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Does Heaven truly have Gates? If so....why ?

What's the point ? A spiritual realm can have Gates? And why would it ? Is God really that discriminatory, that he only wants some of his Children to live with him, while the rest dwell elsewhere ?

Who is God trying to keep out, and why?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Does Heaven truly have Gates? If so....why ?

What's the point ? A spiritual realm can have Gates? And why would it ? Is God really that discriminatory, that he only wants some of his Children to live with him, while the rest dwell elsewhere ?

Who is God trying to keep out, and why?

(Sorry Ali, I just had to use your quintet here.)

Uri, you are amusing. You spout off about how the Bible should not be taken literally and then you ask if it is literal.

Originally posted by Regret
(Sorry Ali, I just had to use your quintet here.)

Uri, you are amusing. You spout off about how the Bible should not be taken literally and then you ask if it is literal.


Exxxxxxxactly, he frequently makes comments about God and the Bible but then in the next breath says that they do not exist. Schizo? Why do people who don't even believe in the Bible or God regularly make statements presupposing that God exists and that the Bible is true? Lastly, why do people who don't know the Bible always talk about it and quote from it? Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country. Why do people ask questions about something that they don't believe exists? I know evolution is false so I don't ask questions about it except to make those proponents of it hem and haw over its enormous flaws and holes.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Exxxxxxxactly, he frequently makes comments about God and the Bible but then in the next breath says that they do not exist. Schizo? Why do people who don't even believe in the Bible or God regularly make statements presupposing that God exists and that the Bible is true? Lastly, why do people who don't know the Bible always talk about it and quote from it? Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country. Why do people ask questions about something that they don't believe exists? I know evolution is false so I don't ask questions about it except to make those proponents of it hem and haw over its enormous flaws and holes.

The reason people, who do not believe in the bible, ask questions about it, is to make those proponents of it, hem and haw over its enormous flaws and holes. You answered your own question.

I don't know...do fictional places exist?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Exxxxxxxactly, he frequently makes comments about God and the Bible but then in the next breath says that they do not exist. Schizo? Why do people who don't even believe in the Bible or God regularly make statements presupposing that God exists and that the Bible is true? Lastly, why do people who don't know the Bible always talk about it and quote from it? Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country. Why do people ask questions about something that they don't believe exists? I know evolution is false so I don't ask questions about it except to make those proponents of it hem and haw over its enormous flaws and holes.


That's what kills me about you Jesus... You claim to have direct knowledge of what heaven/the afterlife is i.e. "Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country." that is being very specific and detailed about someplace you have never been nor do you have a shred of physical proof. Yet there is an abundance of physical proof for evolution and you dismiss it like it was garbage.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's what kills me about you Jesus... You claim to have direct knowledge of what heaven/the afterlife is i.e. "Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country." that is being very specific and detailed about someplace you have never been nor do you have a shred of physical proof. Yet there is an abundance of physical proof for evolution and you dismiss it like it was garbage.

I am not Jesus. Now, have you read my recent posts in the Creation vs Evolution thread that I posted today? No? I didn't think so. But a true scholar does some investigative research and inquiry before making comments. Remember the old adage: think before you speak, gather all the facts on an issue then open thy mouth in response. Nah, that wasn't an old adage, it's just something that I made up (it sounded real good though right?). Evolution does not have any "facts" because it is not true. Just read the posts Rob.

oh no no no no!!!!

Why DONT you get it in your head that some people believe in Evolution, while others dont.
And dont go saying that those who believe in evolution dont believe in god. I believe in both....... god let the world grow at its own rate, he gives the power to cells to change and become plants and animals. Its soooo easy , when you use your brain, to see the connection.

But back to the topic. There are no actual gates of heaven. Those so called gates are decided by what you do with your life. These are figurative articles of speech. Its just some other way of scaring people.

