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Psylocke vs Wolverine?

well first of all, there has been many different Psylockes so you must specify

Psylocke wins 100000/10.

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
well first of all, there has been many different Psylockes so you must specify

Honestly? Any of them win.

Except the one with the silly pink ribbon costume.....

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly? Any of them win.
I know

Only Psylocke that could take Wolverine is the Current version, as long as she still has those rediculously high telekinetic abilities, and Logan is fighting in an open area. Any other version of Bets would be killed.

Except for telepath Psylocke. Oh wait hmm that pretty much makes all versions of Psylocke.

they fought a bunch of times, logan is a better fight until he gets his head fried by her psi-blade.

I'd also like to point out that her abilities didn't help her AT ALL while fighting sabretooth... but ANY version can beat wolverine?

Originally posted by jinzin
I'd also like to point out that her abilities didn't help her AT ALL while fighting sabretooth... but ANY version can beat wolverine? I'd like to point out that Wolverine has been controlled by various telepaths and is currently spending all his time running away from "the moose".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'd like to point out that Wolverine has been controlled by various telepaths and is currently spending all his time running away from "the moose". LOL.. again... I was arguing against the "ANY version" comment.. her telepathic powers in the past were limited at best unless focused into a corporial energy or induced with cerebro.

Originally posted by jinzin
LOL.. again... I was argguing against ANY version.. her telepathic powers in the past were limited at best unless focused into a corporial energy. In her earliest appearances she didn't even really have telepathy iirc i.e. Captain Britain et al. But both telepath Psylocke at her best and most recent and telekinetic Psylocke beat Wolverine, to say otherwise is folly.

Psylocke's telepathy was generally thought to be around Emma's level, probably a notch lower, but enough nonetheless.

The psychic blades became her schtick after the four minds in two bodies thing with Kwannon; that didn't mean she couldn't use ordinary telepathy.

so then why didn't she when she was getting worked over by sabretooth? or hodge? or the acolites? or the kierrok demons? or magneto? or etc etc etc


again.. I agree with riceroost on this one.. I'm not saying that wolverine can be a telikenetic, I'm not saying he can beat a telepath on emma's level.... all i'm saying is that saying all versions of betsy taking it to logan is "folly" since not all versions have what it takes to taking wolverine out.

Originally posted by jinzin
so then why didn't she when she was getting worked over by sabretooth? or hodge? or the acolites? or the kierrok demons? or magneto? or etc etc etc


again.. I agree with riceroost on this one.. I'm not saying that wolverine can be a telikenetic, I'm not saying he can beat a telepath on emma's level.... all i'm saying is that saying all versions of betsy taking it to logan is "folly" since not all versions have what it takes to taking wolverine out. Captain Britain Psylocke had some sort of precognition. So she'd die. Telepath Psylocke who pulled the team of X-Men and X-Factor into Jean Grey's mind and fought off Mister Sinister wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
so then why didn't she when she was getting worked over by sabretooth? or hodge? or the acolites? or the kierrok demons? or magneto? or etc etc etc


again.. I agree with riceroost on this one.. I'm not saying that wolverine can be a telikenetic, I'm not saying he can beat a telepath on emma's level.... all i'm saying is that saying all versions of betsy taking it to logan is "folly" since not all versions have what it takes to taking wolverine out. Does Logan win any against Betsy on this forum?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Does Logan win any against Betsy on this forum? hell yes.. after seeing the trouble that woman's had with villains who aren't anything on wolverine's level in the h2h department or on par with wolvie.. or wolvie himself.. wolverine has to and will take wins...

you can't deny she's got a pretty terrible track record.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Captain Britain Psylocke had some sort of precognition. So she'd die. Telepath Psylocke who pulled the team of X-Men and X-Factor into Jean Grey's mind and fought off Mister Sinister wins. fair enough..

so then again.. not all versions win.

Originally posted by jinzin
fair enough..

so then again.. not all versions win. So you agree that telepath Psylocke even from her early appearances wins? Okay then.

Jin is a reasonable dude. I've seen him vote against Logan before.

