, teams that dont necesarily are the most powerful. DC overpower its characters, Marvel characters are more believable.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Marvel characters are more believable.

That is debatable...

And just because a hero can lift 100 tons or more doesnt mean his book will automatically suck...

I wanna see Ares vs. Thor...

God Of Thunder vs. God Of War

Thor would overpower him.... but he'd probably take a couple of injuries along the way

Originally posted by Rewmac
I wanna see Ares vs. Thor...

God Of Thunder vs. God Of War

My money is on Ares.

Would be a great battle...

If they fight h2h, Ares will murder Thor

Originally posted by Scoobless
Thor would overpower him.... but he'd probably take a couple of injuries along the way

Originally posted by Grimm22
If they fight h2h, Ares will murder Thor

I agree. Taken Thor is more popular but that aside Ares is the god of war. He'll win and i believe he'll use any means necessary.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I agree. Taken Thor is more popular but that aside Ares is the god of war. He'll win and i believe he'll use any means necessary.

You mean like this?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/912/ares320ga9.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1554/ares321kx5.th.jpg http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2228/ares322ff6.th.jpg
___________

Though I think he stole that fire "move" from Orion ...

Originally posted by Scoobless
You mean like this?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/912/ares320ga9.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1554/ares321kx5.th.jpg http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2228/ares322ff6.th.jpg
___________

Though I think he stole that fire "move" from Orion ...



thanks for posting the fastball special.

Originally posted by Scoobless
You mean like this?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/912/ares320ga9.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1554/ares321kx5.th.jpg http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2228/ares322ff6.th.jpg
___________

Though I think he stole that fire "move" from Orion ...


Exactly like that.

the guns just seem out of place for a god...

He ditched them for other weapons as soon as the bullets ran out

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
My point is that u dont have to have class 100 characters to have a good storyline. JLA has too many powerhouses, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Superman, Martian Manhunter, characters that hardly have any weakneses.

But you'll very rarely find them sorting out problems with their fists, so i think you'll find, youre still 'chasing shadows' with youre point. Infact I think youre arguement is far more appropriate when applied to the LAST volume of the Avengers. If u read most of the stories created by Brusiek they often followed certain a formula involing 'miraculous' escapes, generally followed by a serries of unorginal punch ups. Infact power creativity has never really been associated with the Avengers. On the other hand, Morrisson and Waid showed they where masters of it, during their respective JLA runs.



Originally posted by Darth Vicious
The most recent incarnation of the JLA is the more diversified since it has a couple of heroes that aint level 100. The DC teams i like the most are Birds of Prey and Teen Titans, teams that dont necesarily are the most powerful.

The JLA IMO, has always been the last resort team that deals with the Uber problems that the other teams can't handle. Infact i think Metzler put it brillaintly, when he considred why a character; who could move planets and can travel at near light velocities would need team mates ? He concluded that the JLA is all bout threats and problems that the Gods cannot 'tackle'. Which is why you need the uber characters on the team and wide diversity in 'fire power'. For example, Aquaman is not on the team becasue of his strength and durability, but because of his other abilities and resources. The same applies to the M.M and G.L.

I dont have problem with the general 'weakness' of this Avengers team, infact i think its considerably stronger than the last one. But it does lack adaptability espcially in the useage of powers. I think Bendis has dug himself a hole, as i think many of the fights/battles are going to descend into nothing more than Baroom brawls.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
DC overpower its characters, Marvel characters are more believable.

Rubbish .... Powers provided by radioactive Spiders, Nuclear Blasts and Cosmic rays are not more believable.

I hate when people pull out this, 'I read Marvel because D.C.overpower their heroes and marvel is more beilevable' card. Its Ironic they are the ones who usaully state that characters like Thor, Hulk, Wonderman, Hercules Silver surfer e.t.c. could easilly beat D.C. higher teir characters, in the vrs forum.

Originally posted by Scoobless
You mean like this?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/912/ares320ga9.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1554/ares321kx5.th.jpg http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2228/ares322ff6.th.jpg
___________

Though I think he stole that fire "move" from Orion ...

That is quite cool .... Although i think he could do with a KANG/Forge power. I.e. Kang can pull any appropriate weapon/shielding from any point in time, and Forge's mutant powers is to create any weapon he can think of. It could be some sort of quantum probability power, where he literally alters probability (Maybe with his godlike magic) to provide himself with the weapon he needs. What does everyone think ?

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
But you'll very rarely find them sorting out problems with their fists, so i think you'll find, youre still 'chasing shadows' with youre point. Infact I think youre arguement is far more appropriate when applied to the LAST volume of the Avengers. If u read most of the stories created by Brusiek they often followed certain a formula involing 'miraculous' escapes, generally followed by a serries of unorginal punch ups. Infact power creativity has never really been associated with the Avengers. On the other hand, Morrisson and Waid showed they where masters of it, during their respective JLA runs.