Originally posted by "JesusIsAlive"
I am not Jesus. Now, have you read my recent posts in the Creation vs Evolution thread that I posted today? No? Because I didn't read yours.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not Jesus. Now, have you read my recent posts in the Creation vs Evolution thread that I posted today? No? I didn't think so. But a true scholar does some investigative research and inquiry before making comments. Remember the old adage: think before you speak, gather all the facts on an issue then open thy mouth in response. Nah, that wasn't an old adage, it's just something that I made up (it sounded real good though right?). Evolution does not have any "facts" because it is not true. Just read the posts Rob.

Evolution is observed fact. Period. You are an insult to intellecualism and to accuse people of not using proper investigative techniques is hypocrasy on the highest level.

touche

no kidding right...

JIA wont respond though...she never does.

JIA is a girl now?

No. "Allegedly" he's a he.

Originally posted by fini
JIA is a girl now?

Fini, that is a nice name. Anyhoo, Fini he is just trying to get me to respond to him. I have not spoken to him since July or August.

If that. Usually, people who are social and or intelligent engage in discussion...something you have a consistant problem with.

Thats the point of this forum. I honestly think that you just can't compete.

I'm a guy NOW???? wayyyyyyyyyyy that keeps happening
* fini looks down at her 38D breasts......... hey girls guess they cant see you huh!!!!


AND NO I was not trying to get you to answer me, I saw someone say you were a girl, so I asked, sheesh.

SHEESH!

Originally posted by fini
I'm a guy NOW???? wayyyyyyyyyyy that keeps happening
* fini looks down at her 38D breasts......... hey girls guess they cant see you huh!!!!


AND NO I was not trying to get you to answer me, I saw someone say you were a girl, so I asked, sheesh.

Uh...Fini...um...I was talking about Alliance trying to get me to respond to him. I wasn't even talking about you at all. Don't mean to embarrass you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Uh...Fini...um...I was talking about Alliance trying to get me to respond to him. I wasn't even talking about you at all. Don't mean to embarrass you.

Originally posted by Alliance
SHEESH!

I like sheesh on crackers.

sheesh?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not Jesus. Now, have you read my recent posts in the Creation vs Evolution thread that I posted today? No? I didn't think so. But a true scholar does some investigative research and inquiry before making comments. Remember the old adage: think before you speak, gather all the facts on an issue then open thy mouth in response. Nah, that wasn't an old adage, it's just something that I made up (it sounded real good though right?). Evolution does not have any "facts" because it is not true. Just read the posts Rob.

I wasn't implying you were Jesus, you take the liberty of calling me "Rob", "Rob-Tard" and "Robbie", so I took the liberty of changing your name a little. Deal with it chisel-chest.

Come on now champ, you make it way too easy to point out your fallacies... Don't you find it being just down right hypocritical and asinine for you to say "a true scholar does some investigative research and inquiry before making comments" and "think before you speak, gather all the facts on an issue then open thy mouth in response."? Remember, and this is VERY important in reference to my above question, you yourself have said that you are simply biased and refuse to listen to anything (i.e. Evolution) that contradicts the Bible as you interpret it.

AND, Evolution does have facts, and proof. I can take you to the Museum of Natural History and pummel you over the head with a 300k year old smilodon femur you goon.

Well, God has to be wicked old by now, so I always just figured he wanted to live in a "gated" community like all those old folks down in Florida.

Originally posted by fini
I'm a guy NOW???? wayyyyyyyyyyy that keeps happening
* fini looks down at her 38D breasts......... hey girls guess they cant see you huh!!!!


Good Lord, 38D's! Maybe there is a God...

Originally posted by Robtard
I wasn't implying you were Jesus, you take the liberty of calling me "Rob", "Rob-Tard" and "Robbie", so I took the liberty of changing your name a little. Deal with it chisel-chest.

Come on now champ, you make it way too easy to point out your fallacies... Don't you find it being just down right hypocritical and asinine for you to say "a true scholar does some investigative research and inquiry before making comments" and "think before you speak, gather all the facts on an issue then open thy mouth in response."? Remember, and this is VERY important in reference to my above question, you yourself have said that you are simply biased and refuse to listen to anything (i.e. Evolution) that contradicts the Bible as you interpret it.

