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Since this is pre retcon( basically an elseworlds beyonder since his re con, i'm going to use all beings from any where in comics as well)

1.Thanos with the IG
2. Emporer Joker
3. Mxy from Worlds funnest
4.Thanos With the heart of the universe
5. The anti monitor at the height of his power
6.The Molecule man after the retcon
7. Krona
8.The infinites
9.The full power of the ALE
10. The Queen of the Tenth Dimension.

he loses on the thanos hotu

He passes...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He passes...

How can he pass if Mxy in world's Funnest was shown using more power thatn the beyonder was ever shown doing?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can he pass if Mxy in world's Funnest was shown using more power thatn the beyonder was ever shown doing?
Mxyzptlk tear down the DC multi-verse with fury, he was on the edge of his power. - Living Tribunal could do that (He's above Multi-Eternity)

Beyonder with a smile on his face, was not only stronger than every-thing that was there but also every being, abd by that i mean combinded.
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Mxyzptlk tear down the DC multi-verse with fury, he was on the edge of his power. - Living Tribunal could do that (He's above Multi-Eternity)

Beyonder with a smile on his face, was not only stronger than every-thing that was there but also every being, abd by that i mean combinded.
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg
Wait I eaxplain how he would pass.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Mxyzptlk tear down the DC multi-verse with fury, he was on the edge of his power. - Living Tribunal could do that (He's above Multi-Eternity)

Beyonder with a smile on his face, was not only stronger than every-thing that was there but also every being, abd by that i mean combinded.
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg

He was't on the edge of his power. He did it all effortlessly. and Laughed about it. and then put it all back. In that tale, he even Beat the spectre. Who at his height is as powerful as the LT. Which means mxy was over the LT.

Beyonder, like any omnipotent creature, could rearrange himself so that he is automatically restored after a possible defeat.

Or he could just replicate himself. Or he could do anything else.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since this is pre retcon( basically an elseworlds beyonder since his re con, i'm going to use all beings from any where in comics as well)

1.Thanos with the IG
2. Emporer Joker
3. Mxy from Worlds funnest
4.Thanos With the heart of the universe
5. The anti monitor at the height of his power
6.The Molecule man after the retcon
7. Krona
8.The infinites
9.The full power of the ALE
10. The Queen of the Tenth Dimension.
Thanos with the Infinity Gauantlet was bellow the Living Tribunal.

Emporer Joker manipulated a universe, techanly he would be weaker than Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, who could manipulate many.

Mxyzptlk was here as well not retconned. - In Marvel this power (To destroy the Multi-verse) eqaul the Nullifier.

Thanos with the Heart is bound with everything in the Multi-verse (I'm using the term Multi-verse here because when classic Beyonder was the Multi-verse was supose to be all that was Marvel)
Thanos one with everything in the Multi-verse, he is everything in the Multi-verse equals one time the Multi-verse
Beyonder was millions of times the Multi-verse under limitations.

The Anti-Monitor would be no actual match for this incarnation of Beyonder, as said in the statements above.

Korona defeated Galactus easiley and destroyed a couple dimentions... But have never shown higher features suporting him. Beyonder would take this pretty easiley.

The infinite's are a part of DCU's structure, Beyonder could manipulate it and change the structre, like he did to Marvel when he removed Death.

Anti-Life Equalation is not above the Infinity Gauntlet, Beyonder takes this as well.

The Queen of the 10th dimention's power is unknown, but we do know for sure that it's bellow Lucifer's and therefore bellow God's (Thanos with the heart)

That's how In see it.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos with the Infinity Gauantlet was bellow the Living Tribunal.

Emporer Joker manipulated a universe, techanly he would be weaker than Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, who could manipulate many.

Mxyzptlk was here as well not retconned. - In Marvel this power (To destroy the Multi-verse) eqaul the Nullifier.

Thanos with the Heart is bound with everything in the Multi-verse (I'm using the term Multi-verse here because when classic Beyonder was the Multi-verse was supose to be all that was Marvel)
Thanos one with everything in the Multi-verse, he is everything in the Multi-verse equals one time the Multi-verse
Beyonder was millions of times the Multi-verse under limitations.

The Anti-Monitor would be no actual match for this incarnation of Beyonder, as said in the statements above.

