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who wins this hell of a battle

1)pre retcon beyonder
2)basic beyonder

Beyonder has easily beaten dr doom who has stolen galactus full power that time

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Beyonder has easily beaten dr doom who has stolen galactus full power that time
Co-signed.

Galactus has no chance agaist either(especially at 80%)

Pre retcon Beyonder has this in the bag

Current one would probably lose. Not without a fight, though.

I dont care about the #1
But the Real Beyonder would be smashed by any Galactus if he is not starving.

beyonder wins easily

Originally posted by thedude1948
I dont care about the #1
But the Real Beyonder would be smashed by any Galactus if he is not starving. Co-signed for both. The pre-retcon Beyonder is now nothing more than a fan-dream. He really shouldn't even be acknowledged.

The in-continuity Beyonder wouldn't be a challenge for Galactus at 80%. No challenge at all. I'm not even sure she'd make 25% Galactus (Galan after he's fed on a world) break a sweat.

Galactus would cumberstomp Beyonder any day.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Co-signed for both. The pre-retcon Beyonder is now nothing more than a fan-dream. He really shouldn't even be acknowledged.

The in-continuity Beyonder wouldn't be a challenge for Galactus at 80%. No challenge at all. agreed

Since when is a cosmic cube higher than galactus? I am confused.

Pre-Ret ok, yeah, but post. No way

I'd go beyonder both ways...

Pre Retcon beyonder.. power of millions of multiverses...
Current beyonder... just his residual energy causes a watcher universes away to go blind... and countless other effects....

galactus at 80% is nothing to classic beyonder. Current beyonder would crush galactus also...

Originally posted by rotiart
I'd go beyonder both ways...

Pre Retcon beyonder.. power of millions of multiverses...
Current beyonder... just his residual energy causes a watcher universes away to go blind... and countless other effects....

galactus at 80% is nothing to classic beyonder. Current beyonder would crush galactus also...
Not just the power of the multi-verses, but all power within them as well.

Originally posted by rotiart
I'd go beyonder both ways...

Pre Retcon beyonder.. power of millions of multiverses...
Current beyonder... just his residual energy causes a watcher universes away to go blind... and countless other effects....

galactus at 80% is nothing to classic beyonder. Current beyonder would crush galactus also...

So are you saying that Galactus is weaker than a celestial?

No. Why? Did a celestial beat the beyonder?

Originally posted by rotiart
No. Why? Did a celestial beat the beyonder?

Kubik said in a FF annual (Forgot which one probably 23 or something) that him and the Beyonder were nothing compared to a Celestial, and they would be killed if the Celestial judged against them. Luckily the Celestial let them live.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Kubik said in a FF annual (Forgot which one probably 23 or something) that him and the Beyonder were nothing compared to a Celestial, and they would be killed if the Celestial judged against them. Luckily the Celestial let them live.

That was #26 actually, and that was Kubik and Kosmos.

80% Galactus = 80% of the Universe

Kill Galactus = Abraxas and the end of the Multi-verse


Now in #27 (the next issue)

Post-retcon Beyonder is an intrinsic part of the Multiverse.

As a Cosmic Cube (post-retcon Beyonder can warp a pocket Universe)

As Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos (his full potential is Universal but his status is Multiversal)

Kill Post-retcon Beyonder = Collapse of the Multi-verse.

80% Galactus defeats Post-retcon Beyonder as Kosmos.

80% Galactus defeats Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos, but not before a great battle between the two

80% Galactus kills (Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos) and the Multi-verse collapses and kills 80% Galactus along with it.

(Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos at full potential) defeats 80% Galactus

Originally posted by Mr Master
80% Galactus defeats Post-retcon Beyonder as Kosmos.

80% Galactus defeats Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos, but not before a great battle between the two

80% Galactus kills (Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos) and the Multi-verse collapses and kills 80% Galactus along with it.

(Post-retcon Beyonder outside of Kosmos at full potential) defeats 80% Galactus
In short: Beyonder works as a pillar for the Multi-verse.