AND, Evolution does have facts, and proof. I can take you to the Museum of Natural History and pummel you over the head with a 300k year old smilodon femur you goon.

That was nice how you side-stepped my question. I take that as a no? No, you did not read the articles that I posted?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That was nice how you side-stepped my question. I take that as a no? No, you did not read the articles that I posted?

Wasn't a side step bucky, since I had no idea you posted new info in the 'Evolutuon Vs. Creation' thread today until you told me. Duh...

I did go read them (after you made me aware of their presense), not all, they are full of lies and half truths, then again, it is from Chic.com a known liar.

Now, will you answer my questions that you "side-stepped" with this post? Hint, it is four post above this one.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wasn't a side step bucky,since i had no idea you posted in the Evolutuon Vs. Creation thread today until you told me. Duh...

I did go read them, not all, they are full of lies and half truths, then again, it is from Chic.com a known liar.

Now, will you answer my questions that you "side-stepped" with this post? Hint, it is four post above this one.

I have read all that I need to read about evolution. Here is my conclusion: it did not occur, couldn't have transpired, and to put it bluntly--did not happen. That is just all there is to it (literally).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have read all that I need to read about evolution. Here is my conclusion: it did not occur, couldn't have transpired, and to put it bluntly--did not happen. That is just all there is to it (literally).

A) You sidestepped my question, yet again...

B) You refuse to read something that favors my points of view but if I do not read somethings that favors your points of view, you accuse me of not 'being a true scholar' and 'speaking before I think.' Real nice.

You Sir, are hypocrisy incarnate.

Originally posted by Robtard
Good Lord, 38D's! Maybe there is a God...

lol they aint all they cracked up to be, they heavy and quite annoying at times. lol.
I wonder if fake ones are this heavy?

Originally posted by Robtard
A) You sidestepped my question, yet again...

B) You refuse to read something that favors my points of view but if I do not read somethings that favors your points of view, you accuse me of not "being a true scholar" and "speaking before I think."

You Sir, are hypocrisy incarnate.

Read what? You have not offered any links or articles.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Read what? You have not offered any links or articles.

That was yet another greasy anal-lube weasel maneuver...

Originally posted by Robtard
That was yet another greasy anal-lube weasel maneuver...

You know what Rob. forget it then, cause I don't know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You know what Rob. forget it then, cause I don't know what you are talking about.

You got it Jesus (not of Nazareth)! Even feigned ignorance is bliss.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Does Heaven truly have Gates? If so....why ?

What's the point ? A spiritual realm can have Gates? And why would it ? Is God really that discriminatory, that he only wants some of his Children to live with him, while the rest dwell elsewhere ?

Who is God trying to keep out, and why?
I've always honestly pictured heaven to have gates. Not like gates where Jesus stands on the other end and says "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" but pearly white gates where everyone you've Loved that has passed on before you greets you at, as well as with Jesus and they all warmly welcome you to heaven. That's just my theory though. It gives me the warm fuzzies.

Robtard, just give up. He's not going to listen.

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
I've always honestly pictured heaven to have gates. Not like gates where Jesus stands on the other end and says "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" but pearly white gates where everyone you've Loved that has passed on before you greets you at, as well as with Jesus and they all warmly welcome you to heaven. That's just my theory though. It gives me the warm fuzzies.

Sniffle...sniffle...me too.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Robtard, just give up. He's not going to listen.

He can act like he doesn't, but deep down inside, when he's curled up in the fetal position, biting on his soft fluffy pillow at night... He knows...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Sniffle...sniffle...me too.
w00t

Originally posted by Robtard
He can act like he doesn't, but deep down inside, when he's curled up in the fetal position, biting on his soft fluffy pillow at night... He knows...

Nice. Now youre going to get a bible verse on the fetal position being holy.

Originally posted by Robtard
I wasn't implying you were Jesus, you take the liberty of calling me "Rob", "Rob-Tard" and "Robbie", so I took the liberty of changing your name a little. Deal with it chisel-chest.