Korona defeated Galactus easiley and destroyed a couple dimentions... But have never shown higher features suporting him. Beyonder would take this pretty easiley.

The infinite's are a part of DCU's structure, Beyonder could manipulate it and change the structre, like he did to Marvel when he removed Death.

Anti-Life Equalation is not above the Infinity Gauntlet, Beyonder takes this as well.

The Queen of the 10th dimention's power is unknown, but we do know for sure that it's bellow Lucifer's and therefore bellow God's (Thanos with the heart)

That's how In see it.

I do not agree with this at all. Mxy in World's funnest was shown to have no limit. As he erased every thing and then set it back. How can just make a blanket statement as to the beyonder's power compared to that.Darkside said that a fraction of the ALE"S power was enough to control the entire Universe. MOre than enough. SO The full force of the ALE by no means is something the beyonder could trump so easily. The Queen of the tenth's eat entire dimensions. A dimension is bigger than a universe. it's an infinite multiverse. Crisis of the infinite earts happened to the entire 3rd dimension of DC. As shown that the new gods and the imps where not affected by the crisis. which means that the queen of the fifth eats multiverses for breakfast. I dont' see this guantlet as so clear cute and dry as ur trying to make it. And it takes vastly more power to create than to destroy. WIth that being said, not only could mxy destroy the Entire DCU multiverse, he recreated it, as if nothing happened. No one even remembered that it happened. That power is simply beyond the ultimate nullifier. Which can only destroy. NOt create. Galactus doesn't even have the power to remake the multi verse. And please show me on panel, thanos manipulating more than one universe. I want to see this. Cuz from where I'm remembering, the IG is not multiversal in power. If it were, Multi Eternity would have had something to say about it. It only makes one the God of the universe it's from. This is why Eternity didnt' like it. It made Thanos take his place. Not Multi eternity's place.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
only makes one the God of the universe it's from. This is why Eternity didnt' like it. It made Thanos take his place. Not Multi eternity's place.
If that would be the case... Thanos would look like a Eternity (a spawn from the Multi-Eternity) Not like he did himself.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
If that would be the case... Thanos would look like a Eternity (a spawn from the Multi-Eternity) Not like he did himself.

Not even. The LT even said that the only reason eternity wanted the gems was for the fact that the wearer takes the place of eternity as the universe. Please don't act like I dont know what I'm talking about. Looks have nothing to do with Eternity's place in the universe. he could like like owne reece and still be the universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not even. The LT even said that the only reason eternity wanted the gems was for the fact that the wearer takes the place of eternity as the universe. Please don't act like I dont know what I'm talking about. Looks have nothing to do with Eternity's place in the universe. he could like like owne reece and still be the universe.
So explain how Magus could affect universes outside the 616 and how the UN was infernor to the IG.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So explain how Magus could affect universes outside the 616 and how the UN was infernor to the IG.

The UN only has the power to destroy. The IG could remake, and shape and mold. To be technical, The power of the Un was never released. We dont' know if the Magus could have deflected the blast or contained it or not. ALl we know is that the device was in a reality that he was controlling and being held by a very small being. The magus simply stopped the device from working and willed the user away.

The UN can remake as well, Reed did it.
Quasar is not a smal being, he is well aware of the Multi-verse.

Make this thread: Thanos w/ IG vs Darkseid w/ ALE
And make it a poll, than you will get the true results.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The UN can remake as well, Reed did it.
Quasar is not a smal being, he is well aware of the Multi-verse.

Make this thread: Thanos w/ IG vs Darkseid w/ ALE
And make it a poll, than you will get the true results.

NO I won't. I'll get a bunch of marvelites who will vote for who they know and who can't stand for DC to win any matches. PERIOD!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO I won't. I'll get a bunch of marvelites who will vote for who they know and who can't stand for DC to win any matches. PERIOD!!
I belive most of the members know what they talk about, for example:
Mr. Master know everyhing about the Anti-Life Equallation and everything about the Infinity Gauntlet, of course his statements will affect the votes.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I belive most of the members know what they talk about, for example:
Mr. Master know everyhing about the Anti-Life Equallation and everything about the Infinity Gauntlet, of course his statements will affect the votes.

