* my first reaction was - "what on earth are you talking about, girl?" i was hoping you would somewhat refute my posts and we'll have a friendly discussion about this but your posts seems way out of line...
* but nevertheless, i will still prove according to the Bible that your accusations to Saint Paul are false and ridiculous...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul the TRUE founder of orthodox Christianity.
* from the rootword itself, the founder of Christianity is Christ Jesus...
"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that even for a whole year they were gathered together with the church, and taught much people, and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The Acts 11:26
* and those Christians are the disciples/followers of Christ, including the apostles...
* the owner of the Christian Church is the Father...
"And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
Matthew 16:18
* eventhough it was Christ who said that He built the Church, it is the Father who built it because when Christ is speaking of power and authority...
"For I spake not from myself; but the Father that sent me, he hath given me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."
John 12:49
* is there any other proof that tellls us that the owner of the Church is the Father?
"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."
I Timothy 3:15
* the Church is also called the House of God and vice-versa...
"For every house is builded by some one; but he that built all things is God."
Hebrews 3:4
"And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
Matthew 6:13
"Thine, O Lord is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all.
Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all."
I Chronicles 29:11-12
* so, according to the Bible, Christ is the founder of Christianity and the Father is the owner of the Church...
Originally posted by debbiejo
His writings predated the Gospels. Paul laid down the basic doctrine. He copied more ascetic Gnostic sects of his time.
* not all epistles of Saint Paul pre-dated the Gospels, Saint Paul wrote some about 55 AD onwards, whilst Saint Mark's was about 60 AD, Saint Luke's was around 56 AD and according to some Bible Scholars, Saint Matthew's was about 41 AD...
* you need to give proofs with regards to what Saint Paul had "copied" from the Gnostics...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Pauls Church was entirely patriarchal, women were forbidden to teach or preach in it..
* or is it?
"But I commend to you Phoebe, our sister, who is minister of the assembly which is in Cenchrea;"
The Romans 16:1
* Phoebe, obviously a female, is a minister in Cenchrea...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul also laid the guilt of original sin on woman alone, absolving man from responsibility. Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was the transgressor.
* that's not what Saint Paul was saying...
"And Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:"
I Timothy 2:14
* the woman being deceived had fallen into transgression... Saint Paul did NOT said that Eve was the transgressor... the blame was not on Eve because she was obviously deceived, the blame was on...
"Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--"
The Romans 5:12
* the blame was on Adam...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Pauls antipathy toward women and sexuality, since women were unclean leads to a suspicion that his esoteric doctrine was linked with the early Christian practice of voluntary castration. Rome revered the self-castrated god Attis and Paul was an earnest admirer of Roman culture as shown by the fact that he Romanized his name, changing it from Saul to Paul. Roman Christians later used self castration as an automatic ticket to heaven in the manner of Attis's priests. Paul suggested that he was among the divinely favored eunuchs. . He scorned the "natural" unmutilated man for his lack of spirituality. 1 Cor. 2:14. You had to lack a penis. In Gal. he said "I would they were even cut off which that trouble you" The word rendered "cut off" also meant "castrated:.
* i think, you misunderstood what the second chapter of Galatians...
"My companion Titus, even though he is Greek, was not forced to be circumcised,"
Galatians 2:3
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul found the divine law of reproduction outdated because it brought forth "fruit unto death"...ie., more life doomed to die. The carnal mind or minding of the flesh is enmity against God. so, then the flesh cannot please God. Rom. 8:7-13.
* Saint Paul did NOT say that the flesh cannot please God... what he said is this...
"And they that are in the flesh cannot please God."
The Romans 8:8
* plus, in the epistle of Romans itself, Saint Paul preaches this...
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service."
The Romans 12:1
* the Christians are commanded to present their bodies as a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God by which is their spiritual service...