Originally posted by jinzin
hell yes.. after seeing the trouble that woman's had with villains who aren't anything on wolverine's level in the h2h department or on par with wolvie.. or wolvie himself.. wolverine has to and will take wins...

you can't deny she's got a pretty terrible track record. Well considering her powers do you think she has what it takes to keep Logan down with the best of her abilities as according to the forum rules? She has been shown to be pretty powerful.

Originally posted by badabing
Jin is a reasonable dude. I've seen him vote against Logan before. jinzin knows I luvs him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Except for telepath Psylocke. Oh wait hmm that pretty much makes all versions of Psylocke. Nope, only Super TK Bets could stand a chance. A ll other versions of Betsy would be meat.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'd also like to point out that her abilities didn't help her AT ALL while fighting sabretooth... but ANY version can beat wolverine? Excellent point. Sabretooth has put Betsy on death's door. If not for Wolverine getting the Crimson Dawn mess Betsy would be wormfood. I dont see how she could do better against Wolverine.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'd like to point out that Wolverine has been controlled by various telepaths and is currently spending all his time running away from "the moose". Bwahahahahahaha!!! please do not attempt to compare Betsy's telepathy to that of Caassandra Nova. That is just rediculous. She is supposed to be Xavier level.

And guess what? Wolverine has blocked Cassandra Nova's telepathy by falling back on his animal instincts, as written by Grant Morrison. Cassandra turning him into a 6 year old could be called a mistake by Wheedon as he's already proved he can block her TP. Wolverine has a high resistance to telepathy. When Betsy was first turned into Ninja Psylocke she tried to use her TP to anticipate Wolverine's fighting style, but she FAILED. Wolverine says telepathy can't help you anticipate the moves of someone to whom thought and action are one and the same. Wolverine had her on the ropes.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In her earliest appearances she didn't even really have telepathy iirc i.e. Captain Britain et al. But both telepath Psylocke at her best and most recent and telekinetic Psylocke beat Wolverine, to say otherwise is folly. Wolverine had Pslocke dead to rights when she was Lady Mandarin and later in X-Men Annual # 1 he had her at his mercy again during a Danger Room session, pinning the psi-knife to the floor.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Psylocke's telepathy was generally thought to be around Emma's level, probably a notch lower, but enough nonetheless. That's debatable. Emma has mind controlled Beast and Wolverine at the same time under Wheedon. Again not sure how this was possible since both are psi-resistant when berserk - way to read the material Wheedon.

Originally posted by riceroost
Nope, only Super TK Bets could stand a chance. A ll other versions of Betsy would be meat.
Excellent point. Sabretooth has put Betsy on death's door. If not for Wolverine getting the Crimson Dawn mess Betsy would be wormfood. I dont see how she could do better against Wolverine.
Bwahahahahahaha!!! please do not attempt to compare Betsy's telepathy to that of Caassandra Nova. That is just rediculous. She is supposed to be Xavier level.

And guess what? Wolverine has blocked Cassandra Nova's telepathy by falling back on his animal instincts, as written by Grant Morrison. Cassandra turning him into a 6 year old could be called a mistake by Wheedon as he's already proved he can block her TP. Wolverine has a high resistance to telepathy. When Betsy was first turned into Ninja Psylocke she tried to use her TP to anticipate Wolverine's fighting style, but she FAILED. Wolverine says telepathy can't help you anticipate the moves of someone to whom thought and action are one and the same. Wolverine had her on the ropes.
Wolverine had Pslocke dead to rights when she was Lady Mandarin and later in X-Men Annual # 1 he had her at his mercy again during a Danger Room session, pinning the psi-knife to the floor.
That's debatable. Emma has mind controlled Beast and Wolverine at the same time under Wheedon. Again not sure how this was possible since both are psi-resistant when berserk - way to read the material Wheedon. He has never blocked Nova's telepathy. It's called a bluff. Beast was reverted intentionally to a bestial form by Nova, to which she can mask her presence. The first appearance of Emma Frost Wolverine is downed by psiblasts.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well considering her powers do you think she has what it takes to keep Logan down with the best of her abilities as according to the forum rules? She has been shown to be pretty powerful.

again depends on WHICH versions.. most powerful win. sure.

less powerful? no...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
jinzin knows I luvs him.