A fraction of the Ale, can do every thing the IG did.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A fraction of the Ale, can do every thing the IG did.
Whatever makes you sleep at night...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Whatever makes you sleep at night...

it's very simple, The emporer joker used mxy's power to remake the universe. Darksied said that the joker had found the ale. Later on darksied realizes that the ale is infinitely more powerful than he had previously thought. His first statement was that the ale was like mxy's power. which remade the entire universe. Youknow how you like to do those equations and such. it's simply. Emporer joker = what darskied that was the ALE. The true ALE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(infinitey)to Mxy's power. Mxy's power can unmake the multiverse. My pillow is never very comfortable.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it's very simple, The emporer joker used mxy's power to remake the universe. Darksied said that the joker had found the ale. Later on darksied realizes that the ale is infinitely more powerful than he had previously thought. His first statement was that the ale was like mxy's power. which remade the entire universe. Youknow how you like to do those equations and such. it's simply. Emporer joker = what darskied that was the ALE. The true ALE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(infinitey)to Mxy's power. Mxy's power can unmake the multiverse. My pillow is never very comfortable.
Worlds funnest is an Elseworlds tale and as such is not considered part of the main DC canon/continuity.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Worlds funnest is an Elseworlds tale and as such is not considered part of the main DC canon/continuity.

Pre retcon beyonder is not considered part of the main marvel continuity. and yet you use it and back him up. According to the Comic called the KINGDOM. EVERY SINGLE DC comic in the else worlds is cannon. And since mxy destroyed ALL of the Multiverses in that comic, it counts for all of the comics since as per KINGDOM, they all exist and are reality. AND Since the imps exist out side of reality, there is no such thing as else worlds for them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Pre retcon beyonder is not considered part of the main marvel continuity. and yet you use it and back him up. According to the Comic called the KINGDOM. EVERY SINGLE DC comic in the else worlds is cannon. And since mxy destroyed ALL of the Multiverses in that comic, it counts for all of the comics since as per KINGDOM, they all exist and are reality. AND Since the imps exist out side of reality, there is no such thing as else worlds for them.
I didn't write that post myself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Pre retcon beyonder is not considered part of the main marvel continuity. and yet you use it and back him up.

Your such a hater dude.

We refer to him as PRE-RETCON Beyonder to differentiate him from POST-RB.

They are TWO seperate characters in terms of level of power.

We do NOT however use STUPID, WHAT if issues to debate, and that's what Elseworlds is considered by DC's own representatives.


Pre-retcon Beyonder was a real character, and everything that happened up UNTIL the RETCON, was CANON...


By the way, Beyonder is still part of Marvel continuity.

Post-Retcon Beyonder (as the Maker) potentialy can implode the Universe on a whim:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3595/maker3ho5.th.jpg

And if Post-Retcon Beyonder dies, the MULTI-VERSE will collapse:

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And since mxy destroyed ALL of the Multiverses in that comic, it counts for all of the comics since as per KINGDOM,

It was ONE Multi-verse...but nice try.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
AND Since the imps exist out side of reality, there is no such thing as else worlds for them.

You should of warned us you work for DC, you got inside info.

The public has been lead to believe otherwise.


ps. I'm not going to indulge your vain attempts at knocking Beyonder, your defiance is laughable.

For the record:

Beyonder blinks everyone away and either stalemates THOTU, or takes that down too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your such a hater dude.

We refer to him as PRE-RETCON Beyonder to differentiate him from POST-RB.

They are TWO seperate characters in terms of level of power.

We do NOT however use STUPID, WHAT if issues to debate, and that's what Elseworlds is considered by DC's own representatives.


Pre-retcon Beyonder was a real character, and everything that happened up UNTIL the RETCON, was CANON...


By the way, Beyonder is still part of Marvel continuity.

Post-Retcon Beyonder (as the Maker) potentialy can implode the Universe on a whim:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3595/maker3ho5.th.jpg

And if Post-Retcon Beyonder dies, the MULTI-VERSE will collapse:

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"




It was ONE Multi-verse...but nice try.




You should of warned us you work for DC, you got inside info.

The public has been lead to believe otherwise.


ps. I'm not going to indulge your vain attempts at knocking Beyonder, your defiance is laughable.

For the record:

Beyonder blinks everyone away and either stalemates THOTU, or takes that down too.

ur fan boyism showns thru. it's ok to use pre retcon beyonder butnot World's funnest mxy? Something stinks around here. And then the only thing you think can stalemate the beyonder is yet another Marvel Creation. Yeah right i'm a fanboy. But you are holding marvel's jock strap!!