The JLA IMO, has always been the last resort team that deals with the Uber problems that the other teams can't handle. Infact i think Metzler put it brillaintly, when he considred why a character; who could move planets and can travel at near light velocities would need team mates ? He concluded that the JLA is all bout threats and problems that the Gods cannot 'tackle'. Which is why you need the uber characters on the team and wide diversity in 'fire power'. For example, Aquaman is not on the team becasue of his strength and durability, but because of his other abilities and resources. The same applies to the M.M and G.L.

I dont have problem with the general 'weakness' of this Avengers team, infact i think its considerably stronger than the last one. But it does lack adaptability espcially in the useage of powers. I think Bendis has dug himself a hole, as i think many of the fights/battles are going to descend into nothing more than Baroom brawls.



Rubbish .... Powers provided by radioactive Spiders, Nuclear Blasts and Cosmic rays are not more believable.

I hate when people pull out this, 'I read Marvel because D.C.overpower their heroes and marvel is more beilevable' card. Its Ironic they are the ones who usaully state that characters like Thor, Hulk, Wonderman, Hercules Silver surfer e.t.c. could easilly beat D.C. higher teir characters, in the vrs forum.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
That is quite cool .... Although i think he could do with a KANG/Forge power. I.e. Kang can pull any appropriate weapon/shielding from any point in time, and Forge's mutant powers is to create any weapon he can think of. It could be some sort of quantum probability power, where he literally alters probability (Maybe with his godlike magic) to provide himself with the weapon he needs. What does everyone think ?

Nah, I think a guy like Ares needs a week long cooling off period between ordering weapons and receiving them

I waana see Ares take up the Grasscutter sword from the mini.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nah, I think a guy like Ares needs a week long cooling off period between ordering weapons and receiving them

"Hello, sir, how can I help you?"

"Yeah...I'd, I'd like to buy some guns."

"Weapons are our speciality, sir, are you a previous customer?"

"Uhh, no."

"Very well, may I have your name and weapon license to have you put in our records and see what kind of weapons you may be able to purchase?"

"License?"

"Yes, you need a license for a specific type of weapons. What would you like to have?"

*Shows the person this list*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Gun_Related_topics

"...you do realize that there will be a VERY long waiting period for this stuff?"

"How long? I need them by tomorrow."

"...fifteen years..."

He could just steal some from the punisher

that would make for a very pissed off Frank.......wait, do you think he'll notice?

and btw whens the next New Avengers ish going to come out anyway? discussing Sentry? or is it out and am i late?

I'm liking this team A LOT, and once Sentry joins as rumored, look out!!

I like the fact that this team will kick ass in the brains and power department, but they need someone who can manipulate energy to top it off.

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
department, but they need someone who can manipulate energy to top it off.

Agreed .... Infact they need someone that can manipulate anything but their arms and fists.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Agreed .... Infact they need someone that can manipulate anything but their arms and fists.

Carol will probably find she can turn back into Binary ... or Binary-Lite, sometime soon

For a team thats been touted as the strongest team of Marvel, they lack power, imo.
Toss in BRB, add Ares with the Grasscutter, and his original ancient armor, and toss in Zemo with 3 moonstones.
And add in a true blue class 100 Vision!!
Thats a team with power.
This team isn't going to be used for any big seven debates, for sure.

Originally posted by UniOmni

This team isn't going to be used for any big seven debates, for sure.

You'll be suprised what a little hyperbole and Sentry are capable of.

Marvel isn't ignorant to the underpowered fact. It's been awhile since they've had the Earth's Mightiest Heroes tagline.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
You'll be suprised what a little hyperbole and Sentry are capable of.

I don't stand on hyperbole. Others may use it, but i won't. Thats what i should've said.

Thats why i don't gush over Superman Prime, Sentry or any other character who gets by on shadowy wordplay.

And Vally, thats the problem.
The Avengers are there to fight those who single heroes can't.

The way that team stands, i'd feel better sending Beta Ray Bill after a big bad, than that mass of mediocrity, who combined still probably don't equal him.

Thats like the Outsiders.

I'd rather send Superman after a big baddie, than them.
But thats fine, since the Outsiders aren't meant to be DC's most powerful team.
The Avengers don't have that lack of responsibility. They are the team, to go to..........Or were, at one point.

Originally posted by Validus
Marvel isn't ignorant to the underpowered fact. It's been awhile since they've had the Earth's Mightiest Heroes tagline.

The problem is most of their high powered characters really suck in the personality department. I mean D.C. has spent the last 30 - 40 years focusing mainly on developing its Big 7 characters. I'm not saying they are best characterisations around, because the certainly aren't. But they are superior, character wise to what Marvel considers its 'Mightiest Mortals'. There are of course exception, for example I love Iron man and I've always preferred Vision to Jonn Jonnzz, but Marvels other characters really are 1 Dimensional. That must be a problem when writers are trying to create internal team tension.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't stand on hyperbole. Others may use it, but i won't. Thats what i should've said.

