Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

the two "men" ... versus the nearly unstoppable Juggernaut Cain Marko

all weapons from Iron Man will be allowed...

Simon... at his best

who wins ?

These 2 are getting stomped

isnt Arsenal comparable to Juggernaut ?
and if i am right.... hasnt Iron Man stopped Arsenal by his own ?
(i could be wrong)

and Wonderman has stopped the Abomination...

so these two has their chances .. with all the genius of Stark...
to STOP... the (nearly) unstoppable...

sorry Juggernaut66666.... my nice dude

it is senseless to put classic juggs in a phisical fight since he can't be beaten phisically

why not Juggs ?

and by the way.. this ISNT alone a physically matchup

dont forget de blasts of Iron Man

i canNOT imagine.. that Juggernaut cant be matched down..... to his nees.... so that he cannot stand up.... if the power who acts on his body... is so strong.. so heavy.. that even a Classic Juggernaut.. has to quit...

Classic Juggs cannot be taken down in anny way by these two. Betagueze is there BFR?lol

cain

Originally posted by Betageuze
isnt Arsenal comparable to Juggernaut ?
and if i am right.... hasnt Iron Man stopped Arsenal by his own ?
(i could be wrong)

and Wonderman has stopped the Abomination...

so these two has their chances .. with all the genius of Stark...
to STOP... the (nearly) unstoppable...

sorry Juggernaut66666.... my nice dude

Juggernaut wins.

Nimrod took Jugs down with sonics. Tony can replicate that feat. ermm

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Nimrod took Jugs down with sonics. Tony can replicate that feat. ermm

It wasn't a sonic attack. Nimrod shut down Juggernauts brain functions to his limbs, effectively paralyzing him.

cain

Cain

Originally posted by Betageuze
all weapons from Iron Man will be allowed...
Accellerationware + the Thorbuster + Tony animating the Hulkbuster via extremis + all of Tony's standard gadgets vs. Juggy - would be a hell of a fight, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Accellerationware + the Thorbuster + Tony animating the Hulkbuster via extremis + all of Tony's standard gadgets vs. Juggy - would be a hell of a fight, imo.

Agreed.

Sounds good Galan

3 members of Alpha Flight (including Sasquatch) wearing Hulkbuster armor could barely handle a depowered Juggernaut. Juggernaut at classic levels would destroy Stark in ANY armor.

Juggs in a stomp.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Juggs in a stomp.


False.



ThorForce

Juggernaut has laughed off a being struck by lighting from Thor and was hurt by a Godforce blast.

Originally posted by golem370
Juggernaut has laughed off a being struck by lighting from Thor and was hurt by a Godforce blast.


This isn't about thor, read the title

But if it was thor easily beats juggernaut.

Hasn't happen yet the best he could do was bfr Juggernaut. My point is they're nothing in their arsenal to bring down Juggs

Oh, ya juggernaut does win here. I thought you were saying Thor was nothing to juggs.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
3 members of Alpha Flight (including Sasquatch) wearing Hulkbuster armor could barely handle a depowered Juggernaut. Juggernaut at classic levels would destroy Stark in ANY armor. Did they have the upgraded WWH-buster armor, which is obviously much more powerful than previous models? Also, the new Hulkbuster is simply a modular armor which Tony can secondarily animate whilst fighting Juggy in the magical Thorbuster .

Did they have accelerationware, which allows for movement ahead of the normal timestream, in a Zoom-esque fashion?

Did they use the armor's gadgets wisely ? It worked well for Nimrod, afterall.


All the above variables lead me to believe this would be an extremely good fight.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
3 members of Alpha Flight (including Sasquatch) wearing Hulkbuster armor could barely handle a depowered Juggernaut. Juggernaut at classic levels would destroy Stark in ANY armor.

Three Alpha Flight members using outdated Hulk-buster armor is not the same as Tony Stark using an upgraded (WWH) version of his own armor.

He has much better reaction times, FAR superior knowledge, and the ability to command numerous additional armor's.

With all this tech at his disposal, he can find a way to make it a fight.

That being said, I don't think he wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
Did they have the upgraded WWH-buster armor, which is obviously much more powerful than previous models? Also, the new Hulkbuster is simply a modular armor which Tony can secondarily animate whilst fighting Juggy in the magical Thorbuster ].

Did they have accelerationware, which allows for movement ahead of the normal timestream, in a Zoom-esque fashion?

Did they use the armor's gadgets wisely ? It worked well for Nimrod, afterall.


All the above variables lead me to believe this would be an extremely good fight.

No way.

Originally posted by ThorForce
No way. Didn't say Tony won, but it was a good fight.

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't say Tony won, but it was a good fight.

O. Ok your safe police

Unless Tony has Thorbuster armour, which has an Asgardian magic power source,Juggernaut destroys the team

In my assessment that Juggernaut handled 3 members of Alpha Flight in Hulkbuster armor, I did say DEPOWERED Juggernaut. This is Juggernaut at classic or current levels. The duo goes down.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
In my assessment that Juggernaut handled 3 members of Alpha Flight in Hulkbuster armor, I did say DEPOWERED Juggernaut. This is Juggernaut at classic or current levels. The duo goes down. I understood that. I was just making sure you knew Tony wouldn't be fighting Juggs in outdated armor. He has many more options to choose from.