And they pick on me for calling people fanboys...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ur fan boyism showns thru. it's ok to use pre retcon beyonder butnot World's funnest mxy? Something stinks around here. And then the only thing you think can stalemate the beyonder is yet another Marvel Creation. Yeah right i'm a fanboy. But you are holding marvel's jock strap!! I just had to bump this post.

GBE should be included in this gauntlet.

I'd have better reason to believe you if you could post this comic from "The Kingdom" for me.

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_%28comics%29

The Kingdom is a two-issue comic book limited series and crossover event published by DC Comics in 1999, written by Mark Waid and drawn by Ariel Olivetti/Mike Zeck. This is both a sequel and, in some ways, prequel to Kingdom Come, also by Mark Waid. Both books form an Elseworlds saga, and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines. The storyline extended into one-shot books entitled Gog, The Kingdom: Kid Flash, The Kingdom: Nightstar, The Kingdom: Offspring, The Kingdom: Planet Krypton, and The Kingdom: Son of the Bat. The entire storyline was later collected into a trade paperback.

And from wikipedia also: Kingdom Come:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Kingdom_Come_%28comic%29#Effects_on_mainstream_con
tinuity

Due to the popularity of the series it was suggested that DC attempt to steer the DCU towards the world depicted in Kingdom Come. This was dismissed, but Alex Ross began work on a prequel titled Kingdom (see below) that would address how certain characters came to be (including the new Wildcat) and tie mainstream continuity to that shown in Kingdom Come. Due to a falling out with co-creator Mark Waid, Ross's series was never produced and Waid produced the prequel/sequel The Kingdom without any input from Ross.

Since the publication of Kingdom Come, some of its elements have found their way into the mainstream continuity:


Kingdom and Kingdom Come are cannon?

Originally posted by rotiart
I'd have better reason to believe you if you could post this comic from "The Kingdom" for me.

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_%28comics%29

The Kingdom is a two-issue comic book limited series and crossover event published by DC Comics in 1999, written by Mark Waid and drawn by Ariel Olivetti/Mike Zeck. This is both a sequel and, in some ways, prequel to Kingdom Come, also by Mark Waid. Both books form an Elseworlds saga, and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines. The storyline extended into one-shot books entitled Gog, The Kingdom: Kid Flash, The Kingdom: Nightstar, The Kingdom: Offspring, The Kingdom: Planet Krypton, and The Kingdom: Son of the Bat. The entire storyline was later collected into a trade paperback.

And from wikipedia also: Kingdom Come:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Kingdom_Come_%28comic%29#Effects_on_mainstream_con
tinuity

Due to the popularity of the series it was suggested that DC attempt to steer the DCU towards the world depicted in Kingdom Come. This was dismissed, but Alex Ross began work on a prequel titled Kingdom (see below) that would address how certain characters came to be (including the new Wildcat) and tie mainstream continuity to that shown in Kingdom Come. Due to a falling out with co-creator Mark Waid, Ross's series was never produced and Waid produced the prequel/sequel The Kingdom without any input from Ross.

Since the publication of Kingdom Come, some of its elements have found their way into the mainstream continuity:


Kingdom and Kingdom Come are cannon?

Finally, the light has arrived.

We'll see.

Originally posted by rotiart
We'll see.

Dude, that guy has been driving me crazy with his Mxy claim.

You have just complete eradicated his whole argument.

Its wiki. He might say wiki isn't cannon or something.

I've been saying for the longest time... Elseworlds is not cannon! And in any case... how do I know Mxy didn't cause an illusion of destroying the multiverse... cause the spectre wanted him to believe he could do it... or something ala LT to beyonder.

In any case, he hasn't provided any scans of his proof. If he did, I'd be less inclined to argue.

This isn't even like GS vs. you. At least GS fought like a champ for what he believed in.

Thanos with the HOTU isnt canon. What is the difference if he wants to use a non-canon Mr Mxy.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Thanos with the HOTU isnt canon. What is the difference if he wants to use a non-canon Mr Mxy. Yes it was!
It happened in the 616 universe. Where did you get this from anyway?