Thats why i don't gush over Superman Prime, Sentry or any other character who gets by on shadowy wordplay.

Originally posted by Validus
Marvel isn't ignorant to the underpowered fact. It's been awhile since they've had the Earth's Mightiest Heroes tagline.

Meh ... the Defenders are usually the most powerful Marvel Earth based team ... especially when Thor isn't around

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman


Whats so funny??

If you do see me as the type to stand on it, let me know so i can at least defend myself if need be.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Whats so funny??

If you do see me as the type to stand on it, let me know so i can at least defend myself if need be.

No ofense meant ..... I found this quite funny (Sorry i have a bizarre sense of humour)


'Thats why i don't gush over Superman Prime, Sentry or any other character who gets by on shadowy wordplay.'

Sorry

Originally posted by UniOmni


And Vally, thats the problem.
The Avengers are there to fight those who single heroes can't.

The way that team stands, i'd feel better sending Beta Ray Bill after a big bad, than that mass of mediocrity, who combined still probably don't equal him.

Thats like the Outsiders.

I'd rather send Superman after a big baddie, than them.
But thats fine, since the Outsiders aren't meant to be DC's most powerful team.
The Avengers don't have that lack of responsibility. They are the team, to go to..........Or were, at one point.

Fare point, which is why i named what is marvel's Equivalent of the big 7 (In mind that D.C.'s big 7 arent actually the 7 most powerful characters)
on the firts page.

Sentry (I would have Thor, but you cant have him on the same team as Storm)
Iron Man
Hulk
Storm
Suzanne Richards
Captain Ammerica
Spiderman.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No ofense meant ..... I found this quite funny (Sorry i have a bizarre sense of humour)


'Thats why i don't gush over Superman Prime, Sentry or any other character who gets by on shadowy wordplay.'

Sorry


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Defenders are like 763 times more interesting then any lineup of Avengers. Big 4 that is, Nighthawk, Hellcat and Valkyrie still suck.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Defenders are like 763 times more interesting then any lineup of Avengers. Big 4 that is, Nighthawk, Hellcat and Valkyrie still suck.

You only feel that way cuz a damp muscled man in speedos is a core member.















































Pervert

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Defenders are like 763 times more interesting then any lineup of Avengers. Big 4 that is, Nighthawk, Hellcat and Valkyrie still suck.

Nighthawk is badass in Supreme power.

I don't have much experience with Defenders. All I've read are the recent Giffen mini and The Order mini.

Originally posted by UniOmni
You only feel that way cuz a damp muscled man in speedos is a core member.

Yes. Yes I do.

Originally posted by Validus
I don't have much experience with Defenders. All I've read are the recent Giffen mini and The Order mini. Some stories with them are quite good...then the "Small Three" arrived hogged the spotlight.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Fare point, which is why i named what is marvel's Equivalent of the big 7 (In mind that D.C.'s big 7 arent actually the 7 most powerful characters)
on the firts page.

Sentry (I would have Thor, but you cant have him on the same team as Storm)
Iron Man
Hulk
Storm
Suzanne Richards
Captain Ammerica
Spiderman.

First, Storm should never be in Avengers. She is an x-man.

Second, Hulk?!? Hulk is in no way a team player

Last, Sue needs to be in the FF. Along with Reed. Its just not the FF without them

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
But you'll very rarely find them sorting out problems with their fists, so i think you'll find, youre still 'chasing shadows' with youre point. Infact I think youre arguement is far more appropriate when applied to the LAST volume of the Avengers. If u read most of the stories created by Brusiek they often followed certain a formula involing 'miraculous' escapes, generally followed by a serries of unorginal punch ups. Infact power creativity has never really been associated with the Avengers. On the other hand, Morrisson and Waid showed they where masters of it, during their respective JLA runs.

My point was that The Avengers or any other team needs class 100 characters to be interesting and according to you the team was lacking because it didnt have a Metamorpho / Green Lantern / Flash / Iceman type character.


Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Rubbish .... Powers provided by radioactive Spiders, Nuclear Blasts and Cosmic rays are not more believable.

I hate when people pull out this, 'I read Marvel because D.C.overpower their heroes and marvel is more beilevable' card. Its Ironic they are the ones who usaully state that characters like Thor, Hulk, Wonderman, Hercules Silver surfer e.t.c. could easilly beat D.C. higher teir characters, in the vrs forum.