Ok, fair enough. Being that the thread starter didn't add prep time for the duo it would be hard for Stark to come up with a sure fire counter for the Juggernaut in the middle of getting beaten severely.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Ok, fair enough. Being that the thread starter didn't add prep time for the duo it would be hard for Stark to come up with a sure fire counter for the Juggernaut in the middle of getting beaten severely. But the thread starter did say:Originally posted by Betageuze
all weapons from Iron Man will be allowed...

Every option I've given Tony here, are things he's already done on panel in some fashion. I'd also like to add that I never said who would win - just that it would be a very good battle, given the parameters of this thread. (and it would be)

Short of directing his armors to attach and BFR Juggernaut, the team doesn't have a chance. I think there's a reason why Wonderman has been absent from the last dozen posts. :P

FWIW, Thor's Godblast merely overcame Juggernaut's Unstoppability (like War did), but there was no sign that it actually hurt him. I think even the narration supports that.

WWH-buster Iron Man failed fairly spectacularly against the real deal (wasn't his big plan to talk Bruce down and failing that to survive long enough to use the nano-bots and hope the army could bring him down?). After all of the delays in getting to Prof X WWHulk became quite brutal with the X-Men and prolly much stronger than when he faced Tony, and even then he was beginning to face a losing battle against the Juggernaut and had to resort to a BFR.

As many times as Juggernaut's gone up against the X-Men, notably Banshee & Siryn, you'd think that if sonic assaults were really viable they'd have hit upon it by now, considering the various effects they've used their powers for. Has anything other than the future tech Nimrod managed to do it?

Short of BFR, I don't think the team stands a chance aside from getting used as exercise for Juggernaut's re-covered bad attitude.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It wasn't a sonic attack. Nimrod shut down Juggernauts brain functions to his limbs, effectively paralyzing him.

No, it was a sonic attack.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Short of BFR, I don't think the team stands a chance aside from getting used as exercise for Juggernaut's re-covered bad attitude. Think about it.

Tony could be fighting Juggs in the Thorbuster, while having the WWH-buster simultaneously attacking him via the extremis.

Remember, they'd also be moving in a completely different time-frame than Juggs via accelerationware. So the chances of Tony losing to any kind of physical assault would be slim to none .

Now couple those methods with a bombardment of techie attacks , and....


Am I giving Tony the win? Nah. It's just not the shit stomp a lot of people think it is, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Am I giving Tony the win? Nah. It's just not the shit stomp a lot of people think it is, imo.

Truth. I like Juggernaut and the fact that he's meant to come into a character's book and take their best without even needing to stretch but on the other hand you're right about him actually landing a hit on the armors.

Hmmm, aside from remebering how to do energy attacks again, a thunderclap (which he's only done once AFAIK to down GenX) or perhaps expanding his forcefield ala THOR #411 what are the odds of him winning?

If he can walk against Jean's TK while airborne, then he could probably walk against any attempt at BFR. Stalemate perhaps until Tony runs out of juice and Wonderman is finally brought off the bench?

Originally posted by lft4ded
Truth. I like Juggernaut and the fact that he's meant to come into a character's book and take their best without even needing to stretch but on the other hand you're right about him actually landing a hit on the armors.

Hmmm, aside from remebering how to do energy attacks again, a thunderclap (which he's only done once AFAIK to down GenX) or perhaps expanding his forcefield ala THOR #411 what are the odds of him winning?

If he can walk against Jean's TK while airborne, then he could probably walk against any attempt at BFR. Or Tony just redirects Juggy's momentum like WWH did for teh BFR-win!!

Originally posted by lft4ded
Stalemate perhaps until Tony runs out of juice and Wonderman is finally brought off the bench?

Not commenting on actual fight but why do people always assume Juggy can be so easily bfr'd... he is jsut as likely to bfr them save certain beings with mystic based attacks (such as Dr. Strange)

Originally posted by Scoobless
No, it was a sonic attack.

Nope.

Originally posted by Scoobless
.....sonic attack.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Nope.


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9900/nimrodjuggernaut3fh9.th.jpg

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Not commenting on actual fight but why do people always assume Juggy can be so easily bfr'd... he is jsut as likely to bfr them save certain beings with mystic based attacks (such as Dr. Strange) I don't think anyone has said it's 'easy' to BFR Juggs - but it is a possibility .

As for Juggs doing any kind of BFR here, it wouldn't happen .

The Unstoppable Juggernaut *****!

Originally posted by Scoobless
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9900/nimrodjuggernaut3fh9.th.jpg

Granted, Nimrod knocked off Jugg's helmet, then used sonics.

But he knocked it off with ease:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/261/j1wa8.th.jpg

Read the rest. That's not what put Juggernaut down. Nimrod paralyzed him by shutting the nerve impulses off.