Originally posted by thedude1948
Thanos with the HOTU isnt canon. What is the difference if he wants to use a non-canon Mr Mxy.

Because thats what he's been arguing if you go thread hopping.
That Mxy destroying the multiverse was cannon. He can use Xmas special Squirrel Girl for all I care... Or what If Silver Surfer Infinity Gauntlet.. what I was stating is....

I don't know how to quote multiple texts...
so this is from neverbeenwithagirl if you look a few posts above:

Pre retcon beyonder is not considered part of the main marvel continuity. and yet you use it and back him up. According to the Comic called the KINGDOM. EVERY SINGLE DC comic in the else worlds is cannon. And since mxy destroyed ALL of the Multiverses in that comic, it counts for all of the comics since as per KINGDOM, they all exist and are reality. AND Since the imps exist out side of reality, there is no such thing as else worlds for them.

So what I was saying is "Kingdom" says Elseworlds is cannon....

But "Kingdom" itself is stated as a noncannon crossover...


This is more an arguement over cannon and noncannon now to me, than who's more powerful.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes it was!
It happened in the 616 universe. Where did you get this from anyway?

X-men: The End - is a what if.
Punisher: The End - is a what if.
Hulk: The End - is a what if.

why would that be canon when none of the other The End's arent?

Originally posted by thedude1948
X-men: The End - is a what if.
Punisher: The End - is a what if.
Hulk: The End - is a what if.

why would that be canon when none of the other The End's arent? Marvel: The End, was, so your arguement is invalid.

Originally posted by bigbran
Marvel: The End, was, so your arguement is invalid.

"Someone else answered this later, but just so you get it from me as well: MARVEL UNIVERSE: THE END is an out of continuity story."

You know who said this? Andy Schmidt the Editor of Marvel Annihilation.

Originally posted by rotiart
He can use Xmas special Squirrel Girl for all I care.

Hey, but that is canon!

Actually Marvel: the end was canon.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Actually Marvel: the end was canon.

You couldnt be more wrong. And if you think I am wrong show me some proof that it is canon.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Actually Marvel: the end was canon.
Wait, is it really? I always thought it wasn't. I'm not disagreeing mind you, I'm just seeking conformation. Does that mean no more hero resurrections, like was stated in the last book?

Originally posted by thedude1948
You couldnt be more wrong. And if you think I am wrong show me some proof that it is canon.
Thanos got his power in the 616-universe.
The other end's were in alternate timelimes, therefore not canon.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos got his power in the 616-universe.
The other end's were in alternate timelimes, therefore not canon.

Even though a Marvel Editor said that it did not happen in the 616 Universe? What evidence do you have to convince me to take your word over his?

The Kingdom introduced a new element to the DC Universe: Hypertime. This appears to be a variation on the multiple earth/universe concept from prior DC canon, which was eliminated in 1985's 12-issue limited series Crisis on Infinite Earths (the seeds are also sown for Infinite Crisis, as there is a brief scene where Kal-L, the original Superman, reflects on how he has come to regard his new reality as a prison, but is now aware of an exit that he may use at some future date).

Now pay attention kiddies, Waid says " it's all true". Which means even else worlds funnest is true. And since mxy erased the multiverse, it's true. I win. Any questions.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now pay attention kiddies, Waid says " it's all true". Which means even else worlds funnest is true. And since mxy erased the multiverse, it's true. I win. Any questions.

Dude, I just came back, and your still here alone debating with your computer.

You did your best, but it was all in vain.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, I just came back, and your still here alone debating with your computer.

You did your best, but it was all in vain.

But that really is all you can say. Becuz you tried to discount what I said. and not that I just let you have it, all you have to say is it was all in vain. U R the worst debater ever. And ur argument now debunked does not stand up to true evidence. I will discredit every single thing you have said against my arguments until every one sees you for the fraud you are. who pretends to really be doing something but in the end, I just shot a big ass hole thru your entire attempt at making my argument not stand. YOU LOSE.

But wait, there's more!

Abandonment
Hypertime has been infrequently utilized in DC titles subsequent to its introduction in The Kingdom, perhaps as a result of its chief architects and proponents, writers Mark Waid and Grant Morrison, working elsewhere in the comics industry (notably for Marvel Comics) . While the concept was used in a multi-part story involving the Modern Age Superboy, many writers (such as "Teen Titans" writer Jay Faeber) found that their attempts to use Hypertime were either outright rejected or their stories severely altered to allow no attempt to further expand upon the concept.