Nuclear Blast??? Do u meant Gamma? If u r referring to the Hulk, I never even mentioned him or was reffering to him when I said more Marvel characters are believeable. Now is my turn to call u NAIVE. In this day and age, were all kinds of scientific and technological advantages are made every day is it so hard to believe that a person could gain some extraordinare abilities (I dont mean exactly like Spidey) by being bitten by a "radioactive" spider, a spider that has been scientifically manipulated, experimented on? Im not even gonna get into the "cosmic rays" because nobody knows the effects any spacial rays,"cosmic" or otherwise on a human being. I guess is more plausible to believe that theres a Green Lantern Corps or Nova Corps for that matter somewhere in deep space or that theres a race of "Hawk" people in space as well among other things.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman

I hate when people pull out this, 'I read Marvel because D.C.overpower their heroes and marvel is more beilevable' card. Its Ironic they are the ones who usaully state that characters like Thor, Hulk, Wonderman, Hercules Silver surfer e.t.c. could easilly beat D.C. higher teir characters, in the vrs forum.

I dont believe I have ever bothered with versus forums/threads. If I do happen to get involve in the future I would look at both characters equally and give my opinion, just because is a MArvel character they would win automatically in my book but it seems that in your book all DC are unbeatable. I read Marvel because I honestly believe that Marvel has the best artists and the most interesting stories. i admit that as a couple of years ago when DC started using good artists(Ironically most of them perfected their craft at Marvel) and having really interesting stories that I started getting into their stuff. Im not saying that anything before that was bad but it was rare that they came out with something really good.I think that Batman:Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Batman:Hush, Identity Crisis have been very interesting storylines.

I am Scoob! ... Lord of the double post and God of pointing out typing errors!!!!

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
is it so hard to believe that a person could gain some extraordinare abilities (I dont mean exactly like Spidey) by being bitten by a "radioactive" spider, a spider that has been scientifically manipulated, experimented on?

Magic Spider!... it was a radioactive MAGIC spider....

I bet people feel really dumb for doubting it's believability now! ....

Originally posted by Scoobless
Magic Spider!... it was a radioactive MAGIC spider....

I bet people feel really dumb for doubting it's believability now! ....

I had in mind Ultimate Spidey and movie version spider.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The problem is most of their high powered characters really suck in the personality department. I mean D.C. has spent the last 30 - 40 years focusing mainly on developing its Big 7 characters. I'm not saying they are best characterisations around, because the certainly aren't. But they are superior, character wise to what Marvel considers its 'Mightiest Mortals'. There are of course exception, for example I love Iron man and I've always preferred Vision to Jonn Jonnzz, but Marvels other characters really are 1 Dimensional. That must be a problem when writers are trying to create internal team tension.

K, I've just read through your anti-Marvel sentients in peace but this last point just really made it hard not to say anything. Most of Marvel's characters are way more interesting than DC's. For the longest time DC was about power. The more powerful the better. I'll admit in recent times they have become a lot more character driven, which is why I've started regularly reading some DC titles now, but there are still many DC characters that remain one-dimensional. Marvel on the other hand has many heavy hitters that are very deep. Iron Man and Carol's drinking was very interesting. Genis's insecurity and his inability to live up to his father's legacy is another interesting plot point, Wonderman's constant rise and falls, Vision's jealously of having another's brain patterns thus not being his own person etc. There are alot of heavy hitters in Marvel who are developed. You may not like them but it doesn't mean they exist. On the other hand DC has some ridiculously high powered heroes who are driven by powers than anything else. Morrison's JLA was good but it proves what I'm saying. There were good character moments but then there are feats like Aquaman giving people siezures? Powers were amped for convenience of story and while the plots where good and at times where character driven many times all we see are feats of strength and power from the heroes.

As a rule of thumb I say DC heroes are defined by their powers and Marvel heroes are defined by their personalities

Originally posted by marvelprince
K, I've just read through your anti-Marvel sentients in peace but this last point just really made it hard not to say anything. Most of Marvel's characters are way more interesting than DC's. For the longest time DC was about power. The more powerful the better. I'll admit in recent times they have become a lot more character driven, which is why I've started regularly reading some DC titles now, but there are still many DC characters that remain one-dimensional. Marvel on the other hand has many heavy hitters that are very deep. Iron Man and Carol's drinking was very interesting. Genis's insecurity and his inability to live up to his father's legacy is another interesting plot point, Wonder man's constant rise and falls, Vision's jealously of having another's brain patterns thus not being his own person etc. There are alot of heavy hitters in Marvel who are developed. You may not like them but it doesn't mean they exist. On the other hand DC has some ridiculously high powered heroes who are driven by powers than anything else. Morrison's JLA was good but it proves what I'm saying. There were good character moments but then there are feats like Aquaman giving people siezures? Powers were amped for convenience of story and while the plots where good and at times where character driven many times all we see are feats of strength and power from the heroes.