Um... fear my master... the shinobi of the dragon!

The only evidence that the multiverse will be destroyed if he dies is a vague comment by Kubik. He doesnt exactly say the multiverse would be destroyed either. He could have been lying to save her too.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
In short: Beyonder works as a pillar for the Multi-verse.

Exactly.

But what's comical is that Kosmos is Post-retcon Beyonder evolved, yet Post-retcon Beyonder is FAR more dangerous than Kosmos

It's the essense of the Beyonder that seems to have this Universe destroying power (Annihilation series as the Maker),

Thanos knew of the Maker's potential

Thanos says his only recollection of the Beyonder or Kosmos is Unlimited power...he repeats this.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/666/maker2bu1.th.jpg
This is Thanos after having possessed a Cosmic Cube that made him a Universe...after having the Infinity Gauntlet that made him "God"...after having THOU...which absorbed Living Tribunal.


This is how the Maker ended up "Dead"...
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4551/makernotdeadej3.th.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6416/makernotdead0bl8.th.jpg
Beyonder, (Maker) still imposing limitations like his PRE era, takes on Mortal Form.

"The Mind is Dead...Do NOT kill the body"...This is in order to keep the essence of the Beyonder in prisoned within the Maker.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6118/makernotdead1wg7.th.jpg
Keep her body alive.

"a Living Prison"
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5114/makernotdead3gm3.th.jpg
"The ONLY prison capable of containing the Beyonder...it's essence"

"had we killed the Maker Form? The prisoner goes free"
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9929/makernotdead2bn5.th.jpg
"We would of ENABLED the thing we'd sought to prevent (the destruction of the Universe that is)

In this Thanos series, the Maker could have imploded the Universe on a whim if it had not gone mad.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3595/maker3ho5.th.jpg


And Post-retcon Beyonder's existence has gained an importance that can wreak havoc across the Multiverse were he to die.


"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

Originally posted by thedude1948
The only evidence that the multiverse will be destroyed if he dies is a vague comment by Kubik.

Really?

I thought it was very straight forward:

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

Originally posted by thedude1948
He doesnt exactly say the multiverse would be destroyed either.

"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

Originally posted by thedude1948
He could have been lying to save her too.

Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man to not allow the Beyonder to die, which would bring forth the END of Reality.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7615/kubikexplains2jz4.th.jpg

Are these more "vague" comments?

Didn't the Beyonder just get killed in SS when Aegis and Tenebrous broke out of their prison?

Originally posted by superbatman86
Didn't the Beyonder just get killed in SS when Aegis and Tenebrous broke out of their prison?

That's what they thought, I just showed you the reality up above in my prior post.

Read the scans.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what they thought, I just showed you the reality up above in my prior post.

Read the scans. So Anni: SS #3 is either another retcon, or the Maker/Beyonder really isn't dead somehow. I'm swinging toward a retcon.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
So Anni: SS #3 is either another retcon, or the Maker/Beyonder really isn't dead somehow. I'm swinging toward a retcon.

The Maker never died.


This is how the Maker "supposedly" ended up "Dead"...as you can see, it's NOT TRUE.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4551/makernotdeadej3.th.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6416/makernotdead0bl8.th.jpg
Beyonder, (Maker) still imposing limitations like his PRE era, takes on Mortal Form.


"The Mind is Dead...Do NOT kill the body"...This is in order to keep the essence of the Beyonder in prisoned within the Maker.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6118/makernotdead1wg7.th.jpg
Keep her body alive.

"a Living Prison"
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5114/makernotdead3gm3.th.jpg
"The ONLY prison capable of containing the Beyonder...it's essence"

"had we killed the Maker Form? The prisoner goes free"
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9929/makernotdead2bn5.th.jpg
"We would of ENABLED the thing we'd sought to prevent (the destruction of the Universe that is)


It just seems dead in Annihilation #1