In fact, promotional talks at the 2005 San Diego Comic-Con (July 2005), DC Executive Editor Dan Didio effectively disavowed the concept of hypertime, stating it would no longer be used in future DCU titles. Although DC Comics has announced they will no longer use it as a concept, there are still groups who use it as "doctrine."

The Infinite Crisis series appears to solve the continuity problem in a different way, according to DiDio, who in a Newsarama interview said "The great part about Crisis is that all mistakes and retcons are time anomalies."

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.
DiDio's solution, as seen in the pages of Infinite Crisis, postulates reality-changing "continuity waves", generated by Superboy-Prime punching the walls of his extradimensional prison.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But that really is all you can say. Becuz you tried to discount what I said. and not that I just let you have it, all you have to say is it was all in vain. U R the worst debater ever. And ur argument now debunked does not stand up to true evidence. I will discredit every single thing you have said against my arguments until every one sees you for the fraud you are. who pretends to really be doing something but in the end, I just shot a big ass hole thru your entire attempt at making my argument not stand. YOU LOSE.


nopity

Originally posted by rotiart
But wait, there's more!

Abandonment
Hypertime has been infrequently utilized in DC titles subsequent to its introduction in The Kingdom, perhaps as a result of its chief architects and proponents, writers Mark Waid and Grant Morrison, working elsewhere in the comics industry (notably for Marvel Comics) . While the concept was used in a multi-part story involving the Modern Age Superboy, many writers (such as "Teen Titans" writer Jay Faeber) found that their attempts to use Hypertime were either outright rejected or their stories severely altered to allow no attempt to further expand upon the concept.

In fact, promotional talks at the 2005 San Diego Comic-Con (July 2005), DC Executive Editor Dan Didio effectively disavowed the concept of hypertime, stating it would no longer be used in future DCU titles. Although DC Comics has announced they will no longer use it as a concept, there are still groups who use it as "doctrine."

The Infinite Crisis series appears to solve the continuity problem in a different way, according to DiDio, who in a Newsarama interview said "The great part about Crisis is that all mistakes and retcons are time anomalies."

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.
DiDio's solution, as seen in the pages of Infinite Crisis, postulates reality-changing "continuity waves", generated by Superboy-Prime punching the walls of his extradimensional prison.
Actually your wrong. He never said it wasn't so. He said it wouldn't be used from this point on. He didn't reconn it. Get lost. you lose.

Originally posted by rotiart
But wait, there's more!

In fact, promotional talks at the 2005 San Diego Comic-Con (July 2005), DC Executive Editor Dan Didio effectively DISAVOWED the CONCEPT of HYPERTYME, stating it would no longer be used in future DCU titles.

You see children what happens when you go on a rant without measuring your enemy,

Like the flames in a skull a light falls upon you, for all to see you...


rot =

Originally posted by Mr Master
You see children what happens when you go on a rant without measuring your enemy,

Like the flames in a skull a light falls upon you, for all to see you...


rot =
Show me where he said Hypertime wasn't true and that DC was retconning it. Hyper time was even used in a Superboy story, AFTER this statement. So um yeah, You still lose. HYpertime was never retconned.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually your wrong. He never said it wasn't so. He said it wouldn't be used from this point on. He didn't reconn it. Get lost. you lose.

How did he lose?

Your whole argument was based on Hypertime, or have you forgotten he proved Kingdom was NOT CANON!

Originally posted by Mr Master
How did he lose?

Your whole argument was based on Hypertime, or have you forgotten he proved Kingdom was NOT CANON!

Actually he didnt. The editor at the time, NEVER retconned the kingdom. AFter the statment was made, there was even a superboy story where hypertime was used.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Show me where he said Hypertime wasn't true and that DC was retconning it. Hyper time was even used in a Superboy story, AFTER this statement. So um yeah, You still lose. HYpertime was never retconned.

There you go my child...

Although DC Comics has announced they will no longer use it as a concept, there are still groups who use it as "doctrine."

They just use it for sentimental purposes, like...well...What if's.

Originally posted by Mr Master
There you go my child...

Although DC Comics has announced they will no longer use it as a concept, there are still groups who use it as "doctrine."