Come on now champ, you make it way too easy to point out your fallacies... Don't you find it being just down right hypocritical and asinine for you to say "a true scholar does some investigative research and inquiry before making comments" and "think before you speak, gather all the facts on an issue then open thy mouth in response."? Remember, and this is VERY important in reference to my above question, you yourself have said that you are simply biased and refuse to listen to anything (i.e. Evolution) that contradicts the Bible as you interpret it.

AND, Evolution does have facts, and proof. I can take you to the Museum of Natural History and pummel you over the head with a 300k year old smilodon femur you goon.

Rob., here is your post. This is the post that you said was four posts up right? You have not provided any links or articles for my perusal. So, again, I don't know what you are talking about.

IF this is gonna be yet another thread bout creation and Evolution, THEN someone MOVE THIS PLEASE.

Originally posted by Robtard
He can act like he doesn't, but deep down inside, when he's curled up in the fetal position, biting on his soft fluffy pillow at night... He knows...

Thanks a lot! That image has now burned a hole in my head.

Originally posted by Robtard
He can act like he doesn't, but deep down inside, when he's curled up in the fetal position, biting on his soft fluffy pillow at night... He knows...

Man, that was a very graphically, vivid description of something that has never once occurred to me Rob. Man I might have nightmares now that you brought up the whole idea. How could you think up such....gasp! Rob...are you speaking from personal experience!?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Man, that was a very graphically, vivid description of something that has never once occurred to me Rob. Man I might have nightmares now that you brought up the whole idea. How could you think up such....gasp! Rob...are you speaking from personal experience!?

Dude, at least have a wittier comeback than 'I know you are, but what am I.' But at least we both agree that the mental imagine of you curled up in the fetal position biting on pillows is nightmarish.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Does Heaven truly have Gates? If so....why ?

What's the point ? A spiritual realm can have Gates? And why would it ? Is God really that discriminatory, that he only wants some of his Children to live with him, while the rest dwell elsewhere ?

Who is God trying to keep out, and why?
You know, it might be there for decor. Or it might be there symbolically.

Either way, God isn't trying to keep anyone out; He is keeping out those who have not been asked forgiveness.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, at least have a wittier comeback than 'I know you are, but what am I.' But at least we both agree that the mental imagine of you curled up in the fetal position biting on pillows is nightmarish.

It is just that I have NEVER once thought about curling up on the floor in a fetal position biting a pillow. How could you imagine something like that? Man, I don't think I am ever going to be the same again. I am scarred for life.

cry

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is just that I have NEVER once thought about curling up on the floor in a fetal position biting a pillow. How could you imagine something like that? Man, I don't think I am ever going to be the same again. I am scarred for life.

cry



Sure you could, I never said "on the floor", you imagined that all by yourself.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure you could, I never said "on the floor", you imagined that all by yourself.

Still the whole biting pillows and curling up in fetal positions was ALL you dog.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Exxxxxxxactly, he frequently makes comments about God and the Bible but then in the next breath says that they do not exist. Schizo? Why do people who don't even believe in the Bible or God regularly make statements presupposing that God exists and that the Bible is true? Lastly, why do people who don't know the Bible always talk about it and quote from it? Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country. Why do people ask questions about something that they don't believe exists? I know evolution is false so I don't ask questions about it except to make those proponents of it hem and haw over its enormous flaws and holes.


You obviously don't get the point...as always...so let me explain in words you may understand.....

Obviously, I do not beleive in any of it...i do not beleive in your Heaven or Hell, or your version of God...

However, if I am to argue certain aspects of your cult, or indulge a curiousity, then I must ask the question...and I must ask it as IF I beleive it may exist...

If I am to argue anything about what you beleive, I must have some sort of knowledge about it, rather than to just deny it all together....unlike you who argue about other things without getting to know them ne better.

I open my mind....Heaven may or may not exist, but if it does, I'd like to know what it's like, and why it would have Gates...the Bible mentions the Gates of Heaven, so for you to deny thier existance is hypocritical and stupid...as you always are, so it comes to no surprise

Originally posted by FeceMan
You know, it might be there for decor. Or it might be there symbolically.