As a rule of thumb I say DC heroes are defined by their powers and Marvel heroes are defined by their personalities

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are referring to characters that are SO unpopular that can't even maintain an ongoing title. I've read a lot of the last Gennis run, and the writing is nothing short of shocking. Take a really bad Superman/Green Lantern issue and then let Chris Claremont **** it up a little, and you still don't come close to the atrocity that was the last Captain Marvel series. Joe Queseda has stated that he cant stand the character, and is very glad to see him dead. To compare that 'tripe' to the Morison's run on the JLA really illustrate what mediocre taste you have. IMO its as bad as stating that XXX is a better movie than the Godfather. The only thing ever interesting about Wonder man was his relationship with Wanda. That whole lack of confidence thing, was a real insight into how hard marvel writers have found it to inject any substance into the Avengers personalities. Your points about Iron man and Vision are mute, as i had previously mentioned them in my original post. IMO its evident that you have yet to read my post in its entirety, as you have generally missed the point . The fact that you have interpreted as a direct attack of Marvel Comics, clearly demonstrtaes you're desperation to defend the company, on the basis of ignorance and naievity.

Originally posted by marvelprince
As a rule of thumb I say DC heroes are defined by their powers and Marvel heroes are defined by their personalities

I agree that characterisation is one of Marvels strengths, but its a strength that is yet to EVER be applied to their mightiest mortals.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious



Nuclear Blast??? Do u meant Gamma? If u r referring to the Hulk, I never even mentioned him or was reffering to him when I said more Marvel characters are believeable. Now is my turn to call u NAIVE. In this day and age, were all kinds of scientific and technological advantages are made every day is it so hard to believe that a person could gain some extraordinare abilities (I dont mean exactly like Spidey) by being bitten by a "radioactive" spider, a spider that has been scientifically manipulated, experimented on? Im not even gonna get into the "cosmic rays" because nobody knows the effects any spacial rays,"cosmic" or otherwise on a human being. I guess is more plausible to believe that theres a Green Lantern Corps or Nova Corps for that matter somewhere in deep space or that theres a race of "Hawk" people in space as well among other things.

Sorry mate but i think you should do some research b4 stating the above .... Radioactive Spiders do not transfer DNA through Venom. The only thing Peter Parker should of got from the bite was a case of Spider Venom followed by a headache and maybe the shits.

Nuclear Blasts do not create 500 lb Green Monsters, you're more likely to be mutated by a Stick of Dynamite , i.e. at least you would have less a chance of being incinerated.

Cosmic Rays, do nothing except give Astronauts Cancer. Cosmic rays are basically Ions (Charged particles), fired out from the sun at high velocities. One is more likely to gain Superpowers from a high powered Light bulb.


On the question of whether there is a Green Lantern Corp Out there ?, I would say probably no, but it is possible. In Warren Ellis Planetary, the Guardians are no longer little Green Men, but components of a Super Computer, with access to reality warping machinery controlled by the mind. Is such equipment possible ?, at the moment most scientist would tell you no. But as stated by Arthur C. Clarke, technology used by beings that are 1000's, millions or maybe Billions of times smarter than current Civilisations will be so advanced, they will seem almost magical. With the new discoveries being made in Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech, whose to say what there isn't a Lantern Corp with technology of 'Gods'. As stated by Arthur C. Clark, 'What isn't impossible will some day happen'.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Sorry mate but i think you should do some research b4 stating the above .... Radioactive Spiders do not transfer DNA through Venom. The only thing Peter Parker should of got from the bite was a case of Spider Venom followed by a headache and maybe the shits.

Nuclear Blasts do not create 500 lb Green Monsters, you're more likely to be mutated by a Stick of Dynamite , i.e. at least you would have less a chance of being incinerated.

Cosmic Rays, do nothing except give Astronauts Cancer. Cosmic rays are basically Ions (Charged particles), fired out from the sun at high velocities. One is more likely to gain Superpowers from a high powered Light bulb.


On the question of whether there is a Green Lantern Corp Out there ?, I would say probably no, but it is possible. In Warren Ellis Planetary, the Guardians are no longer little Green Men, but components of a Super Computer, with access to reality warping machinery controlled by the mind. Is such equipment possible ?, at the moment most scientist would tell you no. But as stated by Arthur C. Clarke, technology used by beings that are 1000's, millions or maybe Billions of times smarter than current Civilisations will be so advanced, they will seem almost magical. With the new discoveries being made in Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech, whose to say what there isn't a Lantern Corp with technology of 'Gods'. As stated by Arthur C. Clark, 'What isn't impossible will some day happen'.

Somehowhow none of Marvels origins or the very leats the ones mentioned are plausible at the very least but somehow a Green Lantern Corps is very possible but I guess none of ur theory about Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech and technology of the gods apply to a possible alteration in human dna granting said subject to "magical" powers. I guess they dont apply to any Marvel character perhaps because in your view they are not as cool as DC characters whih is basically the bottom line, you like/love DC comics and nothing no one says will make sense to you. By the way get ur facts straight, Bruce Banner wasnt caught in a "Nuclear blast", it was a freaking "GAMMA BOMB" but then again I dont think u ever bothered to pick a Marvel book.

It's pointless to argue which company has the more realistic characters. They both just as ridiculous as the other.

And who cares anyway?