Again, Wolverine is only resistant to telepathic mind reading. He has no defense against stuff like psi-blasts.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He has never blocked Nova's telepathy. It's called a bluff. Beast was reverted intentionally to a bestial form by Nova, to which she can mask her presence. The first appearance of Emma Frost Wolverine is downed by psiblasts.

Don't forget HoM

Emma put him down then too...

As for Psylockes telepathy...Classic Betsy kind of put him down in one of the UXM #210's...

Wolverine and Psylocke #1
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But there have been so many incidents where she's botched up and couldn't break through Psi-Shields..i.e. Havok, Sabertooth(While using Cerebro), Wolverine(Once), Some soldier...she couldn't break through the morlocks tunnels psi shielding...while using Cerebro.

Wolverine and Psylocke #2
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Some Enforcers and Psylocke
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There's also the incident where the Shadow King Kicked her butt around the astral plane...she eventually got lucky and captalized on the shadow Kings arrogance(He left his nexus unguarded..the most basic rule of astral fights)...


Psylocke vs Shadow King

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Other then that Psylocke was what people would call a decent telepath...while she was never a telepath to shout about...she did have her own unique talents...

i.e. Her telepathy manifested more on the physical realm then the mental one..hence the reason why it was so easy to manifest a psi-blade when she was focused...

Her Psycho-blaster worked on the physical realm as well..scrammbling neurons through physical means..... that's how she was able to do this

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2912/uncannyxmen21813gy4.th.jpg

Also Psi-Blade Betsy(With her telepathy Weakened when she switched bodies.. damn you Claremont) has put down Wolvey too by sticking the blade is his head...

Wolverine vs Psylocke #3

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If Betsy shuts down his subconsicous reflexes she wins...any decent telepath wins like that...


BTW Emma and Nova are skilled enough to down both Wolverine and Beast...they are resistance to probes...but brain functions is a totally different issue..they've been downed by this technique before..same with a Psi-blast..

Originally posted by jinzin
fair enough..

so then again.. not all versions win.

Perhaps I should've clarified. All versions of Psylocke (when she was introduced to the X-Men) win this match. Not the very first Captain Britain introduction of her.

Her classic telepathy could easily put down Wolverine, since it easily put down a powerful Classic Rogue. And now current Psylocke also destroys him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Again, Wolverine is only resistant to telepathic mind reading. He has no defense against stuff like psi-blasts.

Exactly. But they'll keep saying he can shrug off an Xavier psi-blast.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. But they'll keep saying he can shrug off an Xavier psi-blast.

Suuuure he can...

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Pwnd.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
As for Psylockes telepathy...Classic Betsy kind of put him down in one of the UXM #210's...
Wolverine and Psylocke #1
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7852/uncannyxmen21409mu5.th.jpgHe was only testing her obviously and he shrugs off a Psi-Blast and is perfectly normal afterwards. This is also Wolverine right after the first Deathstrike Fight and they mention during the Massacre that he is in a weakened state. So much for those who say he can't take a psi-blast. He got up even quicker than a healthy Sabretooth did. And she didn't even give Tooth a full powered blast.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wolverine and Psylocke #2
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Thank You, blatantly no sells Betsy's TP and knocks her out.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Also Psi-Blade Betsy(With her telepathy Weakened when she switched bodies.. damn you Claremont) has put down Wolvey too by sticking the blade is his head...

Wolverine vs Psylocke #3

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5204/uxm257page22gu6.th.jpg]Lets keep in mind Wolverine was dying in this very issue. This is right after the Reavers torture where Wolverine's healing ability was all but non-existant, making him a mere shadow of what he was. He is still able to keep Betsy from predicting his moves, and he has her on the ropes. The only reason Betsy won this fight was because Wolverine was in shock after seeing her face, leaving him wide open to attack. Without the "Holy Shit" reaction from Wolverine she might be dead.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
BTW Emma and Nova are skilled enough to down both Wolverine and Beast...they are resistance to probes...but brain functions is a totally different issue..they've been downed by this technique before..same with a Psi-blast. If Nova could just take those 2 down why didn't she do it instead of relying on the mind-controlled students?
Emma took those 2 down when they weren't fighting her and it is in direct opposition to what Morrison stated, which is what Wheedon was supposed to be basing his run off of. So this point is a toss-up right now.

Psyllck wins.