They just use it for sentimental purposes, like...well...What if's.

No that is not what was said. DC did not say it would no longer use this concept. get ur wording right. dont' twist it to fit. they said it would no longer be used from this point on. They didn't say anything about retconning it, or taking it back. they didnt' retconn it. which means it still holds true.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually he didnt. The editor at the time, NEVER retconned the kingdom. AFter the statment was made, there was even a superboy story where hypertime was used.

You forgot so soon my child...your rashness is your undoing.

The Kingdom is a two-issue comic book limited series and crossover event published by DC Comics in 1999, written by Mark Waid and drawn by Ariel Olivetti/Mike Zeck.

This is both a sequel and, in some ways, prequel to Kingdom Come, also by Mark Waid.

Both books form an Elseworlds saga,

and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines

since dc decided to not use hypertime as you say, then why was the flash story Racing thru hypertime printed? The Superboy story Hyper Tension was also printed as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No that is not what was said. DC did not say it would no longer use this concept. get ur wording right. dont' twist it to fit. they said it would no longer be used from this point on. They didn't say anything about retconning it, or taking it back. they didnt' retconn it. which means it still holds true.

What holds true?

That Hypertime did exist once? And... my child? How does this make Elseworlds canon,

Both books form an Elseworlds saga,

and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines

Elseworlds ALWAYS was NOT CANON, It was IN Elseworlds that Mxy performed the Feat you have come to defend so much.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What holds true?

That Hypertime did exist once? And... my child? How does this make Elseworlds canon,

Both books form an Elseworlds saga,

and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines

Elseworlds ALWAYS was NOT CANON, It was IN Elseworlds that Mxy performed the Feat you have come to defend so much.


Oh so your saying the kingdome once made the story true. But since DC no longer prints any Kingdom stories, it is no longer true, Even tho DC won't retconn the story, they just choose not to use it anymore. HMM ok. Well Then pre retconn beyonder never had any power either. since he was tricked. mxy still beats the beyonder. Mxy still was able to leave the DCu and enter reality. and this my freind was cannon. it was part of a series of one shots that DCU published about it's villians. and all of those stories where true and continued into continuity. I STILL WIN!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
since dc decided to not use hypertime as you say, then why was the flash story Racing thru hypertime printed? The Superboy story Hyper Tension was also printed as well.

We just showed you my boy but you would not relent.

They make stories NON-CANON for sentimental reason or as they put:

Although DC Comics has announced they will no longer use it as a concept, there are still groups who use it as "doctrine".

DO you know what "doctrine" means chid?


You jump up too soon my boy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
We just showed you my boy but you would not relent.

They make stories NON-CANON for sentimental reason or as they put:

Although DC Comics has announced they will no longer use it as a concept, there are still groups who use it as "doctrine".

DO you know what "doctrine" means chid?


You jump up too soon my boy.


And yet they never retconned it. They never said it didnt' happen or wasn't true. DC never ever does this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Oh so your saying the kingdome once made the story true.But since DC no longer prints any Kingdom stories, it is no longer true, Even tho DC won't retconn the story, they just choose not to use it anymore. HMM ok. Well Then pre retconn beyonder never had any power either. since he was tricked. mxy still beats the beyonder. Mxy still was able to leave the DCu and enter reality. and this my freind was cannon. it was part of a series of one shots that DCU published about it's villians. and all of those stories where true and continued into continuity. I STILL WIN!!!

Your obtuseness leaves little choice.


Both books form an Elseworlds saga,

and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines

Elseworlds ALWAYS was NOT CANON, It was IN Elseworlds that Mxy performed the Feat you have come to defend so much.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your obtuseness leaves little choice.


Both books form an Elseworlds saga,

and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines

Elseworlds ALWAYS was NOT CANON, It was IN Elseworlds that Mxy performed the Feat you have come to defend so much.