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Somehowhow none of Marvels origins or the very leats the ones mentioned are plausible at the very least but somehow a Green Lantern Corps is very possible but I guess none of ur theory about Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech and technology of the gods apply to a possible alteration in human dna granting said subject to "magical" powers. I guess they dont apply to any Marvel character perhaps because in your view they are not as cool as DC characters whih is basically the bottom line, you like/love DC comics and nothing no one says will make sense to you. By the way get ur facts straight, Bruce Banner wasnt caught in a "Nuclear blast", it was a freaking "GAMMA BOMB" but then again I dont think u ever bothered to pick a Marvel book.


Missed my point completely ..... Of course those advances in science could be used to explain the Marvel origins, yet they sytill maintain the old inaccurate ones. Stan Lee, has always explained Super powers by accidental circumstances, something that is intrinsically flawed . Entropy (a fundamental law of the universe) causes things to deteriorate from a state of oder to chaos. Stan Lee's origins on the other hand, use the concept of Entropy to cause Order. Something that by definition is impossible.

D.C. on the other hand has always been better at providing less chaotic explanations for Super Powers. In most cases the Super Powers are provided by higher more advanced Entities, whether it is the genetic engineering of a civilisation millions of years more advanced, the energy of the God wave, or the technology of a society nearly as old as the cosmos itself. But as you have stated, the plausibility of such factors is questionable. The difference is, they AREN"T IMPOSSIBLE.

Anyway it was you who made the original point that Marvel where more realistic. IMO they are both as unrealistic as each other. If you want a more realistic Super hero comic, I suggest you pick up Supreme Power or even Planetary.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I guess they dont apply to any Marvel character perhaps because in your view they are not as cool as DC characters whih is basically the bottom line, you like/love DC comics and nothing no one says will make sense to you. By the way get ur facts straight, Bruce Banner wasnt caught in a "Nuclear blast", it was a freaking "GAMMA BOMB" but then again I dont think u ever bothered to pick a Marvel book.

Ok was that really necessary ?, I read as many Marvel books as D.C. books. I really couldn't give a shit about the perpetual rivalry that exist on this, and many other Forums. I read comics for their quality, hence my rather obscure pull list. B.T.W. Nuclear bombs emit gamma rays, when they explode. In fact the idea of 'Gamma bomb' with out any form of nuclear Fission/Fusion is as retarded as the Hulks origin. I suggest you get you're facts right b4, getting ironically hysterical about something you are accusing me of.

realism in comics? Give me a break.

Originally posted by Arahan
realism in comics? Give me a break.

*Breaks Arahan's leg*

I want as much realism in my comics as I can get

Originally posted by Arahan
realism in comics? Give me a break.

Read Planetary or Supreme Power.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Don't take this the wrong way, but you are referring to characters that are SO unpopular that can't even maintain an ongoing title. I've read a lot of the last Gennis run, and the writing is nothing short of shocking. Take a really bad Superman/Green Lantern issue and then let Chris Claremont **** it up a little, and you still don't come close to the atrocity that was the last Captain Marvel series. Joe Queseda has stated that he cant stand the character, and is very glad to see him dead. To compare that 'tripe' to the Morison's run on the JLA really illustrate what mediocre taste you have. IMO its as bad as stating that XXX is a better movie than the Godfather. The only thing ever interesting about Wonder man was his relationship with Wanda. That whole lack of confidence thing, was a real insight into how hard marvel writers have found it to inject any substance into the Avengers personalities. Your points about Iron man and Vision are mute, as i had previously mentioned them in my original post. IMO its evident that you have yet to read my post in its entirety, as you have generally missed the point . The fact that you have interpreted as a direct attack of Marvel Comics, clearly demonstrtaes you're desperation to defend the company, on the basis of ignorance and naievity.

Popular isn't always in direct proportion to characterization. Look at Superman and Batman a few years ago. And I wasn't speaking in terms of solo series, I meant in respect to team books. Look at Wonderwoman. She's pretty popular and yet the only reason they don't cancel her book is because she's part of their trinity or whatver. I don't think I ever said Morrison's run was bad, I only used it to point out a time when powers drove a lot of the stories. No, that lack of confidence showed Marvel actually wanted something to drive the character instead of having him lift the sun or something. I did read your entire post, didn't construe it as an attack per se, just passive aggressive way of putting them down. I only jumped in cause you obviously are basing all of your facts on your own opinion

I agree that characterisation is one of Marvels strengths, but its a strength that is yet to EVER be applied to their mightiest mortals.

.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman

Ok was that really necessary ?, I read as many Marvel books as D.C. books. I really couldn't give a shit about the perpetual rivalry that exist on this, and many other Forums. I read comics for their quality, hence my rather obscure pull list. B.T.W. Nuclear bombs emit gamma rays, when they explode. In fact the idea of 'Gamma bomb' with out any form of nuclear Fission/Fusion is as retarded as the Hulks origin. I suggest you get you're facts right b4, getting ironically hysterical about something you are accusing me of.