Either way, God isn't trying to keep anyone out; He is keeping out those who have not been asked forgiveness.

So that Gates have thier function then ? Hmm...interesting...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Man, that was a very graphically, vivid description of something that has never once occurred to me Rob. Man I might have nightmares now that you brought up the whole idea. How could you think up such....gasp! Rob...are you speaking from personal experience!?

Ha HA How Funny ! JIA made a funny !

droolio

Ah the Pearly Gates....Our entrance to heaven. HAHA...another early christian sect borrowing from the cult of Aphrodite Marina, or the Sea mother Mari (Mary??), to whom pearls were sacred. Her own body was the Gate of Heaven, like the Jade Gate of the Chinese Goddess, through which all had to pass at birth and again at death. ..The Goddess appeared in the guise of the moon, she was called Pearl of the Sea, or Pearl of Wisdom. Her seven high priestesses were the Seven Pillars of Wisdom like Pleiades. Early Christian sects copied the pagans in claiming the the souls of the dead "mount up by the pillar of dawn to the sphere of the moon , and the moon receives them incessantly from the first to the middle of the month..so that it waxes and gets full, and then it guides them to the sun until the end of the month............

The Pearl has always been a symbol of wisdom...hence the parable "The Pearl of Great Wisdom."

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is just that I have NEVER once thought about curling up on the floor in a fetal position biting a pillow. How could you imagine something like that? Man, I don't think I am ever going to be the same again. I am scarred for life.

cry



Just once again showing your lack of interpretation/imagination?

Originally posted by FeceMan
droolio



droolio

Lord Urizen = Troll Extraordinaire

Originally posted by Lumanix
Lord Urizen = Troll Extraordinaire


I made this thread you idiot ...why don't you try answering the question ?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Well, God has to be wicked old by now, so I always just figured he wanted to live in a "gated" community like all those old folks down in Florida.



Well technically God, if he exists, would have to be a larger entity than even the imagination could imagine. Making one of his days a 1000 years our time. But then again to create life you must have some knowledge of a being so old that that too could not be imagined.

Originally posted by Zero25
Well technically God, if he exists, would have to be a larger entity than even the imagination could imagine. Making one of his days a 1000 years our time. But then again to create life you must have some knowledge of a being so old that that too could not be imagined.

Ok....

Originally posted by Zero25
Well technically God, if he exists, would have to be a larger entity than even the imagination could imagine. Making one of his days a 1000 years our time. But then again to create life you must have some knowledge of a being so old that that too could not be imagined.

What if he's so old, he forgot he created us ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What if he's so old, he forgot he created us ?

That could also be the case hence the scientific solution of evolution

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What if he's so old, he forgot he created us ?

Great. Now I have this image of Ozzy Osbourne as God...

"Sharron, Sharron, waz I ment to to be doin something today? Oh yeh, cre...ate man. Now whered I leave that dust... Sharron..."



So God forgets to create us so we simply evolve instead?

And so on.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Great. Now I have this image of Ozzy Osbourne as God...

"Sharron, Sharron, waz I ment to to be doin something today? Oh yeh, cre...ate man. Now whered I leave that dust... Sharron..."

And so on.

What if he manifests in our imagination!? so right know for me he could be gandolf!

GUESS PAGAN ROOTS DOESNT MATTER THEN.

NOT TO CHRISTIANS.

(because they "don't" exist)

Originally posted by debbiejo
GUESS PAGAN ROOTS DOESNT MATTER THEN.
OR FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING

NO, ITS REALLY "PAGAN"

A lot of things can relate to the bible, too though. For instance did you know that by using science they were able to locate the path that Moses uses for the exodus? Mount Sinai, The Reed Sea ( Not Red as previously thought) everything!

Originally posted by Zero25
A lot of things can relate to the bible, too though. For instance did you know that by using science they were able to locate the path that Moses uses for the exodus? Mount Sinai, The Reed Sea ( Not Red as previously thought) everything!

Well if one views the Bible as historical fiction, or the like then naturally it is set in the real world, it makes reference to real places. However this is different from finding proof that substantiates the events that are claimed to have taken place there.