Ur so missing the point. When the kingdom was published, it made every single tale cannon. It made it all true. Every else world, every alternate earth. earth one, earth prime. all of it. IT WAS all true. What part of that are you missing. SO if DC suddenly decides not to use it any more, with out every saying it wasn't true, then where does that leave us. But basically i'm saying, if DC retconned the kingdom, which they didn't officially do, then what once was true is not any more. Which means the same rules apply to the beyonder reton. and that he never EVER had the power you all like to argu in his defense. mxy at least still has his power. the beyonder was tricked. his discription doesn't even count.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur so missing the point. When the kingdom was published, it made every single tale cannon. It made it all true. Every else world, every alternate earth. earth one, earth prime. all of it. IT WAS all true. What part of that are you missing. SO if DC suddenly decides not to use it any more, with out every saying it wasn't true, then where does that leave us. But basically i'm saying, if DC retconned the kingdom, which they didn't officially do, then what once was true is not any more. Which means the same rules apply to the beyonder reton. and that he never EVER had the power you all like to argu in his defense. mxy at least still has his power. the beyonder was tricked. his discription doesn't even count.

The Kingdom is a two-issue comic book limited series and crossover event published by DC Comics in 1999, written by Mark Waid and drawn by Ariel Olivetti/Mike Zeck.

This is both a sequel and, in some ways, prequel to Kingdom Come, also by Mark Waid.

Both books form an Elseworlds saga,

and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines

Elseworlds ALWAYS was NOT CANON, It was IN Elseworlds that Mxy performed the Feat you have come to defend so much.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur so missing the point. When the kingdom was published, it made every single tale cannon. It made it all true. Every else world, every alternate earth. earth one, earth prime. all of it. IT WAS all true. What part of that are you missing. SO if DC suddenly decides not to use it any more, with out every saying it wasn't true, then where does that leave us. But basically i'm saying, if DC retconned the kingdom, which they didn't officially do, then what once was true is not any more. Which means the same rules apply to the beyonder reton. and that he never EVER had the power you all like to argu in his defense. mxy at least still has his power. the beyonder was tricked. his discription doesn't even count.

Scans from "Kingdom" comic saying that Mxy destroyed the multiverse please?

Originally posted by rotiart
Scans from "Kingdom" comic saying that Mxy destroyed the multiverse please?


Waid the writer says, the kingdom, made every single else world's tale, every single alternate reality, all true. The scans have been posted in another thread where mxy erased all of the uinverses. in the kingdom book, it showed all of the infinite earths, pieces of else world's tales. all of it. With that being said, the tale of mxy destroying the entire multiverse is also true.

Originally posted by rotiart
Scans from "Kingdom" comic saying that Mxy destroyed the multiverse please?

and yet you have never offered one single scan showing the beyonder doing any of the things we asked you to show. ur hippocrisy is astounding.

I never had to. Mr. master tends to flash those around for everyone.

If you'd been around lately, you'd have seen the feats, just look for any of the recent 100+ threads lately. :P

Originally posted by rotiart
I never had to. Mr. master tends to flash those around for everyone.

If you'd been around lately, you'd have seen the feats, just look for any of the recent 100+ threads lately. :P

none of those scans every showed me what I was looking for.

Originally posted by rotiart
I never had to. Mr. master tends to flash those around for everyone.

If you'd been around lately, you'd have seen the feats, just look for any of the recent 100+ threads lately. :P Its called, I'de rather ignore evidence.

Originally posted by bigbran
Its called, I'de rather ignore evidence.

If I aske you to you to show me evidence that someone stole something from you, and you show me evidence of someone hitting oyu in the eye, you have indeed shown me evidence. but not what i requested. nuiff said.

Actually to clear a few things up, the kingdom line of comics is cannon, they were used and referenced to in two cannon and main continuity DC comics, Super boy, and Flash.

P.S. If you want exact volumes and numbers of the comics ask nvr

Originally posted by Jesse7
Actually to clear a few things up, the kingdom line of comics is cannon, they were used and referenced to in two cannon and main continuity DC comics, Super boy, and Flash.

P.S. If you want exact volumes and numbers of the comics ask nvr
Superboy 60-35 and flash 158 and 159

But Hypertime isn't cannon anymore. So Elseworlds aren't cannon either.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superboy 60-35 and flash 158 and 159

batman also made references to the kingdom in Planet Kryton. So what was that about the kingdom being an else world's tale?

Originally posted by rotiart
But Hypertime isn't cannon anymore. So Elseworlds aren't cannon either.

But they were. by your own argument for the pre retcon beyonder, he was at one point who he was. by this same argument, I'm saying that mxy was at one point, shown on panel as being more powerful than pre retcon. this, cannot be denied.