Since u seem to be the outmost authorithy in Gamma Bombs, radioactive Spiders and Interstellar poice corps it is pointless to keep arguing with someone of ur superior intellect. You could have read ever single book Marvel has ever published but the bottom line is u r bias, not only in this thread but some other ones were u keep pointing out how DC is better than Marvel and no matter who says anything in favor of Marvel u'll always find and excuse, theory or whatever to justify said explanation.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Since u seem to be the outmost authorithy in Gamma Bombs, radioactive Spiders and Interstellar poice corps it is pointless to keep arguing with someone of ur superior intellect. You could have read ever single book Marvel has ever published but the bottom line is u r bias, not only in this thread but some other ones were u keep pointing out how DC is better than Marvel and no matter who says anything in favor of Marvel u'll always find and excuse, theory or whatever to justify said explanation.

*Eats Sour Grapes*

I disagree, I just believe that the JLA has always been FAR better than the Avengers (I.e. the Marvel equivalent) When it comes to street level and Teen titles i think Marvel are superior. The astonishing X-men and the Ultimates have been the best team books for the last 2-3 years. I've also miles preferred the Runaways and the Young Avengers to the Teen Titans. The point is you have taken this completely out of context. My criticisms where aimed at the Avengers, instead of Marvel in general. Youre inability to see this illustartes youre burning juvenile passion for Marvel, that is clearly clouding youre judgement.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
*Eats Sour Grapes*

Youre inability to see this illustartes youre burning juvenile passion for Marvel, that is clearly clouding youre judgement.

Go F**K urself! I like Marvel because ever since I started collecting they have had more enterntaining and superior material than DC until a few years ago that DC finally started delivering good storylines, they started using high quiality artists. DC's biggest event this year, Infinite Crisis was a recycled storylined from 21 yrs ago which didnt live to expectations. The only one here with a juvenile passion for DC character is YOU. Perhaps your real passion is Superman the Man of Steel for more reasons than one!

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF30art/MIGHTAVN002cov_col.jpg




Fuh-fuh-fuh-female Ultron?!?


Alkhema?


Can anyone else see them slowly turning every character into a female just so Cho can draw them as such... ?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui

Fuh-fuh-fuh-female Ultron?!?


Alkhema?


Can anyone else see them slowly turning every character into a female just so Cho can draw them as such... ?

Yeah that's who I first thought of. Interesting issue for #2

haha nicely put.

Got my interest. She was also my guess but I don't think they're gonna go that way. She had different brain patterns IIRC but from the solicits looks like we'll ave the same old Ultron but with breats

Alkhemena had Bobbi Morse-Barton's brain patterns, also known as Mockingbird the wife of Hawkeye.

This could be interesting but I have little faith. Here's the cover to #1 from Marvel.com.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/MarchToFuzzMH/MIGHTAVN001_cov.jpg

I'd like to see Black Widow pull off some nice stuff on this team. Otherwise I'm gonna feel like it's a bunch of heavy hitters, and she's the team sidekick.

Unless of course, she's a traitor...

Well Wasp is on the team too. I wouldn't exactly call her a big gun

This is gonna be another low/mid level team.

Ares
He got class 70 strength and super/metahuman level durability, plus superhuman reflexes, speed and agility.He can fly wields weaponry like axes, swords or spears, and he's a master marksman with all of them as well as in hand to hand combat.His weapons are also forged by Vulcano so he maybe using some magic attack, maybe.

Vote:
8/10 Thank to the costume, and considering his attitude.We may saw him as a key character considering he got the vast experience and skills and is a ruthless combatant, but onestly, if the team goes against major level villains, which hasn't happened from a long while, he's not versatile as Thor to deal with some team wreckers.But considering Nefaria is the only survivor of the Avengers team wreckers, cause Graviton, Ultron and others are out of the game, he'll be just a punch and slice guy.I hope no, cause he's a good and underused char.

Wonder Man
...No Comment.That costume sucks.His ionic form seem to have been forgotten, this man is a powerhouse who gets used as a gap filler in the recent Avengers formation.He fought Thor himself in a fist fight, his durability is great, he can fly, project ionic energies but no, he now got a pathetic costume used in what, the 70s?The 80s?
No Vote

Warbird
Low/Mid level metahuman female who sincerely I don't see as an Avenger.She worked good in the past, but with her issuess with being drunk and Kang's son, and then becaming a government agent, she's no Avenger anymore.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Read Planetary or Supreme Power.

And you call that realism?

Planetary and Supreme Power just seem a bit more feasible. So does Authority. As for realistic, maybe if you take it from a physics perspective.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Planetary and Supreme Power just seem a bit more feasible. So does Authority. As for realistic, maybe if you take it from a physics perspective.