Theoretically it is possible to find the most likely place the garden could have existed, but that doesn't mean they find proof of the garden. Same with Moses, the Ark etc. Saying "this is the location the Bible alluded to" does not in fact confirm the event because there has been nothing found at those sites to prove it.

A bit like people using the Da Vinci Code, expecting to find something beneath something or other - the places are real, but no sign of proof at them to prove the Da Vinci Code narrative.

AND WHY IS EVERYBODY TYPING IN CAPITALS?

BECAUSE DEBBIE MADE ME

Originally posted by debbiejo
GUESS PAGAN ROOTS DOESNT MATTER THEN.

Do dark roots matter? I think so...

I think Christianity is a rip-off. But if people ignor the fact, it has no effect on them.

Originally posted by Regret
Do dark roots matter? I think so...

Dark roots? I don't think the Pagan religions were dark in intellectual terms, or on the spectrum of colors...

Maybe I'm starting to deviate a little. Gates of Heaven: When my grandfather died while on the table (he was revived). His story to me was that he saw a tree in the background my dad and grandma in front of it. So maybe heaven is the manifestation of someones belief or desire of peace.

To die means you are dead. If he was revived, he wasn't dead...just getting there really fast.

All those NDEs are just your brain freaking out because it doesn't have oxygen. Many people expect to see things, so your brain makes stuff up.

Originally posted by Alliance
BECAUSE DEBBIE MADE ME

I was too lazy to take the CAPS off..............

And dark roots can be fixed at your local hair dresser....

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Dark roots? I don't think the Pagan religions were dark in intellectual terms, or on the spectrum of colors...

Was talking about blonds, and I like their dark roots droolio...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I made this thread you idiot ...why don't you try answering the question ? You can troll with threads idiot.

Originally posted by Lumanix
You can troll with threads idiot.

Maybe and maybe not..........Should I retell the story about the NDE of a boy who died and went to what he called animal heaven and had conversations with a bee??

Originally posted by debbiejo
Maybe and maybe not..........Should I retell the story about the NDE of a boy who died and went to what he called animal heaven and had conversations with a bee??

Ironically it wasn't much of a conversation "Work for the queen. Pretty flower pretty flower. Sting. @#$% Now I'm going to die."

You sorgot the orgasmic part about sipping nectar from the ovaries.

Originally posted by Alliance
You sorgot the orgasmic part about sipping nectar from the ovaries.

droolio Mmmm.....nectar.......

droolioMmmmm......OVARIES !

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass

Originally posted by JesusisAlive

Revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass


No Gates huh ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass


What I find odd, most descriptions of Heaven speak of human material wealth, i.e. pearls, gold, silver...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"...Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country...."


Remember I am a semanticist (hair-splitter). There is a difference between "Heaven" and the city (New Jerusalem) in Heaven. I said all that to reiterate this: there are gates that lead into the city of New Jerusalem but Heaven is like the country and New Jerusalem the city within the Kingdom of Heaven. So I do not believe that there are gates that lead into Heaven, they lead into New Jerusalem (the City of God).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Remember I am a semanticist (hair-splitter). There is a difference between "Heaven" and the city (New Jerusalem) in Heaven. I said all that to reiterate this: there are gates that lead into the city of New Jerusalem but Heaven is like the country and New Jerusalem the city within the Kingdom of Heaven. So I do not believe that there are gates that lead into Heaven, they lead into New Jerusalem (the City of God).

Who are you talking too?

Originally posted by Alliance
To die means you are dead. If he was revived, he wasn't dead...just getting there really fast.

All those NDEs are just your brain freaking out because it doesn't have oxygen. Many people expect to see things, so your brain makes stuff up.

To be dead means to have no pulse no nothing which is what he had so therfore he was... dead. Besides the surgery was a five bypass. He was left open for about an hour.

Originally posted by Zero25
To be dead means to have no pulse no nothing which is what he had so therfore he was... dead. Besides the surgery was a five bypass. He was left open for about an hour.