Perhaps more feasible in a "real-world-situation" kind of way, but I certainly wouldn't think to classify it as realistic.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Perhaps more feasible in a "real-world-situation" kind of way, but I certainly wouldn't think to classify it as realistic.

Well, in any area where someone lives for 100 years, or marries someone outside of reality (Jenny Sparks) then I wouldn't call it realistic either.

No Vote.<--Warbird.

Sentry
I hope Thor comes back and kill him.The worst Superman rip off ever.

Wasp
Puts the team in a major low level ranking.She can't do anything except for talking and wear sexy costumes.

Black Widow
What's she's gonna do, use bullets on super powered beings?

Iron Man
He's acting like a paranoid and leading the wrong side of this war, after we saw him battling in the city of NY how many times?And he speaks about the risk of casualties, for god's sake.Try to be coerent Tony.
I always liked IM, and with Extremis armor he's badass, but he doesn't look like a hero anymore.

I hope Cap will assemble an AVG team worth of that name.I hope Don Blake finally show up as Thor, and I hope in a roster like this:
Captain America
Thor
Hercules
Luke Cage
Invisible Woman or someone else with long range and defensive abilities.
Vision

Speaking about realistic comic origins, both Marvel and DC are realistic.Considering how big is the Universe who knows what kind of beings may exist somewhere.Radiations can kill or cause mutantion, in comics cause ordinary humans to mutant to change.Mutants are next step in human evolution.They are realistic to me.Thor is a god, and one of the few who deals with humanity while the other pantheons stepped back when they felt the man no more needed to look up in the sky when in need of help.Who can tell you there aren't gods or pantheons?
It's just a matter of believing or not to the fact that what was impossible 30 years ago now is a reality.

Originally posted by K3VIL
I hope Cap will assemble an AVG team worth of that name.I hope Don Blake finally show up as Thor, and I hope in a roster like this:
Captain America
Thor
Hercules
Luke Cage
Invisible Woman or someone else with long range and defensive abilities.
Vision



If you'd replaced Luke Cage with someone like Spidey, Quicksilver or Hawkeye, I would agree entirely

Originally posted by willRules
If you'd replaced Luke Cage with someone like Spidey, Quicksilver or Hawkeye, I would agree entirely

And Invisible Woman. She belongs with the F4.

New Avengers

Cap
Thor
Dr. Strange
Hercules
Hawkeye
Spiderman
Echo
Ronin

Mighty Avengers

Iron Man
Sentry
She Hulk
Ms. Marvel
Hank Pym
Wonder Man
Wasp

The Thing is you know Luke Cage is def. going on NA, and probably Falcon as well.

Originally posted by nimbus006
And Invisible Woman. She belongs with the F4.

New Avengers

Cap
Thor
Dr. Strange
Hercules
Hawkeye
Spiderman
Echo
Ronin

Mighty Avengers

Iron Man
Sentry
She Hulk
Ms. Marvel
Hank Pym
Wonder Man
Wasp

The Thing is you know Luke Cage is def. going on NA, and probably Falcon as well.

Id prefer a street level N.A. line up, with Strange only getting involved in extreme circumstances.

Originally posted by K3VIL
No Vote.<--Warbird.

Sentry
I hope Thor comes back and kill him.The worst Superman rip off ever.

Wasp
Puts the team in a major low level ranking.She can't do anything except for talking and wear sexy costumes.

Black Widow
What's she's gonna do, use bullets on super powered beings?

Iron Man
He's acting like a paranoid and leading the wrong side of this war, after we saw him battling in the city of NY how many times?And he speaks about the risk of casualties, for god's sake.Try to be coerent Tony.
I always liked IM, and with Extremis armor he's badass, but he doesn't look like a hero anymore.

I hope Cap will assemble an AVG team worth of that name.I hope Don Blake finally show up as Thor, and I hope in a roster like this:
Captain America
Thor
Hercules
Luke Cage
Invisible Woman or someone else with long range and defensive abilities.
Vision

Replace Hercules with like Spider-Woman and take out Thor for Wolverine and I'm there. Leave the NA for predominantly covert operations and dealing with more "grounded" tasks, have someone powerful like say...I don't know, Doctor Strange for when the team needs some muscle.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Id prefer a street level N.A. line up, with Strange only getting involved in extreme circumstances.

Read my mind

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Id prefer a street level N.A. line up, with Strange only getting involved in extreme circumstances.

Yea I wouldn't mind that either, but we already know Strange is on the team.

How about this for street level:

New Avengers

Cap
Luke Cage
Wolverine
Hawkeye
Daredevil
Ronin
Echo
Spiderman
Falcon

That would be nice.

Where the hell is Thor!!!!!!?????

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Where the hell is Thor!!!!!!?????

Wisconson?

Originally posted by nimbus006
And Invisible Woman. She belongs with the F4.

I disagree, I think it makes it more interesting with her FF history, plus it adds some of the power which is lost with street level characters