Sorry, but no. Lack of brain activity is what constitutes death.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Remember I am a semanticist (hair-splitter). There is a difference between "Heaven" and the city (New Jerusalem) in Heaven. I said all that to reiterate this: there are gates that lead into the city of New Jerusalem but Heaven is like the country and New Jerusalem the city within the Kingdom of Heaven. So I do not believe that there are gates that lead into Heaven, they lead into New Jerusalem (the City of God).

What is a gate though? A boundary, much like countries and counties and states have boundaries.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, but no. Lack of brain activity is what constitutes death.

Point taken. So in his NDE he still saw no gates to heaven.

Originally posted by Zero25
Point taken. So in his NDE he still saw no gates to heaven.

However, he wasn't dead. I'm not saying that there are gates to heaven, I don't believe in a heaven after death, But NDE are not credible evidence of a after life, because they didn't die.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, he wasn't dead. I'm not saying that there are gates to heaven, I don't believe in a heaven after death, But NDE are not credible evidence of a after life, because they didn't die.
It wouldn't be credible even if he died.

Originally posted by FeceMan
It wouldn't be credible even if he died.

True because you can't hear stories from a dead man.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, but no. Lack of brain activity is what constitutes death.

Not correct. The current medical definition is heart failure.

The brain death is the commonly accepted societal definition of death.

There is a serious movement to revise the medical definition though. The Schiavo case shed a lot of light on that debate.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not correct. The current medical definition is heart failure.

The brain death is the commonly accepted societal definition of death.

There is a serious movement to revise the medical definition though. The Schiavo case shed a lot of light on that debate.

Show proof please.

Ok, i was partially wrong (so were you). UDDA says that wich ever comes first works as the legal defenition.

wait brain dead...

doesn't that mean that people in a coma are technically dead...

no.

TOTAL loss of brain function.

so what exactly is your brain doing during a comma...

nto much, but there sitll is activity...includingthe reuglation of some, if not all, essential body systems.

However, I'm not a brain specialist.

oh... just wondering...

you can easily look it up.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not correct. The current medical definition is heart failure.

The brain death is the commonly accepted societal definition of death.

There is a serious movement to revise the medical definition though. The Schiavo case shed a lot of light on that debate.

Clinical Death is when the heart and lungs stop functioning...

Biological Death is when the Brain stops functioning....

See thats what I thought....but UDDA seems to disagree.

Maybe the law is to broad for the medical community and they use the defenitions that I gave earlier and Urizen jsut reapeated.

Originally posted by Alliance
See thats what I thought....but UDDA seems to disagree.

Maybe the law is to broad for the medical community and they use the defenitions that I gave earlier and Urizen jsut reapeated.

It's bullshit that they keep retconning medical standards, just like the keep retconning psychology, and the way the Bible has been retconned throughout its history...

We never will find the Truth, now will we ?

Thats because there is no truth and neither science nor medicine claims to be.

We should continuously reassess the situation to the best of our knowledge.

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats because there is no truth and neither science nor medicine claims to be.

We should continuously reassess the situation to the best of our knowledge.

Seems logical to me....

But so far no one has answered my question as to why God would forge Gates...

Does the question warrant an answer, or was it asked out of spite?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Seems logical to me....

But so far no one has answered my question as to why God would forge Gates...

Gates make a yard look nice and keep the riff raff out. The real question then is why wouldn't God forge gates? And electrify them while he's at it?

Originally posted by Alliance
Does the question warrant an answer, or was it asked out of spite?

A little bit of both to be honest...

It seems funny to me how God would even need Gates whether it be for Heaven or for the "new city" or whatever....

Now if it's just a metaphor, that's one thing...but if thier are literally Gates in a spiritual realm, that makes no sense to me...

At the same time, even if the new Jerusalem IS a physical realm, why are Gates needed ? Wouldn't those "sinners" already be in Hell ? Who would God be trying to cast out....or contain ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But so far no one has answered my question as to why God would forge Gates...
To show the dwarves how.

Duh.

Originally posted by FeceMan
To show the dwarves how.

Duh.

What about the Keebler Elves ?